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#10001 BullHead

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 18:24

Nice to hear Michael say he's still up for it. I hope he means it, and wasn't just pressured into saying as such. Actually, why would he be pressured into anything? He's MS FFS.

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#10002 britishtrident

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 18:52

Why Autosport needs to write "Schumacher denies...", instead simply Schumacher remains or continues, or "is not". Always that vitriolic tone. Is this something asspociated with Brits?


It is in no way vitriolic Schumacher is back tracking on the impression he gave in in his statements after Turkey.
The fact is given the form the guy has shown his chance of getting a podium without some kind of freak race similar to what occurred when Vittorio Brambilla won the 1975 Austrian GP are close to zero.

#10003 Sakae

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 20:12

It is in no way vitriolic Schumacher is back tracking on the impression he gave in in his statements after Turkey.
The fact is given the form the guy has shown his chance of getting a podium without some kind of freak race similar to what occurred when Vittorio Brambilla won the 1975 Austrian GP are close to zero.



What the hek are you talking about? Christ, this is unbeliveable.

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#10004 Muz Bee

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Posted 19 May 2011 - 21:07

Nice to hear Michael say he's still up for it. I hope he means it, and wasn't just pressured into saying as such. Actually, why would he be pressured into anything? He's MS FFS.

He was. I get the feeling he's now Ralf in disguise! :lol:
Oh well let's hope for a better weekend in Spain.....

#10005 F.M.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 19:54

No idea how long it exists already, but now in the Netherlands: Michael Schumacher Energy drink!

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Got 24 cans for 3.49 euro :p

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#10006 ivand911

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 19:56

Is it good? :p Lucky you.

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#10007 thrillercd

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 20:27

Is it good? :p Lucky you.


After drinking it does not give you wings but it makes you the Hulk :lol:

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#10008 BRG

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 20:59

Why Autosport needs to write "Schumacher denies...", instead simply Schumacher remains or continues, or "is not". Always that vitriolic tone. Is this something asspociated with Brits?

No, it just means that British journalists understand the English language better than you do.

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 21:14

He should get the hell out of F1, it's filled with backstabbing rats, and go race and win LeMans.

#10010 SpeedyS

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 22:54

Interesting interview in El Pais:
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Thanks. The question where he is losing time to NR. The translation is not great, does it mean he says he is losing time everywhere?

Q. According to the telemetry, where Rosberg lost time?

A. Last year it was in slow corners for my problem with the tires. With Pirelli, if you ask any Mercedes that I will respond quickly everywhere.





#10011 eoin

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Posted 20 May 2011 - 23:26

Thanks. The question where he is losing time to NR. The translation is not great, does it mean he says he is losing time everywhere?

Q. According to the telemetry, where Rosberg lost time?

A. Last year it was in slow corners for my problem with the tires. With Pirelli, if you ask any Mercedes that I will respond quickly everywhere.


No. He is saying that you can go ask anyone in Mercedes and they will tell you that he is fast everywhere.
Basically he doesn't have any major problem this year, unlike with slow corners last year, he just hasn't had much of a chance to put it together due to the wing problems in the few races and his mistake in Turkey.

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#10012 SpeedyS

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 00:03

No. He is saying that you can go ask anyone in Mercedes and they will tell you that he is fast everywhere.
Basically he doesn't have any major problem this year, unlike with slow corners last year, he just hasn't had much of a chance to put it together due to the wing problems in the few races and his mistake in Turkey.


Thanks :up:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 00:12

Oh dear, i know its only free practise but that 0.3s gap to Nico is there again.

Lets see what happens in about 12 hours time.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 00:52

Oh dear, i know its only free practise but that 0.3s gap to Nico is there again.

Lets see what happens in about 12 hours time.


Nah he avoided Massa and aborted his lap (after a slightly scrappy but not slower S1), then did the timed one the lap after with tyres worn more. There is nothing to say about a gap between them at this stage.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:04

Looks like they went back to the approach they tried out during practice at China, setting the car up with mostly heavy fuel loads, should be good for the race. Overall it still looks like it might be a difficult weekend for Michael again if he's struggling with the car, fingers crossed this isn't the case.

#10016 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:35

Nah he avoided Massa and aborted his lap (after a slightly scrappy but not slower S1), then did the timed one the lap after with tyres worn more. There is nothing to say about a gap between them at this stage.


Yeah I saw that in fp2, but i thought that gap was there on the longer runs across the sessions.

Anyway I'm watching fp3 and no representative laps there either (I hope!) not long to quali to find out for sure.

What ever happened to the at 1.20.2 Michael scored here in February eh? What I'd give to see one of those now.

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#10017 ivand911

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:44

Yeah I saw that in fp2, but i thought that gap was there on the longer runs across the sessions.

Anyway I'm watching fp3 and no representative laps there either (I hope!) not long to quali to find out for sure.

What ever happened to the at 1.20.2 Michael scored here in February eh? What I'd give to see one of those now.

It was 1:21.2 and I start to doubt he will do that again. So, they go backwards from the tests?


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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:45

It was 1:21.2 and I start to doubt he will do that again. So, they go backwards from the tests?

Q3 times will go into the 1:20s, if not 1:19s for the RBRs at least. I expect MGP to beat the testing times.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:47

Q3 times will go into the 1:20s, if not 1:19s for the RBRs at least. I expect MGP to beat the testing times.

Will see, MGP need two seconds?


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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:49

Q3 times will go into the 1:20s, if not 1:19s for the RBRs at least. I expect MGP to beat the testing times.


Highly doubt it. Testing times are faster as usual. Same as last year. The cars are faster in colder temperatures.

#10021 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:49

It was 1:21.2 and I start to doubt he will do that again. So, they go backwards from the tests?


Ooops! Brain fade!! That will teach me for not bothering to look it up.

I still haven't learnt these tyre compunds, but assume that was set on the softest Pirelli and these times are on the second softest (what was it Martin Brunle said, they go jam, butter, bread knife?) These are the yellow runs, did they set those Feb times on the red tyres?

Shame its so hard to tell how much the cars have moved forward since February!

Anyway this is looking more encouraging for a decent showing up to Q3 for Schumi. Its a shame Nico just got held up by Petrov so we couldn't see where they stood, I think he and Michael would have posted near identical times there.

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#10022 DutchCruijff

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:50

Tyre differences looks like one lap for MSC in Q3.

#10023 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:50

Highly doubt it. Testing times are faster as usual. Same as last year. The cars are faster in colder temperatures.

Right about that though I suppose. :)

2 seconds may be a bit much for P3 - Q3. low 1:21 for RBR1:20 for RBR, low 1:22 for MGP?

At least we're well clear of Ferrari.

MSC is going to have to pull everything out of the bag to beat ROS in quali though.

Edited by Augurk, 21 May 2011 - 09:54.


#10024 ivand911

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 09:57

Right about that though I suppose. :)

2 seconds may be a bit much for P3 - Q3. low 1:21 for RBR1:20 for RBR, low 1:22 for MGP?

At least we're well clear of Ferrari.

MSC is going to have to pull everything out of the bag to beat ROS in quali though.

Lets he get second or third row , I will be happy. He will think about Nico in the race.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:01

He's having to fight the car still, compare it to Vet on his first couple of fast laps - jumping kurbs and getting on the throttle with no drama.

#10026 baddog

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:15

Perhaps at the VERY least people could now stop saying Michael is 'slow'?

#10027 rommel

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:25

Perhaps at the VERY least people could now stop saying Michael is 'slow'?


Nothing is proven until qualifying. Schumacher fans have become so desperate that they now boast about practice times. :eek:

#10028 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:27

Nothing is proven until qualifying. Schumacher fans have become so desperate that they now boast about practice times. :eek:

Whatever the status of the session, if the driver can put in such a time it disproves any claim of being slow.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:28

Fairly sure Piquet Jr. cracked top 10 in practice sessions as well.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:29

Whatever the status of the session, if the driver can put in such a time it disproves any claim of being slow.


Even if the time ends up being slower than qualifying which it will? His time means nothing. Rosberg was held up in the final sector anyway on his run.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:33

Even if the time ends up being slower than qualifying which it will? His time means nothing. Rosberg was held up in the final sector anyway on his run.

He's doing the same thing as all the others in the same session under the same circumstances and was pretty quick. Ros might or might not have beaten him without the car ahead of him that pretty much cost him as much as having to take a suboptimal line in 1 corner, but it wouldn't have been much more than a tenth faster.

That MSC has been quite inconsistent in quali (through technical issues or mistakes) noone will deny.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:35

Nothing is proven until qualifying. Schumacher fans have become so desperate that they now boast about practice times. :eek:


Its hardly a boast.

Is Michael as fast as he used to be? No.
Is Michael as fast as Nico? No.

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, and all the calls for him to retire because of his epic slowness are boring. Me may no longer be the fastest, but he's still got some decent pace in there somewhere. Thats all.

#10033 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:36

Its hardly a boast.

Is Michael as fast as he used to be? No.
Is Michael as fast as Nico? No.

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, and all the calls for him to retire because of his epic slowness are boring. Me may no longer be the fastest, but he's still got some decent pace in there somewhere. Thats all.

I suppose they think he is epically slow compared to how he was because they know he was just epically fast in his first career. :smoking:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:36

He's doing the same thing as all the others in the same session under the same circumstances and was pretty quick. Ros might or might not have beaten him without the car ahead of him that pretty much cost him as much as having to take a suboptimal line in 1 corner, but it wouldn't have been much more than a tenth faster.

That MSC has been quite inconsistent in quali (through technical issues or mistakes) noone will deny.


No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:39

No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

I remember in tests here where was Michael and where was Alonso with one fast lap stints. But , we will see in Q3 too.


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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:40

No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

Someone who is slow would not be able to do such a lap under any circumstance.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:53

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, .


Based on his pace yes - based on his past performances and the reputation he has - no.

CAnt see him wanting to stick around and be regulalry beaten by his teammate , let alone not being able to mount a serious challenge for wins or the championship.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 11:02

Someone who is slow would not be able to do such a lap under any circumstance.

Exactly.

Whatever problem Michael might have, calling him slow makes one look like a fool.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:02

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

Seriously, i am fed up with these kind of strategies during Qs

First they waste a set of softs in Q1, while that 1:25:5 would secure him entering Q2
then he ended up being the only driver not completing a Q3 run, while 5th-6th position seemed possible



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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.


Well the Merc is a long way off the pace so why not roll the dice.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

He is hoping to do a Webbo on everyone in the last stint tomorrow when he will have softs, but others will be stuck on hards.
Nice to see him taking risks, an interesting call anyway. We will see tomorrow how it works out.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

I think you're wrong in supposing his Q strategy is being decided by his chances against Rosberg..... :well:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

Chill people it may be a good call

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

I have been thinking about this. If they have enough tyres - could Schumacher simply do 1 lap on the hards and then race on the softs for the rest? He'd be in clear air and come through the field easily as cars change tyres.

I don't know if its possible, but it might be that an extreme strategy actually turns out to be faster

#10046 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:07

I have been thinking about this. If they have enough tyres - could Schumacher simply do 1 lap on the hards and then race on the softs for the rest? He'd be in clear air and come through the field easily as cars change tyres.

I don't know if its possible, but it might be that an extreme strategy actually turns out to be faster

I wouldn't go for one lap, but he might do a shorter hard tyre run, save his fresh softs until the last stint. And that stint will be very interesting to watch.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:08

Seriously, i am fed up with these kind of strategies during Qs

First they waste a set of softs in Q1, while that 1:25:5 would secure him entering Q2
then he ended up being the only driver not completing a Q3 run, while 5th-6th position seemed possible


Yeah, Nico needed to run again in Q1 but Michael didn't. He was looking good here.

I can see the argument for it being a clever call to save a set of softs, but bearing in mind how much faster than him the cars behind will be I think he's going to get swallowed up and involved in incidents with cars behind him on much faster rubber and with the DRS advantage. If he makes it to the first stop without damage, or even past the first corner bearing in mind how much the soft tyres are worth off the start... I'll be amazed.

I'm hoping to eat my words obviously... but...

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:09

I wouldn't go for one lap, but he might do a shorter hard tyre run, save his fresh softs until the last stint. And that stint will be very interesting to watch.


Yep, i also think that would be the strategy to use. But knowing Merc he'll end up on hards in the last stint. :rotfl:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:10

I think you're wrong in supposing his Q strategy is being decided by his chances against Rosberg..... :well:


Yeah that may be an overly pessimistic view. But something about it just seems to lack confidence.

Fingers crossed he can stay out of trouble and maintain enough track position tomorrow to make this work :cool:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:10

Might be clever but heĀ“ll have a hard time in the first 2-3 laps against the option cars... :well: