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#10051 rommel

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:29

Whatever the status of the session, if the driver can put in such a time it disproves any claim of being slow.


Even if the time ends up being slower than qualifying which it will? His time means nothing. Rosberg was held up in the final sector anyway on his run.

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#10052 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:33

Even if the time ends up being slower than qualifying which it will? His time means nothing. Rosberg was held up in the final sector anyway on his run.

He's doing the same thing as all the others in the same session under the same circumstances and was pretty quick. Ros might or might not have beaten him without the car ahead of him that pretty much cost him as much as having to take a suboptimal line in 1 corner, but it wouldn't have been much more than a tenth faster.

That MSC has been quite inconsistent in quali (through technical issues or mistakes) noone will deny.

#10053 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:35

Nothing is proven until qualifying. Schumacher fans have become so desperate that they now boast about practice times. :eek:


Its hardly a boast.

Is Michael as fast as he used to be? No.
Is Michael as fast as Nico? No.

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, and all the calls for him to retire because of his epic slowness are boring. Me may no longer be the fastest, but he's still got some decent pace in there somewhere. Thats all.

#10054 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:36

Its hardly a boast.

Is Michael as fast as he used to be? No.
Is Michael as fast as Nico? No.

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, and all the calls for him to retire because of his epic slowness are boring. Me may no longer be the fastest, but he's still got some decent pace in there somewhere. Thats all.

I suppose they think he is epically slow compared to how he was because they know he was just epically fast in his first career. :smoking:

#10055 rommel

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:36

He's doing the same thing as all the others in the same session under the same circumstances and was pretty quick. Ros might or might not have beaten him without the car ahead of him that pretty much cost him as much as having to take a suboptimal line in 1 corner, but it wouldn't have been much more than a tenth faster.

That MSC has been quite inconsistent in quali (through technical issues or mistakes) noone will deny.


No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:39

No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

I remember in tests here where was Michael and where was Alonso with one fast lap stints. But , we will see in Q3 too.


#10057 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:40

No he is not doing the same thing as others, thats because its practice. Alonso was out there with 5 laps fuel at the end. How much did michael have? Lets see how fast he is when it really counts.

Someone who is slow would not be able to do such a lap under any circumstance.

#10058 MinT

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 10:53

Is Michael fast enough to deserve a seat on the F1 grid if he should chose to continue? Based on his pace I think yes, .


Based on his pace yes - based on his past performances and the reputation he has - no.

CAnt see him wanting to stick around and be regulalry beaten by his teammate , let alone not being able to mount a serious challenge for wins or the championship.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 11:02

Someone who is slow would not be able to do such a lap under any circumstance.

Exactly.

Whatever problem Michael might have, calling him slow makes one look like a fool.

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#10060 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:02

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

Seriously, i am fed up with these kind of strategies during Qs

First they waste a set of softs in Q1, while that 1:25:5 would secure him entering Q2
then he ended up being the only driver not completing a Q3 run, while 5th-6th position seemed possible



#10062 Clatter

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.


Well the Merc is a long way off the pace so why not roll the dice.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:04

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

He is hoping to do a Webbo on everyone in the last stint tomorrow when he will have softs, but others will be stuck on hards.
Nice to see him taking risks, an interesting call anyway. We will see tomorrow how it works out.

#10064 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

A genius strategy call from Michael, or has he bottled it thinking he can't beat Rosberg?

This is surely a mistake. He will be on the hard tyres, but starting the race 1.5 seconds a lap slower than the cars behind him. With DRS the Saubers are sure to get ahead of him early in the race, just how much can he gain on the undercut by running a longer first stint? In terms of track position I think he'll get eaten alive.

A confident Schumi surely would have gone for the highest grid position, I just can't see this working.

I think you're wrong in supposing his Q strategy is being decided by his chances against Rosberg..... :well:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

Chill people it may be a good call

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:06

I have been thinking about this. If they have enough tyres - could Schumacher simply do 1 lap on the hards and then race on the softs for the rest? He'd be in clear air and come through the field easily as cars change tyres.

I don't know if its possible, but it might be that an extreme strategy actually turns out to be faster

#10067 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:07

I have been thinking about this. If they have enough tyres - could Schumacher simply do 1 lap on the hards and then race on the softs for the rest? He'd be in clear air and come through the field easily as cars change tyres.

I don't know if its possible, but it might be that an extreme strategy actually turns out to be faster

I wouldn't go for one lap, but he might do a shorter hard tyre run, save his fresh softs until the last stint. And that stint will be very interesting to watch.

#10068 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:08

Seriously, i am fed up with these kind of strategies during Qs

First they waste a set of softs in Q1, while that 1:25:5 would secure him entering Q2
then he ended up being the only driver not completing a Q3 run, while 5th-6th position seemed possible


Yeah, Nico needed to run again in Q1 but Michael didn't. He was looking good here.

I can see the argument for it being a clever call to save a set of softs, but bearing in mind how much faster than him the cars behind will be I think he's going to get swallowed up and involved in incidents with cars behind him on much faster rubber and with the DRS advantage. If he makes it to the first stop without damage, or even past the first corner bearing in mind how much the soft tyres are worth off the start... I'll be amazed.

I'm hoping to eat my words obviously... but...

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:09

I wouldn't go for one lap, but he might do a shorter hard tyre run, save his fresh softs until the last stint. And that stint will be very interesting to watch.


Yep, i also think that would be the strategy to use. But knowing Merc he'll end up on hards in the last stint. :rotfl:

#10070 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:10

I think you're wrong in supposing his Q strategy is being decided by his chances against Rosberg..... :well:


Yeah that may be an overly pessimistic view. But something about it just seems to lack confidence.

Fingers crossed he can stay out of trouble and maintain enough track position tomorrow to make this work :cool:

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:10

Might be clever but he´ll have a hard time in the first 2-3 laps against the option cars... :well:

#10072 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:13

Might be clever but he´ll have a hard time in the first 2-3 laps against the option cars... :well:

It's by no means certain he'll start on the hards.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:15

It's by no means certain he'll start on the hards.

Didn't he do his lap in/out on hards? He can't change the tyres even if he wanted to.

Interesting race tomorrow, I'll watch it...

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:16

Didn't he do his lap in/out on hards? He can't change the tyres even if he wanted to.

Interesting race tomorrow, I'll watch it...

I think the rules state you have to start the race on the tyres you set your fastest time on? He didn't clock a time.

#10075 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:16

It's by no means certain he'll start on the hards.


True. He didn't finish the lap so has his 'options' open (ho ho)

But then how much pace is taken out of the softs by running them on a hot lap? Enough to garuantee making up 5 places on the first 2 laps? If not it seems like a waste of time to me.

Shame the Beeb coverage has cut away, I'd love to have seen an interview to explain the thinking on this one.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:17

Wasn't done on purpose, obviously. KERS fell out before Q3.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:17

True. He didn't finish the lap so has his 'options' open (ho ho)

But then how much pace is taken out of the softs by running them on a hot lap? Enough to garuantee making up 5 places on the first 2 laps? If not it seems like a waste of time to me.

Shame the Beeb coverage has cut away, I'd love to have seen an interview to explain the thinking on this one.

He could start on the used softs from Q2, on par with the rest, and get his advantage from the fresh set on the last stint.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:18

I think the rules state you have to start the race on the tyres you set your fastest time on? He didn't clock a time.


Then he has to start on the rims only.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:19

I think the rules state you have to start the race on the tyres you set your fastest time on? He didn't clock a time.

Hmm, good point that...

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#10080 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:19

He has a free choice of what tires to use in the race.

#10081 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:19

Then he has to start on the rims only.

:rotfl:

#10082 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:23

Wasn't done on purpose, obviously. KERS fell out before Q3.


Oh. Damn. Well this changes everything :well:

In that case I expect him to start on the softs and try to rescue another botched weekend from reliability.

Cos I still think that starting on the hards when he has so many runners behind him on softs with superior pace would be insane.

If he finished behind Rosberg in the race, or even worse gets caught up in an incident from being out of position... please, just once a break from the post race crowing from the usual suspects about how he is past it and should retire, eh? Up until Q3 it has been a very strong showing this weekend.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 13:26

If everything works on the car come race day, P10 is not a tragedy, but it is a shame because there was potential for a P6, from both drivers. Anything beyond P6 doesn't seem possible, bar some reliability issues/accidents of other drivers.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 14:05

Just for once I'd like Nico to get the shitty end of the stick from Merc.



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Posted 21 May 2011 - 14:54

Having thought about it a bit, I expect him to start on Q2 or Q1 used softs, on par with those around him, then change to hards, do a run on his other used softs and save his fresh softs for the final stint.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 14:54

Just for once I'd like Nico to get the shitty end of the stick from Merc.


I wouldn't, I like Nico. I think he's gonna have a great race with Alonso tomorrow.

I'd just like Schumi's car to hold together and give him a decent starting slot on the grid.

#10087 spacekid

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 14:54

Having thought about it a bit, I expect him to start on Q2 or Q1 used softs, on par with those around him, then change to hards, do a run on his other used softs and save his fresh softs for the final stint.


:up:

I agree. Although it might be an idea to keep an idea on how who he is realistically racing (probably Petrov, Massa and Kobayashi?) are doing and react to their stops to be on the softs when they go to the hards?

Although having a set of new softs is handy, is there that much of a difference between a brand new set and a set thats done an out lap, a hot lap and a gentle in lap? Surely its only worth a couple of seconds on the road?

Edited by spacekid, 21 May 2011 - 15:00.


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Posted 21 May 2011 - 17:18

I must go on to the Amazon site and order " The Big Book of Excuses 2011 " by M Schumacher

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 17:29

I must go on to the Amazon site and order " The Big Book of Excuses 2011 " by M Schumacher

:rotfl: its just 'saled'

#10090 iakhtar

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 17:37

I must go on to the Amazon site and order " The Big Book of Excuses 2011 " by M Schumacher


Would look real nice in your Schumacher fetish shrine :p

#10091 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 18:11

It's pretty clear an excuse...his q3 lap was so slow the timing device was unable to catch

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 19:31

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#10093 Augurk

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 20:12

It's pretty clear an excuse...his q3 lap was so slow the timing device was unable to catch

Must be like the older automatic train protection system used in Holland. It stops trains from passing red signals by automatically applying their brakes, however, it can't detect speeds slower than 40kph!

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 20:57


I must go on to the Amazon site and order " The Big Book of Excuses 2011 " by M Schumacher

:rotfl: its just 'saled'

but nothing can out sell the award winning " The Big Book of Excuses 2007 " by Fernando Alonso and his fans! :rotfl: :rotfl: :lol: :lol:

and its "sold" not "saled"! ;)

Edited by EdwardCullen, 21 May 2011 - 21:00.


#10095 puxanando

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 21:08

and its "sold" not "saled"! ;)

:blush: sorry when my english is only my 3. lenguage after german and spanish...... :) but I'm learning 'day by day'.......

#10096 BRK

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 21:09

I must go on to the Amazon site and order " The Big Book of Excuses 2011 " by M Schumacher


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Posted 21 May 2011 - 21:18

Just for once I'd like Nico to get the shitty end of the stick from Merc.

Come on, you've been a long time fan of Michael and see his teammate as the most important driver to beat - and fair enough! Just don't portray it as though it's just this weekend.

Hats off to Michael as he has at this track got the measure of Nico, no doubt. He did it last year too, qualifying and race. I would be surprised to not see him beat Nico tomorrow but he will probably battling for about 6th or 7th, the car just doesn't do it at this track.

#10098 EdwardCullen

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 21:23

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 21:33

Come on, you've been a long time fan of Michael and see his teammate as the most important driver to beat - and fair enough! Just don't portray it as though it's just this weekend.

Hats off to Michael as he has at this track got the measure of Nico, no doubt. He did it last year too, qualifying and race. I would be surprised to not see him beat Nico tomorrow but he will probably battling for about 6th or 7th, the car just doesn't do it at this track.

if he can survive his customary Petrov encounter we might get a chance to see that.

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Posted 21 May 2011 - 23:59

wont the others behind also be on softs?

I am having my doubts about michael ever getting quicker.

watching him working the wheel suggests to me he simply hasnt been able to adapt to what is required on these tyres. yes the car might have issues but that degree of energyu on the wheel cant be good for the tyre longevity either. nico does not seem to need the same degree of input to achieve an equivalent time

that was a super lap by alonso and otherwise mercedes seemed to ahve the measure of teh ferraris and renault so it will all come down to strategy and a little luck. mcklaren looks too far away but lewis may struggle a little ore than qualifying suggest come race day.

as usual I will be hoping and as usual will probably be left somewhat frustrated.(sighs)