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#10551 jjpm

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Posted 12 June 2011 - 23:57

Michael overtake on Koba and Massa, priceless. :D


Absolutely priceless! :clap:

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#10552 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:12

:wave: for all drivers the same!!!

as I remember the rules the defending driver doesn't have drs so it's not exactly the same you know

#10553 jjpm

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:19

Have to say props to Schumi today :up: - looked liked the old Michael was back.

He must have got some big joy after that race - is this the start of the renaissance proper?


As a matter of fact not really, when asked by the BBC it he was going to have champagne?
His answer was : "I don't know if I should get excited or upset about what's going on..."
then the interview was snappily cut and return to Jack, Eddie and David.

I guess he wasn't to pleased with the MGP's Master Strategist for one and maybe for some other reasons as well!

#10554 Richardc

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:28

That shows the difference between someone who is happy to finish 3rd/4th (rozzer) and Schumacher.

#10555 Collective

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 00:54

Can't take anything from the old guy today. He was fantastic, hitting the kerbs in the wet, defending hard. I'm glad he had a drive like this. Hopefully not a fluke. Huge difference from last year's Canada GP!!!!

#10556 Scotracer

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 01:30

Michael was attacking the last chicane more than anyone today...he was consistently faster than anyone in the last sector because of it.



#10557 Afterburner

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 01:39

Absolutely inspiring drive from the Schu today. It finally felt like he was his old self again until the track dried and the car let him down. We got a taste of what he can race like on equal footing with the frontrunners today--who knows how competitive he would be if Mercedes produced some top-flight machinery in 2012? Seems that the rumours about him signing on 'til 2014 might not be so ill-founded.

Either way, awesome race for him, and probably the best race of his comeback so far. Just goes to show that there really is a reward for never giving up. :D

#10558 black magic

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 06:20

importantly it will also lay done a marker for the rest of his team members - it will cement the realisation that he is something special and maybe to date they might have been questioning that.

the admiration his mechanics hold him was something he always developed and now perhaps also mercedes will have that belief in him.

#10559 arknor

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:11

as I remember the rules the defending driver doesn't have drs so it's not exactly the same you know

he means it makes the people crap at overtaking into overtaking masters and he sees it as something good :down:

you can use it on backmarkers aswell :down: its turning f1 into time attack

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#10560 carbonfibre

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:14

Im still so disappointed really. I really wanted to see him on that podium which he deserved a lot more then Webber. But with DRS i knew it would be so hard to keep both Webber and Button behind, and plus they had a faster car as well. If the DRS wouldnt have been there there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been on the podium here.

But still it shows this guy is still so good, at his age doing this stuff is just amazing and im proud to see him do all this and taking all the crap and still carry on. Maybe Mercedes will give him so more support and listen a bit more to him.

#10561 Ruf

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:19

Its the damn DRS. Placement like Turkey was a joke.

Not only that. The "let's design on purpose tires who dissintegrate themselves, all in the name of entertainment; screw the sport" Pirellis who had the biggest contribution. I'm pretty sure that even with the DRS Michael could have defended from Webber; Button not so much, he was way too fast but he was behind Webber anyway. (yes, I know, everyone has the same tires).

Also I can't help thinking that should the last Safety car stayed on track a couple more laps Shumi's tires would have lasted just enough to get the podium, either that or the 2h mark would come into effect. (how long did the race last anyway?)

Anyway, fantastic drive by Schumacher! The master teaching the youngsters how it's done. Bravo! :clap:

#10562 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:23

Looking at the times in the last laps, considering how Webber had stressed out his tires before as well, it seems to me like holding him off could have been a possibility, even with the silly DRS. Not easy at all, of course, as the lack of DRS surely did not aid Webber in the remaining laps, when Schumi started catching up again, but it just feels like that was a real chance.

#10563 vsubravet

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:26

Im still so disappointed really. I really wanted to see him on that podium which he deserved a lot more then Webber. But with DRS i knew it would be so hard to keep both Webber and Button behind, and plus they had a faster car as well. If the DRS wouldnt have been there there is no doubt in my mind that he would have been on the podium here.

But still it shows this guy is still so good, at his age doing this stuff is just amazing and im proud to see him do all this and taking all the crap and still carry on. Maybe Mercedes will give him so more support and listen a bit more to him.


:up: Absolutely. One should really appreciate the fact that he is nearly 10 years elder to when compared to his front-running competitors (Webber) and he still showed plenty of fire and skill. You just can't help but admire him for all what he is doing on track. I wonder what kind of results would SV or FA or LH deliver in a similar car at a similar age as MS.

The more I see him the more I want him to succeed and get on to the podium, maybe even sneak a win. I never liked him when he was at Ferrari but the old man won me over now!!! Ha,ha, ha!!

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:35

Have to say props to Schumi today :up: - looked liked the old Michael was back.

He must have got some big joy after that race - is this the start of the renaissance proper?

Yup, was like turning back the clock for a while there :clap:

If the next 12 races were wet/damp then we might see a lot more, but I can't see it in the dry :well:

#10565 pRy

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:37

I think this weekend will reassure him he made the right decision and it's just up to Mercedes now to give him a car that can consistently run towards the front.

#10566 STRFerrari4Ever

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:44

That's the hunger & fight I wanna see from Schumi. He was immense & unfortunate to miss out on a podium, I was urging him on my ex-favourite driver just behind my favourite driver right now it would've been a great 1st & 2nd.

#10567 EdwardCullen

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:47

Yup, was like turning back the clock for a while there :clap:

Yup , once they showed Corrina ....i thought next they where going to show Hakkinen's wife :lol:

#10568 biala

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:57

Schumi is the most important man for the F1 show these days!
I am sure that if he was not on the track again the TV audience will be less.

#10569 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 07:58

Those "German" video tapes did the trick. :p

#10570 rommel

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:00

Michael looked good today, at least he is becoming competent in recent races.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 08:19

Yes it lessens the quality of racing for all drivers the same.



Indeed.

Canada certainly wasn't a good advert for DRS, yes, as the poster you replied to pointed out it is available for all of the drivers but it negates any hard work put in by someone in a slower car; and where does that leave the skill of defensive driving?

Yesterday DRS was excessive, a great shame for the closing laps. Personally I don't begrudge Mark and Jenson getting by but the manner in which they did looked comically easy, and scant reward for Michael's efforts.

#10572 ali.unal

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:11

This race felt like Japan 2006. I mean, exactly same. Same bitterness. I know they are totally different, but the feeling is the same.

Apart from that, welcome ol' man :up:

#10573 expert

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:24

Great race from Michael, good strategy from Mercedes. Would have been great to see him on the podium but at the end of the day he wasn't one of the top 3 fastest guys and it was only really circumstance that saw him up in second to begin with.

If Alonso, Massa and Hamilton didn't have issues he probably would have been lower than 4th. So he should celebrate this result but not get carried away.



#10574 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:30

Great race from Michael, good strategy from Mercedes. Would have been great to see him on the podium but at the end of the day he wasn't one of the top 3 fastest guys and it was only really circumstance that saw him up in second to begin with.

If Alonso, Massa and Hamilton didn't have issues he probably would have been lower than 4th. So he should celebrate this result but not get carried away.


In dry track no he wasnt (due the crap cars pace on dry tracks) , but on the wet he certainly was. His performance was worthy of a podium don't you think?

#10575 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:31

Man, I tell you, seeing Schumacher smelling the podium, wanting the podium, BEING the podium, only to watch it get snatched from under him like taking candy from a baby, must have been one of the most satisfying experience of my watching Motorsports in my life!!!!! :up:


Wow.

You have some sad life, is it due to the tortue Schumi gave you in his previous career?

:wave:

#10576 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:33

Well even though i am a huge fan of MS, i doubt it mattered after all.
The last safety car caused by Heidfeld would have closed any gap anyway.. That was what eliminated the obvious chances for a podium.
It was not possible to keep the bulls and JB behind while on dries, maybe there would just be a chance they would all come together trying to pass each other hehe


I beg to differ, it looked like a Monaco situation. Yes they were closing in on him but would they have got past without the extra 5kph? Didnt webber have a weak system of KERS? So I think it wouldve equalled it out. Button probably would have got passed but not sure about webber.

#10577 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:34

Have to say props to Schumi today :up: - looked liked the old Michael was back.

He must have got some big joy after that race - is this the start of the renaissance proper?


Nah wouldnt say so unless they fire that crappy strategist and give a competitive car.

#10578 eoin

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:47

Schumacher has been a bit of a miracle working in the last 2 races. He has past Hamilton twice, been past once and defended against a number of his moves and has managed NOT to end up in the wall, spun around or be rear-ended!

#10579 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:51

Schumacher has been a bit of a miracle working in the last 2 races. He has past Hamilton twice, been past once and defended against a number of his moves and has managed NOT to end up in the wall, spun around or be rear-ended!


Yeah he can drive on the edge without making mistakes (unlike Hamilton and co.) which separates him from the rest.

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#10580 ApolloBluecat

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 09:55

Michael's experience showed today, didn't put a foot wrong. Got the best out of a car that is acknowledged to be a unpredictable machine. He could not have done any better than he did, simple as that.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:02

Yeah he can drive on the edge without making mistakes (unlike Hamilton and co.) which separates him from the rest.


Everyone makes mistake- Schumacher in Turkey? Hamilton has been driving at a very high level for years without making many mistakes- especially considering that he is one of the most aggressive drivers.

#10582 zeph

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:06

Congrats to the Schu fans!

Back in the day I used to hate him for destroying F1, but I respected his decision to come back as he had little to gain and everything to lose.

Nobody can deny that was some superb driving he did yesterday.

#10583 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:12

Everyone makes mistake- Schumacher in Turkey? Hamilton has been driving at a very high level for years without making many mistakes- especially considering that he is one of the most aggressive drivers.


Yeah aggressive? Basically he expects the other guy to back off.. since he thinks he can charge through. His driving is appalling and hes being exposed to what he really is. I used to be a fan but his driving on track and expressing his feelings after are rather OTT i.e calling other drivers stupid etc.... don't see why he comes out and says hes sorry, he doesnt really mean it at all as shown by his ontrack antics. personally I hope that keeps happening, he'll never learn his lesson.

#10584 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 10:37

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#10585 Murdoch

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 11:57

I've only ever come on here to laugh at/poke fun at Mr Schu but...

....I've got to say well done on yesterdays drive, good effort


......about time though (sorry couldn't resist)

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 12:03

Any post race interview of Schumi to be found on You tube?
A Link would highly apreciated... :)

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 14:17

Old MS has apparently had 2 good races. That's compared to his performances since he his return to F1. His greatest fans are starting to believe that he's turned the corner and a win could be on the horizon.

I think it should be pointed out that the last 2 races have been run at a significantly slower speed than the rest of the season and when racing returns to dry high speed tracks, like Monza, we can expect poor old MS to return to his bumbling around in mid field.

:rotfl:

<runs away>



#10588 biala

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 14:27

I think it should be pointed out that the last 2 races have been run at a significantly slower speed than the rest of the season and when racing returns to dry high speed tracks, like Monza, we can expect poor old MS to return to his bumbling around in mid field.

<runs away>



What will you be expecting from Button , Alonso or poor Hamilton in a Mercedes car :) They are all just the lucky dudes.
Shumacher, Vettel, Kobayashi, Rosberg and Kubica (when he was driving) are the best drivers out there.


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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:08

"I think it should be pointed out that the last 2 races have been run at a significantly slower speed than the rest of the season and when racing returns to dry high speed tracks, like Monza, we can expect poor old MS to return to his bumbling around in mid field."

What will you be expecting from Button , Alonso or poor Hamilton in a Mercedes car :) They are all just the lucky dudes.
Shumacher, Vettel, Kobayashi, Rosberg and Kubica (when he was driving) are the best drivers out there.


Don't attack him. He is almost as good as he could be:
- He considers both Monaco and Montreal slow tracks. His failure rate is only 50%.
- He thinks of Schumacher who is struggling on fast tracks with fast corners. It's only a 100% failure. (Schumacher loses time to Rosberg at slow corners).

Mercedes has a slow car and a slow season start though.

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#10590 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:10

Well he shouldnt put himself in the same sentence. Schumacher is an all time great and Lewis............isn't.


Lewis is trying too hard to be the next Senna. He shold concentrate on beating Button first.

:up:

#10591 inca_roads

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:17

I enjoyed watching Schumacher yesterday. Was really hoping he would get a podium, but still, a great effort.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:18

Stefano Domenicali:
"But we have to see that Red Bull has built an outstanding car; so good that in a victory the car is usually listed first as the winner before the driver. When we dominated, it was always Michael Schumacher first and then Ferrari. Now it's Red Bull and then Sebastian Vettel."

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/51564.html




#10593 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:24

Stefano Domenicali:
"But we have to see that Red Bull has built an outstanding car; so good that in a victory the car is usually listed first as the winner before the driver. When we dominated, it was always Michael Schumacher first and then Ferrari. Now it's Red Bull and then Sebastian Vettel."

http://en.espnf1.com...tory/51564.html

He think that MS was more important than the car for the wins. When now RBR car is more important than Vettel. :up:


#10594 arknor

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:41

He think that MS was more important than the car for the wins. When now RBR car is more important than Vettel. :up:

personally i dont rate vettel but mainly because to me webber has never been anything special.
i class webber as a good driver but hes nothing special its hard for me to gauge vettel as beeing one of the best when webber has often challenged him although this season its not really been the case, i'd love for button to move to RBR or hamilton.

i bet ferrari are wishing they didnt force schumacher out for kimi though he obviously wasnt the type of driver ferrari like

#10595 spacekid

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 15:44

Depressingly unsurprised by the negativity surrounding this result.

Great driving from Michael in difficult conditions. Whatever of his skills he has lost over a single lap or whatever his struggles on dry tyres with these cars, that was some mighty nice driving. He simply couldn't have been better in the second part of that race, really good stuff loved it :up:

#10596 differential

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 18:11

Wonder how montezemolo felt as he saw MSC overtake Massa lol.

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 18:37

Any post race interview of Schumi to be found on You tube?
A Link would highly apreciated... :)


Here's the video of Schumi's small post race interview with BBC. :)





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Posted 13 June 2011 - 20:02

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weber use the DRS :rolleyes:

#10599 Augurk

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 20:05

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weber use the DRS :rolleyes:

That's... odd.

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#10600 ivand911

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Posted 13 June 2011 - 20:07

weber use the DRS :rolleyes:

Yes , they all can use it on the main straight(start-finish), after they use it on the big straight. Detection point was only one, after that you can use DRS on both straights, this is the moment Webber pass MS and he can still open his DRS on following main straight. They all use it on both straights.

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