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#10651 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 15 June 2011 - 16:44

The car is fine. Problem is MS is badly over the hill and Rosberg is a mediocre journeyman.

you're here again with this crap?

the car is fine, you're right. the problem is the other ones are better :p

Edited by MikeTekRacing, 15 June 2011 - 16:44.


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#10652 weston

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 14:17

"After Dirk Nowitzki became the first German to win an NBA title last weekend, Bild started a poll to find out who was regarded as the best sportsperson that Germany has produced. Out of over 56,000 votes, Schumacher came out on top earning over 28% of the share. That was more than double the amount of second-placed man Franz Beckenbauer, with the football legend receiving less than 13%."

It seems that his legacy remained intact.

#10653 Jordana

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 14:31

The car is fine. Problem is MS is badly over the hill and Rosberg is a mediocre journeyman.



Too much alcohol perhaps? :rotfl:



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Posted 16 June 2011 - 16:45

No suprise he is rated the best. He was at the top of his game for 16 years straight and even now, at the age of 42 has still demonstrated he is VERY VERY competitive and still has the (or some of) speed and still deserves to be in F1 on pure merit.


He is an icon.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 16 June 2011 - 16:45.


#10655 Jordana

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 16:54

No suprise he is rated the best. He was at the top of his game for 16 years straight and even now, at the age of 42 has still demonstrated he is VERY VERY competitive and still has the (or some of) speed and still deserves to be in F1 on pure merit.


He is an icon.



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#10656 Tarun

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 19:30

The seven time world champion legend Michael Schumacher will complete his three year contract with Mercedes GP. The critics, the fans and the experts were saying he may be retiring from F1 after this season. But Brawn today said in an interview that Mercedes definitely have one more year with Schumacher.


Brawn: We definitely have another year with Michael

#10657 Johnrambo

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 19:50

Too much alcohol perhaps? :rotfl:


Well do you think Rosberg is in the same league as Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton or Button? I think Rosberg is no better than guys like Sutil, Trulli or Petrov. OTOH maybe worse than Petrov though! And still during their time as team-mates he has totally kicked Schumachers butt.

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 19:57

I just pray that Mercedes can give Michael a car worthy of his talents next year. Schumacher's performance in Canada has silenced a lot of critics.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 20:02

pretty much crushes the theory some people had that MSC could nolonger react to micro slides , or he could no longer feel the grip.


I don't think so... One thing that driving in the car requires (AFAIK) is that it makes the 'events' last over a longer period. So a slide is a sliiiiide. Driving in the rain requires more 'feel', yes, but I don't think it requires microfeel...



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#10660 Raelene

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Posted 16 June 2011 - 23:52

"I find it incredible that in a year and a half he has failed to do so," the Italian told Sky Sports 24.

"I was pleased to see him up there and do not forget all that he gave to us," said Montezemolo


Luca after Canada

Edited by Raelene, 16 June 2011 - 23:53.


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Posted 16 June 2011 - 23:57

The car is fine. Problem is MS is badly over the hill and Rosberg is a mediocre journeyman.

i agree he's definitely not the same driver he was, but im expecting him to have some more great races this year. :up:

#10662 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 00:01

I don't think so... One thing that driving in the car requires (AFAIK) is that it makes the 'events' last over a longer period. So a slide is a sliiiiide. Driving in the rain requires more 'feel', yes, but I don't think it requires microfeel...

wtf is micro-feel?!

feel is feel and that's it. you either feel it or you don't.
driving in the rain requires you to feel the grip and commit to a different speed lap after lap as track changes dramatically. you can't slide your way out of badly judged situations.

the slides you see are very small corrections.
to achieve a similar behaviour in dry conditions you need a car that uses its tyres very very well other wise you end up frying them in a couple of laps.

he's certainly got less feel than 10 years ago but I don't think by much. Completely different situations to compare with.
michael from canada looked very different to michael from turkey...michael from the 1st stint in monaco looked very different to michael from the 2nd stint
circumstances mean a lot

#10663 genespleen

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 00:30

Well do you think Rosberg is in the same league as Vettel, Alonso, Hamilton or Button? I think Rosberg is no better than guys like Sutil, Trulli or Petrov. OTOH maybe worse than Petrov though! And still during their time as team-mates he has totally kicked Schumachers butt.


That says nothing to your seemingly ignorant claim that "the car is fine." (Have you been following technical discussions of the car?) Why do you write that about a car that is clearly problematic? I think you just get a kick out of stirring the pot.

#10664 ashnathan

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 01:12

Never thought I'd ever say this but I was GUTTED that Michael missed the podium.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 01:31

I just pray that Mercedes can give Michael a car worthy of his talents next year. Schumacher's performance in Canada has silenced a lot of critics.


I think Schumacher's near-success in Canada had more to do with being on the right tires at the right time. It was soon as the track started to dry out that he began to lose his hard-fought track position. Agreed that he needs a better car but so does every mid-field driver.

#10666 SeanValen

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 02:29

I think Schumacher's near-success in Canada had more to do with being on the right tires at the right time. It was soon as the track started to dry out that he began to lose his hard-fought track position. Agreed that he needs a better car but so does every mid-field driver.



What Canada also showed was perhaps that bit of spirit, as you would always race harder, when you can smell a sniff of a great result, and with Vettel making that mistake to allow Button to get through, you wonder if it remained wet, if Schumacher could of kept Vettel honest enough to the end to get a similar sort of mistake out of him, Vettel will go for the win regardless, but he was really pushed by Button's pace with Mclaren, and Schumacher himself showed perhaps that Spa 1998 grit, getting right up on the kerbs/ultimate extraction from certain sectors to keep Webber behind him, and he would of gotten the job done like he did back in the days, except the DRS this time out took away his hard work, and it didn't help the FIA kept their safety cars out too long at the wrong times, I mean if your going to run wet tyres, let the drivers who are going to go for it, go for it, not wait until inters are needed, which defeats the purpose of a wet tyre. I think for the first wet race of the season we got our answer regarding Schuey more, I think at Korea last year in the rain he was very solid, but missing that extra grit, maybe the pirelli tyres in general and his progress in understanding the rubber has gotten to the level we expected last year more often, and even in the dry at Monaco qualifying/Canada qualifying, he was up there, so that dry running performance reflected his race performance in the wet as well. If the merc can get better, it'll be a fasinating 2nd half of the season. Schuey's ready, patient and willing, his comments about we have no magic makes sense, ferrari are struggeling for wins, redbull where nowhere back in in the DC/Vettel years.

Hakkinen waited 5 years for his title with Mclaren, Kimi waited and never got his with mclaren despite 5 years with them, yet first year with ferrari, he got his first and only from shiney ferrari left over from Schuey's team, then went without one, then retired. Hamilton will likely have to wait for 5 years for his 2nd title, Alonso already is and hasn't won a title since MS retired.

Edited by SeanValen, 17 June 2011 - 02:40.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 02:40

I just pray that Mercedes can give Michael a car worthy of his talents next year. Schumacher's performance in Canada has silenced a lot of critics.


We'll need (at least I'll do) more of that in more races in order to get some of us silenced. Not that I'm saying it's not gonna happen...

Edited by AdamKOR, 17 June 2011 - 02:41.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 02:42

I think Schumacher's near-success in Canada had more to do with being on the right tires at the right time. It was soon as the track started to dry out that he began to lose his hard-fought track position. Agreed that he needs a better car but so does every mid-field driver.

He was on the same tyres as the cars around him. Im not sure where you are going here, but the entire point was that the slippery road and inters equalised car performance to an extent, and boom there he was. This implies that with a more competitive car he would be there.

If there is any factor that could minimise his performance it would be the visibly higher downforce config on the merc compared to the rb and mac.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 07:42

wtf is micro-feel?!

feel is feel and that's it. you either feel it or you don't.
driving in the rain requires you to feel the grip and commit to a different speed lap after lap as track changes dramatically. you can't slide your way out of badly judged situations.

the slides you see are very small corrections.
to achieve a similar behaviour in dry conditions you need a car that uses its tyres very very well other wise you end up frying them in a couple of laps.

he's certainly got less feel than 10 years ago but I don't think by much. Completely different situations to compare with.
michael from canada looked very different to michael from turkey...michael from the 1st stint in monaco looked very different to michael from the 2nd stint
circumstances mean a lot



Forgive me if I sound professor-like, I am a tenniscoach with a keen interest in motorskills. There are different kinds of feel. I am talking about feel of touch and feel of balance.

With 'Microfeel' I mean small motor skills. It has to do with the sense in your fingers and your toes. I, for example, do have microfeel, despite the fact that I have huge long fingers. I can fiddle with watches, toys, and such stuff and repair it. I can pick up a spoon with my toes.

The feel you mean is dependant on large motorskills. It has to with the inner ear, where the balance-organ of the human being is situated. Basically it is a drum on which small thingies float over a film of nerves, like grains of sand on a piece of paper. If the human body rocks, those movements of the 'grains' 'tell' the body it is moving, and which direction. I am quite bad at that kind of 'feel', and on the tenniscourt that means that I have sometimes 'keel' over. The plus-side is: I never get seasick or carsick. I find it telling, therefore, that Schumacher gets sick often in the simulator. For me, it's a telltale sign of a very strong feel of balance.

Edited by Chezrome, 17 June 2011 - 07:43.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 09:43

Schumacher searching for Valencia encouragement
http://www.gpupdate....-encouragement/
“After an encouraging weekend in Canada, it’s nice being back in Europe again, where we start the summer season,” Schumacher said on Friday, ahead of next weekend’s race.
“Valencia stages one of the more unusual races in the calendar, with a street circuit which in my view is very attractive for both us drivers and the fans. I enjoyed the weekend here last year as the track is, surprisingly for a street track, quite fast and flowing, so I’m looking forward to going there.
“Of course we hope that we can put on a good show, deliver a strong performance and experience another encouraging weekend, before we head to our home races in England and Germany.”

Edited by ivand911, 17 June 2011 - 09:44.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 15:24

Schumacher searching for Valencia encouragement
http://www.gpupdate....-encouragement/
“After an encouraging weekend in Canada, it’s nice being back in Europe again, where we start the summer season,” Schumacher said on Friday, ahead of next weekend’s race.
“Valencia stages one of the more unusual races in the calendar, with a street circuit which in my view is very attractive for both us drivers and the fans. I enjoyed the weekend here last year as the track is, surprisingly for a street track, quite fast and flowing, so I’m looking forward to going there.
“Of course we hope that we can put on a good show, deliver a strong performance and experience another encouraging weekend, before we head to our home races in England and Germany.”


As far as I remember Schumacher had a terrible weekend and an awful race in Valencia last year. 15th place or something like this.

Edited by weston, 17 June 2011 - 15:25.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 15:26

As far as I remember Schumacher had a terrible weekend and race in Valencia last year. 15th place or something like this.

He was third , before team cock up. He was looking for strong result. 5-7th.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 15:28

It was a bad weekend for MGP, but I don't quite remember the causes.

Then again, everything between Turkey and Japan was pretty bad for Schumi, except for Spa.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 16:12

That says nothing to your seemingly ignorant claim that "the car is fine." (Have you been following technical discussions of the car?) Why do you write that about a car that is clearly problematic? I think you just get a kick out of stirring the pot.


:rolleyes:

If one looks at Webbers performances this season Red Bull is a problematic car. If one looks Massa's performances this season Ferrari is a problematic car.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 16:16

:rolleyes:

If one looks at Webbers performances this season Red Bull is a problematic car. If one looks Massa's performances this season Ferrari is a problematic car.



If one looks at both Rosberg's and Schumacher's performances this season Mercedes is a problematic car.

Edited by weston, 17 June 2011 - 16:16.


#10676 ivand911

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 18:41

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded
Still MS is who have the biggest picture. The most helmets there. Most pictures too. :clap:

Edited by ivand911, 17 June 2011 - 18:44.


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Posted 17 June 2011 - 18:51

:rolleyes:

If one looks at Webbers performances this season Red Bull is a problematic car. If one looks Massa's performances this season Ferrari is a problematic car.

If one looks at Liuzzi's and Karthikyan's performances HRT is a problematic car.

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 22:33

He was third , before team cock up. He was looking for strong result. 5-7th.


More that slightly misleading.
He was third for one lap when everyone ahead had pitted and he had not. He was running in P10 prior to that.

Edited by Dunder, 18 June 2011 - 00:41.


#10679 Sakae

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Posted 17 June 2011 - 22:44

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded
Still MS is who have the biggest picture. The most helmets there. Most pictures too. :clap:



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Posted 18 June 2011 - 00:24

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded
Still MS is who have the biggest picture. The most helmets there. Most pictures too. :clap:

He will always be the main guy there lol.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 02:36

More that slightly misleading.
He was third for one lap when everyone ahead had pitted and he had not. He was running in P10 prior to that.

Yeah, that's what I was thinking. I don't ever recall Schumacher running any higher than eighth during laster year's race at Valencia--I almost had to go back and check to make sure that I was thinking of the right race, lol.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 06:18

More that slightly misleading.
He was third for one lap when everyone ahead had pitted and he had not. He was running in P10 prior to that.

So? Michael needed one pit stop only , he could stop 6-7 laps before the end of the race, he was on hard tyres. Like Koba did, and he was behind Michael 4th. Koba finish 7th in the end. Michael with his faster car could easily finish 4th-6th , where difference was only 5 seconds. You remember Koba with new tyres overtaking Alonso and Buemi? So, Michael in every case could finish ahead of 7th place? When they could restart the race Michael would have free air behind Lewis. Where my estimate for 5-7th is wrong? But, team decided to pit him late and with wrong timing when he didn't needed to. And he saw how all cars pass him in the pit under red signal. So, he was third for more than 1 lap, and he could easily stay there if he wanted. Yeah, we miss again great race. Again Sauber show superior strategy thinking.

Race results - 2010 European Formula 1 Grand Prix
Pos. Driver Team Time
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:40:29.571
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren +5.042
3. Jenson Button McLaren +12.658
4. Rubens Barrichello Williams +25.627
5. Robert Kubica Renault +27.122
6. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 +30.168
7. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber +30.965
8. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +32.809
9. Sebastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso +36.299
10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix +44.382

If Michael can achieve another good result in Valencia, he even have chance for 7th in WDC. Difference is 5 points. I hope so.

Edited by ivand911, 18 June 2011 - 07:06.


#10683 SeanValen

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 09:00

As far as I remember Schumacher had a terrible weekend and an awful race in Valencia last year. 15th place or something like this.


http://www.motorspor...onas_2010_5.php

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
“What a race. We would like to have clarification about the safety car situation as the red light on the exit from my first pit stop destroyed a race which otherwise would have offered us very good possibilities. Our point of view is that as the safety car had passed the pits without having the cars lined up behind it, there should not have been a red light. There was a green light for a moment and then suddenly it went red again. We believe that this was not correct. Our strategy was right in that context as we took the opportunity which could have given us a finish even close to the podium.

NORBERT HAUG
"Michael could have finished quite high today if the red light at the pit exit had not been switched on. This happened contrary to our understanding of the rules which say the pit exit remains open until a line has formed behind the safety car. That clearly was not the case as there was a gap of over 18 seconds behind Lewis Hamilton whilst Michael was in the pits. He would have fitted in this gap if the red light had not have made this impossible. So Michael´s race was ruined even though he posted quick lap times throughout the afternoon. Despite three pit stops and a long wait at the pit exit, he finished 6.5 seconds outside of the points. Nico had to look after his brakes throughout and was therefore handicapped. It’s been a weekend to forget for our team but we will be stronger soon.”




Alonso also got his race ruined by the safety car situation, one of those races where luck played a part, I had forgotton that if things went differently, Alonso and Schumacher would of had stronger results here last year, MS's race performance was better then expected but ashame the safety car spoiled the work for others. This was one of those weekends among others last year that didn't give MS the result to match the performance.

Edited by SeanValen, 18 June 2011 - 09:03.


#10684 ivand911

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 15:02

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 18:09

Nice pics Ivan, I hope we can see the same smile after Valencia! :cool:
How will the W02 handle the medium compound, prognoses?

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 18:42

Alonso also got his race ruined by the safety car situation, one of those races where luck played a part, I had forgotton that if things went differently, Alonso and Schumacher would of had stronger results here last year, MS's race performance was better then expected but ashame the safety car spoiled the work for others. This was one of those weekends among others last year that didn't give MS the result to match the performance.


I remember throwing something out the window after the race.

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 20:05

I think Michael finally start to bond with the car/tyres. From some races now. He will do OK in Valencia, he very like it from last year. Track is some combination between Monaco and Canada? He did well in both. I just wonder how he will manage exhaust ban? This will change car completely I think. Car will be different in corners. Will be worst for sure.

#10688 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 21:35

I think Michael finally start to bond with the car/tyres. From some races now. He will do OK in Valencia, he very like it from last year. Track is some combination between Monaco and Canada? He did well in both. I just wonder how he will manage exhaust ban? This will change car completely I think. Car will be different in corners. Will be worst for sure.


It will affect different cars differently. I think all the cars who use their exhaust-diffuser systems will suffer. It will reign in Red Bull for sure I think.

I don't think Mercedes have the best exahaust-blown diffuser system so it might affect them less than the others. First however I think they need to stop their tyre wear relative to the opposition.

#10689 Buttoneer

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 19:48

Deleted trolling from a troll. Found it myself, but it's far better if you guys report it. Please do that instead of replying.

#10690 ivand911

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 20:01

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M-IKEL is here. :p Check the comments.

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#10691 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 19:29

Nice, another big anti-Schumacher headline in Autosport.

#10692 arknor

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:21

Nice, another big anti-Schumacher headline in Autosport.

and on the website they have the headline

SCHUMACHER HITS BACK AT IRVINE


lol and what schumacher says is

"No, it is not," said Schumacher when asked if he is finding his return frustrating. "We know Eddie, he is always good for a nice sentence. It is okay."


it seems we arent the only ones who learned to ignore irvine

#10693 sharo

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:25

and on the website they have the headline

SCHUMACHER HITS BACK AT IRVINE


lol and what schumacher says is

it seems we arent the only ones who learned to ignore irvine

A very disappointing title selection to say the least. :well:


We have a saying: "Looking for a calf under the ox." :)

Edited by sharo, 23 June 2011 - 20:27.


#10694 arknor

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:27

A very disappointing title selection to say the least. :well:

its not even worth creating a headline for everyone knows the one liners irvine comes out with when hes asked about F1 i doubt he really cares about f1 or even bothers to keep upto date on the subject, he wasnt really thast intrested even when he was a driver for ferrari, he would rather be getting drunk and chasing after models

#10695 sharo

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:29

I actually like Eddie and his big mouth :)
But there's nothing in his words worth an article with a bombastic title.

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 23:55

yes, strange heading from autosport...this is how other publications have listed it (well in NZ anyway)

Schumacher laughs off Irvine slur


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 00:01

"Schumacher refuses to rise to our bait!"

#10698 BRK

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 00:53

Yeah, thought it was a weird headline when I read the article.


Now I'm not bashing autosport or anything, they're doing a great job with the up-to-date news and inside scoops (without them or Atlas and old newsgroups like F1SA I'd starve to death), but I think even the mag cover pages are now getting sillier every time I take a look: you could almost bet money on the outcome for that week being exactly the opposite to what the headlines scream out. :)

This week it's 'Why the prancing horse has gone lame and the Brit who's going to turn Ferrari around', so I have a weird feeling Ferrari might win this weekend and Pat Fry will announce they're shifting focus to next year's car.;) I say this despite my obvious dislike of the alonso brand of Ferrari fanaticism..

Edited by BRK, 24 June 2011 - 00:54.


#10699 Talisker

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:12

Old Eddie's so transparent. Schumacher used to beat him at Ferrari, therefore Eddie rationalised that by frequently stating that MS was on a completely different plane to all the other drivers, a god in fact, and therefore although Eddie was better than all the other drivers, he couldn't be expected to compete with MS, could he? But now MS hasn't been so spectacular, so Eddie has to emphasise his talent must have dropped dramatically and his current form in no way diminishes his previous god-like ability.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 14:12

Very promising FP2...

But:

Schumacher: Podium out of reach

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92567

Edited by Tarzaan, 24 June 2011 - 14:57.