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#10701 weston

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 17:21

Very promising FP2...

But:
Schumacher: Podium out of reach
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92567


Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.

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#10702 differential

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 17:53

Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.


:clap: . Jealousy, can anyone remember when Mike said something like this about Nico's performances? I only remember MSC praising him

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#10703 Poep

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 18:10

:clap: . Jealousy, can anyone remember when Mike said something like this about Nico's performances? I only remember MSC praising him

It's called having your heart on the right place. MS knows what team work is and lives it by the heart. Nico says publically he is a team player, but I doubt that's reality.

#10704 ivand911

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 18:11

Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.

This quote is from here:
Nico Rosberg keeping expectations in check despite strong Canadian GP
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92556


#10705 libano

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:04

This quote is from here:
Nico Rosberg keeping expectations in check despite strong Canadian GP
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92556



thanks for posting this. another quote totally taken out of context.

Edited by libano, 24 June 2011 - 20:05.


#10706 Sof1

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:11

It doesn't sound like Nico is saying anything negative about Schumi. It is taken completely out of context. All Nico is saying is the same as Shumi and that is the car is still lacking in performance.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:15

It doesn't sound like Nico is saying anything negative about Schumi. It is taken completely out of context. All Nico is saying is the same as Shumi and that is the car is still lacking in performance.


I actually saw it as a compliment to Michael's drive more than anything else - that the team shouldn't really think the car's speed had much to do with the result at all.

#10708 merschu

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:35

This picture currently doesn't have anything to do with this thread but I was going through some of my old CD's and found many pictures of Schumi and I really like this one.


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:39

This picture currently doesn't have anything to do with this thread but I was going through some of my old CD's and found many pictures of Schumi and I really like this one.


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That is :up:

#10710 Sevach

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 21:10

Schumacher looked feisty today :up:

But still, there 3 cars who are clearly better...

#10711 Raelene

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 21:35

From nigel roebuck. Definitely not an msc fan.

Through the ‘second’ segment of the race someone else excelled, too. Even more than Button, Michael Schumacher long enjoyed a reputation for supremacy in uncertain conditions, but since his comeback at the beginning of last season, there have been very few occasions when Schumacher reminded one of the driver he had been.

In dry qualifying at Montréal, Michael had – as usual – been outqualified by Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg, and he followed him, too, in the first segment of the race. When the deluge had abated, however, and the race restarted behind the safety car (with everyone on full wets), Schumacher dived into the pits as soon as Maylander pulled off and took on intermediates. Back in 12th place, in truth there was little to be lost, but his willingness to chance intermediates – and it was his decision to switch to them – was not only brave, but also inspired.

Over the next couple of laps the world and his wife came in for inters, but by then Michael was already enjoying the superiority of them. As others fell foul of the conditions, he began to move up, and his one-fell-swoop pass of the squabbling Massa and Kobayashi duo was pure Schumacher opportunism at its best.

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By lap 51, with 19 to the flag, he was up into second place, and it began to look as though he would make the podium for the first time since his return. On lap 58, though, there was yet another three-lap safety car period (after Heidfeld had clattered into a wall) which closed up the pack once more, and on top of that Charlie Whiting decided by lap 63 that conditions – there was a dry ‘line’ all round the track by now – were such that DRS (the ‘moveable’ rear wing) could be enabled for the first time in the race.

Although he fought hard, Schumacher in this situation was unable to resist both Button and Webber, so in the end he finished fourth, and just missed that podium. I don’t suggest that Michael will ever again be the driver he was – in the dry he simply isn’t quick enough any more – but on a day of tricky and uncertain conditions, when experience and guile had a major role to play, he gave us the first real reminder of the greatness that once was. Afterwards he chose to shrug it off, but I’ll warrant that inwardly Schumacher got more satisfaction from this day in Montréal than any other since the comeback.


#10712 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:09

Charlie Whiting decided by lap 63 that conditions – there was a dry ‘line’ all round the track by now – were such that DRS (the ‘moveable’ rear wing) could be enabled for the first time in the race.


poor journalism because hes dead wrong it wasnt the first time in the race DRS was enabled :rotfl:

The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

Edited by arknor, 25 June 2011 - 10:18.


#10713 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:13

poor journalism because hes dead wrong it wasnt the first time in the race DRS was enabled :rotfl:

Wasn't it?

#10714 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:15

Wasn't it?

no i just edited my post with the exact lap DRS was first used
The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

if you still have access to the race go check it out

Edited by arknor, 25 June 2011 - 10:16.


#10715 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:19

no i just edited my post with the exact lap DRS was first used
The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

if you still have access to the race go check it out

Completely missed that one. No access, but good to know :up:

#10716 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:04

Michael use it at the end of lap 44 when he overtake Heidfeld,he use it on both straights(which also surprised me). Starting Lap 45 he was ahead of NH. First when I saw it , I was like :WTF. Michael why you did it?? Why you use DRS? But, around third corner of lap 45 there was announcement that DRS is activated.

#10717 BRK

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:26

Yup, that's how I remember it as well. By now I think the DRS activation message that pops up on the screen is delayed, i.e. the device is activated before we're notified, hence the confusion.

#10718 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 12:12

Michael is losing to much in last sector.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:00

MS go out!!!!! :mad:

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:03.


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#10720 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:06

Michael is losing to much in last sector.

Guess he did again. Neither did a great lap tbh. .009 between them.

#10721 differential

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:08

0.009 separating him and Ros. Very close.

#10722 Tarzaan

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:10

Not bad. I think he will beat Nico after the Start. Maybe he can improve more positions in the first laps and avoid any ccollisions...


MS go out!!!!! :mad:



I think it would be good if he keep this set tyre...

Edited by Tarzaan, 25 June 2011 - 13:11.


#10723 sharo

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:12

Doesn't matter much really. Such times show only that both drivers are extracting the maximum (if not a tad more) from a dog of a car.

#10724 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:13

OMG OMG OMG what a HUGE gap of 0.009 seconds.

OMG Schumacher should just retire NOW!!!!

#10725 Urawa

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:13

The quali issue is non existent since Barceona, looks like a good trend. Keep it up :up:

#10726 BRK

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:14

Traffic was terrible today, got caught out way too many times. Wouldn't be surprised if a slower car had got in the way on his final run either.

#10727 differential

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:15

Lets just fast-forward to next year.... its painful to watch the two drive this shit car. We will struggle big time tomorrow I can feel it.

Edited by differential, 25 June 2011 - 13:17.


#10728 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:21

Not bad. I think he will beat Nico after the Start. Maybe he can improve more positions in the first laps and avoid any ccollisions...
I think it would be good if he keep this set tyre...

Maybe, after NH return back to the pit(I think LRGP did it on purpose, to finish another MS tyre set). I wanted him to go out when they were 4 siting in the pit. But, good job from him, did the best work. So, me happy. :wave:

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:24.


#10729 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:26

Lets just fast-forward to next year.... its painful to watch the two drive this shit car. We will struggle big time tomorrow I can feel it.

i bet neither of them feel that motivated.. the teams just seem to give up unless they start the year with the perfect car...

#10730 Aloisioitaly

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:37

One more time, crappy strategy from brawn. What was the difference for schu in being 7th or 8th on the grid tomorrow? None! He should have stayed at pits and save his tyres. Even an idiot should have known this was the only logical choice.

#10731 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:39

One more time, crappy strategy from brawn. What was the difference for schu in being 7th or 8th on the grid tomorrow? None! He should have stayed at pits and save his tyres. Even an idiot should have known this was the only logical choice.

They reacted to Heidfeld going out maybe. They didn't want to lose place from him. But, Heidfeld did only one lap and get back to the pit. Maybe then MS have to come back too.

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:55.


#10732 LiJu914

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:52

They reacted to Heidfeld going out maybe. They didn't want to lose place from him. But, he did only one lap.



But he has to start on soft tires.

LRGP can choose whatever they want and could benefit from that.....just remember their Barcelona-Race: One more lap and Heidfeld would´ve passed both MGP, despite starting from last place (now he´s 9th).



#10733 Urawa

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:08

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

Edited by Urawa, 25 June 2011 - 14:09.


#10734 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:15

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

I feel so too. He'll hopefully get Nico and a couple of guys at the start, but I can't see him finish in front of anyone in front of him on the grid except Nico.

#10735 BRK

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:24

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?

Edited by BRK, 25 June 2011 - 14:26.


#10736 Poep

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:03

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

Yes, He saidf he would have nailed Nico's time if it hadn't been for that correction in turn 17. MS is on a roll. He is showing us for 4 weeknd now that if the circumstances let him demonstrate, Nico does not have the edge over him. As a matter of fact, taking into account their race performance, MS has the edge over Nico. :up:

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:18

I'm sad about today's performance. When I saw the time nico set, I thought that michael could really make it this time. then again a small mistake prevents him from beating his teammate. Sure it's not that important because they're gonna finish down there anyway tomorrow, but it's still a shame.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:46

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?

I thought he mean good results from new exhaust from aero tunnel. Could be. I don't believe anymore that this team can and will build race winning car. So, I just savour every good thing/moment/skill MS show on the track. :rolleyes: It is GAME OVER for big MGP hopes.

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 15:50.


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Posted 25 June 2011 - 16:18

It does appear that Michael has got to grips with it finally. Now we'll see if he can continue the momentum and start being ahead of his teammate like years gone by. That being said, the car is still very much the main issue now .. no longer can anyone blame Michael as being the reason they aren't scoring points or qualifying higher up. All the blame now lies soley on Ross and Co. If they don't start getting it sorted out, goodbye 2012 as well. There is no such thing as a complete redevelopment working out. It's a continual evolution and philosophy of design.. if they don't get a solid base to work with soon.. and I mean by end of July.. 2012 is going to be another very very long year.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 19:56

MGP needs miracle on four wheels in March 2012 to keep Michael signing for 2013.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:02

sadly Mercedec are still at the same performance level as Brawn was in second half of 2009 (bottom half of top 10). They start to remind me Sauber in the 1990's.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:08

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?



Yeah! What's up with dropping that comment? No follow-up and no interest from reporters? AND- What's up with the DHL car delivery and doing NOTHING with it?
Coverage stinks lately- almost like theres no interest and they don't ask things they should and their constantly getting things wrong like who's qualifying on which tire. I was glad to see the new graphic that shows what each driver is running but the commentating seems lacking.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:24

http://www.totalf1.c...continues_2012/
Brawn said, that it is not yet decided if MS stays for 2012 or not, but it will be Michael, who will decide(his option)

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:38

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Ross Brawn Q&A - Mercedes still targeting P3
http://www.formula1....11/6/12203.html
Q: You have been given plenty of advice lately to abandon the 2011 season. You don’t appear to be a person to abandon anything, least of all a Formula One season, so what are you going to do with 2011?
RB: I really don’t know where all this talk came from. Naturally we are working on next year’s car - but so is everybody. And in our case it is not one hundred percent next year and zero percent this year because the rules don’t change that dramatically next year, so what you learn this year is also relevant for next year. We are in fact working very hard on this year’s car and over the next few races there will be some new things that we want to try that will be relevant for this year and next year. So no way have we stopped with this year’s car because if you are doing a new car it doesn’t mean that it is a faster car. And when we do the new car we will introduce the improvements that we find now into next year’s car.





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Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:42

Ross Brawn on MS

The Mercedes GP boss pointed out, “I think he has got one of the best records this year for people gaining positions in the first few laps. An opportunity developed for him to show what he has been doing all the time and what we have been seeing all the time and I think for both drivers (is) if we can give them the right car they will both succeed.”


Edited by nateshan, 26 June 2011 - 03:43.


#10746 marchi-91

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:26

I wonder if Redbull would have a flirt with Michael for one year. He and Vettel are great friends and I doubt there would be any animosity between the two to duke it out. It would be like the f1 equivalent of Skaife and Lowdnes for HRT in the late 90's. Perhaps he could bring Mercedes Engines with him.

Edited by marchi-91, 26 June 2011 - 04:28.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:07

http://www.totalf1.c...continues_2012/
Brawn said, that it is not yet decided if MS stays for 2012 or not, but it will be Michael, who will decide(his option)


If he can continue his current form then he will probably stay. If he is driving at a similar level to Rosberg, as he is atm, then the only reason he has to leave is that he believes the team isn't going to achieve success. However I don't think he would do that to Brawn.

#10748 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:23

If he can continue his current form then he will probably stay. If he is driving at a similar level to Rosberg, as he is atm, then the only reason he has to leave is that he believes the team isn't going to achieve success. However I don't think he would do that to Brawn.

Yea im sure he won't leave out on Brawn, their partnership is too strong for that.

#10749 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:25

sadly Mercedec are still at the same performance level as Brawn was in second half of 2009 (bottom half of top 10). They start to remind me Sauber in the 1990's.


To an extent yes but the reason is different: Brawn couldn't keep up with development (money/staff), whereas the W02 has fundamental problems.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:39

To an extent yes but the reason is different: Brawn couldn't keep up with development (money/staff), whereas the W02 has fundamental problems.


The team has fundamental problems.