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#10701 ivand911

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 06:18

More that slightly misleading.
He was third for one lap when everyone ahead had pitted and he had not. He was running in P10 prior to that.

So? Michael needed one pit stop only , he could stop 6-7 laps before the end of the race, he was on hard tyres. Like Koba did, and he was behind Michael 4th. Koba finish 7th in the end. Michael with his faster car could easily finish 4th-6th , where difference was only 5 seconds. You remember Koba with new tyres overtaking Alonso and Buemi? So, Michael in every case could finish ahead of 7th place? When they could restart the race Michael would have free air behind Lewis. Where my estimate for 5-7th is wrong? But, team decided to pit him late and with wrong timing when he didn't needed to. And he saw how all cars pass him in the pit under red signal. So, he was third for more than 1 lap, and he could easily stay there if he wanted. Yeah, we miss again great race. Again Sauber show superior strategy thinking.

Race results - 2010 European Formula 1 Grand Prix
Pos. Driver Team Time
1. Sebastian Vettel Red Bull 1:40:29.571
2. Lewis Hamilton McLaren +5.042
3. Jenson Button McLaren +12.658
4. Rubens Barrichello Williams +25.627
5. Robert Kubica Renault +27.122
6. Adrian Sutil Force India F1 +30.168
7. Kamui Kobayashi Sauber +30.965
8. Fernando Alonso Ferrari +32.809
9. Sebastien Buemi Scuderia Toro Rosso +36.299
10. Nico Rosberg Mercedes Grand Prix +44.382

If Michael can achieve another good result in Valencia, he even have chance for 7th in WDC. Difference is 5 points. I hope so.

Edited by ivand911, 18 June 2011 - 07:06.


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#10702 SeanValen

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 09:00

As far as I remember Schumacher had a terrible weekend and an awful race in Valencia last year. 15th place or something like this.


http://www.motorspor...onas_2010_5.php

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER
“What a race. We would like to have clarification about the safety car situation as the red light on the exit from my first pit stop destroyed a race which otherwise would have offered us very good possibilities. Our point of view is that as the safety car had passed the pits without having the cars lined up behind it, there should not have been a red light. There was a green light for a moment and then suddenly it went red again. We believe that this was not correct. Our strategy was right in that context as we took the opportunity which could have given us a finish even close to the podium.

NORBERT HAUG
"Michael could have finished quite high today if the red light at the pit exit had not been switched on. This happened contrary to our understanding of the rules which say the pit exit remains open until a line has formed behind the safety car. That clearly was not the case as there was a gap of over 18 seconds behind Lewis Hamilton whilst Michael was in the pits. He would have fitted in this gap if the red light had not have made this impossible. So Michael´s race was ruined even though he posted quick lap times throughout the afternoon. Despite three pit stops and a long wait at the pit exit, he finished 6.5 seconds outside of the points. Nico had to look after his brakes throughout and was therefore handicapped. It’s been a weekend to forget for our team but we will be stronger soon.”




Alonso also got his race ruined by the safety car situation, one of those races where luck played a part, I had forgotton that if things went differently, Alonso and Schumacher would of had stronger results here last year, MS's race performance was better then expected but ashame the safety car spoiled the work for others. This was one of those weekends among others last year that didn't give MS the result to match the performance.

Edited by SeanValen, 18 June 2011 - 09:03.


#10703 ivand911

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 15:02

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#10704 Pits

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 18:09

Nice pics Ivan, I hope we can see the same smile after Valencia! :cool:
How will the W02 handle the medium compound, prognoses?

#10705 weston

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 18:42

Alonso also got his race ruined by the safety car situation, one of those races where luck played a part, I had forgotton that if things went differently, Alonso and Schumacher would of had stronger results here last year, MS's race performance was better then expected but ashame the safety car spoiled the work for others. This was one of those weekends among others last year that didn't give MS the result to match the performance.


I remember throwing something out the window after the race.

#10706 ivand911

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 20:05

I think Michael finally start to bond with the car/tyres. From some races now. He will do OK in Valencia, he very like it from last year. Track is some combination between Monaco and Canada? He did well in both. I just wonder how he will manage exhaust ban? This will change car completely I think. Car will be different in corners. Will be worst for sure.

#10707 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 18 June 2011 - 21:35

I think Michael finally start to bond with the car/tyres. From some races now. He will do OK in Valencia, he very like it from last year. Track is some combination between Monaco and Canada? He did well in both. I just wonder how he will manage exhaust ban? This will change car completely I think. Car will be different in corners. Will be worst for sure.


It will affect different cars differently. I think all the cars who use their exhaust-diffuser systems will suffer. It will reign in Red Bull for sure I think.

I don't think Mercedes have the best exahaust-blown diffuser system so it might affect them less than the others. First however I think they need to stop their tyre wear relative to the opposition.

#10708 Buttoneer

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Posted 21 June 2011 - 19:48

Deleted trolling from a troll. Found it myself, but it's far better if you guys report it. Please do that instead of replying.

#10709 ivand911

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Posted 22 June 2011 - 20:01

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M-IKEL is here. :p Check the comments.

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#10710 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 19:29

Nice, another big anti-Schumacher headline in Autosport.

#10711 arknor

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:21

Nice, another big anti-Schumacher headline in Autosport.

and on the website they have the headline

SCHUMACHER HITS BACK AT IRVINE


lol and what schumacher says is

"No, it is not," said Schumacher when asked if he is finding his return frustrating. "We know Eddie, he is always good for a nice sentence. It is okay."


it seems we arent the only ones who learned to ignore irvine

#10712 sharo

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:25

and on the website they have the headline

SCHUMACHER HITS BACK AT IRVINE


lol and what schumacher says is

it seems we arent the only ones who learned to ignore irvine

A very disappointing title selection to say the least. :well:


We have a saying: "Looking for a calf under the ox." :)

Edited by sharo, 23 June 2011 - 20:27.


#10713 arknor

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:27

A very disappointing title selection to say the least. :well:

its not even worth creating a headline for everyone knows the one liners irvine comes out with when hes asked about F1 i doubt he really cares about f1 or even bothers to keep upto date on the subject, he wasnt really thast intrested even when he was a driver for ferrari, he would rather be getting drunk and chasing after models

#10714 sharo

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 20:29

I actually like Eddie and his big mouth :)
But there's nothing in his words worth an article with a bombastic title.

#10715 Raelene

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Posted 23 June 2011 - 23:55

yes, strange heading from autosport...this is how other publications have listed it (well in NZ anyway)

Schumacher laughs off Irvine slur


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 00:01

"Schumacher refuses to rise to our bait!"

#10717 BRK

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 00:53

Yeah, thought it was a weird headline when I read the article.


Now I'm not bashing autosport or anything, they're doing a great job with the up-to-date news and inside scoops (without them or Atlas and old newsgroups like F1SA I'd starve to death), but I think even the mag cover pages are now getting sillier every time I take a look: you could almost bet money on the outcome for that week being exactly the opposite to what the headlines scream out. :)

This week it's 'Why the prancing horse has gone lame and the Brit who's going to turn Ferrari around', so I have a weird feeling Ferrari might win this weekend and Pat Fry will announce they're shifting focus to next year's car.;) I say this despite my obvious dislike of the alonso brand of Ferrari fanaticism..

Edited by BRK, 24 June 2011 - 00:54.


#10718 Talisker

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 01:12

Old Eddie's so transparent. Schumacher used to beat him at Ferrari, therefore Eddie rationalised that by frequently stating that MS was on a completely different plane to all the other drivers, a god in fact, and therefore although Eddie was better than all the other drivers, he couldn't be expected to compete with MS, could he? But now MS hasn't been so spectacular, so Eddie has to emphasise his talent must have dropped dramatically and his current form in no way diminishes his previous god-like ability.

#10719 Tarzaan

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 14:12

Very promising FP2...

But:

Schumacher: Podium out of reach

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92567

Edited by Tarzaan, 24 June 2011 - 14:57.


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#10720 weston

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 17:21

Very promising FP2...

But:
Schumacher: Podium out of reach
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92567


Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.

#10721 differential

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 17:53

Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.


:clap: . Jealousy, can anyone remember when Mike said something like this about Nico's performances? I only remember MSC praising him

Edited by differential, 24 June 2011 - 17:54.


#10722 Poep

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 18:10

:clap: . Jealousy, can anyone remember when Mike said something like this about Nico's performances? I only remember MSC praising him

It's called having your heart on the right place. MS knows what team work is and lives it by the heart. Nico says publically he is a team player, but I doubt that's reality.

#10723 ivand911

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 18:11

Rosberg: "Mercedes GP should not get too carried away with Michael Schumacher's strong showing in Canada a fortnight ago"

Cool.

This quote is from here:
Nico Rosberg keeping expectations in check despite strong Canadian GP
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92556


#10724 libano

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:04

This quote is from here:
Nico Rosberg keeping expectations in check despite strong Canadian GP
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/92556



thanks for posting this. another quote totally taken out of context.

Edited by libano, 24 June 2011 - 20:05.


#10725 Sof1

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:11

It doesn't sound like Nico is saying anything negative about Schumi. It is taken completely out of context. All Nico is saying is the same as Shumi and that is the car is still lacking in performance.

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:15

It doesn't sound like Nico is saying anything negative about Schumi. It is taken completely out of context. All Nico is saying is the same as Shumi and that is the car is still lacking in performance.


I actually saw it as a compliment to Michael's drive more than anything else - that the team shouldn't really think the car's speed had much to do with the result at all.

#10727 merschu

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:35

This picture currently doesn't have anything to do with this thread but I was going through some of my old CD's and found many pictures of Schumi and I really like this one.


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Posted 24 June 2011 - 20:39

This picture currently doesn't have anything to do with this thread but I was going through some of my old CD's and found many pictures of Schumi and I really like this one.


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That is :up:

#10729 Sevach

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 21:10

Schumacher looked feisty today :up:

But still, there 3 cars who are clearly better...

#10730 Raelene

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Posted 24 June 2011 - 21:35

From nigel roebuck. Definitely not an msc fan.

Through the ‘second’ segment of the race someone else excelled, too. Even more than Button, Michael Schumacher long enjoyed a reputation for supremacy in uncertain conditions, but since his comeback at the beginning of last season, there have been very few occasions when Schumacher reminded one of the driver he had been.

In dry qualifying at Montréal, Michael had – as usual – been outqualified by Mercedes team-mate Nico Rosberg, and he followed him, too, in the first segment of the race. When the deluge had abated, however, and the race restarted behind the safety car (with everyone on full wets), Schumacher dived into the pits as soon as Maylander pulled off and took on intermediates. Back in 12th place, in truth there was little to be lost, but his willingness to chance intermediates – and it was his decision to switch to them – was not only brave, but also inspired.

Over the next couple of laps the world and his wife came in for inters, but by then Michael was already enjoying the superiority of them. As others fell foul of the conditions, he began to move up, and his one-fell-swoop pass of the squabbling Massa and Kobayashi duo was pure Schumacher opportunism at its best.

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By lap 51, with 19 to the flag, he was up into second place, and it began to look as though he would make the podium for the first time since his return. On lap 58, though, there was yet another three-lap safety car period (after Heidfeld had clattered into a wall) which closed up the pack once more, and on top of that Charlie Whiting decided by lap 63 that conditions – there was a dry ‘line’ all round the track by now – were such that DRS (the ‘moveable’ rear wing) could be enabled for the first time in the race.

Although he fought hard, Schumacher in this situation was unable to resist both Button and Webber, so in the end he finished fourth, and just missed that podium. I don’t suggest that Michael will ever again be the driver he was – in the dry he simply isn’t quick enough any more – but on a day of tricky and uncertain conditions, when experience and guile had a major role to play, he gave us the first real reminder of the greatness that once was. Afterwards he chose to shrug it off, but I’ll warrant that inwardly Schumacher got more satisfaction from this day in Montréal than any other since the comeback.


#10731 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:09

Charlie Whiting decided by lap 63 that conditions – there was a dry ‘line’ all round the track by now – were such that DRS (the ‘moveable’ rear wing) could be enabled for the first time in the race.


poor journalism because hes dead wrong it wasnt the first time in the race DRS was enabled :rotfl:

The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

Edited by arknor, 25 June 2011 - 10:18.


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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:13

poor journalism because hes dead wrong it wasnt the first time in the race DRS was enabled :rotfl:

Wasn't it?

#10733 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:15

Wasn't it?

no i just edited my post with the exact lap DRS was first used
The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

if you still have access to the race go check it out

Edited by arknor, 25 June 2011 - 10:16.


#10734 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 10:19

no i just edited my post with the exact lap DRS was first used
The DRS was enabled on Lap 45, you can see Massa and Schumacher using it. The notification came up on screen a few moments later on lap 46

if you still have access to the race go check it out

Completely missed that one. No access, but good to know :up:

#10735 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:04

Michael use it at the end of lap 44 when he overtake Heidfeld,he use it on both straights(which also surprised me). Starting Lap 45 he was ahead of NH. First when I saw it , I was like :WTF. Michael why you did it?? Why you use DRS? But, around third corner of lap 45 there was announcement that DRS is activated.

#10736 BRK

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 11:26

Yup, that's how I remember it as well. By now I think the DRS activation message that pops up on the screen is delayed, i.e. the device is activated before we're notified, hence the confusion.

#10737 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 12:12

Michael is losing to much in last sector.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:00

MS go out!!!!! :mad:

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:03.


#10739 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:06

Michael is losing to much in last sector.

Guess he did again. Neither did a great lap tbh. .009 between them.

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#10740 differential

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:08

0.009 separating him and Ros. Very close.

#10741 Tarzaan

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:10

Not bad. I think he will beat Nico after the Start. Maybe he can improve more positions in the first laps and avoid any ccollisions...


MS go out!!!!! :mad:



I think it would be good if he keep this set tyre...

Edited by Tarzaan, 25 June 2011 - 13:11.


#10742 sharo

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:12

Doesn't matter much really. Such times show only that both drivers are extracting the maximum (if not a tad more) from a dog of a car.

#10743 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:13

OMG OMG OMG what a HUGE gap of 0.009 seconds.

OMG Schumacher should just retire NOW!!!!

#10744 Urawa

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:13

The quali issue is non existent since Barceona, looks like a good trend. Keep it up :up:

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:14

Traffic was terrible today, got caught out way too many times. Wouldn't be surprised if a slower car had got in the way on his final run either.

#10746 differential

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:15

Lets just fast-forward to next year.... its painful to watch the two drive this shit car. We will struggle big time tomorrow I can feel it.

Edited by differential, 25 June 2011 - 13:17.


#10747 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:21

Not bad. I think he will beat Nico after the Start. Maybe he can improve more positions in the first laps and avoid any ccollisions...
I think it would be good if he keep this set tyre...

Maybe, after NH return back to the pit(I think LRGP did it on purpose, to finish another MS tyre set). I wanted him to go out when they were 4 siting in the pit. But, good job from him, did the best work. So, me happy. :wave:

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:24.


#10748 arknor

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:26

Lets just fast-forward to next year.... its painful to watch the two drive this shit car. We will struggle big time tomorrow I can feel it.

i bet neither of them feel that motivated.. the teams just seem to give up unless they start the year with the perfect car...

#10749 Aloisioitaly

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:37

One more time, crappy strategy from brawn. What was the difference for schu in being 7th or 8th on the grid tomorrow? None! He should have stayed at pits and save his tyres. Even an idiot should have known this was the only logical choice.

#10750 ivand911

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:39

One more time, crappy strategy from brawn. What was the difference for schu in being 7th or 8th on the grid tomorrow? None! He should have stayed at pits and save his tyres. Even an idiot should have known this was the only logical choice.

They reacted to Heidfeld going out maybe. They didn't want to lose place from him. But, Heidfeld did only one lap and get back to the pit. Maybe then MS have to come back too.

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 13:55.