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#10751 mkoscevic

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:39

To an extent yes but the reason is different: Brawn couldn't keep up with development (money/staff), whereas the W02 has fundamental problems.


The team has fundamental problems.

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#10752 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:46

The team has fundamental problems.


:confused:

elaborate please. There are some teams with fundamental problems, IMHO Merc is not one of them. Post your answer in the Merc thread by the way, it's the MS thread.

#10753 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 11:59

MS on dirty side! :rolleyes:

#10754 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:31

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

#10755 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:33

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

Amateur hour by the MGP team again, sack that stupid team strategist.


#10756 Spa95

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:35

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

Yep, two laps after Rosberg, while Sutil and Heidfeld were already on fresh tyres. They could've easily pitted him a lap after Rosberg and still keep the position.

Edited by Spa95, 26 June 2011 - 12:35.


#10757 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:35

No reason to keep him out for so long.

And Petrov is a moron.

#10758 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:36

MS leave this LOSERS.

#10759 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:42

The explanation for this bullshit should be interesting. LH absolutely obliterated Michael on his outlap.

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#10760 CSF

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:42

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

Edited by CSF, 26 June 2011 - 12:43.


#10761 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:45

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

I doubt that. They just needed to pit MS next lap after NR and he would come out ahead of Petrov.

Edited by ivand911, 26 June 2011 - 12:45.


#10762 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:47

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

he didnt stay out anywhere near enough for a 2 stopper :rotfl: they clearly didnt want to risk nico having a slow outlap and msc jumping ahead so made sure nico had a gap

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:47

I doubt that. They just needed to pit MS next lap after NR and he would come out ahead of Petrov.

It was a mistake from MGP to keep him out too long, yeah, but I don't think Petrov could've done much to avoid it. There's not a lot of room there and MSC was locking his wheels to avoid. That's a racing incident, too bad. Onto Silverstone.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:52

It was a mistake from MGP to keep him out too long, yeah, but I don't think Petrov could've done much to avoid it. There's not a lot of room there and MSC was locking his wheels to avoid. That's a racing incident, too bad. Onto Silverstone.


Yep. Just box him now and save yourself some gearboxes.

#10765 Spa95

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:52

Did they change his tyres during the front wing change?

He's going quite well now...

#10766 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:54

Did they change his tyres during the front wing change?

He's going quite well now...

not that i saw , they would only have been 1 lap old anyway so why bother if he didnt flat spot them

Edited by arknor, 26 June 2011 - 12:54.


#10767 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:56

I think they changed tyres to soft again.


#10768 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:00

MSC now on a "2-stopper"? IIRC he's on Softs and didn't change during the 2nd pit.

Ahh pits as I type. On Mediums?

Edited by DutchCruijff, 26 June 2011 - 13:01.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:01

he didnt stay out anywhere near enough for a 2 stopper :rotfl: they clearly didnt want to risk nico having a slow outlap and msc jumping ahead so made sure nico had a gap


Note I said "trying". Looked like he hit the cliff on that lap as he even had oversteer in the kink leading onto the DRS zone. :lol:

#10770 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:03

Note I said "trying". Looked like he hit the cliff on that lap as he even had oversteer in the kink leading onto the DRS zone. :lol:

merc were never going to be able to do a 2 stopper they eat the tyres like crazy every race probably the worst team for tyre wear

#10771 vovelo

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:10

OfficialMGP #F1 Nico now 2.5s behind ALG. Michael is P17 on the medium tyres

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:14

Michael better stop race now. There isn't point anymore. Save engine and gearbox.

#10773 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:20

Michael better stop race now. There isn't point anymore. Save engine and gearbox.

yea no point if others are still on the softer compound... just wasting energy

#10774 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:32

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

#10775 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:34

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

yea i would have like to have saw it again or from a better angle it looked like schumacher was expected to drive straight across the kerb without a single wheel on the track

Edited by arknor, 26 June 2011 - 13:35.


#10776 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:44

It seemed similar in a sense to the last Petrov incident Schumi had, but it was foolish to push nonetheless, he was on soft and Petrov on hard, would've been an easy pass in the same lap - or a few laps later.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:47

That front wing clip pretty much decided his race, the entire field was more or less static and there wasn't much Michael could have done, only highlight was the pass on Maldonado.

Got to move on and look forward to a circuit where passing is actually possible.

#10778 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:50

Seemed MSC was too eager to get ahead of Petrov, carried too much speed into the corner, locked up whilst Petrov left him no space and almost expected him to grind to a halt.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:57

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

racing incident, come on :)

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:04

racing incident, come on :)

True, but the young Russian should learn a bit. Later he almost did the same as to Schumacher in Turkey against Kobayashi. The latter reacted better and avoided the crash at a hair thick distance.

#10781 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:11

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

#10782 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:14

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:15

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.


Nope, Michael locked his inside wheel. That's not Petrovs fault.

Edit: BBC replays showed that Petrov didn't go for the apex, never made the inside kerb and room was given. Schumacher in the end locked both brakes.

Hopefully, that should put that to bed if we're all sensible.

Edited by Disgrace, 26 June 2011 - 14:22.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:18

i can't understand why on earth they always screw michael's strategies. what was the point of wainting 1 lap more to pit him? he came in the traffic because of that. endless pointless calls by brawn and co.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:20

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

100% agree on this

just a bit too eager, simple mistake.
the thing is that he threw away what? 1 point? :)
it's not like the car would have allowed him a great race and he lost a big opportunity here

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:23

After the false dawn of Canada back to the impetuous, clumsy Schumacher of his post comeback. Bad weekend and a shame to see.

#10787 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:24

1.His wheel was still on the line
2. Yes, he was too eager but in fairness in the spur of the moment if the gap is there...
3. I still feel Petrov should have left him more space

#10788 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:27

Looking at BBC I think Michael accepted the all the fault? But, why EJ say that he was blaming the tyres? And making excuses.

Edited by ivand911, 26 June 2011 - 14:28.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:28

He could've slowed a bit and let Petrov pass, Petrov could've given him more room. Still a mistake, just rounds up a bad race overall, the strategy and the fact that passing or even closing up on the car ahead is stupidly difficult here exacerbated things.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

After the false dawn of Canada back to the impetuous, clumsy Schumacher of his post comeback. Bad weekend and a shame to see.

bad weekend/ what are you on? is it painful?#

the mgp guys were on the same pace. one move doesn't make a bad weekend

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.


Just to make it clear, if you look at the times you'll see that if anything, they should have kept him out for another lap.

Here's the gap between ROS and PET before the PIT (lap 12):

Lap 11: 20.470

Here's the gap between MSC and PET between laps 11 and 13, before the PIT (lap 14), and the time he gained in paranthesis:

Lap 11: 17.328 (+1.3)
Lap 12: 18.615 (+1.3)
Lap 13: 19.147 (+0.5)

So there you have it, they did make a mistake with Michael's pit call, but it wasn't that they did not call him earlier, it was that they did not keep him out for another lap.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

He took the blame, that´s it.
Strange strategy call too.
Pace of the car on the level of Toro Rosso/FI can´t be what they dreamed of, rain for Silverstone might open the window for a better result

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:33

Oh well, look at the bright side, at least he managed to overtake a Force India when he had a broken front wing...that was pretty funny...hehe... :|

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 15:49

one move doesn't make a bad weekend

Yes it can, and in this case did.



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Posted 26 June 2011 - 16:48

Looking at BBC I think Michael accepted the all the fault? But, why EJ say that he was blaming the tyres? And making excuses.


It's EJ...he's off this trolley.

#10796 merschu

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:12

Darren Heath: Behaving just like one of the forum trolls here! Read his twitter post

Just walked out #F1 Paddock behind #Schumacher Not many behind him in race during a good solid run to.....17th. 7x champs should know better


http://twitter.com/#!/F1Photographer/s...017555642748928

And this guy had nothing to say after the Canadian GP!

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:24

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.

The main problem is that Shumi has a severe disability when he's around other cars. He has a tendency to run into people around him and always had, and when he does, he usually gets away with it. I find it amazing, to be honest.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:31

Shity race on a horrible track.

Let's hope that the updates work because 2 sec behind leaders on race pace is disastrous.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:33

bad weekend/ what are you on? is it painful?#

the mgp guys were on the same pace. one move doesn't make a bad weekend


17th place and another stupid collision counts as a bad, but all too typical, weekend.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:36

Guys it doesn't really matter what the guys do on track right now, the car is really crap. Lets just save our energy for the W03.