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#10751 LiJu914

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 13:52

They reacted to Heidfeld going out maybe. They didn't want to lose place from him. But, he did only one lap.



But he has to start on soft tires.

LRGP can choose whatever they want and could benefit from that.....just remember their Barcelona-Race: One more lap and Heidfeld would´ve passed both MGP, despite starting from last place (now he´s 9th).



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#10752 Urawa

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:08

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

Edited by Urawa, 25 June 2011 - 14:09.


#10753 Augurk

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:15

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

I feel so too. He'll hopefully get Nico and a couple of guys at the start, but I can't see him finish in front of anyone in front of him on the grid except Nico.

#10754 BRK

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 14:24

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?

Edited by BRK, 25 June 2011 - 14:26.


#10755 Poep

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:03

Interview:

- small moment in turn 17, too much understeering
- doesn´t really matter if it´s 7th, 8th oder 9th in qualifying, the team is at no man's land at the moment. Nothing to gain in front and an advantage to those behind
- no new parts at the moment but they´ll arrive in near future, that´s where the team pins their hopes at.

Yes, He saidf he would have nailed Nico's time if it hadn't been for that correction in turn 17. MS is on a roll. He is showing us for 4 weeknd now that if the circumstances let him demonstrate, Nico does not have the edge over him. As a matter of fact, taking into account their race performance, MS has the edge over Nico. :up:

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:18

I'm sad about today's performance. When I saw the time nico set, I thought that michael could really make it this time. then again a small mistake prevents him from beating his teammate. Sure it's not that important because they're gonna finish down there anyway tomorrow, but it's still a shame.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 15:46

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?

I thought he mean good results from new exhaust from aero tunnel. Could be. I don't believe anymore that this team can and will build race winning car. So, I just savour every good thing/moment/skill MS show on the track. :rolleyes: It is GAME OVER for big MGP hopes.

Edited by ivand911, 25 June 2011 - 15:50.


#10758 Paco

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 16:18

It does appear that Michael has got to grips with it finally. Now we'll see if he can continue the momentum and start being ahead of his teammate like years gone by. That being said, the car is still very much the main issue now .. no longer can anyone blame Michael as being the reason they aren't scoring points or qualifying higher up. All the blame now lies soley on Ross and Co. If they don't start getting it sorted out, goodbye 2012 as well. There is no such thing as a complete redevelopment working out. It's a continual evolution and philosophy of design.. if they don't get a solid base to work with soon.. and I mean by end of July.. 2012 is going to be another very very long year.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 19:56

MGP needs miracle on four wheels in March 2012 to keep Michael signing for 2013.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:02

sadly Mercedec are still at the same performance level as Brawn was in second half of 2009 (bottom half of top 10). They start to remind me Sauber in the 1990's.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:08

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Edit: meanwhile what is the bit of good news that Ross mentioned yesterday? A new engine deal? New deal with MS and NR? Or just the off-throttle reg going through?



Yeah! What's up with dropping that comment? No follow-up and no interest from reporters? AND- What's up with the DHL car delivery and doing NOTHING with it?
Coverage stinks lately- almost like theres no interest and they don't ask things they should and their constantly getting things wrong like who's qualifying on which tire. I was glad to see the new graphic that shows what each driver is running but the commentating seems lacking.

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Posted 25 June 2011 - 20:24

http://www.totalf1.c...continues_2012/
Brawn said, that it is not yet decided if MS stays for 2012 or not, but it will be Michael, who will decide(his option)

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 01:38

Hasn't the team already announced they've shifted focus to next year's car? That would explain why MS isn't that bothered, I share the sentiment. It's all a wasted effort anyway, from the perspective of the team I'd rather they did just enough to not lose ground, and instead focussed their energies on delivering the class package that is to be the W03.

Ross Brawn Q&A - Mercedes still targeting P3
http://www.formula1....11/6/12203.html
Q: You have been given plenty of advice lately to abandon the 2011 season. You don’t appear to be a person to abandon anything, least of all a Formula One season, so what are you going to do with 2011?
RB: I really don’t know where all this talk came from. Naturally we are working on next year’s car - but so is everybody. And in our case it is not one hundred percent next year and zero percent this year because the rules don’t change that dramatically next year, so what you learn this year is also relevant for next year. We are in fact working very hard on this year’s car and over the next few races there will be some new things that we want to try that will be relevant for this year and next year. So no way have we stopped with this year’s car because if you are doing a new car it doesn’t mean that it is a faster car. And when we do the new car we will introduce the improvements that we find now into next year’s car.





#10764 nateshan

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 03:42

Ross Brawn on MS

The Mercedes GP boss pointed out, “I think he has got one of the best records this year for people gaining positions in the first few laps. An opportunity developed for him to show what he has been doing all the time and what we have been seeing all the time and I think for both drivers (is) if we can give them the right car they will both succeed.”


Edited by nateshan, 26 June 2011 - 03:43.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 04:26

I wonder if Redbull would have a flirt with Michael for one year. He and Vettel are great friends and I doubt there would be any animosity between the two to duke it out. It would be like the f1 equivalent of Skaife and Lowdnes for HRT in the late 90's. Perhaps he could bring Mercedes Engines with him.

Edited by marchi-91, 26 June 2011 - 04:28.


#10766 eoin

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:07

http://www.totalf1.c...continues_2012/
Brawn said, that it is not yet decided if MS stays for 2012 or not, but it will be Michael, who will decide(his option)


If he can continue his current form then he will probably stay. If he is driving at a similar level to Rosberg, as he is atm, then the only reason he has to leave is that he believes the team isn't going to achieve success. However I don't think he would do that to Brawn.

#10767 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 09:23

If he can continue his current form then he will probably stay. If he is driving at a similar level to Rosberg, as he is atm, then the only reason he has to leave is that he believes the team isn't going to achieve success. However I don't think he would do that to Brawn.

Yea im sure he won't leave out on Brawn, their partnership is too strong for that.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:25

sadly Mercedec are still at the same performance level as Brawn was in second half of 2009 (bottom half of top 10). They start to remind me Sauber in the 1990's.


To an extent yes but the reason is different: Brawn couldn't keep up with development (money/staff), whereas the W02 has fundamental problems.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:39

To an extent yes but the reason is different: Brawn couldn't keep up with development (money/staff), whereas the W02 has fundamental problems.


The team has fundamental problems.

#10770 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 10:46

The team has fundamental problems.


:confused:

elaborate please. There are some teams with fundamental problems, IMHO Merc is not one of them. Post your answer in the Merc thread by the way, it's the MS thread.

#10771 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 11:59

MS on dirty side! :rolleyes:

#10772 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:31

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:33

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

Amateur hour by the MGP team again, sack that stupid team strategist.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:35

Kept Schumi out too long, feeds him back into traffic, gets himself into trouble.

Yep, two laps after Rosberg, while Sutil and Heidfeld were already on fresh tyres. They could've easily pitted him a lap after Rosberg and still keep the position.

Edited by Spa95, 26 June 2011 - 12:35.


#10775 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:35

No reason to keep him out for so long.

And Petrov is a moron.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:36

MS leave this LOSERS.

#10777 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:42

The explanation for this bullshit should be interesting. LH absolutely obliterated Michael on his outlap.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:42

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

Edited by CSF, 26 June 2011 - 12:43.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:45

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

I doubt that. They just needed to pit MS next lap after NR and he would come out ahead of Petrov.

Edited by ivand911, 26 June 2011 - 12:45.


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#10780 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:47

Crikey it was a racing incident calm down. :cat: I guess Merc were trying to go to a 2 stopper for Michael, but it was always going to put him in traffic.

he didnt stay out anywhere near enough for a 2 stopper :rotfl: they clearly didnt want to risk nico having a slow outlap and msc jumping ahead so made sure nico had a gap

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:47

I doubt that. They just needed to pit MS next lap after NR and he would come out ahead of Petrov.

It was a mistake from MGP to keep him out too long, yeah, but I don't think Petrov could've done much to avoid it. There's not a lot of room there and MSC was locking his wheels to avoid. That's a racing incident, too bad. Onto Silverstone.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:52

It was a mistake from MGP to keep him out too long, yeah, but I don't think Petrov could've done much to avoid it. There's not a lot of room there and MSC was locking his wheels to avoid. That's a racing incident, too bad. Onto Silverstone.


Yep. Just box him now and save yourself some gearboxes.

#10783 Spa95

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:52

Did they change his tyres during the front wing change?

He's going quite well now...

#10784 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:54

Did they change his tyres during the front wing change?

He's going quite well now...

not that i saw , they would only have been 1 lap old anyway so why bother if he didnt flat spot them

Edited by arknor, 26 June 2011 - 12:54.


#10785 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 12:56

I think they changed tyres to soft again.


#10786 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:00

MSC now on a "2-stopper"? IIRC he's on Softs and didn't change during the 2nd pit.

Ahh pits as I type. On Mediums?

Edited by DutchCruijff, 26 June 2011 - 13:01.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:01

he didnt stay out anywhere near enough for a 2 stopper :rotfl: they clearly didnt want to risk nico having a slow outlap and msc jumping ahead so made sure nico had a gap


Note I said "trying". Looked like he hit the cliff on that lap as he even had oversteer in the kink leading onto the DRS zone. :lol:

#10788 arknor

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:03

Note I said "trying". Looked like he hit the cliff on that lap as he even had oversteer in the kink leading onto the DRS zone. :lol:

merc were never going to be able to do a 2 stopper they eat the tyres like crazy every race probably the worst team for tyre wear

#10789 vovelo

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:10

OfficialMGP #F1 Nico now 2.5s behind ALG. Michael is P17 on the medium tyres

#10790 ivand911

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:14

Michael better stop race now. There isn't point anymore. Save engine and gearbox.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:20

Michael better stop race now. There isn't point anymore. Save engine and gearbox.

yea no point if others are still on the softer compound... just wasting energy

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:32

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:34

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

yea i would have like to have saw it again or from a better angle it looked like schumacher was expected to drive straight across the kerb without a single wheel on the track

Edited by arknor, 26 June 2011 - 13:35.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:44

It seemed similar in a sense to the last Petrov incident Schumi had, but it was foolish to push nonetheless, he was on soft and Petrov on hard, would've been an easy pass in the same lap - or a few laps later.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:47

That front wing clip pretty much decided his race, the entire field was more or less static and there wasn't much Michael could have done, only highlight was the pass on Maldonado.

Got to move on and look forward to a circuit where passing is actually possible.

#10796 DutchCruijff

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:50

Seemed MSC was too eager to get ahead of Petrov, carried too much speed into the corner, locked up whilst Petrov left him no space and almost expected him to grind to a halt.

#10797 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 13:57

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.

racing incident, come on :)

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:04

racing incident, come on :)

True, but the young Russian should learn a bit. Later he almost did the same as to Schumacher in Turkey against Kobayashi. The latter reacted better and avoided the crash at a hair thick distance.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:11

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:14

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.