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#10801 Disgrace

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:15

I'd like to see that Petrov incident, it seemed he left Michael no space whatsoever.


Nope, Michael locked his inside wheel. That's not Petrovs fault.

Edit: BBC replays showed that Petrov didn't go for the apex, never made the inside kerb and room was given. Schumacher in the end locked both brakes.

Hopefully, that should put that to bed if we're all sensible.

Edited by Disgrace, 26 June 2011 - 14:22.


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#10802 Beyond

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:18

i can't understand why on earth they always screw michael's strategies. what was the point of wainting 1 lap more to pit him? he came in the traffic because of that. endless pointless calls by brawn and co.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:20

Nah, after seeing the incident again, I think Schumacher should've just eased up and passed later on. He admitted he could've done better.

Also, it seems he went past the pit-exit line at that moment, so he might get some sort of penalty for that as well.

This is bad, this is what made most of the difference to Rosberg last year and this has allowed Rosberg ahead this year as well, errors like here and in Turkey, where 6 points were dropped due to overzealousness. Schumacher actually said he was worried to lose to much time behind Petrov's worn tyres, but really he should've worried less about that and just taken some time to pass him with the new tyres + DRS.

100% agree on this

just a bit too eager, simple mistake.
the thing is that he threw away what? 1 point? :)
it's not like the car would have allowed him a great race and he lost a big opportunity here

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:23

After the false dawn of Canada back to the impetuous, clumsy Schumacher of his post comeback. Bad weekend and a shame to see.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:24

1.His wheel was still on the line
2. Yes, he was too eager but in fairness in the spur of the moment if the gap is there...
3. I still feel Petrov should have left him more space

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:27

Looking at BBC I think Michael accepted the all the fault? But, why EJ say that he was blaming the tyres? And making excuses.

Edited by ivand911, 26 June 2011 - 14:28.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:28

He could've slowed a bit and let Petrov pass, Petrov could've given him more room. Still a mistake, just rounds up a bad race overall, the strategy and the fact that passing or even closing up on the car ahead is stupidly difficult here exacerbated things.

#10808 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

After the false dawn of Canada back to the impetuous, clumsy Schumacher of his post comeback. Bad weekend and a shame to see.

bad weekend/ what are you on? is it painful?#

the mgp guys were on the same pace. one move doesn't make a bad weekend

#10809 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.


Just to make it clear, if you look at the times you'll see that if anything, they should have kept him out for another lap.

Here's the gap between ROS and PET before the PIT (lap 12):

Lap 11: 20.470

Here's the gap between MSC and PET between laps 11 and 13, before the PIT (lap 14), and the time he gained in paranthesis:

Lap 11: 17.328 (+1.3)
Lap 12: 18.615 (+1.3)
Lap 13: 19.147 (+0.5)

So there you have it, they did make a mistake with Michael's pit call, but it wasn't that they did not call him earlier, it was that they did not keep him out for another lap.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:32

He took the blame, that´s it.
Strange strategy call too.
Pace of the car on the level of Toro Rosso/FI can´t be what they dreamed of, rain for Silverstone might open the window for a better result

#10811 Wilgot

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 14:33

Oh well, look at the bright side, at least he managed to overtake a Force India when he had a broken front wing...that was pretty funny...hehe... :|

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 15:49

one move doesn't make a bad weekend

Yes it can, and in this case did.



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Posted 26 June 2011 - 16:48

Looking at BBC I think Michael accepted the all the fault? But, why EJ say that he was blaming the tyres? And making excuses.


It's EJ...he's off this trolley.

#10814 merschu

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:12

Darren Heath: Behaving just like one of the forum trolls here! Read his twitter post

Just walked out #F1 Paddock behind #Schumacher Not many behind him in race during a good solid run to.....17th. 7x champs should know better


http://twitter.com/#!/F1Photographer/s...017555642748928

And this guy had nothing to say after the Canadian GP!

#10815 VresiBerba

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:24

If he did pit one lap earlier he wouldn't have any problem with Petrov. So, this is the main problem. Timing.

The main problem is that Shumi has a severe disability when he's around other cars. He has a tendency to run into people around him and always had, and when he does, he usually gets away with it. I find it amazing, to be honest.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:31

Shity race on a horrible track.

Let's hope that the updates work because 2 sec behind leaders on race pace is disastrous.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:33

bad weekend/ what are you on? is it painful?#

the mgp guys were on the same pace. one move doesn't make a bad weekend


17th place and another stupid collision counts as a bad, but all too typical, weekend.

#10818 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:36

Guys it doesn't really matter what the guys do on track right now, the car is really crap. Lets just save our energy for the W03.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:39

The main problem is that Shumi has a severe disability when he's around other cars. He has a tendency to run into people around him and always had, and when he does, he usually gets away with it. I find it amazing, to be honest.



What are you talking about? If you look throughout his career hes made amazing overtakes. He overtook Mal without crashing into him, so whats your point exactly?

EDIT: Oh right you support Montoya maybe that explains something..

Edited by differential, 26 June 2011 - 17:39.


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#10820 Disgrace

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:40

one move doesn't make a bad weekend


Hamilton in Canada? :drunk: Of course it can and did, it ruined the race.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:42

After the false dawn of Canada back to the impetuous, clumsy Schumacher of his post comeback. Bad weekend and a shame to see.


Oh right and what were you expecting of Merc, pole position and win. Merc was always going to be crap around this track, and will be for the remainder of the season unless it rains.

#10822 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:42

Hamilton in Canada? :drunk: Of course it can and did, it ruined the race.

How do you explain Button then?

#10823 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:46

True, but the young Russian should learn a bit. Later he almost did the same as to Schumacher in Turkey against Kobayashi. The latter reacted better and avoided the crash at a hair thick distance.


He still has a lot to learn, remember Malaysia?

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:47

The main problem is that Shumi has a severe disability when he's around other cars. He has a tendency to run into people around him and always had, and when he does, he usually gets away with it. I find it amazing, to be honest.



really? A 'severe disability'? Clumsy at times throughout his career I would agree but your post is a bit rich. :rolleyes:

#10825 BRK

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:49

The main problem is that Shumi has a severe disability when he's around other cars. He has a tendency to run into people around him and always had, and when he does, he usually gets away with it. I find it amazing, to be honest.


Says the guy that's been defending Hamilton every time he's run into someone, one brainfade after another. I find the hypocrisy and obvious double standards amazing, to be honest. :rolleyes:

I think your posts are designed with the sole intent of winding people up and trapping them into making a nasty retort. The worrying thing is that you seem to enjoy every bit of it.

Schumacher is an aggressive racer, always has been, that's one reason why he's achieved so much success and is such a joy to watch. What happened today was a simple lock up and an easy mistake anyone would have made, there have literally been hundreds of lock ups this season and the only time you take notice is if it's Schumacher making the mistake. You were also the same genius that was arguing Petrov did nothing wrong and wasn't at all to blame in Turkey, even though in that case it was Petrov that would have run wide. As such there is absolutely no consistency to your arguments and I don't know why anybody should take you seriously. (not that they do, but I'm still learning)

#10826 VresiBerba

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:53

What are you talking about? If you look throughout his career hes made amazing overtakes. He overtook Mal without crashing into him, so whats your point exactly?

Of course Shumi has made amazing overtakes, he's been racing in Formula One for 18 years. Even a blind hen can sometimes find a corn.


EDIT: Oh right you support Montoya maybe that explains something..

Bring up Montoya, who retired from Formula One six years ago all you like, but apart from Shumi, he will race for the win... in just a few hours :cat:

#10827 VresiBerba

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 17:59

really? A 'severe disability'?

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:05

Bring up Montoya, who retired from Formula One six years ago all you like, but apart from Shumi, he will race for the win... in just a few hours :cat:

:rotfl:

#10829 BRK

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:06

So now it's gone from 'when he's around other cars' to 'he's poor when navigating through traffic'. Just as I said, ZERO consistency, the tune has changed in the space of two posts.

Schumacher has always led from the front and has experience lapping the others, not fighting down in useless positions with GP2 drivers. Not that Juan Pablo would know anything about leading from the front.

PS: ever heard of the multi-quote button?

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:18

Oh right and what were you expecting of Merc, pole position and win. Merc was always going to be crap around this track, and will be for the remainder of the season unless it rains.


Er, I think it's pretty clear that this is a thread about the performance of MS, not the Merc car. Both sucked.

#10831 Williams

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:44

Agreed with what seems to be the consensus here that it is Schumachers's fault. He really need to back off a bit seeing that Petrov was heading for piece of pavement that Schumacher was going to need. I don't think Petrov could have seen Schumacher coming out of the pits, as Schumacher emerged behind and to the side of Petrov and pretty much in his blind spot (which is pretty big on an F1 car!)

Having said that it seems like a pretty poor design for a pit lane exit. The apex of the corner is right at the mouth of the exit. An accident waiting to happen.

#10832 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:47

Er, I think it's pretty clear that this is a thread about the performance of MS, not the Merc car. Both sucked.

Thats the point im making.

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 18:47

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.

I don't think he really cares about what you think of him.
MSC 7-0 MON

#10834 Ruf

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 19:49

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.

What went wrong at Suzuka 2002? As far as I remember he won that race and he didn't even needed to care since he was WDC by mid season anyway.

As for the "while in traffic" I reccomend you Brazil 2006. Taqke a look:

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 19:53

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.

Whatever.


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 19:58

Of course Shumi has made amazing overtakes, he's been racing in Formula One for 18 years. Even a blind hen can sometimes find a corn.



Bring up Montoya, who retired from Formula One six years ago all you like, but apart from Shumi, he will race for the win... in just a few hours :cat:


Who cares about what other form of racing he is in now. This is F1.

If you think Schumi doesn't know how to overtake, then what have you been watching for the past 2 decades?

#10837 differential

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 19:58

What went wrong at Suzuka 2002? As far as I remember he won that race and he didn't even needed to care since he was WDC by mid season anyway.

As for the "while in traffic" I reccomend you Brazil 2006. Taqke a look:

:up: :up:

#10838 exmayol

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 21:37

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.


1. That was 2003.
2. He was not running into people except for an accident with Sato... who happens to be from Japan and acts like a samurai.


#10839 VresiBerba

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 22:35

1. That was 2003.
2. He was not running into people except for an accident with Sato... who happens to be from Japan and acts like a samurai.

1. True.
3. I was thinking of Ralf, you know, his brother, who happens to not be from Japan.
9. I don't like it when you guys gang up on me, it makes me sad :cry:

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 22:39

Bring up Montoya, who retired from Formula One six years ago all you like, but apart from Shumi, he will race for the win... in just a few hours :cat:
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So how did that work out? Want to explain his (JPM) brainfart move on Kasey Kahne in the Sonoma thread? :down:


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Posted 26 June 2011 - 23:25

Looking at BBC I think Michael accepted the all the fault? But, why EJ say that he was blaming the tyres? And making excuses.

yep thats was a first for him

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Posted 26 June 2011 - 23:26

Want to explain his (JPM) brainfart move on Kasey Kahne in the Sonoma thread? :down:

How about we keep Montoya out of of this thread altogether.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 00:08

Really! Shumi's performance at Suzuka 2002 kind of cemented it for me; he was absolute rubbish that day, ran into cars, wrecked his front wing and nearly ruined his championship. If he had led from the start, there's no doubt in my mind that Shumi would win by minutes, but he didn't lead from the start.

I'm not impressed by Shumi while in traffic, and that opinion I share with a lot of people.


great example. :kiss: please stop now.


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 01:34

seriously, one of the greatest pilots ever in F1, currently driving a mercedes truck, is a few points behind his 16 year younger teamamte. Hardly anything to be ashamed of.

Edited by alexocfp, 27 June 2011 - 01:34.


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Posted 27 June 2011 - 14:23

Pappy 2002, Baby 2011

1.Pappy : 25 – 15 – 25 – 25 – 25 – 25 – 18 – 25 – 18 – 25 – 25 – 25 – 18 – 25 -18 – 18 – 25 = 380
1. Baby : 25 – 25 – 18 – 25 – 25 – 25 – 18 – 25 (186)

:)

Edited by jjpm, 27 June 2011 - 14:26.


#10846 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 15:57

seriously, one of the greatest pilots ever in F1, currently driving a mercedes truck, is a few points behind his 16 year younger teamamte. Hardly anything to be ashamed of.

stop being smart

you don't fit in the picture :)
he's a whooping 2 points behind in the table, 4% difference. I wonder what other team is so close? (except the 0 point teams)

But logic is a very strange subject to some people around here

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 21:27

Sarcasm is the lowest form of wit.

I think Mercedes have a lot of other people in their operation for poor results besides Michael.



Yep Rosberg has nothing to be ashamed of ..... Schumacher should be old enough to know better than continue, he should have quit early last season.

#10848 Raelene

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 22:35

So should every driver that is behind their teammate and who has accidents quit?

#10849 Nitropower

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 22:52

I feel sorry for Schumacher when I see him drive today. It must be really really hard to drive for cash and past excitement when you where used to be the cocky number one, the center of attention, feared and admired by other drivers. Now that he can't win it's not only a few times that he causes collisions, loses his front wing, crashes into others, is behind his team mate and makes dangeorous moves. What a sad comeback so far. He should've thought what to do for a living when he retired back in 2006.

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Posted 27 June 2011 - 23:46

Now that he can't win it's not only a few times that he causes collisions, loses his front wing, crashes into others, is behind his team mate and makes dangeorous moves


some of those "problems" reminds me of another former champion ...who's still racing. He should retire as well