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#11051 spacekid

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 19:59

Don't know about you guys, but aside from the Saubers, Schumacher seemed to be in the least amount of control of anyone out there. Great to watch, nonetheless.


Its hard to tell. I know what you mean, Schumi had a few twitches on track, but in the FP2 coverage I saw everyone had moments. It could be that the coverage and cameramen focused om the cars that were sliding. I didn't really see any extended footage of Schumi. The times were good, but obviously meaningless, I have no idea who was pushing or just collecting data, but Schumi has been pretty good on the wet Pirellis.

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#11052 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 20:45

I hope it will be a wet/semi-wet race on Sunday. I'm working (bah humbug!) and usually when it's raining I get very little customers through the door; this means I'll be able to watch the race in its entirety :D

#11053 differential

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 20:49

I hope it will be a wet/semi-wet race on Sunday. I'm working (bah humbug!) and usually when it's raining I get very little customers through the door; this means I'll be able to watch the race in its entirety :D


Well I don't think even weather forecasts can predict a certain bone dry race the weather keeps changing constantly.. sun, rain, sun, rain etc!

#11054 Longtimefan

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 22:04

Time for a change of helmet scheme!

there is too much "Ferrari" on his current helmet... he needs to go back to his original scheme when he came into F1.
That will bring his mojo back!


You know that actually makes sense to me.. come on Schumi, go back to your original colours!



#11055 oetzi

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 22:26

Just to add my two pennies.

From mid 94 to at least mid 05 Schumacher would have been the first choice for almost every team principal if money was no object.

Right now, I reckon almost all of them would take him as one of two if money was no object.

So he's not where he was, but still worth a seat, won't get any worse over the next couple of years and might get better as he gets back into the groove.

#11056 differential

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Posted 08 July 2011 - 22:59

Just to add my two pennies.

From mid 94 to at least mid 05 Schumacher would have been the first choice for almost every team principal if money was no object.

Right now, I reckon almost all of them would take him as one of two if money was no object.

So he's not where he was, but still worth a seat, won't get any worse over the next couple of years and might get better as he gets back into the groove.


I think driving well in the rain is a pretty good sign that schumi is getting better (shows he still has those reactions/reflexes).

If you look at this starts in races: over 90%+ of the time theyve been very good. Whereas before he used to pretty much suck at starting.

Edited by differential, 08 July 2011 - 23:00.


#11057 Kubiccia

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 00:46

In his interview Ross Brawn said that Nico and Michael have similar apex speeds, but that Nico is making up the hundreths of a second elsewhere in the corner and it all adds up to a couple of tenths a second. So that got me thinking. Perhaps Michaels driving style isn't working quite so well with these cars because the engines power band isn't where he needs it to be to make his driving style work? And rainy conditions place the car back into an operational zone that allows him to extract a greater % of performance.

can you post a link of this interview, please?

I think driving well in the rain is a pretty good sign that schumi is getting better (shows he still has those reactions/reflexes).


I don't know if driving slower in the wet require more reflexes, I think it require more of an atitude and a knowledgge on which line to take to make the best in a wet track.

#11058 arknor

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 08:59

can you post a link of this interview, please?



I don't know if driving slower in the wet require more reflexes, I think it require more of an atitude and a knowledgge on which line to take to make the best in a wet track.

surely its more to do with car control , how you turn in and how you apply the throttle on a less grippy surface which you would think would require more car control than on a sticky dry track

#11059 BRK

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 09:19

Watching a BBC stream for FP3, Murray Walker saying how he is an unabashed fan of Schumacher: one legend to another. :up:

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#11060 Augurk

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:43

Crap.

#11061 topical

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:45

oh Michael.... :lol:

#11062 arknor

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:45

Crap.

had a bad feeling when he was in the pitts for so long probably had no temprature in his tyres , all the midfield teams who stayed out on long runs seemed to do well.... ill take that as they had tyres upto temprature.

2tenths behind hamilton , 3 tenths behind vettel.

im prrtty confident only alonso , webber and massa ewere out long enough to get any temprature in the tyres out of the top teams

Edited by arknor, 09 July 2011 - 12:47.


#11063 spacekid

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:46

No big joy from this Schumi fan.

That was crap.

#11064 cutchemist42

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:46

Well that was....

#11065 Augurk

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 12:46

had a bad feeling when he was in the pitts for so long probably had no temprature in his tyres , all the midfield teams who stayed out on long runs seemed to do well.... ill take that as they had tyres upto temprature

Ah well it was just a bit of a lottery. 4 tenths faster and he'd been 4th. Expect a nice drive from the midfield tomorrow (provided he can avoid crashtest dummies!) :up:

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:05

I´m not even disappointed today. Car is still crap in dry conditions, 1,5-2 sec off Red Bull in their supposed "best" discipline (qualifying). Jesus.
Hope for mixed conditions tomorrow and a Montreal repeat.

Edited by Urawa, 09 July 2011 - 13:06.


#11067 Diablobb81

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:10

He said he went out too early. Tires gone.

At least he has some new tires for tomorrow.

#11068 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:14

I was really sour for a while there, because it was another bit of poor decisionmaking, but Michael's relaxed expression eased my nerves.

It's worth mentioning that Nico came out only a few seconds later, but did well not to push in his first lap - whether it was on purpose or not, I don't know.

#11069 Kubiccia

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:14

Stupid strategy. When the track had better grip, his tires were gone. Nico did his lap on the right time.

Schumi is making it really easy to Nico. Rosberg is a farse, even DiResta, Maldonado and Koba could beat him in inferior cars.

#11070 BRK

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:16

Q2 was crazy, someone was going to lose out in that traffic packed lottery. His final effort wasn't good enough, but looking at Rosberg's time I wonder if he caught a slower car ahead of him or made a mistake somewhere with the shot tyres.

Not concerned at all, I think the race tomorrow will be a bit more normal and he'll have a chance to make up places. Plus if there's mixed conditions.. :D

Looking forward, either way!

Edited by BRK, 09 July 2011 - 13:17.


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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:18

If we consider their usual race form they´ll fight for the lowest points, 9th and 10th, tomorrow.
The Sauber are starting around them and will surely make up ground with the superior tyre management & might even save 1 stop.
It´s a fight against the FI´s again I guess.

Edited by Urawa, 09 July 2011 - 13:19.


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Posted 09 July 2011 - 13:51

If we consider their usual race form they´ll fight for the lowest points, 9th and 10th, tomorrow.
The Sauber are starting around them and will surely make up ground with the superior tyre management & might even save 1 stop.
It´s a fight against the FI´s again I guess.



... and Petrov!

#11073 differential

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Posted 09 July 2011 - 15:38

If we consider their usual race form they´ll fight for the lowest points, 9th and 10th, tomorrow.
The Sauber are starting around them and will surely make up ground with the superior tyre management & might even save 1 stop.
It´s a fight against the FI´s again I guess.


If it rains then...

#11074 Urawa

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:05

If it rains then...


It´s on :cool:

#11075 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:09

It´s on :cool:

:rotfl: :clap:

#11076 ramad

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:12

:rotfl: :clap:

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#11077 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 11:18

:clap: :clap: :kiss:


Lets hope the rain remains a constant theme throughout the race.
:clap:

#11078 ClubmanGT

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:33

Ugh. Another race, another bad call by the stewards. If he were Hamilton, Button or anyone else, he'd wouldn't have been penalised.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:33

Pathetic decision to give Michael a stop go for that, I'm really angry :mad:

He was doing great in tough conditions. Lots of cars were sliding and losing it, look at Hamilton and Massa. Schumi just lost it when there was another car to collect.

Thats ruined his race. Shame, he was driving great in these conditions apart from that one slip.

10 second stop too, not just a drive through. Pathetic.

Edited by spacekid, 10 July 2011 - 12:34.


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#11080 Tarzaan

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:35

Who is that monkey(ex-driver) who help the race control today?

#11081 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:35

Hamilton no penalty for same type of accident, Schumi penalty. Not to mention the idiotic Di resta penalty.


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

#11082 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:35

OK, his error under difficult conditions, but stop/go seems too much to me. Maybe they were trying to penalize the fact that he gained so much by the early pit-stop, because that accident was no different than so many other accidents for which drive-throughs were deemed sufficient.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 10 July 2011 - 12:36.


#11083 Richardc

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:36

jesus christ - a drive through would have been harsh, a stop and go is ridiculous.

#11084 arknor

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:36

Hamilton no penalty for same type of accident, Schumi penalty. Not to mention the idiotic Di resta penalty.


Fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu

did button get one in canada when he nudged alonso off and that was without even sliding :rolleyes:

#11085 ClubmanGT

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:37

OK, his error under difficult conditions, but stop/go seems too much to me. Maybe they were trying to penalize the fact that he gained so much by the early pit-stop, because that accident was no different than so many other accidents for which drive-throughs were deemed sufficient.


Yea. If he'd come in and been hopeless, he wouldn't have been penalised, I'm sure. Or Lewis Hamilton.

#11086 black magic

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:37

I'd give up if I were he.

no such penalties in canada and as for comparing that to hamilton in monaco seems these stewards just dont want someone to have a go.

he tried to pull out well before the collision and because of conditions was unnstoppable despite kobyashi leaving the door open

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:38

did button get one in canada when he nudged alonso off and that was without even sliding :rolleyes:

Indeed.

Button pushing Hamilton into the pit wall in Canada was also ok, it wasn't in Hungary last year.

#11088 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:38

The penalty was okay.

#11089 BRK

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:38

Retarded, as usual, ZERO consistency.


If the rain returned and Michael somehow clawed back a points finish it would be rubbing in the #$%# in their faces.



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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:38

Oh Mike, why? :(
Harsh decision but you can´t lose your FW 4 times in half a season.
Good thing is he was very quick in both intermediate and dry conditions.

#11091 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:38

The penalty was okay.

:drunk: sure it was

kimi got a 10 sec penalty for hitting sutil the same way in moanco, right??

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:40

I'd give up if I were he.

no such penalties in canada and as for comparing that to hamilton in monaco seems these stewards just dont want someone to have a go.

he tried to pull out well before the collision and because of conditions was unnstoppable despite kobyashi leaving the door open

#11093 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:42

Yes, the penalty for Schumacher was okay, and when you get a speeding ticket you can say that many other drivers didn't get it who were also speeding. And you'll still have to pay the fine.

Edited by Anssi, 10 July 2011 - 12:42.


#11094 Jazza

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:43

No drive through for anyone today. All penalties are 10 second due to the short cut design pit lane.

#11095 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:43

Yes, the penalty for Schumacher was okay, and when you get a speeding ticket you can say that many other drivers didn't get it who were also speeding. And you'll still have to pay the fine.

can you give any example for penalty while losing control without trying to pass?

#11096 Johnrambo

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:44

Schumacher drives exactly like Coulthard during his last season.

#11097 spacekid

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:45

Yes, the penalty for Schumacher was okay, and when you get a speeding ticket you can say that many other drivers didn't get it who were also speeding. And you'll still have to pay the fine.


True. But if you are caught doing 33 in a 30mph zone (yes, he hit Kobayashi but he wasn't making a tupid move, he lost the back of the car in very difficult conditions. This is motor racing and he was pushing hard. We want to see that) you shouldn't get the same penalty as someone whos been caught doing 130mph.

#11098 Spa95

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:46

Schumacher now flying. Shame really...

#11099 ClubmanGT

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:47

I disagree with the penalty because that crash seemed to be the epitome of 'racing incident'.

Edited by ClubmanGT, 10 July 2011 - 12:47.


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#11100 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 12:47

Well, let's just disagree about it then.