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#11151 ClubmanGT

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 13:57

5th was on the cards today.

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#11152 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 13:58

If he was Lewis, he would've got three six-race bans on the trot.


Except that Hamilton and Di Resta for an identical incident in the same race was not penalised.

Stupid penalty.

Michael said he wasn't trying to overtake. Too fast with the DRS, braked too late, front locked = Boom.

He said he had the pace for 4-5th.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 July 2011 - 14:00.


#11153 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 13:59

It's really not at all Rosberg's fault that Schumacher had contact with another car. The penalty was a direct consequence from that. It's lame for people to bash Rosberg when Schumacher has ruined his race all by himself.

#11154 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 13:59

jesus christ - a drive through would have been harsh, a stop and go is ridiculous.


OK, his error under difficult conditions, but stop/go seems too much to me.

All the penalties today was stop-and-go simply because the nature of the pit entry and exit would mean a drive-through would not be penalising enough.

#11155 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 13:59

A bad call on the stewards would be Alonso's penalty in Malaysia, something that Shumi did numerous times after the fact. He was due this penalty.


If he was Lewis, he would've got three six-race bans on the trot.


Lol, what world do you live in?



#11156 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:00

Except that Hamilton and Di Resta for an identical incident in the same race was not penalised.

Stupid penalty.

Really. When did Lewis crash into Di Resta, ruining his own front wing? I missed that.

#11157 Paco

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:00

I don't think he should have gotten penalized but he was out of control in the corner and didn't make it stick.. plain and simple and it ruined his chances for a really good showing. Pushing his way through after that yeah.. he had nothing to lose so really ... big deal.

#11158 arknor

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:00

It's really not at all Rosberg's fault that Schumacher had contact with another car. The penalty was a direct consequence from that. It's lame for people to bash Rosberg when Schumacher has ruined his race all by himself.

erm noone is suggesting it is they are suggesting rosberg should have had a much much better race seeing people keep claiming "hes thrashing schumacher at every race"

Edited by arknor, 10 July 2011 - 14:01.


#11159 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:00

It's really not at all Rosberg's fault that Schumacher had contact with another car. The penalty was a direct consequence from that. It's lame for people to bash Rosberg when Schumacher has ruined his race all by himself.

What bull shit are you chatting? hahah
:drunk:

who here wrote that?

Edited by differential, 10 July 2011 - 14:01.


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#11160 spacekid

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:01

Big deal that he made a lot of passes at the back... he still used bad judgement when it matters and cost him and the team valuable points and positions. Passing backmarkers hardly means a thing. It's passing the faster people ahead of you that matters!

Seriously people.. get your head out of arse and see what is really going on.

I want MS to get good results, but I'm not naive enough to not see what happened to today..


Ok lets analyse some of what you wrote. Nico did a better job than Michael in qualifying yesterday and finished behind a Force India, a Williams and a Sauber. Michael had 3 phases of the race, at the start when he made up places, after his new nose he made up places, and after the penalty he made up places. He had great race pace in all 3 stages and overtook Force Indias, Williams's and Saubers. Faster cars on Saturday. Not backmakers.

He made one mistake going into a corner in tricky conditions. Massa and Lewis also made mistakes at similar times. It wasn't a rash overtake, its unfortuate he collected Kobayashi. It happens.

He ended up 17 seconds behind Nico, who had clear air, while having to race and overtake people. He must have lost 15 seconds losing the nose, and another 20-25 for the penalty and was still only 17 seconds behind.

9th isn't a great result, but I'm not the one whos being naive.

#11161 Augurk

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:01

It's really not at all Rosberg's fault that Schumacher had contact with another car. The penalty was a direct consequence from that. It's lame for people to bash Rosberg when Schumacher has ruined his race all by himself.

Who is bashing Rosberg for anything else than his lack of pace and horrible start today? Rosberg was driving as a grey mouse, couldn't show anything. Kudo's for him that he didn't get into trouble. There. I praised him. Happy?

We are praising Schumacher's pace and compare him to Rosberg. But we're not blaming Rosberg by any means for Schumacher's result are we?

#11162 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:05

Really. When did Lewis crash into Di Resta, ruining his own front wing? I missed that.


So was it too hard to understand from my post that neither Lewis nor Di Resta got penalties for identical separate incidents?

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 July 2011 - 14:06.


#11163 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:06

The repeat-incidents don't bode well for the way Schumi is frowned upon these days, but unlike the collisions with Petrov, this is something I wouldn't criticize too harshly.

Of course, as many people have said here and amongst the reporters, the stop/go was clearly inappropriate and there was no consistency in how incidents were treated today - not to mention throughout the year.

All in all, this was a good race pace-wise, but things still simply aren't coming together.

#11164 JensonWDC

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:07

Really. When did Lewis crash into Di Resta, ruining his own front wing? I missed that.


Don´t play the "I didn´t understand" card here. You know what he meant.

#11165 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:08

Retarded, as usual, ZERO consistency.

I agree. Shumi should have been penalised in Turkey and Valencia too.

#11166 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:09

Don´t play the "I didn´t understand" card here. You know what he meant.

Actually, I don't.

#11167 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:10

I think it's bad sportsmanship to focus on saying how bad Rosberg is when he is in fact doing a better job than Schumacher.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:11

Actually, I don't.


If so, you haven´t watched the race properly

#11169 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:11

Actually, I don't.


You never do. So that's expected.

#11170 arknor

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:12

I think it's bad sportsmanship to focus on saying how bad Rosberg is when he is in fact doing a better job than Schumacher.

k lets wait until the FIA release the laptimes and ill highlight the fastest laps of both drivers so you can see how good a job rosberg did

#11171 Paco

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:12

MS is starting to remind me a bit of some JV seasons where he was slowed on Saturday but faster on Sunday but ended up always looking bad cause he was continually trying to fight the 15-25 second deficient caused by bad Saturdays.

At the end of the day, the only way for MS to start pulling off some good performance is to get up to speed and qualifying in the top 6-8.. otherwise he'll continue to not maximize the cars potential and expose himself to "forcing" himself into situations that are not ideal.

#11172 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:13

It appears that Rosberg finished about 17 seconds in front of Schumacher.

#11173 spacekid

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:13

I think it's bad sportsmanship to focus on saying how bad Rosberg is when he is in fact doing a better job than Schumacher.


No one is saying Nico is bad. He is very good. He finished 6th and didn't really do much wrong, although he wasn't great at the start and in the wet/dry conditions.

What people are saying is that despite a stupid penalty and being dropped down into the pack, Schumi still had better pace. Which is good to see for his fans.

#11174 Paco

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:14

k lets wait until the FIA release the laptimes and ill highlight the fastest laps of both drivers so you can see how good a job rosberg did


That means nothing. Rosberg could have been executing "course and race management". No need to excessively push if there isn't a better result in the cards. Plus, you need to interpret those results if you were running in clean air, stage of the race and fuel and age of tires. :rotfl:

#11175 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:14

Let me guess : Michael will be the only one penalised for a racing incident.

Lewis was given the same penalty in Monaco for less than that, unless of course rubbering up a sidepod is now deemed a 'racing incident'.

#11176 spacekid

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:15

k lets wait until the FIA release the laptimes and ill highlight the fastest laps of both drivers so you can see how good a job rosberg did


Rosberg did do a good job! He finished 6th.

Michael being faster on race pace means he also did a good job :)

#11177 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:15

It appears that Rosberg finished about 17 seconds in front of Schumacher.


Good for him for getting the points (no sarcasm).

But Michael had to cruise with no wing and do a stop and go. You do the math.


Lewis was given the same penalty in Monaco for less than that, unless of course rubbering up a sidepod is now deemed a 'racing incident'.


Lewis tried an overtake which never would have worked, Michael simply outbraked himself in intermediate conditions.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 July 2011 - 14:17.


#11178 Tarzaan

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:17

He's clearly better than Rosberg this year - it's a shame the points don't show it.


+1 :up:

#11179 DutchCruijff

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:19

Schumi voted 3rd best driver of the day on the BBC :up:

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#11180 BRK

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:24

What a race that was, crazy ups and downs. Superb recovery drive by Michael to finish in the points after that pathetic penalty, he was awesome throughout, without doubt one of the drivers of the race! :up:

PS: PLEASE ignore that notorious troll that gets ridiculed time and again on these forums and keeps coming back for more.



#11181 spacekid

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:25

What a race that was, crazy ups and downs. Superb recovery drive by Michael to finish in the points after that pathetic penalty, he was awesome throughout, without doubt one of the drivers of the race! :up:

PS: PLEASE ignore that notorious troll that gets ridiculed time and again on these forums and keeps coming back for more.


Yep!

Which one?

#11182 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:25

what are you blubbering about? do you realise how many cars he over took and retook again after pitstops ? they never show his overtakes unless theres contact so everyone gets a bad impression.

That's the nature of backmarkers though, isn't it.

#11183 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:26

EJ bashing is a disgrace! Who does this guy think he is?


#11184 arknor

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:27

That's the nature of backmarkers though, isn't it.

they arent backmarkers if your racing for position with them though are they

EJ bashing is a disgrace! Who does this guy think he is?

you know EJ posts on these forums? its frans

Edited by arknor, 10 July 2011 - 14:27.


#11185 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:28

It appears that Rosberg finished about 17 seconds in front of Schumacher.


Is that all?
:rotfl: :stoned:


#11186 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:29

you know EJ posts on these forums? its frans


I guess
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#11187 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:30

But Michael had to cruise with no wing and do a stop and go. You do the math.



He had no front wing because he destroyed it. He also caused the penalty by himself.

Edited by Anssi, 10 July 2011 - 14:31.


#11188 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:30

If so, you haven´t watched the race properly

So I missed it, is that so hard to comprehend. If you have a problem with that, why don't you try to explain what you mean instead of firing off tiresome soundbites and one-liners?

#11189 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:31

He had no front wing because he destroyed it.

Thats totally besides the point: the point is nico's pace compared to schumi's was crap. Do you agree?

#11190 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:31

So I missed it, is that so hard to comprehend. If you have a problem with that, why don't you try to explain what you mean instead of firing off tiresome soundbites and one-liners?


Please don't comment on a race you didnt watch.

#11191 arknor

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:32

He had no front wing because he destroyed it. He also caused the penalty by himself.

yea and he got a penalty most people dont think he deserved without that penalty he would still of trashed nico even with losing the front wing

#11192 Massa

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:33

It appears that Rosberg finished about 17 seconds in front of Schumacher.


While Schumacher had a stop and go, without that Schumacher could finish the race in front of Rosberg. After few laps, Schumacher was already 9th.

Schumacher is faster than Rosberg this year, open your eyes..

#11193 Anssi

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:34

Well, it's nice to dream. I do it too sometimes. But in the end reality must be accepted. For that we only need to look at the official results. I know it hurts sometimes.

Edited by Anssi, 10 July 2011 - 14:34.


#11194 differential

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:36

Well, it's nice to dream. I do it too sometimes. But in the end reality must be accepted. For that we only need to look at the official results. I know it hurts sometimes.

Too right lets wait for the lap times.

#11195 Paco

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:37

Thats totally besides the point: the point is nico's pace compared to schumi's was crap. Do you agree?


But another way to look at it... he did what he needed to get 6th... only 2 stopped so he ended up running on older tires for much longer thereby slowing his pace a bit as he had to look after them to make them work that long. Nico "may" have been able to get to 5th.. a bit of stretch ..

Michael on the other hand had fresh rubber more often and had to push much more just to get to 9th.

#11196 Paco

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:38

Things aren't always soooo freaking black n white that "fanboys" try and make it seems.

#11197 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:38

Lewis tried an overtake which never would have worked, Michael simply outbraked himself in intermediate conditions.

Rubbering up a sidepod is not a racing incident though, at least not in my book, but I concede that it may be in yours. I counter that with Alonso's penalty in Malaysia. So even if Shumi is the only one to be penalised for a racing incident, according to you, which is wrong, I give you Lewis' penalty in Monaco; the only one to be penalised for rubbering up a sidepod... in the history of the sport. Ever!

#11198 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:39

Michael was on two stops too. :rolleyes:

But Michael's problem is that there is a massive difference between his quali pace and position and his race pace. It's sadly always an incident waiting to happen with the slower guys in front.

So even if Shumi is the only one to be penalised for a racing incident, according to you, which is wrong, I give you Lewis' penalty in Monaco; the only one to be penalised for rubbering up a sidepod... in the history of the sport. Ever!


I'm taking only about the incidents this race.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 July 2011 - 14:41.


#11199 VresiBerba

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:40

they arent backmarkers if your racing for position with them though are they

Everyone is racing for position, backmarkers notwithstanding.

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Posted 10 July 2011 - 14:40

It seems Schumi reached rosberg in terms of race pace (today was faster than nico), but now there's another flaw to fix: he is much more mistake prone than his teammate. That's the reason i give Schumi no more than 5% of chances to outscore rosberg at the end of the season.
I'm not bashing michael, the guy is clearly a legend, but being outscored two years in a row by his teammate would be utterly disappointing. i wouldn't call it a disaster, but his career as a whole would be slightly reapprised in the eyes of many people.