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#11351 George Costanza

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 03:44

The obvious candidates are Spain 94, Spa 95, Europe 95, Spain 96, Monaco 97, Hungary 98, Japan 98, Malaysia 99, Japan 00 etc etc.

For pure dominance all the weekend though I'd select Spa 04, I believe MS thinks highly of it, and Nigel Roebuck, who I don't think is much of a fan, considers it a magnificent drive.



Spa 1997, France '97 and 2004 and the 2000 European GP at the 'Ring was awesome too...

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#11352 Jazza

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 04:13

Is there any proof that Hill was told by Jordan to move over for Schumacher? That is, except for Schumachers brother, who had already left the team by time the claim came out?

I clearly remember Hill denying any such order. Jordan were trying to get 4th (and even third if possible) in the championship, which back then was a huge deal. The big four teams had finished 1st, 2nd, 3rd, and 4th for years on end, and Jordan were desperate to break this. Except for Ralph, I doubt anyone at Jordan gave a shit what Michael was doing.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 04:24

Jazza - It's Ralf... not Ralph...

baddog - completely agree

Edited by Raelene, 19 July 2011 - 04:24.


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Posted 19 July 2011 - 04:39

Jazza - It's Ralf... not Ralph...

baddog - completely agree


Yeah, stupid iPad makes assumptions from time to time that are easy to miss.

Doesn't change the question but...

#11355 ali.unal

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 06:07

For me the best races of Michael include Hungary 98, Magny Cours 04, Monaco 06 and Brazil 06 for I witnessed all of them. I missed Spain 94 or Spain 96.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 06:44

Do any of the one's where he failed to finish count or is that all his fault ? How about Suzuka 06 ??

i'd count spa 98 faster than coulthard even with 3 wheels :rotfl:

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 07:43

For me the best races of Michael include Monaco 06....

I would Monaco 2006 was one of his worst races in terms of sportmanship. He may have driven well in the race but his qualifying tactics were shameful. He never admitted any wrong doing in that even though the stewards found not mechanical problems when looking at his data. The only person who ever admitted it was an incident they'd like to forget was Ross Brawn in an interview in 2008. Ross knew what they had done was wrong but they were in too deep not to continue the deceit at the time. It was a great season and Michael signed off a great career with his drive in Brazil, I just think he probably regretted Monaco due to the fact he hadn't committed an act like that for a few years and people were starting to talk about him as the new mature Michael.

#11358 ivand911

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 09:23

Too many to choose from. Monza 1992 is one of my favourites tho because it's so well documented with onboard footage. Damages his front wing in the first chicane after the start then fights his way back from the end of the field to the podium:

Ooh, no, he lost his FW. ;) Good race , he show middle finger to somebody. With third best car maybe?

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#11359 EdwardCullen

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 09:27

Ooh, no, he lost his FW.;) Good race , he show middle finger to somebody. With third best car maybe?

Lol he has made a habit of losing his front wing 20 years ago :lol:

I would rather have somone who might loses wings but ultimately win GPs and WDCs than some journeyman driver

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#11360 ali.unal

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 11:14

I would Monaco 2006 was one of his worst races in terms of sportmanship. He may have driven well in the race but his qualifying tactics were shameful. He never admitted any wrong doing in that even though the stewards found not mechanical problems when looking at his data. The only person who ever admitted it was an incident they'd like to forget was Ross Brawn in an interview in 2008. Ross knew what they had done was wrong but they were in too deep not to continue the deceit at the time. It was a great season and Michael signed off a great career with his drive in Brazil, I just think he probably regretted Monaco due to the fact he hadn't committed an act like that for a few years and people were starting to talk about him as the new mature Michael.

Absolutely agree with you there, but I singled out his race pace only. So let's say "one of his worst qualifying", as the race itself had nothing to do with what he did in qualifying.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 11:19

Absolutely agree with you there, but I singled out his race pace only. So let's say "one of his worst qualifying", as the race itself had nothing to do with what he did in qualifying.

Yeah thats fair enough. Schuey was very impressive in 2006 and retired on a high IMO. He certainly showed he could push a young Alonso in his prime right to the end. :)

#11362 ali.unal

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 11:23

Yeah thats fair enough. Schuey was very impressive in 2006 and retired on a high IMO. He certainly showed he could push a young Alonso in his prime right to the end. :)

It would be more than perfect to see him racing with the likes of Raikkonen, Alonso and Hamilton in 2007 when he was still on his prime. Shame.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 12:37

not when hes beeing paid to drive a car and his employer is clearly tellinh him one thing and he does another.
in most industries you get sacked.

anyway there were numerous other times when hill would let schumachers main title rival straight past and then he would do all he could to hold schumacher up, he wasnt doing it because he was racing him he does it because hes an arse and probably a very jealous and bitter one


I can't remember them, can you point them out to us?

In 98 jordan went half a season without a point, the car was hopeless, then they started rattling off results and at spa they got a sensational first win and 1-2. In just half a season they climbed from nothing to 4th place just ahead of Bennetton (double world champs just two years before) and just behing Williams (reigning world champions) That was a massive end result and the points gap was tiny, 1 point ahead of Benneton and 4 behind Williams and you honestly expect them to just start letting drivers by? They had a sniff of 3rd place and beating the reigning world champions, you don't start waving anyone by in that situation, you fight tooth and nail.

As for calling the guy bitter and jealous, :rolleyes: I've lost count of the number of times I've heard him praise Schumachers skill, he was always the most gracious and sporting driver in the face of defeat. I shouldn't be surprised though, anyone who criticises MS gets labelled as bitter by his fanatics.

Edited by Boing 2, 19 July 2011 - 12:37.


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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:10

Criticise Hill for Suzuka 97, but not 98. They were on the same lap and he was entitled to block Michael. Besides, Hill pitted sooner so MS got ahead during the pitstops. The tyre blowing out was what cost him the championship in the end.

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:14

Check out the interview fellas:
http://www.formula1....11/7/12316.html

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:15

As for calling the guy bitter and jealous, :rolleyes: I've lost count of the number of times I've heard him praise Schumachers skill, he was always the most gracious and sporting driver in the face of defeat. I shouldn't be surprised though, anyone who criticises MS gets labelled as bitter by his fanatics.


Bitter & jealous may well be too strong to describe Hill's views towards MS, but I don't doubt there were times when he fought extra hard just because it was MS chasing him down...

In edition 185 of F1 Racing Damon is quoted as saying (referring to 1995) "...the rivalry with Michael from 1994 had created a sort of diversion in my mind. And he just rubbed my nose in it. Not that he was too bothered about whose nose he rubbed in the dirt, but I tended to take it personally and I think it got to me eventually. I defeated myself quite frankly..."

Quite open & honest there to his credit, but it's clearly viable to believe he'd act as I've described above.

On the other hand, if I was a team owner and any of my drivers moved out of the way of someone without a damn good reason, they'd not be getting a new contract! It's racing! By all means if it's lap 20 and you're 2 secs slower, and racing him is going to make you lose time/damage tyres or the car, then go, but don't wave him by on lap 4 just cos he's fighting for a title, if he's behind you, it's for a reason.

#11367 EdwardCullen

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:23

are we talking about this incident at Suzuka 1997 where Hill was being lapped by JV and Schumy and Hill let through JV very fast but held up Schumy?


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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:23

are we talking about this incident at Suzuka 1997 where Hill was being lapped by JV and Schumy and Hill let through JV very fast but held up Schumy?


I was yes, and it was Frentzen that he let through quickly (after getting in MSc's way for half a lap).

Then again, nobody got too upset at Fontana doing this to JV in the next race :p

Edited by Prost1997T, 19 July 2011 - 13:24.


#11369 ali.unal

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 13:24

Check out the interview fellas:
http://www.formula1....11/7/12316.html

Q: You can travel back in time and compete in any decade of Formula One racing, from the 1950s to the 1990s. Which decade would you choose and why?
MS:
I’d rather travel into the future and see how racing would be then.

:up:

Q: You are having a dinner party and can invite four people from the world of motorsport, past or present. Who do you invite?
MS:
Ross (Brawn), Norbert (Haug), Jean (Todt) and Luca (di Montezemolo).

All managers, not a single driver :cat:

Q: You are given the chance to drive any legendary Formula One car of the past (excluding those made by your own team). Which car would you choose?
MS:
The (future) 2022 Ferrari.

:)

Edited by ali.unal, 19 July 2011 - 13:27.


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Posted 19 July 2011 - 20:32

Check out the interview fellas:
http://www.formula1....11/7/12316.html


Certainly not easy interviewing the man. Short answers and he mostly picks his own options instead of the ones given to him :lol:

#11371 arknor

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 22:13

Certainly not easy interviewing the man. Short answers and he mostly picks his own options instead of the ones given to him :lol:

some good answers rather than the usual boring answers you would expect from alot of people who would just answer without really thinking about it.

probably some german humour

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 23:46

Critisism for 97 is fair enough but to claim Hill did this "numerous" times is wrong and i notice the person who posted that has shuffed along in the thread without listing his "many" examples.

If we're going to critisise a driver for attacking a rival unduly harshly due to personal history, what about Schumacher nearly creaming Barrichello into a wall at 180mph at Hungary?

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Posted 19 July 2011 - 23:59

The DRS issue presented itself once again for the Mercedes, and Schumacher's braking was affected and he hit Kobayashi. Not his fault, he even said he wasn't trying to pass KK at the time.

This is... in Dan2k-territory; Kafka-esque!

Shumi is in control of his car 100 per cent all the time, and if he uses DRS it's because he; Michael Schumacher, decided to use it. This isn't the FIA's fault, this it Shumi's fault. Full stop.


:up:

And you agree :drunk:

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 01:26

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Schumacher wins in the pits British GP 1998

Whenever I remember it, it's a unique finish we haven't seen duplicated yet. I really liked the way the ferrari looked visably on the edge and how MS pushed that car, it made you see the corrections and appreciate the grip.

We could do with more of that oversteer style of his, some of these cars these days seem either locked on the ground or just too smooth until grip is lost, so you pit, rather then a gradual loss of grip with the driver trying to make up for each tenth lost.

Edited by SeanValen, 20 July 2011 - 01:28.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:06

Critisism for 97 is fair enough but to claim Hill did this "numerous" times is wrong and i notice the person who posted that has shuffed along in the thread without listing his "many" examples.

If we're going to critisise a driver for attacking a rival unduly harshly due to personal history, what about Schumacher nearly creaming Barrichello into a wall at 180mph at Hungary?

i dont need to list examples damon made it hard everytime schumacher came to lap him, anyone who watched f1 in the 90s will remember

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 09:13

Q: You can travel back in time and compete in any decade of Formula One racing, from the 1950s to the 1990s. Which decade would you choose and why?
MS:
I’d rather travel into the future and see how racing would be then.

:up:

Q: You are having a dinner party and can invite four people from the world of motorsport, past or present. Who do you invite?
MS:
Ross (Brawn), Norbert (Haug), Jean (Todt) and Luca (di Montezemolo).

All managers, not a single driver :cat:

Q: You are given the chance to drive any legendary Formula One car of the past (excluding those made by your own team). Which car would you choose?
MS:
The (future) 2022 Ferrari.

:)

hope the 2022 car is as good as he thinks it will be. :lol: nice interview, but it must have been hard for the interviewer.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:22

i dont need to list examples damon made it hard everytime schumacher came to lap him, anyone who watched f1 in the 90s will remember


Proof please. I have recordings of all the 1997 races and didn't see him obstructing Schumacher other than Japan.

Edited by Prost1997T, 20 July 2011 - 10:22.


#11378 Johnrambo

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:22

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Schumacher wins in the pits British GP 1998

Whenever I remember it, it's a unique finish we haven't seen duplicated yet. I really liked the way the ferrari looked visably on the edge and how MS pushed that car, it made you see the corrections and appreciate the grip.


Strange to see you remember one of MS's less than great victories with such fondness. Mika was annihilating MS (~40 second gap) before the SC period and MS passing under yellows. Seems MS didn't have grip at all.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:23

i dont need to list examples damon made it hard everytime schumacher came to lap him, anyone who watched f1 in the 90s will remember

You do. There aren't so many examples out there. Suzuka 1997 was one of them and Canada 98 the next and last. I think that about sums it all up.

Strange to see you remember one of MS's less than great victories with such fondness. Mika was annihilating MS (~40 second gap) before the SC period and MS passing under yellows. Seems MS didn't have grip at all.

Well in the end it was Mika annihilating himself by going off twice and all that matters is when you cross the line. Whether it's in the pits or on the track (winkwink).

Edited by Jejking, 20 July 2011 - 10:25.


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#11380 Prost1997T

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:26

Canada 98 the next and last. I think that about sums it all up.


They were fighting for 2nd place. Yeah, there was the alleged weave, but they were on the same lap.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:32

Hmm sorry I've mistakenly not added the point that those two occassions are when Hill was not taking it the fair way against Schumacher. My bad.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 10:35

Hmm sorry I've mistakenly not added the point that those two occassions are when Hill was not taking it the fair way against Schumacher. My bad.


Bearing in mind that Schumacher did a chop on Frentzen while leaving the pits in that very same race, I find it a tad hypocritical to complain when he's on the receiving end :p

Don't get me wrong, Michael was a world class driver in his day, but he had his share of dodgy moves.

Edited by Prost1997T, 20 July 2011 - 10:36.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:43

Don't get me wrong, Michael was a world class driver in his day, but he had his share of dodgy moves.


As did Senna, as did many drivers previously... I'm hardly going out on a limb when I make the suggestion of the possibility that Hamilton may well be remembered as a "dodgy mover" once his career ends, he's had so many issues already and I can't see him changing that much.

Sometimes to be at the ultimate top of the tree, you need that hard side, that says "here's the rule, but the line lies a little further away, so I'm pushing to that line and perhaps beyond". If the rules are changed after you've made your "move" then so much the better, because now your competitors can't do it to you!

Top level sport is often decided by such moments.... rightly or wrongly, that's generally how it is.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 11:50

As did Senna, as did many drivers previously... I'm hardly going out on a limb when I make the suggestion of the possibility that Hamilton may well be remembered as a "dodgy mover" once his career ends, he's had so many issues already and I can't see him changing that much.

Sometimes to be at the ultimate top of the tree, you need that hard side, that says "here's the rule, but the line lies a little further away, so I'm pushing to that line and perhaps beyond". If the rules are changed after you've made your "move" then so much the better, because now your competitors can't do it to you!

Top level sport is often decided by such moments.... rightly or wrongly, that's generally how it is.


Indeed. I didn't like the Senna/Prost crap at Japan either. As for Hamilton more recently, well thats 50:50. Schumacher (of all people) didn't turn into him when he made a lunge at Ste Devote but Maldonado did. The Massa incident was his fault though, so the penalty for that was deserved. Unfortunately he was too ambitious at Canada and paid the price.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 13:29

You do. There aren't so many examples out there. Suzuka 1997 was one of them and Canada 98 the next and last. I think that about sums it all up.


Well in the end it was Mika annihilating himself by going off twice and all that matters is when you cross the line. Whether it's in the pits or on the track (winkwink).


As has been pointed out, Hill was racing at the time, not being lapped so had every right to fight.

Silverstone was an interesting race in the sense that schumacher won the race without taking his stop and go penalty. Unfortunately it was during the Mosley years when Ferrari went unpunished for most things so the win stood.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 15:38

Silverstone was an interesting race in the sense that schumacher won the race without taking his stop and go penalty. Unfortunately it was during the Mosley years when Ferrari went unpunished for most things so the win stood.

I dont know why people still go on saying it went unpunished etc etc
and i have read about the loophole numerous times in this very forum

It is that back then there was no rule of taking the penalty within 3 laps ( this i have some doubt)
There was no rule of taking the penalty in the last lap
and nowadays the pit boxes SHOULD come after the start finish line, but back then this was not the case
No rule stating you cannot finish the race on track (these is rule now)

All these loopholes meant the old Brawn and Schumy pair exploited it

Frankly they didnot break any rule back then, it was after this very race did FIA stepped in to close these loopholes

Thats why now you cannot take a drive thru at the final 3 laps, and all the pit boxes comes after start finish line....see this pic http://www.motorspor.....0High Res.jpg you will understand how the pitboxes are placed

Well this being Schumacher incident people take the easy route and call them cheat, rather than understand what it is.

Edited by EdwardCullen, 20 July 2011 - 15:40.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 17:11

I dont know why people still go on saying it went unpunished etc etc
and i have read about the loophole numerous times in this very forum

It is that back then there was no rule of taking the penalty within 3 laps ( this i have some doubt)
There was no rule of taking the penalty in the last lap
and nowadays the pit boxes SHOULD come after the start finish line, but back then this was not the case
No rule stating you cannot finish the race on track (these is rule now)

All these loopholes meant the old Brawn and Schumy pair exploited it

Frankly they didnot break any rule back then, it was after this very race did FIA stepped in to close these loopholes

Thats why now you cannot take a drive thru at the final 3 laps, and all the pit boxes comes after start finish line....see this pic http://www.motorspor.....0High Res.jpg you will understand how the pitboxes are placed


Well this being Schumacher incident people take the easy route and call them cheat, rather than understand what it is.


I have no problem with taking the finish line in the pits actually, unless that's demonstrably quicker than doing it on track as it would be in the new layout this year. The problem was that a stop and go penalty entails entering the pits, driving to the box, holding and leaving the pits, the whole thing is the penalty. Schumacher crossed the line and finsihed his race before he even reached his box, the penalty simply wasn't taken within the race.

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Posted 20 July 2011 - 17:33

I have no problem with taking the finish line in the pits actually, unless that's demonstrably quicker than doing it on track as it would be in the new layout this year. The problem was that a stop and go penalty entails entering the pits, driving to the box, holding and leaving the pits, the whole thing is the penalty. Schumacher crossed the line and finsihed his race before he even reached his box, the penalty simply wasn't taken within the race.

lol, have you been paying attention? :drunk:

Back in 1998 the silverstone race track's first pit box was before the start finish line! ( which was moved forward after that race when FIA closed the loophole)
Which means that he took the penalty before finishing the race, so taking the penalty and then finishing the race.
What he gained was time taken to do the outlap! which was IMO exploiting a loophole

and moreover if i remember correctly the penalty handed to Schumacher was wrong and the Stewards admitted their mistakes

Edited by EdwardCullen, 20 July 2011 - 17:41.


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Posted 20 July 2011 - 18:20

lol, have you been paying attention? :drunk:

Back in 1998 the silverstone race track's first pit box was before the start finish line! ( which was moved forward after that race when FIA closed the loophole)
Which means that he took the penalty before finishing the race, so taking the penalty and then finishing the race.
What he gained was time taken to do the outlap! which was IMO exploiting a loophole

and moreover if i remember correctly the penalty handed to Schumacher was wrong and the Stewards admitted their mistakes



http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Listen to Brundle at 0.36 secs, Schumacher crossed the finish line before reaching his box.

#11390 Jomyboy

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 04:52

Did anyone catch SCHUMACHER REVEALED that was on CNN 11pm Indian time?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:05

Bearing in mind that Schumacher did a chop on Frentzen while leaving the pits in that very same race, I find it a tad hypocritical to complain when he's on the receiving end :p

Don't get me wrong, Michael was a world class driver in his day, but he had his share of dodgy moves.

Ha! Now that you mention it, that was actually the same race. In fact, that particular incident put him back behind Hill who made the triple defense move on Schumacher. He called it all upon himself :smoking:

On a serious note: I'd like to put MSC vs HHF in the category Button - Hamilton 13 years later, I think a good chunk of clumpsiness was going on there and he apologized for it, although at that time the move was reasonably good for his amount of WDC points. If it were Driver X vs Driver X, it would have probably been less discussed and called a newb moment, can you agree with that?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 09:16

As has been pointed out, Hill was racing at the time, not being lapped so had every right to fight.

Silverstone was an interesting race in the sense that schumacher won the race without taking his stop and go penalty. Unfortunately it was during the Mosley years when Ferrari went unpunished for most things so the win stood.

That doesn't acknowledge the point you are making. During both times Hill showed poor sportsmanship. If you're actively hindering a championship contender (Suzuka) for 3 seconds or blocking him in extreme ways (Canada), that tells you something. I don't want to go as far as calling Hill a bad driver because he wasn't. He was also not superduper either. But then again, you can say that Hill had not much opportunity to hinder MSC simply because after 1995 MSC was still consistently in the top while Hill dropped back due to bad cars. Thing is, nobody will ever know how far this would have gone but these two incidents are just not great to look at.

You might want to drag Suzuka 1998 here by its hairs to call Hill being in his right. And he was during that race. At that moment, although he was called aside in order to not hinder his own race (and Jordan's quest for P4 in the WCC) and Schumacher, he decided to take on the fight. That's his call and he handled it well so no harm done there.

Edited by Jejking, 21 July 2011 - 09:20.


#11393 FlashMaster

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 12:49

MS @ Norschleife :love:

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Hopefully we'll see the video soon

#11394 Prost1997T

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 14:03

That doesn't acknowledge the point you are making. During both times Hill showed poor sportsmanship. If you're actively hindering a championship contender (Suzuka) for 3 seconds or blocking him in extreme ways (Canada), that tells you something. I don't want to go as far as calling Hill a bad driver because he wasn't. He was also not superduper either. But then again, you can say that Hill had not much opportunity to hinder MSC simply because after 1995 MSC was still consistently in the top while Hill dropped back due to bad cars. Thing is, nobody will ever know how far this would have gone but these two incidents are just not great to look at.


I'm not saying Damon was immune to errors in judgement, if anything letting MSc get to him mentally was what wrecked his 1995 season.

You might want to drag Suzuka 1998 here by its hairs to call Hill being in his right. And he was during that race. At that moment, although he was called aside in order to not hinder his own race (and Jordan's quest for P4 in the WCC) and Schumacher, he decided to take on the fight. That's his call and he handled it well so no harm done there.


He was stuck behind JV's Williams anyway (probably why he was pitted before Jacques and Michael).

#11395 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 17:28

Reading the press conference transcript, Schumacher seems a bit fed up with all the retirement questions:

Q. (Marc Ellerich – Sport1) Mr Schumacher, there are reports that maybe it's the last time that the Grand Prix will take place at the Nurburgring. What is your comment on that?

MS: It would be a shame.


However, he was having some fun there with Vettel and when asked about why there are so many German drivers in F1, Rosberg's answer was:

NR: Surely, Michael himself is also responsible for there being so many good Germans in racing, because he's the one who gave the sport such a boom in Germany, and then there's a knock-on effect from there, that more kids want to start racing, there's more money to support them and everything.

The rest was covered in the news reports, about how everyone is positive MGP is heading in the right direction.

#11396 arknor

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 18:32

MS @ Norschleife :love:

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Hopefully we'll see the video soon

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#11397 Raelene

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:30

Bearing in mind that Schumacher did a chop on Frentzen while leaving the pits in that very same race, I find it a tad hypocritical to complain when he's on the receiving end :p

Don't get me wrong, Michael was a world class driver in his day, but he had his share of dodgy moves.



there was a little more to that "incident"...but I'm sure you will remember what happened at the end of the pit lanes with the lights...

Michael's made dirty moves, but that one.... himmmm, a bit more to do with the lights at the end of pit lane than "scaring a driver" off the track...

#11398 Prost1997T

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:32

there was a little more to that "incident"...but I'm sure you will remember what happened at the end of the pit lanes with the lights...

Michael's made dirty moves, but that one.... himmmm, a bit more to do with the lights at the end of pit lane than "scaring a driver" off the track...


So drivers leave the pits without even a glance in their mirrors? Or are you saying HHF was alongside before Michael could see him?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:33

??? where did I say anything of the sort - look at the video - MS would have seen him - but they didn't touch at all - HHF just got scared.

Do you remember the issue with the lights?

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:35

Reading the press conference transcript, Schumacher seems a bit fed up with all the retirement questions:

Q. (Marc Ellerich – Sport1) Mr Schumacher, there are reports that maybe it's the last time that the Grand Prix will take place at the Nurburgring. What is your comment on that?

MS: It would be a shame.


Sorry but I got to correct you there. At first I also thought they were talking about never coming back to Nürburgring because of MSC retiring after 2012 (next year, it's Hockenheim's turn again).
But actually the reason is that the administration of the federal state is about to reduce their subsidies for the GP and, therefore, the race might be cancelled.