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#11401 Prost1997T

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:37

??? where did I say anything of the sort


You seem to be defending the move. Or at least that's how your post came across.

Do you remember the issue with the lights?


No. It's a good thing the pit exit was changed later though...having cars exit directly into 190mph traffic on the kink wasn't a great design.

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#11402 fieraku

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:37

I'm a LH fan but wanted to say I've been supporting Schumi since his comeback,wasn't a big fan before.
So my wish for this GP is a MS podium,as has been for a while now. :)

#11403 Raelene

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:39

the lights ast the end of pit lane were supposed to show when another car was coming down - they didn

MS got a penalty - even though Patrick Head was going to do everything to get him thrown out of the race

re: the move - I don't think it was deliberate - he came out, he went next to HHF, he corrected, HHF got scared, they didn't touch, HHF went on the grass MS got a penalty.

here's the overhead - maybe you haven't really seen it properly if you didn't know about the lights at the end of pit lane.

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related



#11404 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 21:41

Sorry but I got to correct you there. At first I also thought they were talking about never coming back to Nürburgring because of MSC retiring after 2012 (next year, it's Hockenheim's turn again).
But actually the reason is that the administration of the federal state is about to reduce their subsidies for the GP and, therefore, the race might be cancelled.


Ah, good to know. Any GP with Michael Schumacher S is good enough to stay on the F1 calendar in my book. :D


#11405 SCUDmissile

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 22:09

what car is MS driving? is it a lemans car or someting? :love:

#11406 ch103

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 22:47

I say this as a lifelong MSC fan.

When people refer to MSC's strength's as a driver they reference his ability to develop a car. Some even say it makes up for his weaknesses in his talent.

So does that fact that this year, Mercedes is so far off proof of just how bad the car is? Because with MSC developing the car, and still being this far back, it just shows how slim but significant that mechanical know how of RBR, Ferrari and McLaren have over the German Giant.

Or can we say that MSC's in ability to move the Benz to the front of the grid is consequence of no testing?

anyway, just some thoughts....

I really really hope for rain on Sunday - give the Germans, and all MSC fans a chance to see him race in the rain again!



#11407 scheivlak

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 22:51

what car is MS driving? is it a lemans car or someting? :love:

It's the streamlined version of the 1954 F1 car, the W196 http://www.ddavid.co...la1/merc196.htm

F1 cars were allowed to have a streamlined bodywork like that at the time.

#11408 Raelene

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 23:19

I say this as a lifelong MSC fan.

When people refer to MSC's strength's as a driver they reference his ability to develop a car. Some even say it makes up for his weaknesses in his talent.

So does that fact that this year, Mercedes is so far off proof of just how bad the car is? Because with MSC developing the car, and still being this far back, it just shows how slim but significant that mechanical know how of RBR, Ferrari and McLaren have over the German Giant.

Or can we say that MSC's in ability to move the Benz to the front of the grid is consequence of no testing?

anyway, just some thoughts....

I really really hope for rain on Sunday - give the Germans, and all MSC fans a chance to see him race in the rain again!



No testing

#11409 ch103

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 23:22

No testing


that would imply, to me, that the Mercedes Benz engineers lack some sort of necessecary creativity to bring "risky" concepts into production.

#11410 SeanValen

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Posted 21 July 2011 - 23:37

that would imply, to me, that the Mercedes Benz engineers lack some sort of necessecary creativity to bring "risky" concepts into production.





Basically forget 2010, 2011 is the first year for the team with the budget they should of had in 2010 but didn't, they were looking to make a big jump straight away, but all the time lost in 2010 is not easy to catch up with. Mercedes the brand, implies a big budget team like ferrari, but redbull for a while now, have more people working for them, something is wrong there, ferrari are ferrari, been there, structures in place, so too mclaren, that's big competition with their simulators and all, important with no testing, and mercedes is working towards getting what those teams have in place in basic structure. You can see fruits of potential, but the bar of redbull/mclaren/ferrari/3 teams is probabley masking the improvements were seeing from mercedes, as Schumacher commented on recently, he's beginning to see things work, but with 3 teams stealing alot of points, they will always look behind in actual results this year, but if they can stamp out some progression to not just getting 4th place team, but showing strong performances, threatening the podium more often, that'll show some building blocks.

It's interesting, with possible testing return being discussed, maybe this winter maybe a better one for mercedes, because I think they lack in house simulator technology compared to redbull/ferrari/mclaren, they could do with testing and Michael on track, I prefer some winter action myself, the small teams and teams building up like mercedes could do with testing, I'm sure the big teams now will want to avoid testing, typical, but I think testing/at least some is important and kinda a ritual for the winter months. I would rather have teams prepared and thing working, the kers/drs issues this year, in the first few races for mercedes, really bad, I'm sure testing would of ironed that out, and the other teams could probably test that better then mercedes.

Edited by SeanValen, 21 July 2011 - 23:42.


#11411 SCUDmissile

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:05

It's the streamlined version of the 1954 F1 car, the W196 http://www.ddavid.co...la1/merc196.htm

F1 cars were allowed to have a streamlined bodywork like that at the time.

oh right. interesting. well, the streamlined version looks better than the normal!

very nice car.

#11412 arknor

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 07:16

I say this as a lifelong MSC fan.

When people refer to MSC's strength's as a driver they reference his ability to develop a car. Some even say it makes up for his weaknesses in his talent.

So does that fact that this year, Mercedes is so far off proof of just how bad the car is? Because with MSC developing the car, and still being this far back, it just shows how slim but significant that mechanical know how of RBR, Ferrari and McLaren have over the German Giant.

Or can we say that MSC's in ability to move the Benz to the front of the grid is consequence of no testing?

anyway, just some thoughts....

I really really hope for rain on Sunday - give the Germans, and all MSC fans a chance to see him race in the rain again!

barrichello did more testing miles at ferrari than schumacher did for some of the years they were team mates , i think irvine was the oposite and just wanted to race

#11413 nOfe4r

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:40

Schumacher is told not to trialbrake. So he must not do what his driving made unique.

The ECU won't switch to "overrun" and the downforce drops. I never thought this driving style could be a disadvantage but just driving "ordinary" can only be bad for someone who always did it the other way. I wonder if he is really enjoying that.

#11414 KiloWatt

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 12:55

Schumacher is told not to trialbrake. So he must not do what his driving made unique.

The ECU won't switch to "overrun" and the downforce drops. I never thought this driving style could be a disadvantage but just driving "ordinary" can only be bad for someone who always did it the other way. I wonder if he is really enjoying that.


Interesting. Unless they changed their ECU map, this can't be a new phenomenon, yet first I've heard of it.

#11415 arknor

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 16:24

Interesting. Unless they changed their ECU map, this can't be a new phenomenon, yet first I've heard of it.

he was warned alot last year in practice sessions aswell (not just today) that he was braking with the throttle on, it was one of the ways he used to carry so much speed through the corners using the brake to balance the car

Edited by arknor, 22 July 2011 - 16:24.


#11416 spacekid

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 16:28

he was warned alot last year in practice sessions aswell (not just today) that he was braking with the throttle on, it was one of the ways he used to carry so much speed through the corners using the brake to balance the car


I get told off for this every time I go karting :p

Seriously though, its an interesting point. Theres an excellent youtube vid with other drivers discussing this aspect of Schumi's driving in the 90s. Explains much.

#11417 puxanando

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 16:59

Schumi can be happy that Alonso is a intelligent racer! :cat:

#11418 salamin

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 17:11

Schumi can be happy that Alonso is a intelligent racer! :cat:


nothing special here...
Schumacher was driving his line, while Alonso made a clumsy attempt to overtake him

#11419 arknor

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 17:42

Schumi can be happy that Alonso is a intelligent racer! :cat:

thats how what the bbc commentary team said, they praised schumacher for his late breaking which caught alonsos clumsy overtaking manouver out.

they also made note that you arent obliged to get out of the way if a faster car comes behind you in a practice session and that doing so could comprimise your program

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#11420 banesi

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 17:47

well, they also said that they think Michael didn't saw Alonso coming at all :D
I hope for a podium finish on sunday!

#11421 puxanando

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:12

I hope for a podium finish on sunday!

:cat: forget it!

#11422 BiH

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:12

Schumacher is told not to trialbrake. So he must not do what his driving made unique.

The ECU won't switch to "overrun" and the downforce drops. I never thought this driving style could be a disadvantage but just driving "ordinary" can only be bad for someone who always did it the other way. I wonder if he is really enjoying that.



was that during practice 2 team radio?



#11423 EdwardCullen

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:17

Schumi can be happy that Alonso is a intelligent driver clumpsy / incompetent overtaker! :cat:

corrected  ;)

:cat: forget it!

Thank you for enlightening us with ur superior wisdom
Now plz crawl back to ur Alonso thread

Edited by EdwardCullen, 22 July 2011 - 18:24.


#11424 arknor

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:49

:cat: forget it!

did alonso ever find those 6 tenths he promised mclaren all those years ago?

#11425 Afterburner

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:53

did alonso ever find those 6 tenths he promised mclaren all those years ago?

"Obvious troll is obvious". Move on, guys.

Positive times from MS in FP2 today, hoping he can continue this form over the weekend. Fingers crossed for a podium if it rains. :)

Edited by Afterburner, 22 July 2011 - 18:54.


#11426 EdwardCullen

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 18:56

has anyone got any good high res pictures of Michael Schumacher on the Michael Schumacher 'S' ? :)

Edited by EdwardCullen, 22 July 2011 - 18:58.


#11427 puxanando

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 21:09

corrected ;)
Now plz crawl back to ur Alonso thread

:well: here are "frontiers" and silly things like this?

#11428 as65p

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 22:13

well, they also said that they think Michael didn't saw Alonso coming at all :D


Yeah, the oldest excuse in racing. Funnily enough with MS at this stage of his career it might even be true. Lots of cars either beside, in front or behind him go unnoticed these days...

#11429 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 22 July 2011 - 23:42

yes, completely ignoring his first laps and successful wheel to wheel moves
but heck, let's not stop the losers from posting. internet is free...

#11430 Sakae

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 00:37

First race at Indy; right hander+S, wheel to wheel with DC - thin piece of paper between them but no contact, fans screaming with delight, Murray gasping for air, unforgetable racing of those two, Michael coming on top.

Edited by Sakae, 23 July 2011 - 00:39.


#11431 spacekid

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:02

Horrible FP3 after an encouraging FP2. Not sure how much to expect from Qualifying. 7th would be great.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:12

Horrible FP3 after an encouraging FP2. Not sure how much to expect from Qualifying. 7th would be great.


His f-duct didn't work.

#11433 Sof1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:21

His KERS didn't work.

#11434 EdwardCullen

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:21

Horrible FP3 after an encouraging FP2. Not sure how much to expect from Qualifying. 7th would be great.

When FP3 started his KERS was not working on his installation lap, i dont think they could fix it during the session....so he ran without it
I hope they can fix it for qualy

#11435 BRK

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 11:30

but heck, let's not stop the losers from posting. internet is free...


But immature fanboy comments and trolling should not be encouraged. There ought to be a mandatory minimum age and IQ requirement for posting on these boards, that will keep out the clowns.

MS was fun to watch yesterday, exploring the limits of the car. Hope they can fix the KERS issue in time for quali, it would be annoying to have yet another weekend ruined because of the KERS\DRS.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:21

When FP3 started his KERS was not working on his installation lap, i dont think they could fix it during the session....so he ran without it
I hope they can fix it for qualy


Cheers mate, hadn't picked up on that.

Both Mercs looking horrible in Q1. Barely faster than the front runners on quicker rubber, and slower than Findia and Renault. Could be struggling to make Q3. Whats happened since yesterday??

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:36

I think a miracle is needed for Q3. His car is all over the place.

#11438 as65p

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:45

MS was fun to watch yesterday, exploring the limits of the car.


That's code for struggling like hell, isn't it? :D

#11439 Sof1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 12:45

Rosberg is doing great by comparison! Wonder whats wrong with Schumi!

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#11440 arknor

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:04

Rosberg is doing great by comparison! Wonder whats wrong with Schumi!

i'd like to think his kers wasnt working again

#11441 Augurk

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:04

Would be interesting to see what happened there. Didn't they manage to fix KERS?

#11442 Massa_f1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:04

sh*t qualfying. It has to be said. :down:

#11443 Urawa

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

Slower than his fp2 time, what´s going on wtf?

Edited by Urawa, 23 July 2011 - 13:05.


#11444 as65p

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

1.2 secs behind Rosberg.

F-duct playing up again, surely! :drunk:

#11445 arknor

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

i'd like to think his kers wasnt working again

That's code for struggling like hell, isn't it? :D

he always used to do that in practice sessions even back in his ferrari and benneton days

#11446 Sof1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

Disastrous!

#11447 EdwardCullen

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

Hard tyres?

#11448 Sof1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

Disastrous!

#11449 Augurk

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:05

Button having similar issues. Odd what happened there.

#11450 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:07

Those were some consistently slow quali laps. :(