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#11451 DutchCruijff

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:09

A combination of KERs and a wet set-up?

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#11452 Massa_f1

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:10

Those were some consistently slow quali laps. :(

Thery were just terrible. I bet he will loose his front wing against Petrov as well.

#11453 EdwardCullen

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:10

Soft tyres confirmed
Maybe like last race he is on wet setup?

#11454 BRK

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:10

Pretty disappointing session for Michael, I would actually be happier if it wasn't a problem with the car as it would mean he had a fair shot at qualifying.

Hope it's a wet race tomorrow, could be fun and games. :D

#11455 Urawa

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:12

He says the car was fine with primes but once he put the options on he loses around 1 second to NR and he couldn´t extract them at all

Edited by Urawa, 23 July 2011 - 13:12.


#11456 ivand911

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:12

What happen all the time in S3? 24,1 against 23,3 for Nico.

#11457 as65p

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:12

he always used to do that in practice sessions even back in his ferrari and benneton days


I know what you refer to from his first career, but I don't think it's anything like what we saw over the past two days. That was simply and ordinarily struggling with the car and track. Just look at the times. If he really was exploring the limits, it evidently got him nowhere today, contrary to the past.

#11458 Diablobb81

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:16

Awefull setup. I haven't seen one clean lap.

#11459 Disgrace

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:17

What the heck was that? No softs left? Did he make a mistake and pull in the pits like Button did?

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#11460 spacekid

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:19

I'm just holding out for rain now.

Its clear the balance on the car is way off. That doesn't excuse his performance gap to Nico, but in different conditions the balance could swing right back Michaels way. Or he'll lose a wing. Can't wait to find out!

#11461 Scotracer

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:27

And he disappoints yet again. I don't know why I watch qualifying expecting anything even average.

#11462 Diablobb81

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:29

Unless it rains tomorrow and he stops making mistakes it's going to be a very long race.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:53

The real problem is that he will start just behind Petrov...

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:55

What I would like to know is what is happening with Schumi in quali, this one in particular where there is a very big difference in Q3 times.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 13:55

Barichello, Button, Heidfeld and Schumacher owned today by their team mates. Do old gunners have more problem with Pirelli on one lap performance? Did their time already pass as far as qualifying concerned?

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 14:05

Most of the time was lost on a short 25 sec sector with a not very demanding chicane and one mid-fast corner.
Can´t understand.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 14:14

He struggled the last 1-2 corners in sector 3 a lot. Very odd.

#11468 YellowHelmet

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 14:21

I think it is the time for the inevitable.



#11469 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:01

Here's hoping for a wet race tomorrow.

Anyone know the possibilites for rain for the race?


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:02

Here's hoping for a wet race tomorrow.

Anyone know the possibilites for rain for the race?

look here

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:07

My German isn't great, but looks like rain early morning, dry race, then rain in the evening?

Shame. I'd be in the mood for a wet race if the drivers were actually allowed to drive in the rain. At least we won't see a race pottering around behind the safety car in damp conditions.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:11

My German isn't great, but looks like rain early morning, dry race, then rain in the evening?

Shame. I'd be in the mood for a wet race if the drivers were actually allowed to drive in the rain. At least we won't see a race pottering around behind the safety car in damp conditions.

i think it maybe wont rain all the race, but to have a race without any shower, i think it wont happen.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:32

Points finish tomorrow will be a good result. 7th-8th will be great, considering.

Edited by ivand911, 23 July 2011 - 15:35.


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:37

Here another: http://www.wetter.co...e...&prev=3days

70% chance of rain at race start and very cold for a summer day.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 15:37

Points finish tomorrow will be a good result. 7th-8th will be great, considering.

yes point finish from side.. would be okay.. go schumi

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:04

Time to retire. Again.

#11477 Augurk

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:07

Time to retire. Again.

He and Button.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:13

Here another: http://www.wetter.co...e...&prev=3days

70% chance of rain at race start and very cold for a summer day.


I'm just glad if there's no heavy rain (none predicted anywhere I looked), as that would mean safety car laps galore. A few showers, why not...

#11479 Diablobb81

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:26

He and Button.


And Massa.

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#11480 spacekid

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:27

Time to retire. Again.


Have you also made the effort to go to the Button thread to demand his retirement? And if not, why not?

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:31

"We did not perform to expectations this afternoon and already this morning the car was not the one I had in my hands up to the first run in P3," said Schumacher. "It felt like I was just sliding around out there and the balance wasn't great.

"We had a KERS problem this morning, which we thought explained the big gap to Nico, however in qualifying I was still nearly a second away and couldn't have matched his time, so we have to analyse deeply what could be the reason for it.


I wonder when the penny will finally drop on that one. Maybe it's just too much to ask for a driver with his history to acknowledge that he ain't anymore who he used to be .

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:43

I wonder when the penny will finally drop on that one. Maybe it's just too much to ask for a driver with his history to acknowledge that he ain't anymore who he used to be .

Do you guys have alzheimer?

In silverstone he was smashing Nico's times (during the race). All season he is on par or eevn etter when it comes to the race (whether you see it or don't want to see it). In qualy the gap is 1.2 sec. Do you really think it is because of him?
Yes he made a mistake, but without it he would have finished 8th. The balance of the car was not good for him and he lost precious time in P3. Everybody knows that if you cannot practice with KERS, your dead meat. KERS working or not, changes the balance of the car and also the way the car is braking the corners (as confirmed by Brawn during that awfull Australian GP). You cannot just set-up a car without KERS for the situation when KERS becomes avaliable again in the next session.

Schumi is on it, whetehr you like it or not. This weekend he is just unfortunate again. PERIOD.



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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:48

I wonder when the penny will finally drop on that one. Maybe it's just too much to ask for a driver with his history to acknowledge that he ain't anymore who he used to be .

hes still shown nico isnt as fast in races as the car is capable of though :wave:

your post history is intresting aswell

#11484 as65p

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 16:54

Do you guys have alzheimer?

In silverstone he was smashing Nico's times (during the race). All season he is on par or eevn etter when it comes to the race (whether you see it or don't want to see it). In qualy the gap is 1.2 sec. Do you really think it is because of him?
Yes he made a mistake, but without it he would have finished 8th. The balance of the car was not good for him and he lost precious time in P3. Everybody knows that if you cannot practice with KERS, your dead meat. KERS working or not, changes the balance of the car and also the way the car is braking the corners (as confirmed by Brawn during that awfull Australian GP). You cannot just set-up a car without KERS for the situation when KERS becomes avaliable again in the next session.

Schumi is on it, whetehr you like it or not. This weekend he is just unfortunate again. PERIOD.


Period, sure. MS' period is long over, that's the thing, weather you like to see it or not.

His recent good performances in the wet / mixed conditions were honourable, but also mislead to a false dawn. Those conditions are far less demanding physically than driving on a bone-dry track, that's why some of the old sparkle showed up again.

Overall, lap-in lap-out during a long tedious season, it appears all a bit too much for him, he's making a hell of lot more mistakes than Rosberg, big and small. Not to speak of that yesterday he needed reminders by his engineer to not stand on the gas during cornering braking... I know he did that in his former life, but by now he's driving like 30 races in the current car and still he hasn't got a handle on it?

Edited by as65p, 23 July 2011 - 17:05.


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 17:10

Time to retire. Again.

Shumacher is invaluable, a legend and an icon. Why can't some just let go? He's 43 and enjoying the sport he loves.And before I get jumped I'm sure the top brass at Merc have assessed the situation better than you,me and any other expert thus hes still an F1 driver. Not for mercy but his skills.


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 17:14

I wonder when the penny will finally drop on that one. Maybe it's just too much to ask for a driver with his history to acknowledge that he ain't anymore who he used to be .


He sure ain't! He seems to be having way more fun than he ever has. A true Champion!

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 17:49

Period, sure. MS' period is long over, that's the thing, weather you like to see it or not.

His recent good performances in the wet / mixed conditions were honourable, but also mislead to a false dawn. Those conditions are far less demanding physically than driving on a bone-dry track, that's why some of the old sparkle showed up again.

Overall, lap-in lap-out during a long tedious season, it appears all a bit too much for him, he's making a hell of lot more mistakes than Rosberg, big and small. Not to speak of that yesterday he needed reminders by his engineer to not stand on the gas during cornering braking... I know he did that in his former life, but by now he's driving like 30 races in the current car and still he hasn't got a handle on it?

Whatever. I still enjoy it. MS is on the track, get over it.

Edited by ivand911, 23 July 2011 - 17:49.


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 17:50

BBC forecast is race for the rain

http://news.bbc.co.u...000/9545244.stm

Although they don't elaborate on how much, when, and for how long.

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Posted 23 July 2011 - 18:00

MS with wet set up or not , and a wet track will be nice thing to see. Did anyone from you expected he to say that he is one wet set up for tomorrow. It is a risk, but what he have left? 9th or 10th. Better to risk it.

Edited by ivand911, 23 July 2011 - 18:02.


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Posted 23 July 2011 - 19:22

the problem is, with so many problems in the handling of the car, i doubt the rain would help him

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 00:04

Schumacher is doing just fine. It's the car that needs to be retired and replaced with a proper one.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 02:43

Whatever. I still enjoy it. MS is on the track, get over it.

Shameless. :blush:
Like the other poster saying that it's all about him enjoying himself! What are you guys on? :rolleyes:

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 05:45

Shameless. :blush:
Like the other poster saying that it's all about him enjoying himself! What are you guys on? :rolleyes:


Probably the same stuff that people that are enjoying watching Schumacher struggling with the car are on. I would have said the same thing, Schumacher is in F1, I am glad the great man is racing again, he isn't leaving until he's done with the contract: GET OVER IT.

I'm amazed at the way this thread goes up and down week after week, I think it's pathetic that the same people bashing him when he's simply having a bad day at the office -happens to every one of them- will disappear like cowards when he's doing well.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 06:53

Schumacher is doing just fine. It's the car that needs to be retired and replaced with a proper one.

Perhaps replace with Rosberg's car as it seems to be quite a bit quicker :cool:


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 07:49

He sure ain't! He seems to be having way more fun than he ever has. A true Champion!

Having seen his interviews on RTL after qualis and races, he has seemed quite pissed off on many occasions. I don`t think he is enjoying it that much at all.

Schumacher is doing just fine. It's the car that needs to be retired and replaced with a proper one.

What do you think MS has a divine right to always have the best car? No driver has enjoyed having such superior and top cars in his career as MS did, it is only morally right that he finally now has a car that is not a top 2 car.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:01

Having seen his interviews on RTL after qualis and races, he has seemed quite pissed off on many occasions. I don`t think he is enjoying it that much at all.


What do you think MS has a divine right to always have the best car? No driver has enjoyed having such superior and top cars in his career as MS did, it is only morally right that he finally now has a car that is not a top 2 car.

He didn't have always top 2 cars. But, with this car we don't expect miracles.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 08:42

Schumacher is doing just fine. It's the car that needs to be retired and replaced with a proper one.


Rosberg doesn't seem to be having so many problems with it, as the 9-1 in qualy statistics would suggest. :lol:
Face it, the guy is just too old, he was great in his day, but it's a disgrace that in a sport with only 24 seats, a much faster driver is being blocked in his progress because of Schumacher's marketing and nostalgia value.
It's as if the Argentina football team dropped Messi and put Maradona back on the pitch because, you know, back in the day he was the best player in the world...

Edited by topical, 24 July 2011 - 08:44.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 09:01

Rosberg doesn't seem to be having so many problems with it, as the 9-1 in qualy statistics would suggest. :lol:
Face it, the guy is just too old, he was great in his day, but it's a disgrace that in a sport with only 24 seats, a much faster driver is being blocked in his progress because of Schumacher's marketing and nostalgia value.
It's as if the Argentina football team dropped Messi and put Maradona back on the pitch because, you know, back in the day he was the best player in the world...

qualy isnt everything in the races rosberg isnt always the fastest.... schumacher just needs to stay accident free and the points gap would be almost nothing

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:41

Rosberg doesn't seem to be having so many problems with it, as the 9-1 in qualy statistics would suggest. :lol:
Face it, the guy is just too old, he was great in his day, but it's a disgrace that in a sport with only 24 seats, a much faster driver is being blocked in his progress because of Schumacher's marketing and nostalgia value.
It's as if the Argentina football team dropped Messi and put Maradona back on the pitch because, you know, back in the day he was the best player in the world...


Disgrace? Really?

So you think Schumi at the moment is slower than Barrichello and Trulli, for instance? And should move aside before them?

Name one driver who is faster than Schumi and would bring more to the Mercedes table in terms of develoment and input.

The fact is there are slower drivers on the grid than Schumi filling up race seats.

I reckon Schumi is in pretty much the right car for his abilities at the moment. I also tend to think Nico is being wasted and should be in a faster car.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:56

Rosberg doesn't seem to be having so many problems with it, as the 9-1 in qualy statistics would suggest. :lol:
Face it, the guy is just too old, he was great in his day, but it's a disgrace that in a sport with only 24 seats, a much faster driver is being blocked in his progress because of Schumacher's marketing and nostalgia value.
It's as if the Argentina football team dropped Messi and put Maradona back on the pitch because, you know, back in the day he was the best player in the world...

Cry me a river!