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#11501 Goron3

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:57

Rosberg doesn't seem to be having so many problems with it, as the 9-1 in qualy statistics would suggest. :lol:
Face it, the guy is just too old, he was great in his day, but it's a disgrace that in a sport with only 24 seats, a much faster driver is being blocked in his progress because of Schumacher's marketing and nostalgia value.
It's as if the Argentina football team dropped Messi and put Maradona back on the pitch because, you know, back in the day he was the best player in the world...


Given Michael's race pace is either better or faster than Nico at most races, your point is invalid. You only had to see their pace at Silverstone to see who was much faster, it was mentioned several times by journalists since. And this is coming from someone who thinks Rosberg is a very impressive driver.

Can people seriously stop posting such crap on this forum, either as an attempt to troll or just as anti schumacher fans trying to have some fun. Any forum is going to get trolls but reading through some of these pages is just embarrassing.

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#11502 as65p

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 10:59

Cry me a river!


Well, that stance I actually support. As long as he's got the seat, he got it (for whatever reason). No use complaining - I wouldn't anyway because it's all good fun watching him these days. :p

#11503 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:01

Given Michael's race pace is either better or faster than Nico at most races, your point is invalid. You only had to see their pace at Silverstone to see who was much faster, it was mentioned several times by journalists since. And this is coming from someone who thinks Rosberg is a very impressive driver.

Can people seriously stop posting such crap on this forum, either as an attempt to troll or just as anti schumacher fans trying to have some fun. Any forum is going to get trolls but reading through some of these pages is just embarrassing.

and the funny part is no Mods ever try to stop this...this only happens in Schumy threads...Kinda gives me a feeling that the Mods love or relish these posts! Maybe they also want to post such thing but cant do it,,... which is really disturbing.!!
probably i will get a warning or my post will be deleted :lol: well i dont care.

#11504 as65p

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:04

...this only happens in Schumy threads...


:drunk: Wut?

You should go out more, starting with visiting other drivers threads... :)

#11505 topical

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:22

Given Michael's race pace is either better or faster than Nico at most races, your point is invalid. You only had to see their pace at Silverstone to see who was much faster, it was mentioned several times by journalists since. And this is coming from someone who thinks Rosberg is a very impressive driver.


MS' race pace is better this year (when he's not crashing into people) but his qualy pace is a disaster. Just look at his figures against his old teammates and compare them to his statistics against Rosberg. I don't think Rosberg is any better than Barrichello or Massa were and MS destroyed those drivers. So either you have to admit he has lost several tenths since those days, and hence is really no longer worthy of a top seat, or there was some other reason why he was beating them by big margins. Either way, you don't have a leg to stand on.


#11506 baddog

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:25

No-one in the sport cares about qualification for itself. The final result on sunday is the only thing of any importance, and thats a different story altogether.

That said, Michael's qualy is NOT good enough still.

#11507 Augurk

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:46

Ok guys guess on which lap he will lose his front wing!

Not gonna ask against whom as that would be too easy.

My guess: lap 7 :up:

#11508 Disgrace

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:46

Against Petrov, surely.

#11509 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:48

Ok guys guess on which lap he will lose his front wing!

Not gonna ask against whom as that would be too easy.

My guess: lap 7 :up:

My guess:1st lap.


#11510 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:53

Lol, its not funny cos its true!!!

Lap 3. Against Petrov.

#11511 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:58

He will lose it for second time in lap 8th.

#11512 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 11:59

Hopefully somewhere were he doesn't lose too much time going to the pits and also no penalty pls. :lol:

#11513 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:00

Hopefully somewhere were he doesn't lose too much time going to the pits and also no penalty pls. :lol:

It is Germany, so no penalty.  ;)


#11514 DutchCruijff

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:01

Have faith in the Regenmeister.

#11515 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:17

In some laps Michael is clearly saving his tyres? Maybe to last longer?

#11516 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:44

Awesome race pace thrown away again.

#11517 DutchCruijff

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:45

Petrov's fault.

#11518 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:48

Thrown away very good race pace with a stupid mistake. He'll finish nowhere now.

Very frustrating, he was faster than Rosberg in the 2nd stint.

Very, very annoying.

#11519 Urawa

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:52

Faster than Rosberg again, mistake again, less points again.
See ya next week

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#11520 Scotracer

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 12:52

I don't know whether to laugh or cry.

#11521 Spa95

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:02

Interesting to see the Stewards being so lenient on Buemi.... :cat:

#11522 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:12

Why, Michael ,why you have to do it always the hardest way???? Next, Perez and Petrov. What is happening all the time in sector 1?

Edited by ivand911, 24 July 2011 - 13:14.


#11523 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:14

I thought Michael should have taken a risk on switching to a 2-stop and going straight to the hard tyre.

Its about a second a lap slower, but with the track temp so low the softs aren't really working. With 20 laps to go it might have worked as a gamble, at worst the time lost would be equal to a pit stop. Anyway.

#11524 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:25

Michael is fastest from the rest. It is Schumy time. :love:

#11525 Urawa

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:27

Michael is fastest from the rest. It is Schumy time. :love:


Frustrating to see what would have been possible, again :(

#11526 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:28

Michael is fastest from the rest. It is Schumy time. :love:


He's looking great, and faster than Nico.

Too late, too late.

Damn that spin.

#11527 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:43

Once again faster than Nico on race pace, once again stupid mistake.

#11528 GoRacing

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:44

He's looking great, and faster than Nico.

Too late, too late.

Damn that spin.


So unfortunate. But he has no one to blame but himself. It's just happening too frequently now, too many mistakes. I don't like to use "if only", but sadly, he might have had a shot at finishing ahead of Sutil, not only Rosberg.

#11529 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:48

As frustrated as I am, Michael gave me some great racing and overtakes today. Can't complain on that score, at times he thrilled me, at times I despaired.

Same as always really :)

#11530 vovelo

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:48

Race pace is still there :up: But again one mistake and he lost too many times on it. Anyway, it was very good race for Michael :)



#11531 Urawa

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:49

Questionable how it can go from 5-1 sec slower in qualifying to reverse in the race.
The last sector was no issue anymore today.

#11532 Disgrace

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:49

If Schumacher gets Q3 right, and doesn't make his usual single massive race error, he would finish ahead of Rosberg a lot more often than he does.

#11533 Goron3

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:51

If Schumacher gets Q3 right, and doesn't make his usual single massive race error, he would finish ahead of Rosberg a lot more often than he does.


How the hell did Schumacher not finish miles behind Rosberg after his incident? If he has a simple race and can qualify in the top 8 he'd be fine.

#11534 spacekid

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:51

Questionable how it can go from 5-1 sec slower in qualifying to reverse in the race.
The last sector was no issue anymore today.


Setup has to play a part of this. I'm convinced that Nico leans more towards a quali set up, while Michael goes more for race set up.

When track position is so important and overtaking so likely to damaging those huuuuuuuuge front wings, we see how that plays out.

#11535 arknor

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:52

its a shame schumacher went drifting his race pace was great as usual and he easily deserved to finish atleast 1 position higher than he did

#11536 DutchCruijff

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:52

11s behind, what could have been.

So-so weekend for him. Poor qualifying, mistake in the race but faster than Rosberg, good start & good racecraft. A typical Schumacher race weekend.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:52

At least he didn't break a front wing today.

Silly error for his spin. Interesting the 2 top Germans did that though.

#11538 Disgrace

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:53

How the hell did Schumacher not finish miles behind Rosberg after his incident? If he has a simple race and can qualify in the top 8 he'd be fine.


Exactly, but it's the same two issues every race and he can't seem to eradicate either, so how is he supposed to stop doing both any time soon? Schumacher seems to have good race pace, unlike last year, so there's potential there. The errors have to stop soon.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:53

I would class myself as big Schumacher fan. I know he still has the race pace. However i dont want him to sign for next season. Another season like this is just a waste for a 7x world champion.
You also have to question what happens to Schumachers car in Qualifying. It is not all driver related that is for sure.

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#11540 Augurk

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:53

Questionable how it can go from 5-1 sec slower in qualifying to reverse in the race.
The last sector was no issue anymore today.

Amazing that EJ in particular on the beeb has to notice whenever Schu is slower than MSC in quali, but never says anything about his race pace when its been so much better than Rosberg pretty much every race this year.

Anyway he would've finished ahead of Rosberg at the most. No way he would've taken Sutil. 2 stopping was the way to go, shame MGP didn't try.

#11541 ivand911

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 13:58

At least he didn't break a front wing today.

Silly error for his spin. Interesting the 2 top Germans did that though.

He lost less time when he lost his wing in Silverstone then today. It was something like 9sec to 14 sec today, if I remember correctly. In the end result was good, I like the race. Could go without the spin, but ooh well. One mistake, but very good moves.

Edited by ivand911, 24 July 2011 - 13:59.


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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:00

The pace looked pretty damn good and very entertaining to watch. But FFS, these stupid mistakes has got to stop. He can do so much better than this.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:01

He keeps pushing and eventually make mistakes. But I like the way he's doing.
MS +2
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next time, more

#11544 DutchCruijff

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:01

I would class myself as big Schumacher fan. I know he still has the race pace. However i dont want him to sign for next season. Another season like this is just a waste for a 7x world champion.
You also have to question what happens to Schumachers car in Qualifying. It is not all driver related that is for sure.

His race pace this season has been better than Rosberg's. His qualifying performances have been dogged down by Mercedes shit. There's not many in the paddock that can replace someone who is easily Rosberg's equivalent.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:23

Alonso, Vettel, Massa and i think Webber too all had their bad moments with mistakes today too. It can happen to anyone when they are pushing especially when MS grid positions are not that good. So I expect the rest of the season to keep going like this with mistakes from MS and a few brilliant races too, but what I don't understand is that his car looks much better and stable with higher fuel and my question is how this is related to MGP's lack of downforce and balance. Yesterday you could see that he was fighting with the car much more than today.

Anyway, its great to see a 7 times WDC showing such spirit at this age, but i would really like to see some more consistency from Michael. Still he is kinda exciting to watch at every race and if he finally gets his hands on a good car we shall see how far he can push it and what he extracts from it. There's a long way to go for MGP and time is not on Michael's side anymore.. :(

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:28

The pace was very good to very impressive today! I couldn't believe it when he set that 35.6 lap, that must've been extremely good.

...but, it's these small mistakes and mishaps...

Hungaroring next up. He should be the fastest Merc-driver there.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:28

http://www.formula1....stest_laps.html

Pretty much sums it up. Top cars in '34, MS in '35, rest '36.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 14:38

http://www.formula1....stest_laps.html

Pretty much sums it up. Top cars in '34, MS in '35, rest '36.

wow, great laptime
such a pitty that he couldnt hold it up....he would have definitely finished ahead of Sutil

#11549 VresiBerba

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:14

Once again faster than Nico on race pace, once again stupid mistake.

It's almost like these things are related, isn't it. Uncanny, even. Perhaps Shumi should concentrate on not being faster than Nico, and just do his thing.

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Posted 24 July 2011 - 15:34

I love watching Schumi race! Not bad for a 43 year young.