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#11701 Paco

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 14:46

cause there is no testing and very little opportunity to understand the car.

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#11702 Kubiccia

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 14:58

Schumy's been pathetic the whole weekend :down:

#11703 fieraku

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:04

Schumacher was absolutely pathetic again. Time to retire and not shame Mercedes any more.

Is Bernie handing out medals for qualifying? :stoned:

#11704 ivand911

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:04

Schumy's been pathetic the whole weekend :down:

Why, what was your expectations? Pole? He is better than Silverstone and Germany.


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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:05

Because if they fixed it you would have no one to cheer for.

Schuamcher has been average in q3 since he returned. He is either making mistakes, or he is being too cautious. It can't be the car every single race weekend, as the car seems fine in all the other sessions including the race. He obviously doesn't like doing one hot lap in q3, so I don't see what the team can do to fix that, except for giving him two hot laps and hoping that he gets one of them right.


Well i dont know why he or the team insists on doing one run in Q3 they do it everytime. Anyway its done for another weekend. This will no doubt be yet another wasted weekend for the 7 times world champion. As much as i am a fan of his, ever since Valencia all i want him to do now is retire. Podiums arent coming never mind wins and they never will be in that car.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:06

Why, what was your expectations? Pole? He is better than Silverstone and Germany.

He is all over the place. If you watch an onboard, he loses it in almost every corner and that's why the huge gap.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:09

He is all over the place. If you watch an onboard, he loses it in almost every corner and that's why the huge gap.

And if he didn't he'd get pole right?

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:09

He is all over the place. If you watch an onboard, he loses it in almost every corner and that's why the huge gap.

So, according to you situation tomorrow will be the same. Will see.


#11709 fieraku

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:11

One thing is certain,Schumi will be infront of Nico by turn 1.

#11710 ivand911

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:12

One thing is certain,Schumi will be infront of Nico by turn 1.

Yeah, 78,3 % by the end of lap 1.

Edited by ivand911, 30 July 2011 - 15:13.


#11711 fieraku

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:13

Yeah, 78,3 %.

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#11712 exmayol

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:13

Well i dont know why he or the team insists on doing one run in Q3 they do it everytime. Anyway its done for another weekend. This will no doubt be yet another wasted weekend for the 7 times world champion. As much as i am a fan of his, ever since Valencia all i want him to do now is retire. Podiums arent coming never mind wins and they never will be in that car.

Sorry to disappoint you but MS aint a quitter so retirement is not on the agenda. I don't understand how one may want him to retire looking at his driving in recent races. Hes been alive and pleasure to watch.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:16

Anyway its done for another weekend. This will no doubt be yet another wasted weekend for the 7 times world champion.

Yeah Rossi is rubbish.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:19

Hungaroring magnifies the weaknesses of MGP. This is why Michael's position on the starting grid is not bad at all. I hope some brave movements in the first lap. Although he (and Rosberg) will likely be lapped by the top cars but they can collect some important points to stabilize 4th place among constructors. That's the most this team can deliver in 2011.

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#11715 Massa_f1

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:22

Sorry to disappoint you but MS aint a quitter so retirement is not on the agenda. I don't understand how one may want him to retire looking at his driving in recent races. Hes been alive and pleasure to watch.


I just think its for the best in all honesty. It dosent make me any less of a fan. I followed him since 96 have all his caps and minichamps modlels etc. The results he wants are not going to come within the time he has left as a full time racing driver. (with that team anyway)

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:30

Schumy's been pathetic the whole weekend :down:


He's been on the pace of Rosberg all weekend.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 15:55

Schuamcher has been average in q3 since he returned.


But in a streak of races he was just 100ths away from Rosberg on options or primes.

Then something happened and his car is all over the place on options on low fuel.

I have no clue why it happened and we get no info from team or driver. But the points are awarded tomorrow.

Quali is not the main concern right now as long as he can make q3. But he has to stop making mistakes in the race.

#11718 SeanValen

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 16:11

But in a streak of races he was just 100ths away from Rosberg on options or primes.

Then something happened and his car is all over the place on options on low fuel.

I have no clue why it happened and we get no info from team or driver. But the points are awarded tomorrow.

Quali is not the main concern right now as long as he can make q3. But he has to stop making mistakes in the race.





Alonso and Webber off their teamates as well, show how sensitive these tyres are as well. Who knows in comparisons with different driver/teams/set ups, every tweak here and there makes the difference between quali and race, maybe why Michael has been overall there in the race.

Michael I think is doing the correct thing, Rosberg only makes it look worser on Saturday, because he has fallen back from his qualifying grid many times on Sunday, showing his qualifying pace is being used as a grid position to hold off cars, stay stationed if possible or fall back, but Michael, how many times has he moved through the field.

Qualifying still seems like a day for alot of people to evalaute drivers, but it's never been the same qualifying since 2003, once race warm up sessions went on Sunday, and changes to the car after qualifying were fixed, it essentially became not the qualifying the purists enjoyed and could evaluate a hotlap, now qualifying set up is linked with the race.. It's never been the same, currently with this type of Merc car, and because you have DRS and Kers, race performance might as well be maximised. If Michael didn't have DRS+KERS, his qualifying approach/race approach may have been different, who knows.

Edited by SeanValen, 30 July 2011 - 16:32.


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Posted 30 July 2011 - 16:17

Today Schumacher had the same problems like Weber had they both do not know why there is such a difference in qualification time to their team mates. They both had problems with these super soft tires which did not provide the necessary grip for them in one quick lap. So Schumacher was not the only one with problems today.

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#11720 rog

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 16:36

He's been on the pace of Rosberg all weekend.



Not really. On his race simulation he was slower as well as one lap performance (in all three practice sessions slower +Qualifying).


But in a streak of races he was just 100ths away from Rosberg on options or primes.



But only because Rosbergs third sector was very bad, lost three or four tenths there and Schumacher drove a second fast lap while Rosberg only one fast lap.

Edited by rog, 30 July 2011 - 16:39.


#11721 Clatter

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 16:41

cause there is no testing and very little opportunity to understand the car.


That's a great excuse to use for a rookie, but really isn't valid for someone of MS's experience, plus it's the same for everyone.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 16:51

This has been a pattern all season really, we don't need to make excuses or really take a look into it. Schumacher is under performing in qualifying unfortunately normally Q3 is a bit of an anti-climax. His race pace is generally much better, as is his fight... hopefully he can eradicate those little errors in the race and he'll bring home the points.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 17:01

And if he didn't he'd get pole right?

no but he shouldn't be so behind his team mate.

If his race pace is better than Nico's tomorrow, I'll be impressed.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 17:07

no but he shouldn't be so behind his team mate.

If his race pace is better than Nico's tomorrow, I'll be impressed.


Race pace doesn't mean a damn thing, finishing in front of your teammate does!

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 17:37

Race pace doesn't mean a damn thing, finishing in front of your teammate does!

it does if you want to be hired as a #1 driver

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 17:37

But only because Rosbergs third sector was very bad, lost three or four tenths there and Schumacher drove a second fast lap while Rosberg only one fast lap.


Sorry, i should have been more clear.

I meant in a string of races he has on pace with Rosberg (Canada, Monaco, Spain). And then for the last races he is a more than half a sec slower on options. There has to be an explanation and we have none from team or journos. Are they focusing on different set ups? Did the new parts hurt Michael? He just simply can't find a balance for quali?

#11727 spa08

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 17:47

it does if you want to be hired as a #1 driver


Schumacher hasn't shown enough of that to justify his place in the team. He should retire at the end of the season as he and the car are not quick enough!

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 18:02

Let's see what tomorrow brings but so far this weekend doesnt seem to be his, and im sure that's not because a lack of trying.

Although i believe he will again be a lot closer if not in front of Rosberg. But im actually more excited to see him at Spa and Monza.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 18:07

Not worried; he'll pick up 1-2 spots in the first lap.

#11730 ivand911

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 18:24

In Germany Qualification both cars were different, it was easy to see from the pictures. I post them 1-2 pages ago. For me Michael is setting his car for heavy fuel and just accept the Q3 result(so his today result was not so bad). It is normal his car/result to be not in the best shape when Q3 come. Nico on other side is focusing for Q3, lower fuel. When race come he have problems, because then his car is not at the best form. Or we can look from other side, team know Nico don't have much chance to move forward so they do everything to put him forward as they can in Q3. He just need to keep his position. And by having drivers on different strategy,this help the team to understand the car better.

Edited by ivand911, 30 July 2011 - 18:26.


#11731 Diablobb81

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 19:14

The heart is still there

adamcooperf1 #F1 Walked down quiet pitlane an hour or so before FP3, only driver I saw in a garage, and already working away, was Schumacher
adamcooperf1 #F1 Michael was examining front of car, talking to engineers and mechanics, doing his homework. Impressive as ever...


#11732 spa08

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 19:40

The heart is still there

adamcooperf1 #F1 Walked down quiet pitlane an hour or so before FP3, only driver I saw in a garage, and already working away, was Schumacher
adamcooperf1 #F1 Michael was examining front of car, talking to engineers and mechanics, doing his homework. Impressive as ever...


The heart may still be there but the ability is not

#11733 ivand911

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 20:34

The heart may still be there but the ability is not

LOL, at 42 there is enough ability for 9th and Q3. Tomorrow he have chance to take 8th in WDC. Not bad. Some of the drivers will never even have his ability at 42.

There is chance for rain tomorrow, 50 %.

Edited by ivand911, 30 July 2011 - 20:49.


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Posted 30 July 2011 - 20:53

LOL, at 42 there is enough ability for 9th and Q3. Tomorrow he have chance to take 8th in WDC. Not bad. Some of the drivers will never even have his ability at 42.

There is chance for rain tomorrow, 50 %.


Barrichello is not much younger and he's coping well with a young talented teammate in Maldonado, so the age excuse is not cutting it I'm afraid, plus schumacher is the so called greatest of all time and barrichello is an also ran

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 20:55

The heart may still be there but the ability is not

Im sure it still is there the problem is with the very limited testing you can't develop things as fast as he used to be able to do at Ferrari.

He hasnt lost the abilty to pinpoint a problem and translate it to the engineers but a cure takes a lot longer these days in F1.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 20:59

Yeah Rossi is rubbish.

:lol: I know you don't mean that, but your comment is far from wrong. The parallels are eye catching. Rossi and Schumacher have their reputations and now the machinery is not top shelf they aren't finding it easy to lead their respective teams forward. Their teammates are making them look ordinary. They both look like they are last generation pilots, which of course they now are. Time marches on. I wouldn't bet on either of them winning again (certainly not titles in Michael's case).

However with the tyre preservation issues with the current tyres I would be fairly sure Michael has a totally different setup to hopefully (for him) better deal with the issues in the race

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 21:07

Barrichello is not much younger and he's coping well with a young talented teammate in Maldonado, so the age excuse is not cutting it I'm afraid, plus schumacher is the so called greatest of all time and barrichello is an also ran

How many time Rubens finish ahead of Maldonado? And in Qualification. It is not surprising that when they work with one strategy(for Qualy and race). Michael and Nico have different strategy ,from here different Q3 result. Do you think that Michael with race setup in Qualy, don't know that in Q3 he will be slower than Nico? I am sure he know it very well. Did he care? I don't think so.
http://forums.autosp...a...t&p=5197368
As I said points are given tomorrow. Not on Saturday.

Edited by ivand911, 30 July 2011 - 21:08.


#11738 Clatter

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 21:09

Barrichello is not much younger and he's coping well with a young talented teammate in Maldonado, so the age excuse is not cutting it I'm afraid, plus schumacher is the so called greatest of all time and barrichello is an also ran


RB didn't have 2 years sitting on the sidelines either. IMHO it's those 2 years out of the game that are the problem and I don't think he will fully get back to his previous position.

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Posted 30 July 2011 - 21:11

Im sure it still is there the problem is with the very limited testing you can't develop things as fast as he used to be able to do at Ferrari.

He hasnt lost the abilty to pinpoint a problem and translate it to the engineers but a cure takes a lot longer these days in F1.


That's the same for all teams, and whilst it accounts for the teams overall position in relation to the other teams it doesn't account for his performance in relation to NR who has the same issues to deal with.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 04:52

Onto the race, folks, should be fun and entertaining. More of Schumacher pushing on the limit in below par machinery for 70 odd laps. :up:

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 05:52

Onto the race, folks, should be fun and entertaining. More of Schumacher pushing on the limit in below par machinery for 70 odd laps. :up:


Correction: M Schumacher pushing his limit which is far from being the limit of the car.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 07:38

Barrichello is not much younger and he's coping well with a young talented teammate in Maldonado, so the age excuse is not cutting it I'm afraid, plus schumacher is the so called greatest of all time and barrichello is an also ran


So you seriously think that Maldonado, a rookie, is on the same pace as Rosberg (who is starting his 100th Grand Prix this weekend)?





.. :drunk:

#11743 Augurk

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:42

Somehow my jesting question for people to predict in what lap Michael would have an incident has been removed, as is Ivan's answer to it. I wonder why? It's just a bit of innocent fun, coming from a Schumacher fan. I meant no harm with it.

Bit too strict if you ask me.

#11744 ivand911

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:42

It's raining now...

Rain,Rain,Rain. :clap:


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Posted 31 July 2011 - 10:58

Rain rain :clap:
Hope Schumy does good like canada :up:
All the best

Somehow my jesting question for people to predict in what lap Michael would have an incident has been removed, as is Ivan's answer to it. I wonder why? It's just a bit of innocent fun, coming from a Schumacher fan. I meant no harm with it.

Bit too strict if you ask me.

No it's called trolling , that's why it was deleted




#11746 Augurk

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:00

No it's called trolling , that's why it was deleted

Oh come on. A fan that can laugh at his driver being prone to incidents is now mistaken for trolling?

#11747 ClubmanGT

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:08

Correction: M Schumacher pushing his limit which is far from being the limit of the car.


Yea just like we saw in Canada, remember?

#11748 Tardis40

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:10

Guys, if you can manage to ignore the trolls they will soon go away. Use your block list.

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:11

Yea just like we saw in Canada, remember?


Yep, 1 out of about thirty races when he looked anything like his former self. :)

But indeed the conditions today could see another of those elusive days, at least if he can avoid shedding bits of his car.

#11750 BRK

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Posted 31 July 2011 - 11:16

Yea just like we saw in Canada, remember?


Some aren't bright enough to realize they're implying Schumacher's limit is beyond what the car is capable of, I guess. :lol:

Guys, if you can manage to ignore the trolls they will soon go away. Use your block list.


Please. Keep the thread clean.:up: