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#12301 GerhardBerger

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 08:54

Fair enough. I mistook your comment about Jean not realizing until 97 just how good and motivated Schumacher was as referring to his driving talent, when you meant his team work. My mistake.


No worries. You're right on the number 1/number 2 status.

From the archives:

"This year's Ferrari team will be an interesting one to watch. Irvine has always said that Schumacher is the best driver in the world. But, are his off-season comments about following team orders genuine? Will he not only let but also help Schumacher win? Perhaps."

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#12302 mrmusicman

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 09:31

Hakkinen/Coulthard? Massa/Raikonnen?


Massa and Kimi were always evenly matched in pace. It's true that mika did have some ups and down like the first half of 1997 when David dominated him, and in 2001, but these were short periods and I think exceptions to the rule.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:30

In my eyes it's crystal clear.

Schumacher never was the greatest, and now he doesn't have moving over team mates (and other teams with the engine's of the team he drove for). He always already did it in plain sight, and one could chose to like it or dislike it. I chose the later, and saw for what he and it was. A fraud. A hoaxer and often cheated and got caught as well. Hmmmm

But hey, ... there are also people who liked Tyson eating an ear during a boxing match, right? Well, ... it's all a matter of perception. But in F1, the winner is NOT, I repeat, is not the "best" .

#12304 spacekid

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:45

If Carl Lewis turned up to the Olympics next year he wouldn't win a single medal.

Thats it then, 1984 was all just a big scam.

#12305 GerhardBerger

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 10:53


I'm sure Irvine and Barrichello were all actually faster than Schumacher but they always held back/let him through to make sure he won. Very smart tactics by Ferrari there, making the faster driver a number 2 driver.

Edited by GerhardBerger, 12 August 2011 - 10:54.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:03

Schumacher never was the greatest, and now he doesn't have moving over team mates (and other teams with the engine's of the team he drove for). He always already did it in plain sight, and one could chose to like it or dislike it. I chose the later, and saw for what he and it was. A fraud. A hoaxer and often cheated and got caught as well. Hmmmm

Excluding the excess... what about Ross Brawn's hole in all this.

At Ferrari, Ross B guaranted that MS was always superior to Rubens B using all means available.

But at Mercedes, Ross B was the boss and invited MS to the team.
Possibly with the same handicaped conditions, isn't it?
We know that since MS came in, Ross B was demoted from full management of the team, because Ross B sold his shares to Mercedes.

So what went wrong ?
Is Mercedes interfering in favor of Nico ?
Avoiding special treatment to MS ?
Did Ross betray MS and exposed him ?

Edited by AirWebber, 12 August 2011 - 11:05.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:08

I'm sure Irvine and Barrichello were all actually faster than Schumacher but they always held back/let him through to make sure he won. Very smart tactics by Ferrari there, making the faster driver a number 2 driver.

:lol:

#12308 CaptainJackSparrow

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:22

Well if Schumi does go it'll be interesting to see what affect it has on the driver's market, could be intriguing.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:25

Thats it then, 1984 was all just a big scam.


Well track&field in the 80's (and even today) could be said to have been one big scam. Just think of the records made during the time..One can only smile now. :)

#12310 zack1994

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:33

MS was on something like 50 million, and Eddie was on about 3! They were not supposed to be two equal drivers brought in to see who would get ahead. Ferrari brought in reigning and double WDC MS (The only WDC in the sport mind you) in to win, and paid big time for him. They already new just how good and motivated he was in 95, hence the insane and unprecedented pay check.

At the first week of testing they had something like 5 cars for only MS to drive, and not 1 for Eddie Irvine. It was no secret at the time that Eddie was just there to drive the second car, and got almost no testing whatsoever in 96. As years went on he got much more time in the car and started to perform much better (hence why he was right with MS in the championship points race in 99 when Schumacher broke his leg).

Michael was undisputed number 1 from day 1. This has never even been in debate. If anything he actually lost a bit of control as time went on. But it is not like Jean got to the start of 97 and said; "you know, this guy is better than I though. I think we should give him all of our support."

He was 6 points behind schumacher before the british gp but that was not on pace at all.
Eddie having more testing changed nothing, as after schumachers return he outqualified irvine by a second then outqualified irvine by 1.5 in japan and then finished ahead of him in the race by 1 minute and 35 seconds, so nothing changed.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:34

With Michael's teammates it was amazing how according to people here they either had no testing or were forced to endlessly test tyres etc for Michael. Often at the same time.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 11:58

:lol:

Freedom of speech is a b***h sometimes.

#12313 GerhardBerger

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:33

Excluding the excess... what about Ross Brawn's hole in all this.

At Ferrari, Ross B guaranted that MS was always superior to Rubens B using all means available.

But at Mercedes, Ross B was the boss and invited MS to the team.
Possibly with the same handicaped conditions, isn't it?
We know that since MS came in, Ross B was demoted from full management of the team, because Ross B sold his shares to Mercedes.

So what went wrong ?
Is Mercedes interfering in favor of Nico ?
Avoiding special treatment to MS ?
Did Ross betray MS and exposed him ?


At Ferrari Schumacher was almost always quicker than Barrichello. It made sense to put him as number 1, even though they took the team orders a bit too far on occasion.

At Mercedes, Schumacher is slower than Rosberg, so it would make no sense to put him as number 1. Ross Brawn may have a great working relationship with Schumacher, but he's not stupid.


#12314 spa08

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 12:38

He was 6 points behind schumacher before the british gp but that was not on pace at all.
Eddie having more testing changed nothing, as after schumachers return he outqualified irvine by a second then outqualified irvine by 1.5 in japan and then finished ahead of him in the race by 1 minute and 35 seconds, so nothing changed.


Did you watch the Irvine interview on the B.B.C forum, Irvine was on the verge of winning Ferrari there first title in donkeys years, to say Schumacher would want this to happen is crazy.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 13:14

With Michael's teammates it was amazing how according to people here they either had no testing or were forced to endlessly test tyres etc for Michael. Often at the same time.

Yeah that tickles. Sadly, Forix doesn't go back to 1996, but I wanted to check the 1996 version of events pasted earlier. The earliest I could go was 1999. Irvine was top by a long way in km's driven (having fixed legs help).

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 13:19

Everybody is just copying what "Corriere dello Sport" article said! Which has now been deleted! And Michael schumacher's Manager has denied this reports and has said that Schumi did not speak to Corriere dello Sport people since his comeback!


http://www.google.co.....i-sul-ritiro/ <- Someone from Corriere dello Sport explains (not really) how the news ended up on their website. :drunk:

Edited by Spa95, 12 August 2011 - 13:20.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 13:42

Excluding the excess... what about Ross Brawn's hole in all this.

At Ferrari, Ross B guaranted that MS was always superior to Rubens B using all means available.

But at Mercedes, Ross B was the boss and invited MS to the team.
Possibly with the same handicaped conditions, isn't it?
We know that since MS came in, Ross B was demoted from full management of the team, because Ross B sold his shares to Mercedes.

So what went wrong ?
Is Mercedes interfering in favor of Nico ?
Avoiding special treatment to MS ?
Did Ross betray MS and exposed him ?

Simple!! Mercedes got a shock that with or without preferential treatment in MS favour.... Nico Rosberg still consistently gave him a thrashing on track. Merc & Shcumi got a reality check.

I think they realized it mid-way through 2010 when Merc & Brawn listened to MS and changed the cars design to suit him.... and that car turned out to be a disaster. In the process, they managed to screw Rosberg as well who had gotten Mercedes podium and great finishes until then.

For Mercedes, MS went from No.1 to Dud. Now all they have left is a 42 year old man with past glories. Nothing more.

Edited by Nivra, 12 August 2011 - 13:46.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 13:47

He was 6 points behind schumacher before the british gp but that was not on pace at all.
Eddie having more testing changed nothing, as after schumachers return he outqualified irvine by a second then outqualified irvine by 1.5 in japan and then finished ahead of him in the race by 1 minute and 35 seconds, so nothing changed.


Irvine was getting closer to Schumacher every year. By 99 and the few races before silverstone he was nearly at Schumachers speed. This lead to questions at the time about Schuamcher's state of mind. Many thought that he was perhaps burnt out from challenging at the front for so many years, and was no longer going as fast as he could. Irvine was also upsetting the cart that year, saying that he was going to race for the championship, and that he will not accept a number two contract in 2000 (this was all before silverstone). Certainly after he broke his leg and came back many considered the time out to be a refresher period for him, and that he was back to his best. Whatever the case, when Schumacher did come back, Irvine was now not at his best. He had been getting slower every race, making silly mistakes, and just seemed to be cracking under the championship pressure.

The obvious speed difference between Schumacher and Irvine after Michael's return was certainly not there before Silverstone. Maybe Schuamcher regained his old form or Eddie lost his (or maybe a combination of both). But certainly something changed.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 13:49


I think they realized it mid-way through 2010 when Merc & Brawn listened to MS and changed the cars design to suit him.... and that car turned out to be a disaster. In the process, they managed to screw Rosberg as well who had gotten Mercedes podium and great finishes until then.

You got any source or link for the above claim?
or are you just making it up ?

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#12320 spa08

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 14:31

Irvine was getting closer to Schumacher every year. By 99 and the few races before silverstone he was nearly at Schumachers speed. This lead to questions at the time about Schuamcher's state of mind. Many thought that he was perhaps burnt out from challenging at the front for so many years, and was no longer going as fast as he could. Irvine was also upsetting the cart that year, saying that he was going to race for the championship, and that he will not accept a number two contract in 2000 (this was all before silverstone). Certainly after he broke his leg and came back many considered the time out to be a refresher period for him, and that he was back to his best. Whatever the case, when Schumacher did come back, Irvine was now not at his best. He had been getting slower every race, making silly mistakes, and just seemed to be cracking under the championship pressure.

The obvious speed difference between Schumacher and Irvine after Michael's return was certainly not there before Silverstone. Maybe Schuamcher regained his old form or Eddie lost his (or maybe a combination of both). But certainly something changed.


In Japan 99 Eddie said he was 2 secs off the pace which was bizarre, I don't believe like Eddie Jordan said, that Ferrari gave Irvine all the support he needed to win the championship. Call me a conspiracy theorist, I do believe they purposely jeopardised his title bid as there's not a chance in the world that Irvine was that much slower than Michael on pace.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 14:35

In Japan 99 Eddie said he was 2 secs off the pace which was bizarre, I don't believe like Eddie Jordan said, that Ferrari gave Irvine all the support he needed to win the championship. Call me a conspiracy theorist, I do believe they purposely jeopardised his title bid as there's not a chance in the world that Irvine was that much slower than Michael on pace.


This comment is quite strange coming from someone who supposedly only posts "facts".

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 14:45

You got any source or link for the above claim?
or are you just making it up ?

Mercedes changed their car's design midway through the 2010 season. If you followed the 2010 season, You don't need any source to confirm that. You have to go through the major upgrades that Mercedes did to understand that they indeed changed for the worse mid-season.

But anyways, since some people's IQ cannot be all great.... here's a source that will recall your 'hidden memory'-

Mercedes changing 2010 car to suit Schumi http://www.yallaf1.c...to-suit-schumi/
Apr.27 (GMM) Team boss Ross Brawn has confirmed that Michael Schumacher will race a different Mercedes chassis at next weekend’s Spanish grand prix.

“Michael needs to be able to lean heavily on the front of the car to make his driving style work,” Brawn added.

The Mercedes MGP W01 has not suited Schumi's style and the front end is set for some major mods
The front of the car has therefore been the focus of Mercedes’ big upgrade for Barcelona, featuring a longer wheelbase.
“We’ve got a modification of the car coming for Barcelona which puts us into a better range for the weight distribution we can achieve,” Brawn confirmed.
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Logically, MS had the most input for the said modification... so the blame for the design's disastrous results since it's introduction would naturally lie with MS.
Since the introduction of these new parts, the Mercedes results at the hands of Nico Rosberg turned for the worse... although he still continued to thrash MS in that very car. MS was anyways not doing any better... he just compounded Mercedes' problems.

He has so far failed Mercedes in all department.... Race Pace, Set-up, Technical Input & Design ideas. All he's doing is selling more T-shirts for Mercedes....
....in other words, a multi-million dollar Salesman.;)

Edited by Nivra, 12 August 2011 - 15:03.


#12323 Diablobb81

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:06

You do know that all the talk about the car being changed to suit Michael was BS? Everyone acknowledged that. You might need to search Rosberg quotes on that.

But all the crap that is said here...

Edited by Diablobb81, 12 August 2011 - 15:10.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:07

Did you watch the Irvine interview on the B.B.C forum, Irvine was on the verge of winning Ferrari there first title in donkeys years, to say Schumacher would want this to happen is crazy.


Yeah he didn't want him to win at all.... I mean he KNEW the Ferrari's were "illegal" in Malaysia so he pissed about all race allowing Irvine to catch him, hold up Mika, go fast, slow down, go fast, slow down. That way not only does he show that he could play a supporting role he also didn't actually ever have to concede the victory as the FIA were sure to disqualify Ferarri anyway.... oh......

I can just picture MS's reaction.... you mean we're legal? I lost a victory to Irvine? Plus I have to help him again in Japan.... not a chance.... I'll make him crash in Practice, the spare car is mine - damn no it's not..... oh well, he sucks balls anyway. Mika will win, and next year I'll do it and then I'll hog ALL the titles till the FIA change the rules. That'll show Irvine.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:10

The Mercedes MGP W01 has not suited Schumi's style and the front end is set for some major mods
The front of the car has therefore been the focus of Mercedes’ big upgrade for Barcelona, featuring a longer wheelbase.
“We’ve got a modification of the car coming for Barcelona which puts us into a better range for the weight distribution we can achieve,” Brawn confirmed.
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Nice flame baiting, I assume you edited/left out the part where NR said he liked the new longer wheelbase, it was a necessary fix to the MERCs issues.

At least post something close to the truth and not an edited part where you can then have your dig.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:11

Logically, MS had the most input for the said modification... so the blame for the design's disastrous results since it's introduction would naturally lie with MS.

No, Rosberg has stated that he has a similar driving style to Schumie so they had to change the car to better suit both drivers.

#12327 EdwardCullen

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:17

Mercedes changed their car's design midway through the 2010 season. If you followed the 2010 season, You don't need any source to confirm that. You have to go through the major upgrades that Mercedes did to understand that they indeed changed for the worse mid-season.

But anyways, since some people's IQ cannot be all great.... here's a source that will recall your 'hidden memory'-

Mercedes changing 2010 car to suit Schumi http://www.yallaf1.c...to-suit-schumi/
Apr.27 (GMM) Team boss Ross Brawn has confirmed that Michael Schumacher will race a different Mercedes chassis at next weekend’s Spanish grand prix.

“Michael needs to be able to lean heavily on the front of the car to make his driving style work,” Brawn added.

The Mercedes MGP W01 has not suited Schumi's style and the front end is set for some major mods
The front of the car has therefore been the focus of Mercedes’ big upgrade for Barcelona, featuring a longer wheelbase.
“We’ve got a modification of the car coming for Barcelona which puts us into a better range for the weight distribution we can achieve,” Brawn confirmed.
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Logically, MS had the most input for the said modification... so the blame for the design's disastrous results since it's introduction would naturally lie with MS.
Since the introduction of these new parts, the Mercedes results at the hands of Nico Rosberg turned for the worse... although he still continued to thrash MS in that very car. MS was anyways not doing any better... he just compounded Mercedes' problems.

He has so far failed Mercedes in all department.... Race Pace, Set-up, Technical Input & Design ideas. All he's doing is selling more T-shirts for Mercedes....
....in other words, a multi-million dollar Salesman.;)

Well nice try, to twist the truth
But here is a real source of the upgrades from SCRABSF1 and not from a yallaf1.com garbage!
http://scarbsf1.word...te-predictions/

Even from the cars early days in testing, Mercedes have had problems with the MGP W01 and Ross Brawn himself has been candid with the cars problems. Fundamentally the car has the wrong weight\aero bias, with it being too far to the front. Last year one of Brawns strengths was its extreme forward weight bias, typified by the large slab of ballast in the front splitter, when the wider front slicks rewarded a +49% bias towards the front. This year the tyres changed, the front tyres being 25mm narrower with a 20mm narrower tread, the rear tyres were also stiffened to cope with the heavy fuel loads. Most teams perceived the loss of grip from the rear tyre change would not offset to loss in front end grip from the narrower front tyre. Perhaps Mercedes (nee Brawn) felt the tyres would still favour a high percentage of weight towards the front, indeed the car still sports a significant slab of ballast in the front splitter. At the last race the cars inherent weaknesses were exhibited by Michael Schumacher, who had both understeer and a chronic lack of rear grip, leading to poor traction in the wet and overwork rear tyres in the dry. In Schumacher’s case his driving style tends to favour oversteer, while Rosberg is able to better cope with lack of turn-in and understeer the Bridgestone’s provide. This trait of the Bridgestone front tyres has been present since the shift to a single tyre supply, which has only worsened with the move to slicks and now narrower slicks.

Tyres work within a window of ideal vertical load. This load comes from weight distribution and downforce, simplistically the former affects low speed grip and the latter higher speed grip. Teams need to balance the static weight distribution and downforce front to rear to suit the tyres. A graph of load versus grip for a tyre will see significant drops either end of the scale as the tyre fails to work when either over or under loaded. It seem that Mercedes have too much load on the front tyres which will see them give up grip as the tyres gets too heavily loaded, this induces understeer. Conversely they have too little load at the rear which will compromise traction off the line and out of slow turns, but also induce oversteer. Having both ends of the car with incorrectly loaded tyres loads, will produce a car lacking in balance. The team could reduce grip at the rear to balance the car, but will then have a car lacking in grip.

Although drivers favour certain degrees of understeer or oversteer depending on their driving style, both prefer this to with consistent balance and grip. The differences in car set up between drivers are very subtle, its unlikely that one driver will have a significantly different weight\aero balance front to rear compared to another, certainly not to the level where one driver runs a different layout or wheelbase. the changes will be in small differences to; suspension, wing angle and\or ballast placement.

In Mercedes case, they have tried to shift weight rearwards; this is limited by the team’s ability to find areas to house the slabs of tungsten\densamet within the tight confines of the gearbox. An area now compromised due to the packaging of the double diffuser. To shift weight distribution 1% needs a shift of 10Kg from one axle to the other, obviously space at the axle line is limited, and so potential a greater weight within the wheelbase may be needed to achieve the same effect.

If ballast placement is not going to do the trick, which appears to be the case with the W01. Then the team are facing a layout change. Which means the front and\or rear axles will need to be shifted forwards relative to the chassis. Something that could be done either by new front suspension moving the front wheels forward, or the same at the rear. The rear option could also be achieved with a shorter gearbox. Gearbox lengths have extended in previous years to push weight forwards, thus there is scope to reduce their length without having to resort to all new gear and internals.

According to the informed rumours, Mercedes will opt for a blend of front suspension changes mated to a shorter gearbox. In the process extending the wheelbase. Many in the media have highlighted the changes as a wheelbase change as the solution to the balance problem, but the extended wheel base is largely a function of the shifting the axles. It is not in itself the primary solution to their problems.

Shifting weight also demands a shift in aero balance, for Mercedes this means more rear downforce. this cannot come purely from more rear wing angle as the drag that produces will slow straight lien speeds. So ideally greater diffuser development is needed. the team have been quick to get a passive F-duct running, this will certainly aid the ability to run more rear end downforce, but they must be careful its benefit is not eaten up by the need to run more rear wing or sales they will lose the advantage it gives other teams.

It now transpires that the F-duct rear wing on the W01 in China was passive device. There remains the development of the ducting towards the cockpit and a tip-off suggests this is tied to a reshape of the roll structure. How the ducting then reaches the rear wing may be either via a shark fin or up through the rear wing support. Although Brawn tested a sharkfin briefly in 2009 on the BGP001, the team have yet to race a version of it, making them somewhat behind the times and lacking experience in how the taller bodywork reacts on track.

At least one area not a concern for the team will be their mirrors, which are already cockpit mounted and not subject to the repositioning facing some of their rivals (RBR & Ferrari).

We can expect a very different W01 to appear for the next race, we will cover the developments as soon as the car breaks cover in the days preceding the race.


Read the entire post from a technical genius

#12328 spa08

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:31

This comment is quite strange coming from someone who supposedly only posts "facts".


Have I made this up out of thin air? I'm telling you what Irvine said. Why would he lie? He had already admitted that most of the time Schumacher was quicker. If it was false don't you think Ross Brawn, Jean Todt and Michael Schumacher would comment on it to save face?

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:40

Yeah he didn't want him to win at all.... I mean he KNEW the Ferrari's were "illegal" in Malaysia so he pissed about all race allowing Irvine to catch him, hold up Mika, go fast, slow down, go fast, slow down. That way not only does he show that he could play a supporting role he also didn't actually ever have to concede the victory as the FIA were sure to disqualify Ferarri anyway.... oh......

I can just picture MS's reaction.... you mean we're legal? I lost a victory to Irvine? Plus I have to help him again in Japan.... not a chance.... I'll make him crash in Practice, the spare car is mine - damn no it's not..... oh well, he sucks balls anyway. Mika will win, and next year I'll do it and then I'll hog ALL the titles till the FIA change the rules. That'll show Irvine.


With or without Michaels help in Japan, Eddie wouldn't have won the title as he was strangely 2 secs of the pace. If you believe that Irvine was 2 secs a lap slower than Michael in equal equipment you'll believe anything. Like Eddie stated it's very strange when he's in a Ferrari he was 2 secs off Michael and when he was in a shitty jaguar he was only 7 tenths off, bizarre don't you think?

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:43

With or without Michaels help in Japan, Eddie wouldn't have won the title as he was strangely 2 secs of the pace. If you believe that Irvine was 2 secs a lap slower than Michael in equal equipment you'll believe anything. Like Eddie stated it's very strange when he's in a Ferrari he was 2 secs off Michael and when he was in a shitty jaguar he was only 7 tenths off, bizarre don't you think?

again where do you get this 2 sec off comment, and where do you get teh 0.7 sec off comment
plz post the link here

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:47

No, Rosberg has stated that he has a similar driving style to Schumie so they had to change the car to better suit both drivers.

Fundamentally, the MGP01 had definite flaws for sure. I do know that it was changed because of a lot of issues related to the car for both drivers.

MS did have more input in the design and changes over Rosberg, as Mercedes has openly mentioned his experience, technical input & race pace were primary reasons for hiring a 42 year old retired driver. If he didn't have more say in how the new parts must behave, MS experience would then be redundant. It's hard to believe otherwise.

So the question really stands as to why Rosberg was able to get better results in that Mercedes over MS, pre-&-post upgrade?

It is hard to imagine that Rosberg isn't a better, fitter & faster driver of the two currently since they came together in 2010. Rosberg doesn't need any credit, his results in both cars + 2011 contains ample evidence that MS is hanging on because of his Name & past glories.

That's not to say MS couldn't have beaten Rosberg pre-2006. It's just in the present, Mercedes are having to answer negative questions regarding MS since the start of 2010, which isn't the right focus for the whole team for sure. It's a weird distraction at the moment for the team. More a burden than the second coming.

Edited by Nivra, 12 August 2011 - 15:47.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 15:57

In my eyes it's crystal clear.

Schumacher never was the greatest, and now he doesn't have moving over team mates (and other teams with the engine's of the team he drove for). He always already did it in plain sight, and one could chose to like it or dislike it. I chose the later, and saw for what he and it was. A fraud. A hoaxer and often cheated and got caught as well. Hmmmm

But hey, ... there are also people who liked Tyson eating an ear during a boxing match, right? Well, ... it's all a matter of perception. But in F1, the winner is NOT, I repeat, is not the "best" .

:lol:

Another analogy...............
Tiger Woods never was a great,and now that he doesn't b@ng 12 exotic kittens his true talent is showing.He always already did it in plain sight, and one could chose to like it or dislike it. I chose the later, and saw for what he and it was. A fraud. A hoaxer and often cheated and got caught as well. Hmmmm

Peace ;)

#12333 Diablobb81

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:03

New Q&A with Michael and Haug :
http://www.auto-moto...er-3967766.html

#12334 spa08

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:16

again where do you get this 2 sec off comment, and where do you get teh 0.7 sec off comment
plz post the link here


I'm no good with computers but il tell you and you can post on here for us all to watch. On YouTube type "Irvine on Schumacher" you'll see the interview with him on the BBC.

Edited by spa08, 12 August 2011 - 16:18.


#12335 Spa95

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:31

New Q&A with Michael and Haug :
http://www.auto-moto...er-3967766.html

Michael as evasive as ever. :D Shame, because those are actually quite good questions.... :well:

#12336 Poep

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:31

New Q&A with Michael and Haug :
http://www.auto-moto...er-3967766.html

Finally something on my questions concerning his driving style. His answer gives me the feeling that my theory on the driving style is correct and that the W02 is crap to drive with.

Herr Schumacher: Sie sind bekannt für ihren Fahrstil, wobei Sie in der Kurve gleichzeitig Gas und Bremse verwenden. Bei den Onboard-Aufnahmen von diesem Jahr merkt man, dass Sie das nicht mehr machen, und immer erst am Kurvenausgang auf das Gas gehen. Warum ist das so, und liegt es am Auto?

Schumacher: Sie verstehen sicher, dass ich auf meinen Fahrstil im Umgang mit unserem W02 nicht eingehen moechte. Aber jedes Fahrzeug erfordert eine gewisse Anpassung des Fahrstils an dessen Charakteristik. Dies ist mir bislang bei jedem meiner Formel 1-Fahrzeuge gelungen.


#12337 Poep

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:33

Michael as evasive as ever. :D Shame, because those are actually quite good questions.... :well:

Thanks.
The one on the driving style and the one to Haug on Aldo Costa were from me. (i used different user names, because you can only send one question).

I was really happy they picked my two questions.

Too bad the answers are so political (especially Haug on Costa). :|

#12338 sharo

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:37

Could someone translate those selected Q&A? Google translation is funny but not informative :)

#12339 Diablobb81

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:41

Too bad the answers are so political (especially Haug on Costa). :|


Very good questions. I waited for this Q&A especially for the quali-race pace answer.

Too bad we never get an informative answer. :lol: Too much politics.

"Sie legen einen sehr guten Rennspeed an den Tag. Bitte erklären Sie einmal die Situation im Qualifying. Auch wenn es an Ihrem Dienstwagen gelegentlich Probleme gab, so ist Nico doch meistens mehr oder weniger deutlich schneller. Ist Nico vielleicht der beste Qualifyer in der Formel 1 oder liegen Ihre Probleme woanders?

Schumacher: Sie haben Recht, im Rennen sieht es bei mir meistens besser aus als im Qualifying. Dafuer gibt es viele Gruende, die sehr kompliziert zu erklären wären; hie und da hatte es auch mal technische Probleme gegeben. Aber Nico ist wirklich einer der besten Qualifyer im Feld, seine Performance hier ist beeindruckend."

"Q: You have a very good race pace. Please explain the situation in qualifying. Even if sometimes there were problems on your car, Nico is most of the time more or less faster. Is Nico the best qualifier in F1 or are your problems somewhere else?

A: You are right, for me it looks most of the times better in race than it does in qualifying. There are plenty of reasons for that, that would be too complicated to explain; sometimes there were also technical problems. But Nico is also one of the best qualifiers on the grid, his performance is impressive."

Edited by Diablobb81, 12 August 2011 - 16:50.


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Posted 12 August 2011 - 16:46

I'm no good with computers but il tell you and you can post on here for us all to watch. On YouTube type "Irvine on Schumacher" you'll see the interview with him on the BBC.

yup, i have seen that interview after Germany 2010 on BBC forum

Those comments are made by Irvine, who is actually a scorned former Ferrari Schumacher teammate
ofcourse he is just justifying his shortcomings that season
Even Salo who stepped in beat him to the victory
and he conveniently forgot to mention the Malaysian GP 99 , where Schumy could have just beat them all and lapped them all...still he moved over for Eddie two times in that race and held back Mika and DC for a very long time.....even at Malaysia MS outqualified Eddie by almost 2 secs. Its not suddenly at Suzuka he was 2 secs off!

Its not MS 's fault that Eddie didnt keep up....at suzuka Mika was leading and MS barely was in touch with him. IF MS was ahead of Mika he would have slowed Mika down, but it was not going to help as Eddie was almost lapped by them both...all in all the mclarens where really fast at Japan all weekend compared to malaysia!

As for ferrari dont want eddie to win the WDC is completely BS...its just a conspiracy theory created by MS haters and Eddie fans who couldnt get over the fact !

And what is he saying he was just 0.7 secs off MS in 2000 japan race in a jaguar??
he started 7th and finished 8th while his teammate who started 10th beat him to 7th place finish! and upto 4th place everyone was lapped

Edited by EdwardCullen, 12 August 2011 - 20:09.


#12341 garoidb

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 17:00

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the next race will the 20th anniversary of his Grand Prix debut. If he is going to announce that this will be his last year (or race), then Spa would be a good place to do it.

#12342 Sakae

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 17:13

Not sure if this has been mentioned before, but the next race will the 20th anniversary of his Grand Prix debut. If he is going to announce that this will be his last year (or race), then Spa would be a good place to do it.

If he does, that would be first time he has quit anything he started and before he finished in two decades what I watch him from sidelines as his fan.

#12343 EdwardCullen

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 17:14

If he does, that would be first time he has quit anything he started and before he finished in two decades what I watch him from sidelines as his fan.

He is not going to retire, he is not a kinda person who would just give up!

#12344 ClockworkRacing

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 17:53

He is not going to retire, he is not a kinda person who would just give up!

Mate,when you try everything and nothing seems to work,it´s time to rethink what you´re doing,not only in F1

#12345 Sakae

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 18:00

He is not going to retire, he is not a kinda person who would just give up!


That is what I believe and hope too. On the other hand, a man has right to change his mind, and should he feel that MGP organization in the current form is not fulfilling his expectation, and draining his energy to levels he is not willing to accept, he should quit. I would never hold that against him. I am not Schumacher, but I do know what it means to be exhausted from work, and fact is, that my output was poor. That's human, and he too might feel that he cannot deliver on the track and at the office, having his workload size of the Everest.

#12346 EdwardCullen

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 18:25

Mate,when you try everything and nothing seems to work,it´s time to rethink what you´re doing,not only in F1

yup, thats true for quitters...not for champions
do you think he would have reached where he is just by giving up, not only him all the successful people in the world.

#12347 garoidb

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 18:37

yup, thats true for quitters...not for champions
do you think he would have reached where he is just by giving up, not only him all the successful people in the world.


Well, he is going to retire sometime in the next few seasons. It is not a question of giving up, but picking the right time to finish and move on to something else.

#12348 EdwardCullen

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 20:07

Well, he is going to retire sometime in the next few seasons. It is not a question of giving up, but picking the right time to finish and move on to something else.

thats exactly what he said, he will see out his 3 yr contract and then think about reitrement


#12349 garoidb

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 20:11

thats exactly what he said, he will see out his 3 yr contract and then think about reitrement


My point is that I don't think that making a decision to retire earlier should or would be viewed as "quitting". In fact, it could be a very positive move.

As to whether that will happen or not, I claim no special insight.

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Posted 12 August 2011 - 20:30

Mate,when you try everything and nothing seems to work,it´s time to rethink what you´re doing,not only in F1

Are you sure he has tried everything?

Well, he is going to retire sometime in the next few seasons. It is not a question of giving up, but picking the right time to finish and move on to something else.

That's true. But I think except for a force majoure situation he's going to see his contract through and try help Mercedes as much as he is able. No matter the results and his image in the eyes of fans and anti-fans. That's an obligation he has taken.