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#12351 garoidb

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 09:34

MGP will not fight for any title any time soon.


To me, this is an important consideration. How long will will it be before they can produce a race winner, and how long can Michael maintain his current level of performance?

Even though it almost certainly can't happen, I wouldn't mind seeing him do one more year with Ferrari before retirement (even as a third driver at seleected events).



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#12352 Math89

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 10:13

Could someone translate those selected Q&A? Google translation is funny but not informative :)


What he said. :smoking:

#12353 ivand911

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 11:34

He is Mercedes man now and probably will stay with them even after he will stop racing. Driving competitive car(like Ferrari) for the last time will be something to be seen. :rolleyes:

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Posted 13 August 2011 - 12:02

Indeed. Going from Honda/BAR to Ferrari must be such a step down.


What?

#12355 Schumacher7

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Posted 14 August 2011 - 23:50

"I'll certainly be racing next year, that is definite," Schumacher said at a Mercedes' function.
http://www.foxsports...l-1226114927373

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 00:00

"I'll certainly be racing next year, that is definite," Schumacher said at a Mercedes' function.
http://www.foxsports...l-1226114927373



That's my man! I am overwhelmed with delight.

#12357 Johnrambo

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:24

Michael is not the problem here. I hope he continue, it is still exiting to see him on the start. He still have the best result for the team this year.


Points: Rosberg 48, Schumacher 32.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:43

Points: Rosberg 48, Schumacher 32.

DNF : Rosberg 0, Schumacher 2


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Posted 15 August 2011 - 08:47

yup, thats true for quitters...not for champions
do you think he would have reached where he is just by giving up, not only him all the successful people in the world.


Time catches up with everyone and somewhere along the line he might decide that his time has come and gone. Wishful thinking alone won't get him (or any other driver) a championship crown.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 09:23

"I'll certainly be racing next year, that is definite," Schumacher said at a Mercedes' function.
http://www.foxsports...l-1226114927373


I expected him to continue, he never gives up.

But:

"It would be presumptuous if one expects us to fight for the title next year, at the moment we are too far behind," he said.

Schumacher says podium places are his goal for next year, but since his comeback at the start of 2010, he has yet to finish a race in the top three.


I don't know, are podiums for what he returned in F1? He's a 7 times world champion, he doesn't need podiums...I doubt that he will race in 2013, he'll be 44, that's too old to be honest...

#12361 DutchCruijff

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 10:10

I don't understand why people needed conformation again. He's repeated that it's a 3 year plan continuously and Corriere dello sport article was a non-story.

And on his revised target for podiums he's just lowering the expectations. After the embarrassing comments made during pre-season Mercedes are reducing the flak they'll be under when they produce another shitty car.

#12362 Jejking

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 10:37

I expected him to continue, he never gives up.

But:


I don't know, are podiums for what he returned in F1? He's a 7 times world champion, he doesn't need podiums...I doubt that he will race in 2013, he'll be 44, that's too old to be honest...

Well from what I recall his personal doctor at the start of 10 gave him the thumbs up to race on with his stamina being no problem, saw him able to race up until his 50th. Noone of course says he will but it's a sign.

One note, that was about 1.5 years ago. I don't need the confirmation of Schumacher on this one. Everyone knew that after the fuckup of that Italian magazine. Sorry to say but how on earth can one medium like that act like an article of that weight would have went around the chief editors?

Edited by Jejking, 15 August 2011 - 10:37.


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Posted 15 August 2011 - 13:11

Points: Rosberg 48, Schumacher 32.

Yeah, I agree both are doing not so well. :rolleyes: Less than 50 points after half of the season. They both need to retire, I will take Schumi place, you take Nico's. :rotfl:

Edited by ivand911, 15 August 2011 - 13:15.


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Posted 15 August 2011 - 17:57

"Despite some funny rumours and stupid untruthful stories, I keep repeating myself that you will have to see me in 2012, whether you like it or don't like it," Schumacher said in a interview with Mercedes's website.

:cool: :lol:

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/93780

If his Mercedes career ends without a title, win or podium then let it be.

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 18:32

"Despite some funny rumours and stupid untruthful stories, I keep repeating myself that you will have to see me in 2012, whether you like it or don't like it," Schumacher said in a interview with Mercedes's website.


Great news! More DC moments coming! :up: :cat:

#12366 fieraku

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Posted 15 August 2011 - 18:45

Points: Rosberg 48, Schumacher 32.

So that's your argument? Well it doesn't do Nico any good since he's been "perfect" and Schumi "horrible" and ready for retirement and they are ONLY 16 pts apart.
So hypothetically,if somehow they are tied or very close after 3-4 races will you come here and say Nico needs to retire? Not a loaded question.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 00:00

Great news! More DC moments coming! :up: :cat:

still yet to see schumacher slow down on he racing line or cause the biggest first lap pileup f1 has ever seen where he wrote off half the grid... and that was coulthards prime and the same race :rotfl:

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 04:41

still yet to see schumacher slow down on he racing line or cause the biggest first lap pileup f1 has ever seen where he wrote off half the grid... and that was coulthards prime and the same race :rotfl:


[I know this is a bit off topic, but:]

Was that massive first corner accident really Coulthard's fault? He often gets blamed for it, but Irvine and him went into the first turn basically touching, and after this Irvine comes out of the spray already missing some body work, and seemed to be a very long way behind the leaders. Note how the Benetton got through the carnage, despite being in-between Coulthard and Irvine on track, making one wonder how Coulthard could ever have made contact with Irvine after hitting the wall (unless there had already been contact before we see David spear off to his right). Note also how cars in the background appear to be avoiding something on the left hand side of the track, even though David is sliding off on the right hand side.

*Two cars go into the spray nearly touching.
*One car comes out sideways and into the wall.
*The other car comes out the other side with a lot of damage.

We will obviously never know what really happened in all that spray, but I don't get how people know for sure that it was David's mistake :confused: .

Edited by Jazza, 16 August 2011 - 04:54.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:07

"Despite some funny rumours and stupid untruthful stories, I keep repeating myself that you will have to see me in 2012, whether you like it or don't like it," Schumacher said in a interview with Mercedes's website.

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/93780


To me the phrasing sounds like he tries way too hard to convince everyone. We'll see.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:12

To me the phrasing sounds like he tries way too hard to convince everyone. We'll see.

Think it would be better for MGP to put the focus more in the car & racing than in the interminable story of Mr. Schumacher. He is getting too much room in the whole "Mercedes-story"!

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:21

Great news! More DC moments coming! :up: :cat:


Wow, the first DC fan I have ever come across :wave:

...and Michael is yet to crash entering the pitlane while leading the race :rotfl: You might miss that one too of all from DC's funny moments!

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:27

Think it would be better for MGP to put the focus more in the car & racing than in the interminable story of Mr. Schumacher. He is getting too much room in the whole "Mercedes-story"!


I think you have it backwards. MS is an entertaining diversion while the team carries on being itself. Without MS, everyone will be forced to realize how bad Mercedes have been had..

Someone convinced them that was the team of the future based on the 2009 form, in the meantime Fry and Brawn cashed in something special..

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:34

I have a question:

If Schumacher wasn't here; do you think the team would be trying as hard as they are currently to get to the front?

I mean, with Nico and X driver would they have just settled for 4th place consolidation? Has Schumacher's presence (irrespective of his performances) brought a whole new dimmension to the team; how to build teamwork, infastructure, a foundation etc? Has Schumacher's presence rejuvinated Ross Brawn's motivation also (again, irrespective of performances)? I believe so.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:43

I have a question:

If Schumacher wasn't here; do you think the team would be trying as hard as they are currently to get to the front?

I mean, with Nico and X driver would they have just settled for 4th place consolidation? Has Schumacher's presence (irrespective of his performances) brought a whole new dimmension to the team; how to build teamwork, infastructure, a foundation etc? Has Schumacher's presence rejuvinated Ross Brawn's motivation also (again, irrespective of performances)? I believe so.

I think so too.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:43

I have a question:

If Schumacher wasn't here; do you think the team would be trying as hard as they are currently to get to the front?

I mean, with Nico and X driver would they have just settled for 4th place consolidation? Has Schumacher's presence (irrespective of his performances) brought a whole new dimmension to the team; how to build teamwork, infastructure, a foundation etc? Has Schumacher's presence rejuvinated Ross Brawn's motivation also (again, irrespective of performances)? I believe so.

:stoned: And if it would be the "other" way? What if Schumacher with his 'input' developing the car brought the team in a false direction?

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:44

I have a question:

If Schumacher wasn't here; do you think the team would be trying as hard as they are currently to get to the front?

I mean, with Nico and X driver would they have just settled for 4th place consolidation? Has Schumacher's presence (irrespective of his performances) brought a whole new dimmension to the team; how to build teamwork, infastructure, a foundation etc? Has Schumacher's presence rejuvinated Ross Brawn's motivation also (again, irrespective of performances)? I believe so.



The other thing is, the sport, audience would rather see Schumacher compete with the young champions for race wins, how interesting was Canada 2011, and that expectation was surely at it's strongest from his annoumcement to return and the first year. The mercedes form has subdued that celebration of competition, but when running for a higher result like Canada this year, it completely changed all the BS and wait everyone sat through while waiting for this team and MS to be hunting for a major result. This team needs a strong car for the drivers themselfs, the fans and the sport, so much more then another redbull victory.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 10:56

That might grate a bit, but the yardstick is Rosberg and he's not doing better this year than he did in 2009 at Williams.

Schumacher has such an aura that he's taking some of the heat off Mercedes, because let's not kid ourselves, they're underperforming badly.

I think in the future some books will be written on that Mercedes deal, even the second half of the championship year (BrawnGP) was very difficult.

For some reason they were hoodwinkled into paying the big price for that hit-or-miss of a team. Go figure.

Edited by Slowinfastout, 16 August 2011 - 10:57.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:00

I have a question:

If Schumacher wasn't here; do you think the team would be trying as hard as they are currently to get to the front?

I mean, with Nico and X driver would they have just settled for 4th place consolidation? Has Schumacher's presence (irrespective of his performances) brought a whole new dimmension to the team; how to build teamwork, infastructure, a foundation etc? Has Schumacher's presence rejuvinated Ross Brawn's motivation also (again, irrespective of performances)? I believe so.


Quite the opposite for me.

I think Schumacher's continued presence is stifling progress at MGP.

They need to get ruthless as a team and the cosy relationship between Brawn, Haug and Schumacher is not yeilding progress. They should ditch Scumacher now and give Rosberg a real kick up the arse to raise his game (it looks like he's getting complacent). There's no sense of threat to either of them, at least not any that's percievable in the public domain.

It's F1, there's no room for sentiment and it seems like MSC is keeping his place on sentiment and ROS is doing just enough to beat MSC.

How do you motivate a room full of millionaires? That's the challenge for the Benz board and they're getting it wrong.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:01

:stoned: And if it would be the "other" way? What if Schumacher with his 'input' developing the car brought the team in a false direction?


Like he led his respective teams in 'other' direction from 1991-2006?

Schumacher has a PROVEN history and pedigree, as does Ross Brawn, Newey, Dennis and all the old guard.


Quite the opposite for me.

I think Schumacher's continued presence is stifling progress at MGP.

They need to get ruthless as a team and the cosy relationship between Brawn, Haug and Schumacher is not yeilding progress. They should ditch Scumacher now and give Rosberg a real kick up the arse to raise his game (it looks like he's getting complacent). There's no sense of threat to either of them, at least not any that's percievable in the public domain.

It's F1, there's no room for sentiment and it seems like MSC is keeping his place on sentiment and ROS is doing just enough to beat MSC.

How do you motivate a room full of millionaires? That's the challenge for the Benz board and they're getting it wrong.


Well everyone in F1 is a millionaire. I don't they're motivated by the money otherwise Schumacher/Brawn would have lose their compeitive edge in 1994. The dream of success motivates them, whether they will achieve it is left to be seen.

The team ARE capable of producing good cars, 2004, 2006 and 2009 are testament. However, they've produced some poopy cars too. The problem is serious lack of consistency with no contingency plan B, C or D.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 16 August 2011 - 11:06.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:10

Yeah, if only Ferrari would have ditched Michael after 1997. :rolleyes:

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:38

Like he led his respective teams in 'other' direction from 1991-2006?

Schumacher has a PROVEN history and pedigree, as does Ross Brawn, Newey, Dennis and all the old guard.




Well everyone in F1 is a millionaire. I don't they're motivated by the money otherwise Schumacher/Brawn would have lose their compeitive edge in 1994. The dream of success motivates them, whether they will achieve it is left to be seen.

The team ARE capable of producing good cars, 2004, 2006 and 2009 are testament. However, they've produced some poopy cars too. The problem is serious lack of consistency with no contingency plan B, C or D.


Well yes, that's the point of the cliche.

How do you respond to the suggestion that (from our viewpoint at least) it doesn't look like a ruthless environment. Ferrari ditching Kimi and scooping Alonso, that's ruthless. Schumacher ditching Jordan for Bennetton, ruthless. etc. etc.

Brawn saying Schumacher can drive as long as he wants - NOT ruthless. It doesn't scream of a win at all costs mentality. For that reason, for me, MSC at MGP is undermining the drive for success. He keeps downgrading his reasons for return from 'i'm here to win' at the beggining to non-specific 'development' goals and maybe a rostrum next season.

That is not a winning mentality. I think Brawn and Haug need to share the blame with MSC.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:55

Well yes, that's the point of the cliche.

How do you respond to the suggestion that (from our viewpoint at least) it doesn't look like a ruthless environment. Ferrari ditching Kimi and scooping Alonso, that's ruthless. Schumacher ditching Jordan for Bennetton, ruthless. etc. etc.

Brawn saying Schumacher can drive as long as he wants - NOT ruthless. It doesn't scream of a win at all costs mentality. For that reason, for me, MSC at MGP is undermining the drive for success. He keeps downgrading his reasons for return from 'i'm here to win' at the beggining to non-specific 'development' goals and maybe a rostrum next season.

That is not a winning mentality. I think Brawn and Haug need to share the blame with MSC.

I disagree. The level in F1 is so much higher (even higher) than in 2000-2004. Much more competitors, new talent, young blood, completely different game rules. Meanwhile, the 'Dream Team' isn't complete and the present members have grown older too. It's quite soft to say Mercedes GP isn't up to the job, staffwise and carwise. Bringing larger quantities of quality manpower in and doubling their efforts is going to put some pressure back on the opposition but you have to agree it's a long term game which you cannot win in 1, 2, heck, even 3 seasons.

As long as Michael keeps improving, I'll cheer him on hoping for more AND a day where all positives come together at once for a good result. Like: good start (check), good qualifying (no check there), working DRS and KERS or at least no car problems, a bit of rain to cover up the cars weaknesses. Also I'll cheer Nico on but well, to be honest I'm a bit more of a fan of Schumacher than Rosberg because of mentality :smoking: Finally Mercedes and its members grew realistic, after that nonsense at the start of 10. Bit of humbleness really fits them.

Edited by Jejking, 16 August 2011 - 11:57.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 11:57

That is not a winning mentality. I think Brawn and Haug need to share the blame with MSC.

:up: I'm with you!
This sport is for fighting to be on the top and not only for have fun and hobby!

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:00

That is not a winning mentality. I think Brawn and Haug need to share the blame with MSC.

of course they should. each play a part
they want to win titles and races.

at the moment the car is nowhere close to that. when the car gets closer to that and ms won't deliver then it will be his fault

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 12:02

I disagree. The level in F1 is so much higher (even higher) than in 2000-2004. Much more competitors, new talent, young blood, completely different game rules. Meanwhile, the 'Dream Team' isn't complete and the present members have grown older too. It's quite soft to say Mercedes GP isn't up to the job, staffwise and carwise. Bringing larger quantities of quality manpower in and doubling their efforts is going to put some pressure back on the opposition but you have to agree it's a long term game which you cannot win in 1, 2, heck, even 3 seasons.

As long as Michael keeps improving, I'll cheer him on hoping for more AND a day where all positives come together at once for a good result. Like: good start (check), good qualifying (no check there), working DRS and KERS or at least no car problems, a bit of rain to cover up the cars weaknesses. Also I'll cheer Nico on but well, to be honest I'm a bit more of a fan of Schumacher than Rosberg because of mentality :smoking: Finally Mercedes and its members grew realistic, after that nonsense at the start of 10. Bit of humbleness really fits them.


What if he doesn't?

What if he keeps qualifying badly, twanging front wings and finishing behind Rosberg. Do you think MGP should get rid of him for the better of the team.

Hell, let's get hypothetical, if Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton became available, would you support a MGP (purely sporting) decision to replace MSC with one of them?

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 13:37

Haug: Redbull took five years

Mercedes figures admit 2012 title tilt unlikely


Schumacher invites paddock to mark 20th anniversary :)


Michael Schumacher Interview in Stutgart - 125 years of Mercedes


BTW, will Michael really get a new helmet at SPA?

Edited by zelpre, 16 August 2011 - 13:51.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:08

Ruthless, ruthless?? Some guys here are so funny. If they were ruthless in F1 after not wining the championship team bosses need to fire everybody , useless clowns driving for Ferrari ,McLaren and all other teams. But, first two teams for sure because they are closest to the RBR and this clowns don't deliver. Fire them all. How can they not deliver? What is the difference to finish second and 10th in Championship? They are all losers, but 1st and 9th loser.

Edited by ivand911, 16 August 2011 - 15:12.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:27

Ruthless, ruthless?? Some guys here are so funny. If they were ruthless in F1 after not wining the championship team bosses need to fire everybody , useless clowns driving for Ferrari ,McLaren and all other teams. But, first two teams for sure because they are closest to the RBR and this clowns don't deliver. Fire them all. How can they not deliver? What is the difference to finish second and 10th in Championship? They are all losers, but 1st and 9th loser.


Aldo Costa?



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Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:28

What if he doesn't?

What if he keeps qualifying badly, twanging front wings and finishing behind Rosberg. Do you think MGP should get rid of him for the better of the team.

Hell, let's get hypothetical, if Vettel, Alonso or Hamilton became available, would you support a MGP (purely sporting) decision to replace MSC with one of them?

What if he does?

If I take Turn 8 in Turkey for example, it is so incredibly obvious that the car is at fault for not being able to compete. That counts for both drivers, not only MSC, not only ROS. If you have slower stuff to work with, it is harder to stand out of the crowd or to overcome whoever is in front of you. Then risks, then accidents. I think Rosberg at this very moment is the smartest driver, staying out of trouble. Good to see it works for him but it doesn't convince me at all that he is WDC material. Schumacher on the other hand has problems in qualifying (not always, a piece of those results is exaggarated and also a piece of those results is humiliating, one second) to keep up. Then Sunday comes and he has to soldier on with whatever he has under his German bottom. To say nowadays' drivers are pussies is really bs, with a lot of fired up drivers around it is easy to lose it. So for now I don't totally blame him because I see bits and pieces of promise alongside the problems. If Alonso after a wild night out with a lot of Queimada drinks to bust his conscience decided to jump on the Mercedes bandwagon, I would have disagreed at the moment. I'm partially optimistic about the rest of the season, I think there still is a chance Schumacher gets his act together reasonably well although it won't be easy.

And by the way, I'm the first to admit that an eight title is very unlikely. Time is against Schumacher and also his teammate is the greatest challenge of his whole career. Me'd be surprised if he manages to collect it but first he has got to get the better of Rosberg before he even starts to dream about Title #8.

Edited by Jejking, 16 August 2011 - 15:29.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:30

Haug: Redbull took five years

Mercedes figures admit 2012 title tilt unlikely


Schumacher invites paddock to mark 20th anniversary :)


Michael Schumacher Interview in Stutgart - 125 years of Mercedes


BTW, will Michael really get a new helmet at SPA?

I think he will get the new helmet. It was something with black and yellow, I read?

Or it might be Kubica having a go at it :rotfl:

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 15:40

Aldo Costa?

Now, it is one engineer fault? You said rightfully that they need to share the blame. So, drivers are included. Fire them too. Or when it is MGP(car much worse that Ferrari), it is MS fault , but when it is Ferrari it is Costa fault? I would say that in very bad car engineers have much bigger guilt than drivers? So, at MGP drivers have less guilt ,than in better teams.

I think he will get the new helmet. It was something with black and yellow, I read?
Or it might be Kubica having a go at it :rotfl:

Strangely Michael is only who prefer 2010 Schubert helmet. All other drivers use new 2011 one.

Edited by ivand911, 16 August 2011 - 15:43.


#12392 Number62

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 16:05

Now, it is one engineer fault? You said rightfully that they need to share the blame. So, drivers are included. Fire them too. Or when it is MGP(car much worse that Ferrari), it is MS fault , but when it is Ferrari it is Costa fault? I would say that in very bad car engineers have much bigger guilt than drivers? So, at MGP drivers have less guilt ,than in


Correct. It is part of Brawns job to do the hiring and firing. Drivers have been dropped before and will be dropped in the future, why should MSC be excluded from performance based tenure?

They are hiring extensively in engineering which suggests they recognise some failings.

'Schumacher can drive as long as he wants' is not him doing his job.

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 20:42

I didn't realize that Spa will be Michaels 20th Anniversary of his debut. I remember the buzz about his talent that weekend.

Congratulations Michael.

Beautiful car:



look at the press, there was an instant buzz about his arrival:

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

Edited by Watkins74, 16 August 2011 - 20:46.


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Posted 16 August 2011 - 22:00

I didn't realize that Spa will be Michaels 20th Anniversary of his debut.

Who wants to bet he'll be out at the first corner with a clutch problem? :p

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 22:07

I will do the rain dance for Michael around my Tlaloc statue so he can celebrate with a podium.

#12396 Raelene

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Posted 16 August 2011 - 22:20

zelpre - thanks fo rhte link to the interview - enjoyed it

#12397 merschu

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Posted 17 August 2011 - 05:27

I had posted this in April of last year. But now with Michael Schumacher's 20th Anniversary of his debut in Spa. This post tells a lot about his first race in F1.


Here is how Schumi got the drive of Spa:

Michael was not hyped up prior to his debut like some young drivers are already before they arrive (eg. Montoya). In fact, hardly even anybody knew his name because it wasn't typical to take drivers from sporstcars to F1. Like today, team bosses would rather take F3000 drivers or maybe F3 drivers. That was also the reason why Frentzen left Mercedes' sportscars programme for a seat in F3000.

Michael however stayed with Mercedes and that ironically made him an F1 driver quicker than F3000 did with Frentzen! Michael was taking part in the 1991 C Group sportscar World Championship when his manager, Willi Weber got an info about Gachot being jailed and Jordan needing a driver. He phoned and faxed a lot until he got through to Eddie Jordan and offered him the services of Michael. Jordan was like: "Who the heck is Michael Schumacher?"

But Jordan decided to give him a try. They gave him a test in Silverstone and they were impressed. Michael lapped quicker immedtaiely than anybody before in that Jordan car! Jordan said after his first testing in Silverstone that the race engineer couldn’t believe the lap times. He said that those are the times they had never seen, and they thought that,Schumi found a shortcut. During those 40 laps,Schumi broke the lap record of Jordan in Silverstone. It was a short test and Michael was about to thrown into deep water right away the next week in the Belgian GP. Jordan asked his manager if Michael knew Spa and Weber replied "of course", but it wasn't true. Michael never drove before in Spa.


He improved throughout the weekend. Started the race on 7th position and then overtook 2 cars went to fifth position and then his car broke down.

The facts from forix.com

Here is how Schumi did in his first ever F1 weekend

In First free practice: (11) 32 M.Schumacher Jordan/Ford 1'55.322 4.979 216.645

In 2nd free practice: (5) 32 M.Schumacher Jordan/Ford 1'51.071 1.108 224.937

In 1st qualifying: (8) 32 M.Schumacher Jordan/Ford 1'53.290 4.190 220.531

In 2nd qualifying: (6) 32 M.Schumacher Jordan/Ford 1'51.212 3.401 224.652

In Warm up: (4) 32 M.Schumacher Jordan/Ford 1'56.986 1.775 213.564

In the race he had a DNF.


Here are a couple of quotes on the 1991 Spa weekend from Timothy Collings' book: 'Schumacher - The life of the new Formula One Champion'

"It was the confidence with which he performed as much as what he did which impressed. Immediately, he was described as arrogant, Teutonic, super-confident or cool. It was hard for his contemporaries and critics to accept what he did. His teammate Andrea de Cesaris was pushed beyond his own normal limits. For everyone, it was hard to believe that this boyish-looking slim-as-a-wisp driver could achieve such times in such a confident fashion. His aloofness, his remoteness, his celf-centered confidence made it worse and virtually every reporter in the paddock who came into contact with him was to be intrigued. This German boy, who came from sportscars, was blasting a hole through the Formula One estabilishment, handling himself with ease in and out of the car and oozing confidence. What made it even more difficult to accept was the simple fact that it was all natural. Yes, he was really that good.

'On Friday, I never tried Eau Rouge flat. I nearly braked and at first I took it in fifth gear and then in sixth. That was a problem, to get used to a part of the circuit like this where you can do it flat, but without experience so you do do it slowly, step by step,' Schumacher recalled later. 'With my first set of qualifiers, I was just on my lap when Eric van de Poele went off and practice was stopped. The second time I tried with the same set of tyres and Prost blocked my lap. He was starting his quick lap. I braked at the limit for me, but he braked a bit too early for me and there were only two possibilities. Crash into him or use the escape road... I thought it was better to use it.'



It was a measure of the stunning effect of Schumacher's qualifying performance at Spa (seventh on the grid for his first race on arguably the world's most daunting Grand Prix circuit) that many people refused to beleive or accept it. One was Schumacher's veteran Italian teammate Andrea de Cesaris. 'Andrea was distraught at the end of that qualifying,' said Phillips. 'He was just schocked. "I know I didn't drive well, but one and a half seconds!" he said. "It's not possible. Not possible."

'There were some very interesting points, again, which struck me. One was that on a particular part of the circuit, Andrea was in quandary. If he kept it in fifth gear all the way through the section, the car got very high on revs and very nervous. And he said "If I try in sixth gear then, likewise, the car bogs down." He was talking about the bit where the track comes from down the top of the circuit, where you come into the first one in fifth and then take the second part in sixth and, obviously, to change gear in the middle of it was difficult... I said to Michael, in the debrief: "Do you have the same problem?" He said, "Well, I did for three laps and then I realised that what I do is go into it in sixth gear and I just left-foot brake and it just steadies the car in the middle and then I just take both corners in sixth." And he had not even mentioned it. He had just worked it out all for himself. For him, it was perfectly natural. He was simply driving the car.

'There was no issue. He had not come in and said "Look I've found this a problem or that. And there was no mention of anything at all. As far as he was concerned, it was the fastest way to get the car round those two corners. He had worked out all the other options and none of them were ideal. But this was the best compromise. There was also another bit, coming back to the "Bus Stop" chicane, the two very quick left-handers, which was interesting. If you looked at the section times, he was very quick there. Although he was in the top seven or eight all the time, he was always about second or third quickest. Andrea was unhappy with that section in his car. He said that "As you lift, just as you turn in, it gets a bit unsettled on the bumps", and I remember I talked to Michael about it. "Yeah," he said. "But it's okay if you just drive it flat. The lift actually destabilizes the car and if you keep it flat it's okay." Sure enough, it was.'


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And I said this then and I am saying it now again: To me Michael Schumacher will always be one of the greatest racing driver ever. Those who don't believe that's fine it's your opinion but you surely are living in denial.

Edited by merschu, 17 August 2011 - 06:35.


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Posted 17 August 2011 - 06:21

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And I said this then and I am saying it now again: To me Michael Schumacher will always be one of the greatest racing driver ever. Those who don't believe that's fine it's your opinion but you surely are living in denial.



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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:07

Here's a great clip from youtube; I have no idea what they are saying but this is pure gold. Just a kid, but he's already completely himself. (Apologies if its already been posted).

schumi in '83



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Posted 17 August 2011 - 07:28

Btw, merschu, thanks for that last post. Most enjoyable to read all the stuff from that day again. This is why I continue to come here: to find some quality F1 information. Nice to see it still exists amongst all the static. :up: