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#12501 Number62

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:10

It is just pure luck that Petrov and Heidfeld are ahead of MS. And it will end in Spa. Beating MS, HA HA HA. Good laugh.


I forgot my crystal ball and this is why I can't answer. It can be answered only with speculation ,but this is your specialty.


NO, no speculation required, given the status quo is it POSSIBLE that Petrov or Hedfeld would be quicker than Scumacher as I first set out was my opinion backed up by evidence

OR

is it Laughable as others have stated backed up by nothing


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#12502 Number62

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:12

Irrelevant! You made a list of possible replacements for MS,including VP. And you based their performances looking at the scoring table.If it was only so simple.

A results business,yes nice. And looking at just the business point point of view MS has lots more to offer than the ones on your list.


It's funny but I can agree with most of the things you say but you can agree with none of mine.

Are we discussing the same point.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:13

NO, no speculation required, given the status quo is it POSSIBLE that Petrov or Hedfeld would be quicker than Scumacher as I first set out was my opinion backed up by evidence

OR

is it Laughable as others have stated backed up by nothing

backed up by nothing? i compiled a list of points scored in each race , retirements , etc and u just ignore it if it wasnt for the 3rd places they managed at the start of the season they would be nowhere near msc/rosberg

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:20

NO, no speculation required, given the status quo is it POSSIBLE that Petrov or Hedfeld would be quicker than Scumacher as I first set out was my opinion backed up by evidence
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is it Laughable as others have stated backed up by nothing

What status quo? 1-2 points. If I fallow your logic now they can be possible quicker than MS , but after one-two races when he will be ahead of them they will never have chance to be faster than him in the same car? And this come from only 1-2 points difference in WDC. With this difference you can't make any conclusion. Or look this way 91 wins against triple 0 for Nico, Nick and Pertov. This speaks much more than points difference. Points said nothing. Alonso in 2008(5th)-2009(9th) , so all other guys who beat him then will be faster than him in the same car? Probably, but we don't know. Your question don't make any sense. Your point about inferior car has been overturn. Your question doesn't stand anymore.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2011 - 14:27.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:27

backed up by nothing? i compiled a list of points scored in each race , retirements , etc and u just ignore it if it wasnt for the 3rd places they managed at the start of the season they would be nowhere near msc/rosberg


I didn't ignore it.

What I see is that in a season of ups and downs the Renault boys are ahead of (yes only just) Schumacher. That is reason enough to suggest the POSSIBILITY that they would be a match for him or better in an MGP. It does not proove that theory to be LAUGHABLE

For what it's worth, the current trend suggests that Schumacher will indeed overtake them by seasons end.

This debate centres around the LIKELIHOOD of Petrov or Heidfeld (or others) being quicker than Schumi. To put that likelihood at 'Laughable' is to be blind to the evidence.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:31

I didn't ignore it.

What I see is that in a season of ups and downs the Renault boys are ahead of (yes only just) Schumacher. That is reason enough to suggest the POSSIBILITY that they would be a match for him or better in an MGP. It does not proove that theory to be LAUGHABLE

For what it's worth, the current trend suggests that Schumacher will indeed overtake them by seasons end.

This debate centres around the LIKELIHOOD of Petrov or Heidfeld (or others) being quicker than Schumi. To put that likelihood at 'Laughable' is to be blind to the evidence.

There is also LIKELIHOOD that MS will be faster in the same car than SV,LH,FA,JB,MW and FM. To put that likelihood at 'Laughable' is to be blind to the evidence. Told you about Alonso 2008-2009.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2011 - 14:32.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:33

It's funny but I can agree with most of the things you say but you can agree with none of mine.

Are we discussing the same point.

I don't agree that VP,AS,PdR can do better than Schu. Too many unknowns,for all I know Merc builds a rocket in 2012 and MS mops the floor with everyone.
Why not consider that?

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:40

What status quo? 1-2 points. If I fallow your logic now they can be possible quicker than MS , but after one-two races when he will be ahead of them they will never have chance to be faster than him in the same car? And this come from only 1-2 points difference in WDC. With this difference you can't make any conclusion. Or look this way 91 wins against triple 0 for Nico, Nick and Pertov. This speaks much more than points difference. Points said nothing. Alonso in 2008(5th)-2009(9th) , so all other guys who beat him then will be faster than him in the same car? Probably, but we don't know. Your question don't make any sense. Your point about inferior car has been overturn. Your question doesn't stand anymore.


No my Friend it's to do with using the evidence available to ascertain probability of performance. It's also subjective and personal. It also requires context, knowledge and experience as you have all pointed out.

MY OPINION is that

Narain Karthikeyan would have approximately f&&K all chance of matching Schumi in an MGP
Alonso, Vettel or Hamilton would have a high 90s chance of beating him in an MGP
Rosberg high 70s
Petrov, Heidfeld, Di Resta, Koba 60s
etc. etc.

You will have your own numbers, I'm sure but I can guess what they look like.

What I take umbrage with is the response that a driver who is competing already with Schumi would have a chance of beating him rated at laughable. That is where this exchange has come from. If you take a deep breath you may see some common sense there.



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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:42

I didn't ignore it.

What I see is that in a season of ups and downs the Renault boys are ahead of (yes only just) Schumacher. That is reason enough to suggest the POSSIBILITY that they would be a match for him or better in an MGP. It does not proove that theory to be LAUGHABLE

For what it's worth, the current trend suggests that Schumacher will indeed overtake them by seasons end.

This debate centres around the LIKELIHOOD of Petrov or Heidfeld (or others) being quicker than Schumi. To put that likelihood at 'Laughable' is to be blind to the evidence.

beeing quicker or scoring more points ?because the first makes it intresting when comparing rosberg over the last few races :wave:

Edited by arknor, 20 August 2011 - 14:43.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:45

And I am sure you don't remember who said that it is laughable to think that somebody can beat MS? If this is the biggest problem. About your percentage , I guess you don't know who Michael Schumacher is? If MS finish ahead of Nico at the end of the year ,what will be your percentage?

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2011 - 14:46.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:45

There is also LIKELIHOOD that MS will be faster in the same car than SV,LH,FA,JB,MW and FM. To put that likelihood at 'Laughable' is to be blind to the evidence. Told you about Alonso 2008-2009.


Yes, I'm OK with that.

I'd put the probability pretty low based on the evidence, but wouldn't have so little respect for Schumacher as to say it's laughable.

#12512 ivand911

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 14:51

Yes, I'm OK with that.
I'd put the probability pretty low based on the evidence, but wouldn't have so little respect for Schumacher as to say it's laughable.

I would say it is easy to look great, fast when you have great car. MS at 42 is doing great against youngsters. It is not easy, but with shit of a car that he have , it is OK.
Maybe in the future we will another 42 year old in 4th fastest(shit) car and then we can make good comparison. Or we can take Mansell 1995 in 4th fastest car, didn't fare so well.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2011 - 15:02.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 15:02

I don't agree that VP,AS,PdR can do better than Schu. Too many unknowns,for all I know Merc builds a rocket in 2012 and MS mops the floor with everyone.
Why not consider that?


OK, again. I'm considering it.

The difference between my stance and most others here is that I can accept most things as possible (however unlikely). Not one of the Schumacher fans here is capable of accepting the remotest possibility that he would be beaten by any of the names I've put forward.

Are you willing to consider my position?

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 15:06

OK, again. I'm considering it.

The difference between my stance and most others here is that I can accept most things as possible (however unlikely). Not one of the Schumacher fans here is capable of accepting the remotest possibility that he would be beaten by any of the names I've put forward.

Are you willing to consider my position?

Lets stick with the facts. NR finish ahead of MS last year and is leading this year too. Is this enough for you? If drivers you put forward are better/equal than/to Nico, there is possibility that they can beat MS. Happy now. But it is not proven fact, as end result in WDC or something else. For now MS is better than everyone according to statistic and you need to accept that. Most titles and you know the rest. Mr. THE BEST and for long time me think. How not to be happy as MS fan? Next week SPA, 20 year anniversary.

Edited by ivand911, 20 August 2011 - 15:13.


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Posted 20 August 2011 - 15:15

Lets stick with the facts. NR finish ahead of MS last year and is leading this year too. Is this enough for you? If drivers you put forward are better/equal than/to Nico, there is possibility that they can beat MS. Happy now. But it is not proven fact, as end result in WDC or something else. For now MS is better than everyone according to statistic and you need to accept that. Most titles and you know the rest. Mr the BEST and for long time me think.


I was happy anyway but yeah, I can't take issue with anything you've said there.

#12516 fieraku

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 16:10

OK, again. I'm considering it.

The difference between my stance and most others here is that I can accept most things as possible (however unlikely). Not one of the Schumacher fans here is capable of accepting the remotest possibility that he would be beaten by any of the names I've put forward.

Are you willing to consider my position?

Yes everything's possible. It's F1 afterall.

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Posted 20 August 2011 - 19:14

All Michael Schumacher fans, who have Facebook, please join this page: Micahel Schumacher Facebook Fan Page

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 00:56

All Michael Schumacher fans, who have Facebook, please join this page: Micahel Schumacher Facebook Fan Page

what happened to the one from when he used to drive for ferrari that had all the behind the scenes photos and stuff

Edited by arknor, 21 August 2011 - 00:57.


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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:31

There was a page for Schumi which had more than 50,000 members and was growing but that was all of a sudden deleted possibly because I just couldn't find there page later. This probably happened because that page claimed itself to be the Official Michael Schumacher Page which might not have been the case!

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 10:57

what happened to the one from when he used to drive for ferrari that had all the behind the scenes photos and stuff


There was a page for Schumi which had more than 50,000 members and was growing but that was all of a sudden deleted possibly because I just couldn't find there page later. This probably happened because that page claimed itself to be the Official Michael Schumacher Page which might not have been the case!


It was still up while the winter testing...Then in March it just disappeared.

That's why there's a new one. It is up just for 2 months now.

#12521 arknor

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 12:55

There was a page for Schumi which had more than 50,000 members and was growing but that was all of a sudden deleted possibly because I just couldn't find there page later. This probably happened because that page claimed itself to be the Official Michael Schumacher Page which might not have been the case!

i remember it having loads of photos from closed test sessions and stuff? im pretty sure it was official but maybe it was ran by someone at ferrari

Edited by arknor, 21 August 2011 - 12:55.


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Posted 21 August 2011 - 13:29

It´s such an unfortunate that the old page is gone,it had such interesting images

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Posted 21 August 2011 - 23:36

i remember it having loads of photos from closed test sessions and stuff? im pretty sure it was official but maybe it was ran by someone at ferrari

It´s such an unfortunate that the old page is gone,it had such interesting images

Who is able to put up a mirror for that one? I honestly haven't got a clue what you are talking about :)

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 09:13

22.08.2011
Preview Belgian GP
20 years after the debut, Michael returns to Spa – Thank You to all fans for their loyalty and support

„The race in Spa will certainly have a special touch to it this time, as this is where I drove my first ever Formula 1 race 20 years ago. It is hard to believe that this is back such a long time. A lot has changed in those 20 years, but one thing has not: the track still is sensational. I just love this great nature and the resulting layout with all the ups and downs.
To me, Spa remains to be my living room, because it has been the stage for so many things which have been remarkable for my sporting career. This is why this time I would like to specifically send a big Thank You to all my fans for their loyalty and support that I was happy to be given in those 20 years and also since my comeback.
Talking about the sporting side prior to Spa, we are all returning from the summer break with fresh motivation and energy and will try to set an exclamation mark to the Belgian GP.“



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Posted 22 August 2011 - 10:18

:cat: Schumi don't close the door to the DTM. Haug said: "never say never."

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:08

he hasn't enjoyed driving tin tops

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:18

Would love to see something special this weekend from him.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 11:20

he hasn't enjoyed driving tin tops

Yes I remember him saying this
He used to say that the tin top cars are never so customizable as open wheelers, he could never set it up to his likings.
Yet he wins or comes second in ROC every time :up:

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 13:01

IIRC he said he can't be precise through the corners when he cannot see the wheels. That's why he's been most successful with the buggies there.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 13:16

Yes I remember him saying this
He used to say that the tin top cars are never so customizable as open wheelers, he could never set it up to his likings.
Yet he wins or comes second in ROC every time :up:


Maybe because the drivers aren't allowed to modify the cars in ROC....

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 13:33

Yes I remember him saying this
He used to say that the tin top cars are never so customizable as open wheelers, he could never set it up to his likings.
Yet he wins or comes second in ROC every time :up:


When did he win the ROC?

He and Vettel have a good record in the Nations cup, but niether has won the Champion of champions.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 13:49

When did he win the ROC?

He and Vettel have a good record in the Nations cup, but niether has won the Champion of champions.

my bad , i meant the nation cup

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 14:26

Hoping for good things at Spa - my first sporting bet on a Schumacher podium. It feels rude not to at the 20th anniversary.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 16:14

It´s such an unfortunate that the old page is gone,it had such interesting images


Don't worry about that. :) They'll soon be there.

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 19:01

Haug not ruling out DTM future for Schumacher

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Posted 22 August 2011 - 19:28

Haug not ruling out DTM future for Schumacher

http://www.thef1slat...m/thread/110818 good word from shumi :D

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:11

It would be nice if Schumacher bowed to the inevitable and announced is retirement at Spa, he has been bed blocking too long.


I hope he has some greatness and ends his career after this race. It is sad to see him take a seat, that a young an promising driver could use.

Some people really are stuck in deny mode. Hint: watch the news.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 09:12

Split discussion of the Spa debut to it's own thread due to the introduction of other drivers and their first races. Please continue there.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=153050

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 11:02

Michael's race is already screwed. Mansell is steward. :rotfl:

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 12:03

Michael's race is already screwed. Mansell is steward. :rotfl:


Mansell seems to be a fan of Schumacher. The latest F1 magazine indicates that he very much supports Schumacher. It is Hamilton he seems to think needs shaping up.

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 12:09

LeeMcKenzieF1: At Kerpen with Schumacher and Vettel and 2000 fans! Just a quiet day out! They kart against each other in less than an hour
LeeMcKenzieF1: Perfect! Fun kart race on and the rain falls. Schumi overtakes Vettel. Ralf Schu in race too!
LeeMcKenzieF1: Michael Schumacher leads the field home in the 8 kart race!

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 12:45

A feature that will appear on the BBC this weekend, good stuff :up:

#12543 ivand911

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 15:00

Ferrari boss says Schumacher best ever
http://www.yallaf1.c...cher-best-ever/

#12544 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 15:02

Domenicali said: “This will be a special weekend for him [Schumacher] as he celebrates 20 years in Formula 1, which means he is part of the history of the sport and also part of its present. As his seven world titles prove, he is the best driver the sport has seen and is very much in the hearts of everyone at Ferrari and all of us wish him well on this special occasion.”

:up: :up:

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 15:10

LeeMcKenzieF1: At Kerpen with Schumacher and Vettel and 2000 fans! Just a quiet day out! They kart against each other in less than an hour
LeeMcKenzieF1: Perfect! Fun kart race on and the rain falls. Schumi overtakes Vettel. Ralf Schu in race too!
LeeMcKenzieF1: Michael Schumacher leads the field home in the 8 kart race!

How's that even possible? He's old and uhmmm lost his instincts and uhmmm reactions,shouldn't he be in a nursing home? :lol:

Good to see Schumi giving the youngins a taste of greatness.

#12546 puxanando

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 16:07

Good to see Schumi giving the youngins a taste of greatness.

Golden ananas?? :rotfl:
Perhaps they let him win on his great day!?

#12547 EdwardCullen

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 16:17

LeeMcKenzieF1: At Kerpen with Schumacher and Vettel and 2000 fans! Just a quiet day out! They kart against each other in less than an hour
LeeMcKenzieF1: Perfect! Fun kart race on and the rain falls. Schumi overtakes Vettel. Ralf Schu in race too!
LeeMcKenzieF1: Michael Schumacher leads the field home in the 8 kart race!

fantstic to see this happen :up:
Damn i was there in Germany 2 weeks ago....i should have planned it this week :(
i could have gone to Kerpan to see this....i always miss such great oppurtunity :well:

#12548 puxanando

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 16:40

Kerpen - karting club birthday!

#12549 zelpre

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Posted 24 August 2011 - 18:11

LeeMcKenzieF1: At Kerpen with Schumacher and Vettel and 2000 fans! Just a quiet day out! They kart against each other in less than an hour
LeeMcKenzieF1: Perfect! Fun kart race on and the rain falls. Schumi overtakes Vettel. Ralf Schu in race too!
LeeMcKenzieF1: Michael Schumacher leads the field home in the 8 kart race!


Haha thank you, Michael is just unbeatable in karting :)

Kerpen - karting club birthday!


Wow thanks for this. Hope it comes in English too.



Bernie: Schu would make a great team boss

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Posted 25 August 2011 - 12:33

Schumacher and Vettel celebrate 50 years of the Kart Club Kerpen pics

More Pics - http://www.formula1o...-celebrate.html

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