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#12851 George Costanza

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 15:51

A great race; a lot like his 1995 victory. :)

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#12852 arknor

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 16:16

I have all the laptimes. I posted the dif between the two.

Don´t pretend you didn´t see that Michael was helped by the safety car. Michael, before the safety car, was figthing with slower cars while Rosberg was fighting with the top guns. After the safety car, there was a 3.2 seconds dif and Michael had new tyres. The last stint was Michael on softs and Nico not.

That is exactly what happened. Both did well. Safety car helped Michael.

http://en.mclarenf-1.....=Nico Rosberg

face the FACTS rosberg only managed 17 laps that were faster than MSC,...
he lost because his pace wasnt as good...

this isnt the rosberg vs schumacher thread either so if you dont want to add anything useful go post in the correct thread and stop your hating in here

Edited by arknor, 28 August 2011 - 16:17.


#12853 DS27

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 16:44

Great race.

Good to see the old fellow smiling after the race. I thought he even looked a bit misty eyed while being interviewed.

Edited by DS27, 28 August 2011 - 16:46.


#12854 eriknaa

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:23

What a great race, really proud to be a Schumi fan today. He drove really well, and today he showed all the doubters out there that he can still get the job done.
24th to 5th, is just great, and a nice reward after that unlucky shunt yesterday in Quali. And not least for his 20th celebration in F1, with golden helmet and everything
The KING of SPA returned today :up: :up: :up:


#12855 walkindude

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:28

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Race start onboard

#12856 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:31

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SD: Michael ,you will finish 5th tomorrow. We even put the 5 here for you.

#12857 as65p

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:34

Good race from the old man today. :up:

#12858 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:36

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Race start onboard

Great, he even overtake DIR without DRS.


#12859 hodg

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:42

I think todays race was his best since his come back, I can see him doing well in Monza too.

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#12860 thrillercd

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:46

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SD: Michael ,you will finish 5th tomorrow. We even put the 5 here for you.


:rotfl: :rotfl:

#12861 hodg

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:49

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Race start onboard



That was a great video, wish we could see the whole race onboard like that.

#12862 weston

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:53

I think todays race was his best since his come back, I can see him doing well in Monza too.


He was also great in Canada. The spark is back for a while.
He (and Rosberg) needs a little bit better car to have podium finishes.

#12863 Urawa

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 17:53

today justed showed what would have been possible in the last races and that he´s definitely a hard opponent for his teammate on sunday.
he has to stay out of trouble of course and keep his head cool, that´s what he did today.
if that´s the case there will be a good amount of more points this season.

Edited by Urawa, 28 August 2011 - 17:54.


#12864 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 18:09

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BE: Michael, this look faster than your W02? And the tyres will never fall.

Edited by ivand911, 28 August 2011 - 18:21.


#12865 SeanValen

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 18:17

I don't know, but did anyone else think that it was kinda pre-fated that his qualifying was once again at Spa, sending him back to the grid, it kinda must of made everyone think, on his 20th anniversay, that a back from the grid performance to the front was on the cards, a kind of Spa legacy strong performance. Michael was strong here at Spa last year in the mercedes, but given the amount of glitches and team errors, he deserved this and it was good timing for the legend. It wouldn't of been downbeat after all the celebrations and special helmets/shirts that his race ended too early or something, so this was a cool result, not just for Schuey, but the overall spectre of the Spa race, with no rain, we had a great race from many drivers, and Schumacher's legacy at Spa had it's impact as well.



Great straight line speed from Mercedes, with Monza's straights, hopefully it can be a plus there. :smoking:


A race track like Spa with it's speed/corners, just allowes Schumacher to let it rip, it's fast track., a track like Valencia with alot of slow corners, is not what he's enjoying with these current tyres/car/rules, the most faster tracks the better, Magny Cours in France Michael won 8 times, it had a fast sector 1, which Kimi was also mind blowing with, if the Texas race and Inda race can provide those sort of sectors, and perhaps kerb riding like Imola, another race Michael would excel at if still on, then it helps with his overall balance and strengths, as I do think Imola and Magny Courts not being on the calender doesn't help Michael, because he was especially strong here, so he needs those specific fast corners in this ever modern day f1 to show those differences he can make in the fast corners.


#12866 BRK

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 19:51

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BE: Michael, this look faster than your W02? And the tyres will never fall.


Check out Leonid Brezhnev to Michael's right, come back from the past to hand MS a bicycle. Is it Soviet-make, by any chance?

A race track like Spa with it's speed/corners, just allowes Schumacher to let it rip, it's fast track., a track like Valencia with alot of slow corners, is not what he's enjoying with these current tyres/car/rules, the most faster tracks the better, Magny Cours in France Michael won 8 times, it had a fast sector 1, which Kimi was also mind blowing with, if the Texas race and Inda race can provide those sort of sectors, and perhaps kerb riding like Imola, another race Michael would excel at if still on, then it helps with his overall balance and strengths, as I do think Imola and Magny Courts not being on the calender doesn't help Michael, because he was especially strong here, so he needs those specific fast corners in this ever modern day f1 to show those differences he can make in the fast corners.


Agree totally, Schumacher's a demon through the high-speed corners, someone at Mercedes admitted the same last season I think. That's why Spa (and Suzuka) are such legendary driver's tracks and also two of his favourite layouts.

#12867 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 20:29

Check out Leonid Brezhnev to Michael's right, come back from the past to hand MS a bicycle. Is it Soviet-make, by any chance?

This is Eddy Merckx.
http://www.eddymerckx.be/


#12868 Tardis40

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 20:35

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Race start onboard


Wow!

#12869 salamin

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 20:46

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Race start onboard


from 2:02 - refusing to lift at t18 - what a fighter :up:

#12870 DutchCruijff

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:04

This is Eddy Merckx.
http://www.eddymerckx.be/

Great pic, the 2 best sportsmen of their sports.

#12871 Wretched

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:18

A fantastic drive by MS.
Can't wait for Monza.

#12872 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:20

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#12873 george1981

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:21

Looking at Schumacher's start I noticed that he didn't overtake anyone off the line into the first corner as he usually does when starting further up the grid. He was last going into La Source.
I think this was deliberate, he thought there would be a pile up on that corner and held back to navigate his way through.

#12874 ivand911

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:30

Looking at Schumacher's start I noticed that he didn't overtake anyone off the line into the first corner as he usually does when starting further up the grid. He was last going into La Source.
I think this was deliberate, he thought there would be a pile up on that corner and held back to navigate his way through.

Than is probably true , but he was also with hards, all around him with softs, so they started better. But , I guess he didn't hurry for the fist corner mix-up.

Edited by ivand911, 28 August 2011 - 21:31.


#12875 george1981

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:35

Than is probably true , but he was also with hards, all around him with softs, so they started better. But , I guess he didn't hurry for the fist corner mix-up.


I was expecting big things from him from the start, even being on the hards I would have thought he would have been quicker off the line than the Hispania's and the Virgin's.
When I saw him picking his way through La Source making up places I thought he had a slow start on purpose.

#12876 topical

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 21:42

Good drive today by Schumacher. With this sort of performance he can just earn about justify his place on the grid beyond the lure of nostalgia.

#12877 AirWebber

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Posted 28 August 2011 - 22:12

Is it true that on his Saturday cellebrations at the Merc motorhome Eddie Jordan came by and gave Michael the broken clutch of his Spa 1992 Jordan ?

#12878 ivand911

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 07:09

Is it true that on his Saturday cellebrations at the Merc motorhome Eddie Jordan came by and gave Michael the broken clutch of his Spa 1992 Jordan ?

Yes, Spa 1991 clutch. It looks like a clutch. I hope after this race , Michael will not bring this clutch at every race.

Edited by ivand911, 29 August 2011 - 07:10.


#12879 buellher

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:35

:kiss: :clap: :clap: :clap:

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#12880 Craven Morehead

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 08:54

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fantastic footage. :up:

#12881 KiloWatt

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 11:53

Very good drive by the man. I share the opinion of some that he held of on purpose at the start to let the drama play out. The speed at which he closed on the virgins up the hill made it look like he was chasing some GP cars which probably isn't far of the mark.

He's getting better with every race. And the statistic is telling that he's got slightly more points than 12 races in this season, than last. While Nico (don't take this personally Nico fans) has got almost twice as few and is barely in the double digits ahead of him. My point being merly that he's coping much much much better with things this year.

But you already knew that...

Edited by KiloWatt, 29 August 2011 - 11:55.


#12882 Unbiased

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 12:18

Driver of the day for me.

24th to 5th is impressive in that car. He still has it, you don't lose it just like that. Too bad that is the maximum of the car, he would be fighting for wins like his dominant years in the front 2 team's cars.

But I still feel half the grid should be traded in for new drivers.

Edited by Unbiased, 29 August 2011 - 12:19.


#12883 Tardis40

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 13:07

It was a nice result, but the car still is the limiting factor. If it weren't for Hamilton's accident and Massa's puncture, the Mercedes would have been 7th and 8th again. Schumacher finished 47 seconds behind the winner in a 44 lap race and he drove a perfect race. One can only hope that next year they will get it right!

#12884 DutchCruijff

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 13:50

Is there any footage of Schumacher overtaking both Perez & Petrov? Yesterday was a great show of his experience, hanging back at La Source in full confidence that there will be a crash and also passing Petrov & Perez + the rest with consummate ease.

Ross Brawn:- "Within my career he is the reference point, he is the best driver I've ever seen"

Edited by DutchCruijff, 29 August 2011 - 13:52.


#12885 Atomicus

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 13:55

Schumacher was very cool yesterday, too bad about the call but since it looked like Rosberg ignored the call I don't think it should be used to diminish Michael's work.

#12886 sharo

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 14:08

We don't know the timing of the call, do we. Radio conversations are usually transmitted with a delay.

#12887 Sof1

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 14:21

The "call" was exactly what it was, Nico pushed too hard at the start of the race and had to save fuel at the end. There was no hint to let MSC pass or anything of that sort.

Nico is ahead of Schumacher with the WDC points and there is no justification for the team to deprive their lead scoring driver of the much needed WDC points. All other attempts of twisting this around, is just bull$hit.

#12888 sharo

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 14:23

I am saying in fact the same, if this was a reply to my post.

#12889 FlashMaster

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Posted 29 August 2011 - 15:10

That was a great video, wish we could see the whole race onboard like that.


You have to live in Germany and buy Sky. We got the "Schwarz-Rot-Gold Channel" whichs shows the race 100% of Vettel, Rosberg and MS onboard.

Edited by FlashMaster, 29 August 2011 - 15:10.


#12890 salamin

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 18:24

another record for MS: first time a driver finishes in the top 5, with a quali position outside the top 20 (only for the Spa track of course)

#12891 salamin

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 20:07

MS onboard first 10 laps
part 1
part 2

enjoy

#12892 ivand911

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 20:28

Thanks.

#12893 Diablobb81

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 20:36

Thanks. The only more footage i would like to see (except the whole race onboard :p ) is his pass at SC restart.

#12894 spacekid

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 21:02

Thanks Salamin, I enjoyed that thanks for posting!

#12895 George Costanza

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 21:07

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related

One of best and underrated dry to very wet races.... European Grand Prix, 2000.

Edited by George Costanza, 31 August 2011 - 00:12.


#12896 baddog

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 22:33

Is there any footage of Schumacher overtaking both Perez & Petrov? Yesterday was a great show of his experience, hanging back at La Source in full confidence that there will be a crash and also passing Petrov & Perez + the rest with consummate ease.

Ross Brawn:- "Within my career he is the reference point, he is the best driver I've ever seen"

It was on the main live feed so should be easy enough to find.

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Posted 30 August 2011 - 22:40

MS onboard first 10 laps
part 1
part 2

enjoy



Thanks!! :cool:

#12898 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 31 August 2011 - 07:36

Interesting to see he only started going through Eau Rouge full throttle starting with lap 8.

Other than that, it seemed like a quite clean run to my untrained eye. Only a few small errors throughout (opening lap Blanchimont, at one point in La Source), but some difficulty with Pouhon, which he approached in different manners a few times...

#12899 Sof1

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 10:02

Do you guys think Michael will be superstitious and keep the new golden, 20th anniversary helmet or just go back to the old one?

I personally like the new one's look better, the old one has too much red/Ferrari in it.

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#12900 GoRacing

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Posted 01 September 2011 - 11:45

Do you guys think Michael will be superstitious and keep the new golden, 20th anniversary helmet or just go back to the old one?

I personally like the new one's look better, the old one has too much red/Ferrari in it.


I like the new one too, but hard to differentiate between Nico and MS now. Would still want MS to do away with his red one, but maybe something in silver and black!