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#13001 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:29

I don't know if I was still dreaming but wasn't Nico on softs in Q1, going out on 2 runs?


No, he just did one more hot lap than Michael on mediums.

Michael should have done it too since he risked getting in Q2.

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 September 2011 - 13:29.


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#13002 DutchCruijff

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:31

I was dreaming.

#13003 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:32

Michael should have done it too since he risked getting in Q2.

how can you say that now when it's clear that he shouldn't have done that and it played out ok?

i mean...ok, demand safety when the close call gets wrong but why when it was a right call? this is f1, not safety parade

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:37

I think he could have been in 6th had Hamilton not ruined his last lap.

Just hope he has a good start and keeps the front wing intact, bit scary with Petrov so close.


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:38

I also think they have different set up. We will see which is better for the race.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:41

I think he could have been in 6th had Hamilton not ruined his last lap.

Just hope he has a good start and keeps the front wing intact, bit scary with Petrov so close.

Don't worry Bruno is behind. :rotfl:


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:46

I think he could have been in 6th had Hamilton not ruined his last lap.

Just hope he has a good start and keeps the front wing intact, bit scary with Petrov so close.


Yes, that too a very tight first corner. Hope Petrov doesn't do something stupid.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:48

MS had fastest first sector (26.9) on his flying lap but he was hel back by Hamilton's mistake infront of him. He was clearly aiming for P6.

:up:
Yup. Buggered by LH, but otherwise two more good days for grandpa. A good start tomorrow could see him chasing 5th or 6th at least.

Edited by Group B, 10 September 2011 - 13:49.


#13009 GoRacing

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:52

Pretty much what I expected, but I think MS got caught in traffic at the end, wasn't it Hamilton directly ahead of him who made the mistake? Unlucky, he was probably setting himself up for a tow from the McLaren, very annoying nevertheless.

Should be a great race tomorrow. Rosberg is the only guy on mediums in the entire field, either they've gone completely bonkers or it's going to pay off handsomsely.


I really cant understand the strategy for Nico. He had the pace for 4th or 5th definitely. Tyre wear is low here and he will be so slow off the line that everybody behind him on softs will just drive past him. Are they expecting a safety car early in which case he can get the medium tyres out of the way early and run with 2 new set of softs. Can't think of anything else.

#13010 ivand911

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:56

I really cant understand the strategy for Nico. He had the pace for 4th or 5th definitely. Tyre wear is low here and he will be so slow off the line that everybody behind him on softs will just drive past him. Are they expecting a safety car early in which case he can get the medium tyres out of the way early and run with 2 new set of softs. Can't think of anything else.

Agree, he count on SC. And he could be right there.


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:57

Yes, that too a very tight first corner. Hope Petrov doesn't do something stupid.


Or Senna. Both quick starting Renaults.

First corner's a nightmare here, hope he gets away cleanly and doesn't get bottled up on the outsideat the exit, that'd completely wreck his race.

I think Merc have some good straightline speed so he should be able to make up some places quickly, after which it'll be a matter of keeping them behind, easier said than done at this track and the DRS.

Looking forward to it. I for one don't think it's going to be processional.


#13012 ivand911

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 13:59

There will be a lot of overtaking. You overtake in one DRS zone and been overtaken on the next one.

Edited by ivand911, 10 September 2011 - 14:00.


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 14:10

Agree, he count on SC. And he could be right there.

its monza though are we really likely to see an SC? i think not and he will lose so much time to everyone on the softs also as its not a high tyre wear track the softs are probably going to last for along time

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 14:15

I'm dissaponted really. Putting him out in the middle of the traffic is such a stupid idea! What were they doing when all were in the garage after their first attempt??!At that time the track was clear! Idiots. And then just one hot lap, really smart. And then Lewis' mistake and now he's behing Petrov on the dirty side of the grid. He also didn't save any extra sets of tyres. Blah

Rosberg might lose or might move up the field. If the SC comes in first 5-7 laps, he might finish in top 5 or maybe a chance for a podium.

EDIT:

For Michael, qualifying today went mostly according to plan:

“I don’t think we could have taken much more; maybe I could have ended up one place higher. I didn’t have an ideal fast lap as I tried to use the slipstream from Lewis but then he locked up in the second chicane, which made me lock up too. However I will be on soft tyres tomorrow which should be better for my race.

"As our race pace looked quite good yesterday, I was more focusing on the race and trying to use the tyres in the right way. For tomorrow, I will try to get a good start and take it from there.”


Edited by zelpre, 10 September 2011 - 14:38.


#13015 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 17:47

Another horrible quali performamce and another very creative excuse from Michael:

I didn’t have an ideal fast lap as I tried to use the slipstream from Lewis but then he locked up in the second chicane, which made me lock up too.


So if Lewis crashed out in second chicane, that would made Schumi to crash too :lol:? "He hit the wall, which made me hit the wall too" :lol:. Maybe their minds are somehow connected, so something "made him" to do that :lol:?

Anyway, he's 2 tenths behind Renault, which was 5 tenths slower than Mercedes, as was proved in Q2, so overall he's at least 7 tenths off car's potential. How long Mercedes can tolerate such a pathetic quali pace? And don't tell me fables about one driver focusing on quali, while other has a set-up for race, that's nice fable, but as proved by leaders at Red Bull, McLaren or Ferrari, who are dominant both during Saturday and Sunday, it's only true in dreams, not in a real world.

#13016 Francesc

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 17:50

Another horrible quali performamce and another very creative excuse from Michael:



So if Lewis crashed out in second chicane, that would made Schumi to crash too :lol:? "He hit the wall, which made me hit the wall too" :lol:. Maybe their minds are somehow connected, so something "made him" to do that :lol:?

Anyway, he's 2 tenths behind Renault, which was 5 tenths slower than Mercedes, as was proved in Q2, so overall he's at least 7 tenths off car's potential. How long Mercedes can tolerate such a pathetic quali pace? And don't tell me fables about one driver focusing on quali, while other has a set-up for race, that's nice fable, but as proved by leaders at Red Bull, McLaren or Ferrari, who are dominant both during Saturday and Sunday, it's only true in dreams, not in a real world.


Mercedes is a damn joke, it looks like that they don't care about results, instead they seem to only care about the press talking about them because of Schumacher.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 17:55

Mercedes is a damn joke, it looks like that they don't care about results, instead they seem to only care about the press talking about them because of Schumacher.


:rotfl:

perhaps this brings more money than the points earned in races! They are real funny....Nobby, Schumi & Brawn! Won't like to miss them.
Give the F1 something from "Roncalli"! :cat:

Edited by puxanando, 10 September 2011 - 17:55.


#13018 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 18:08

Oh, look. The ....... have gathered. :rolleyes:

Edited by Diablobb81, 10 September 2011 - 18:09.


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 18:12

Oh, look. The ....... have gathered. :rolleyes:



Yeah three trolls having a gala time! :lol: They will probably delete this comment but keep the flame baiters comments!

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#13020 DutchCruijff

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 18:14

:rotfl:

perhaps this brings more money than the points earned in races! They are real funny....Nobby, Schumi & Brawn! Won't like to miss them.
Give the F1 something from "Roncalli"! :cat:

Why aren't you in the kitchen?

Edited by DutchCruijff, 10 September 2011 - 18:15.


#13021 Diablobb81

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 18:23

Yeah three trolls having a gala time! :lol: They will probably delete this comment but keep the flame baiters comments!


Of course they will keep the flame going. Mastah only managed to get everything wrong in his post.

#13022 Szoelloe

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 19:05

Oh, look. The ....... have gathered. :rolleyes:


LOL, just sit back and entertain yourself. They are actually funny.


#13023 puxanando

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:20

Why aren't you in the kitchen?

:rolleyes: Are you?

#13024 ivand911

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:23

Oh, look. The ....... have gathered. :rolleyes:

Yeah, in full force. But,they can entertain us. As usual. :p

Why aren't you in the kitchen?

Oh, no, you hurt her feelings. :cool:
Maybe Mastah miss the message to Alonso to do the same?? To look for a tow. Michael find tow, but Lewis messed it as usual. He maybe expected MS to jump Lewis? But , this is not long jump.

Edited by ivand911, 10 September 2011 - 20:29.


#13025 arknor

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:25

:rolleyes: Are you?

alonsos opinion of you would be very low if he read your posts in this thread..

i could probably quote atleast 10 comments from alonso in the last 12 months about schumacher and all of them very postive

#13026 puxanando

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:38

alonsos opinion of you would be very low if he read your posts in this thread..

i could probably quote atleast 10 comments from alonso in the last 12 months about schumacher and all of them very postive


where are my posts 'negative'? Live is hard! And Alonso do well with making compliments to ALL the drivers!


#13027 ivand911

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:43

where are my posts 'negative'? Live is hard! And Alonso do well with making compliments to ALL the drivers!

It is hard to be Alonso now. Vettel equal him and soon(next year) will overtake him in the title race. Life is hard. And MS is laughing, looking their fight down below. In the end of the season all other will have total 6 titles!

Edited by ivand911, 10 September 2011 - 20:48.


#13028 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:44

Live is hard!

well, life wasn't so hard to all of us
it could explain some of the posts you write here though..if it's been so hard to you

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 20:54

. Vettel equal him and soon(next year) will overtake him in the title race.!


:drunk: You are Nostradamus? Can you please tell me the Lotto-numbers for next week too??


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:04

:drunk: You are Nostradamus? Can you please tell me the Lotto-numbers for next week too??

It is not working this way. I can't see short future, I see only in distant future. And no, I will not tell you the Lotto numbers in any week from the distant future. This information is only for me. But, you can bet on Vettel for next year champion. Enough said.

Edited by ivand911, 10 September 2011 - 21:05.


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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:08

:drunk: You are Nostradamus? Can you please tell me the Lotto-numbers for next week too??


7, 68, 72, 91, 154


#13032 Atomicus

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:24

Arrgh. :well:




Are you some kind of a masochist that just comes here to get abused every single time? I can understand ridiculous opinions but trolling so blatantly is sort of against the rules.
Have you no self-respect at all? :lol:


Not that I disagree completely with you but I've been told that calling other people trolls or that they are trolling is against the rules also.

It is hard to be Alonso now. Vettel equal him and soon(next year) will overtake him in the title race. Life is hard. And MS is laughing, looking their fight down below. In the end of the season all other will have total 6 titles!


Please, feel free to contribute that in the Alonso thread. :)

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Regarding the qualy, not bad for Schumacher. I think he could end up ahead of Massa and hopefull ahead of both Renaults. Hope the Mercedes don't go backwards on race day.

#13033 Mastah

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:27

Maybe Mastah miss the message to Alonso to do the same?? To look for a tow. Michael find tow, but Lewis messed it as usual. He maybe expected MS to jump Lewis? But , this is not long jump.


You don't understand the difference between locking up the tyres and blocking? That's shocking.

Schumi was 3 seconds behind Lewis. How the hell locking up tyres by Lewis made Schumi to do the same 3 (THREE) seconds after in the same spot? He wasn't affected by Lewis' actions, it's impossible. He screwed on his own and afterwards made silly excuse blaming Lewis for his own mistake and pathetic driving (being 7 tenths off car's potential and 2 tenths behind Renault, which is 0,5 second slower than Mercedes).


#13034 Group B

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:31

You don't understand the difference between locking up the tyres and blocking? That's shocking.

Schumi was 3 seconds behind Lewis. How the hell locking up tyres by Lewis made Schumi to do the same 3 (THREE) seconds after in the same spot? He wasn't affected by Lewis' actions, it's impossible. He screwed on his own and afterwards made silly excuse blaming Lewis for his own mistake and pathetic driving (being 7 tenths off car's potential and 2 tenths behind Renault, which is 0,5 second slower than Mercedes).

Well Brundle and Coulthard must be pathetic too, since they said it affected MS' lap at the time it happened.



#13035 sharo

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:31

It's really refreshing to have a good laugh at so much effort thrown in vain. :wave:

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 21:44

It will be so GREAT watching Schumi gain five spots by the end of lap 1! I wish I was there.

#13037 BRK

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 22:09

It is hard to be Alonso now. Vettel equal him and soon(next year) will overtake him in the title race. Life is hard. And MS is laughing, looking their fight down below. In the end of the season all other will have total 6 titles!


I think they're going through the phase when they're finally beginning to realize their favoured driver is incapable of achieving what Schumacher did in the Ferrari, plus scared shitless Vettel seems to be a force to be reckoned with and is here to stay. They came in all guns blazing, last year was an embarrassment, this year has been worse, at an average of 2-3 wins a season -in a Ferrari, no less- he'll get thumped,whacked and smacked by the likes of Hamilton and Vettel pretty soon, and realization has finally dawned. Which is why they're here, baiting and fishing on the Schumacher thread and\or blaming Ferrari for all their woes. What better way to cower away and hide when the heat gets turned up. :cool:

Except frans, of course. Frans trolls......because he can.


Anyway, I'm hoping the fact that he took it easy on the tyres through the FPs and Qualifying will pay off in the race, otherwise they may need to change they way they approach the weekend once again. Somehow China stands out in my mind as their best approach to a weekend yet.

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 22:51

Well Brundle and Coulthard must be pathetic too, since they said it affected MS' lap at the time it happened.


They are wrong. Lewis let Michael through just before Ascari chicane, if anything Schumi gained an advantage from his tow. Sector times from that lap:

S1 26.9 (PB 26.955)
S2 28.6 (PB 28.568)
S3 28.2 (PB 28.070)

He messed up on his own in S2, in second chicane, and blamed Lewis, even though Schumi was 3 seconds behind him at that time. What was the reason for his poor S3, when he got all space he needed? Santa Claus? UFO? Or maybe he simply had horrible lap, as usual these days? Nah, it had to be something.


Updated list of excuses for poor qualfying:

Australia - KERS
Malaysia - DRS
China - DRS
Turkey - no grip
Spain - KERS
Canada - loss of power
Europe - oversteer
Great Britain - understeer
Germany - "I tried to push even harder to compensate which lead to a mistake" (my favourite one :lol:)
Hungary - supersofts not working
Italy - Lewis

#13039 Atomicus

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 22:59

I think they're going through the phase when they're finally beginning to realize their favoured driver is incapable of achieving what Schumacher did in the Ferrari, plus scared shitless Vettel seems to be a force to be reckoned with and is here to stay. They came in all guns blazing, last year was an embarrassment, this year has been worse, at an average of 2-3 wins a season -in a Ferrari, no less- he'll get thumped,whacked and smacked by the likes of Hamilton and Vettel pretty soon, and realization has finally dawned. Which is why they're here, baiting and fishing on the Schumacher thread and\or blaming Ferrari for all their woes. What better way to cower away and hide when the heat gets turned up. :cool:

Except frans, of course. Frans trolls......because he can.


Anyway, I'm hoping the fact that he took it easy on the tyres through the FPs and Qualifying will pay off in the race, otherwise they may need to change they way they approach the weekend once again. Somehow China stands out in my mind as their best approach to a weekend yet.


As much as you may want to distort reality, I feel you are greatly going to be disappointed very soon.

Edited by Atomicus, 10 September 2011 - 23:08.


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#13040 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 10 September 2011 - 23:03

since when do you experience this kind of sensing? did you tell anybody else about it?

this thread is getting ridiculous and the mods are not doing there job again.
guys you can't rely on others reporting posts. do your job

#13041 arknor

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 00:21

since when do you experience this kind of sensing? did you tell anybody else about it?

this thread is getting ridiculous and the mods are not doing there job again.
guys you can't rely on others reporting posts. do your job

i gave up reporting as im sure most others have as even when its a pure blatant troll arttempt from frans it gets ignored , others saw this all last year and decided it would be "fun" to join in.

our 2 posts are more likely to get deleted than the trolls

#13042 baddog

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 01:14

And seriously, how stupid could they be at the BBC. Nobody ever saw the teammates going different directions on tyre choice. "All hail to Michael!" Yeah right, Hamilton might have cost him a bit but there's still a gap.

So what? remember Monaco? Nico went out on the softer tyres when his car was fixed and naturally went faster than Michael had on the hard ones. DC and Brundle said Michael should retire immediately because of being so humiliated.

They are idiots, this is not news.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 04:03

(list of excuses)

Mate, you forgot the most obvious one: wheel falling off in Belgium. :p

#13044 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 06:24

He messed up on his own in S2, in second chicane, and blamed Lewis, even though Schumi was 3 seconds behind him at that time. What was the reason for his poor S3, when he got all space he needed? Santa Claus? UFO? Or maybe he simply had horrible lap, as usual these days? Nah, it had to be something.

As much you continue repeating one lie, it will not become a true. They were separate by around a 1 sec between them(it was Button, after him Lewis and Michael). What tow you will look if you are 3 sec behind?? Only you can think about something like this! Michael was right behind Lewis as MB said. On the straight before Parabolica ,Michael was 1 -2 car lengths behind Lewis.

Edited by ivand911, 11 September 2011 - 06:33.


#13045 Jomyboy

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 08:12

Even though I am a huge fan of Michael Schumacher I must agree that up in the head he is a real dumb person. Everybody on earth knows that Schumacher is having problems with Qualifying. He rarely gets the optimum lap and qualifies 9th-10th. You might as well qualify on hard tyres and save a set of softs for the race if you are gonna qualify that low. The thing is, even though the hards take about 1-2 laps to get upto temperature, there is no DRS zone enabled for the first 2 laps. So you effectively get rid of the hard tyres in the start and if you pit on lap 4-5 the rest of the race you are running with a tyre that is 1 sec faster. Since Michaels race pace is so good and qualifying shit, they should be sacrificing qualifying for him to get a good race strategy going. Spa was a good example - Even Michael admitted that saving tyres was key for his progress. After all that, he still acts like a dumb*** and tries to qualify with softs in 8th. If he doesnt have braiins so be it - why are the rest in the Schumi camp acting like dumbshits as well I will never know

#13046 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 08:26

Don't worry, to finish the race, you have to finish first. For 305 km a lot of stuff can happen. Michael have problems in Qualy because he focus on race more, it is easy to have such problems as Nico prove it. It was easy MS to out-qualify him yesterday, as it was easy for Nico to out-qualify him before. Now, I don't think that MS put all in Qualy, today pace will tell us more. Depend how long softs will hold, MS can use hards on last 2-3 laps only.

Edited by ivand911, 11 September 2011 - 08:27.


#13047 BRK

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 09:01

As much as you may want to distort reality, I feel you are greatly going to be disappointed very soon.


Why would I need to distort reality when the fact is that he has averaged 2-3 wins a season for Ferrari? Make that less than 2.5 in five years. Including one (probably two) fixed races, with a bonus of a controversy or scandal every two years. And check out the Ferrari thread, it's always a case of blaming the car\tyres\driving styles\engineers\Domenicali (a hot favourite, these days) for his own failures as a driver. Not that I would've wanted to rub it in, but after some of the cringeworthy fanboy nonsense from last year I'm glad this season Vettel and co. are putting them in their place.;) So yeah, that does indeed seem to be the reason they're camping here on the Schumacher thread, since even prime target Lewis Hamilton seems to be doing well.

As much you continue repeating one lie, it will not become a true. They were separate by around a 1 sec between them(it was Button, after him Lewis and Michael). What tow you will look if you are 3 sec behind?? Only you can think about something like this! Michael was right behind Lewis as MB said. On the straight before Parabolica ,Michael was 1 -2 car lengths behind Lewis.


Always thought of the concertina effect as common sense with a fancy name, apparently not to some people. :)

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 09:17

Mate, you forgot the most obvious one: wheel falling off in Belgium. :p


Because that was the only believable one :D.



As much you continue repeating one lie, it will not become a true. They were separate by around a 1 sec between them(it was Button, after him Lewis and Michael). What tow you will look if you are 3 sec behind?? Only you can think about something like this! Michael was right behind Lewis as MB said. On the straight before Parabolica ,Michael was 1 -2 car lengths behind Lewis.


You only have opinions, I have solid PROOFS. Lewis crosses the start/finish line with 32 seconds left:

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Schumi does it with 29 seconds left:

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32 - 29 = 3 seconds. They were separeted by 3 seconds. You're wrong. I'm right.



Michael have problems in Qualy because he focus on race more


Nice way to say "Michael just sucks in quali, he's very slow". Getting as creative with excuses as your idol I see :lol:.



Always thought of the concertina effect as common sense with a fancy name, apparently not to some people. :)


Concertina effect with 3 seconds between drivers? Hahahaha.

#13049 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 10:04

Sorry, your screens doesn't prove anything. They can cross start line with difference 0,5 sec and you can take this screens with difference of time that you want!! Give me screens from 31sec and 30 sec., please. What is the track distance between cars in Monza if they are 3sec apart? 150-200 meters? Better review again the end of the qualy.
And Nico was very slow yesterday, what to do, he need to retire. This is according to you. Drivers don't give a shit about qualy. Why Nico will try hards then? Why they say P11 is better than P10?

#13050 bsoares

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 10:10

I have a different time. Michael crossed the line with 30s remaining.

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