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#13201 Afterburner

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 16:49

Fantastic drive from Schumacher today, and quite an exciting duel with Hamilton as well. Now if Merc can just get their car sorted, we might see more awesome battles near the front such as this one. :D

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#13202 EdwardCullen

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 16:59

Fantastic drive from Schumacher today, and quite an exciting duel with Hamilton as well. Now if Merc can just get their car sorted, we might see more awesome battles near the front such as this one. :D

Well the Mercs are fast on tracks with long straights
well Indian GP looks like a good place for Schumy to get podium (as i will be there to watch it) hopefully
the Indian Gp track is said to have much higher average speed than Monza! :clap:

#13203 Aloisioitaly

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:04

It was a good battle, a hard but fair one. That’s why we all love drivers like Senna, Mansell, Schumacher, Alonso or Hamilton.
(Vettel is about to join this group).


We all?!?

#13204 Urawa

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:05

generally I think all of the remaining tracks should be ok for him, I expect some strong showings at Singapore, Interlagos and especially Suzuka.

#13205 Afterburner

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:16

One more thing--can we finally put the "Jock Clear Conspiracy" to bed now? Ever since Clear's gone back to his post as one of the race engineers, Schumacher's had two fantastic races, both due in part to some sensible strategy calls. They seem to be a very strong team.

#13206 ivand911

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:22

One more thing--can we finally put the "Jock Clear Conspiracy" to bed now? Ever since Clear's gone back to his post as one of the race engineers, Schumacher's had two fantastic races, both due in part to some sensible strategy calls. They seem to be a very strong team.

Yeah, we can. But ,it was good laugh. I think Clear is bringing luck, before for Nico ,now for Michael. Lets continue this way.


#13207 weston

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:26

One more thing--can we finally put the "Jock Clear Conspiracy" to bed now? Ever since Clear's gone back to his post as one of the race engineers, Schumacher's had two fantastic races, both due in part to some sensible strategy calls. They seem to be a very strong team.


No. Keep conspiracy alive. We might need it later. :drunk:

#13208 VresiBerba

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:31

Go away.

I don't think so...

Troll! :down:

I really respect your posts,but this is a low blow.

Chesus kraist :eek: So I hadn't watched the replay of the start and obviously got a few things wrong, but come on :rolleyes:

Edited by VresiBerba, 11 September 2011 - 17:32.


#13209 as65p

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:35

Chesus kraist :eek: So I hadn't watched the replay of the start and obviously got a few things wrong, but come on :rolleyes:


Well, with that often patronising tone of yours what do you expect? It's like on track, if you want to be arrogant, first make sure you're right. :p

#13210 Diablobb81

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:36

Chesus kraist :eek: So I hadn't watched the replay of the start and obviously got a few things wrong, but come on :rolleyes:


Problem is that you constantly don't watch what you are talking about.

What was the incident when you were in the bathroom? :rotfl: You were sure quick to start a thread though.

Edited by Diablobb81, 11 September 2011 - 17:36.


#13211 thrillercd

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:46

It is good to see Michael showing some magic from past again. I hope Michael will do a podium before season end and i am looking forward a competitive car for next year.

#13212 EdwardCullen

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 17:56

It is good to see Michael showing some magic from past again. I hope Michael will do a podium before season end and i am looking forward a competitive car for next year.

hope so :up: :up:

#13213 VresiBerba

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:05

Well, with that often patronising tone of yours what do you expect? It's like on track, if you want to be arrogant, first make sure you're right. :p

Well, at least I'm not big enough to admit when I'm wrong. And who are you to accuse people of patronising tones, have you ever written a post beyond 140 characters on this board that's not.

Thanks, Tor.

Edited by VresiBerba, 11 September 2011 - 18:23.


#13214 F1 Tor.

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:15

Well, at least I'm not big enough to admit when I'm wrong. And who are you to accuse people of patronising tones, have you ever written a post beyond 140 characters on this board that's not.


I think you mean you ARE big enough......nevermind. ;)

#13215 VresiBerba

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:22

I think you mean you ARE big enough......nevermind.;)

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#13216 pUs

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:24

Well, at least I'm not big enough to admit when I'm wrong.


For once, I agree with you. :lol:

Edited by pUs, 11 September 2011 - 18:26.


#13217 cheapracer

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:26



Great drive, good to see some hard driving out there again, might be some life in the old boy yet  ;)

I do wish they were more like American racers though, those guys appreciate that 4th place is nowhere so they help each other until they get themselves back up to the front and at least Hamilton and maybe MS could have had Alonso today had they worked together.





#13218 cheapracer

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:27

For once, I agree with you. :lol:


Was a Fraudian slip if I ever saw one.


#13219 kal-el

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:29

So does anyone think Schumacher can get on the podium before the season ends?

probably India.. long long long straight

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#13220 BRK

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 18:34

You know Michael's had a great race when there's two Schumacher-haters bitchslapping each other on the Schumacher thread. :D

Bundle of laughs, this last page. Thanks for the entertainment.

#13221 midgrid

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 19:23

The last two races have shown why Schumacher still deserves his place in F1. Looking forward to 2012 and a hopefully more competitive W03.

#13222 cheapracer

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 19:29

The last two races have shown why Schumacher still deserves his place in F1. Looking forward to 2012 and a hopefully more competitive W03.


Sad to say with the lack of testing these days it becomes a money game which ironically is the reason for no testing so I can't see much changing next year. Today was a gamble using the Benz power with little wing and seemingly MS's ability at high speed circuits and Spa but that's not going to happen every race and I think it will be back to struggling for inside the top 6 again shortly.


#13223 exmayol

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 19:30

Great drive by MS! Battle with LH was clearly the highlight of the race.

#13224 VresiBerba

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 19:42

For once, I agree with you. :lol:

You just had to edit out the stroke, I see. Big of you :up:

#13225 arknor

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 20:02

probably India.. long long long straight

but they lose more time in the corners than they make up on the straights anyway look at monza.. sometimes schumacher was 0.5-1 second faster in the first sector but lost more time than that in the other 2 sectors

#13226 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 20:11

I think we have to take whatever we get. I'd be very satisfied if MGP could keep the Monza-level for future races, but as Schumacher said, it's a matter of track suiting the car, rather than any sort of dramatic progress.

#13227 Massa_f1

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 20:12

We have not seen intense racing like that on the edge for while. It was good to see. I don't get what all the fuss is about bad driving. It good to watch. We have not seen a long battle like that in a while and thats cause we saw two drivers on edge fighting.

Anyone who complains at that needs to find a new sport to watch. It was the only entertaning thing all race.

I say hats off to both of them for good on edge racing.

Its a shame Schumacher is not in Webbers seat really. As much as i like Webber i think he is wasting that that Red Bull seat this year. Would love to see Schumacher and Vettel head to head in Red Bull


#13228 as65p

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 21:35

Well, at least I'm not big enough to admit when I'm wrong. And who are you to accuse people of patronising tones, have you ever written a post beyond 140 characters on this board that's not.

Thanks, Tor.


What can I say? Thanks for giving a another sterling example of you logical capabilities! :up: :drunk:

#13229 SeanValen

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Posted 11 September 2011 - 22:06

Schumacher and Hamilton at Monaco, Schumacher and Hamilton at Canada, and again at Monza.

I think this is the battle on track I wanted from Montoya and Schumacher alot, the only problem Montoya was not on a higher consistent level like Hamilton.

I remember fans going to that spain test in 2007 just to see Hamilton and Schumacher on track, I do think those two are capable of fireworks that would derail all other things on track like today at Monza, Schumacher enjoyed it, and deep down Hamilton never thought he would be having these chances to race with Michael. With the yellow helmet, it was as close as you'll get to seeing Senna and Schumacher go at it in todays f1 field. Hamilton is very precise, especially in qualifying, he's nothing like the personality of Senna, but he is a racer that Schumacher would like to compete with, and I think we've seen it on track many times. Both have pushed the boundaries and raced hard, and pissed other drivers off in the last 2 seasons, they are I think more win at all costs, Alonso is like that as well, but perhaps Alonso is more measured at ferrari given the attention on him for now, but even Alonso has lost in road rage in the past, the remaining clear nutters of the field must be Hamilton and Schuey.

Great stuff, this season has been the most consistent entertaining f1 season, even from races like Spain which people used to feel was boring, this f1 is reborn, and it's good to see Schumacher toast it off with his return no matter how long, we got a great bunch of drivers and iinteresting rules, good times.


Edited by SeanValen, 11 September 2011 - 22:14.


#13230 Tardis40

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 00:26

Hang on, I agree that Shumi was spectacular at Spa, but 'the driver of the race' at Monza? He started eighth, was gifted three positions when Petrov, Massa and Webber had collisions which promoted him to fifth. That position, given that his team-mate was also involved in a crash, was about the worst he could do, and he finished... fifth. It's not like anyone, least of all you I suspect, expected Alguersuari to finish ahead of Shumi, and that was his closest rival.


Michael wasn't gifted anything. He was already in fourth and way ahead of that collision when it happened. If Webber had been able to continue he might have caught back up, but that's about it.

MGP is the fourth place team. The package does not have the pace to compete with RBR, Ferrari, and McL. In a perfect race where everybody keeps there noses clean, the best Michael can expect to attain is P7.


#13231 Raelene

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 01:22

Tardis

Vresiberba has already admitted he didn't watch the replay before commenting (why he needede to watch a replay is strange - I saw it happen in real time)...but that's not the first time he/she has commented on something he/she hasn't seen....

#13232 black magic

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 02:52

guess he also missed michael having more than 1 look at alonso in those opening laps

great watching the old guy being able to match it over so many laps unlike most of his younger contemporaries.

#13233 cheapracer

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 03:00

great watching the old guy being able to match it over so many laps unlike most of his younger contemporaries.


Fair point there, a credit to his legendary fitness that he could concentrate lap after lap to keep his defense going, I'm sure Hamilton took something home from this.


#13234 jondoe955

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 03:41

Years ago, I once semi-facetiously posted that MS has done everything he could in F1. To remove all doubt of his dominance and ability, he should leave Ferrari and move to a good lower-level team. Here, he can help tune the car's characteristics and show off his driving skills. Instead, he retired. I didn't miss him. I never liked his bullying, blocking driving style. You had to respect his skills, like Dale Earnhart, but you didn't have to like him!
So now he is back, in a lower-level team that has the ability and cash to improve. I've enjoyed watching the car improve and move up thru the field. He's now become a serious points contender, and the old, dirty Michael is back. Blocking, pushing - the dick is back! He's always gotten his way in F1. ALWAYS. They change the rules, specs or tires for him. Now, I'm kinda sorry he's returned. (and I've never liked the Shummi Chop. I find it unsporting and dangerous. I guess I'm more into 'gentlemen' racing...)

#13235 baddog

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 03:50

I guess I'm more into 'gentlemen' racing..

That is one possible explanation yes.

#13236 Jomyboy

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:03

I guess I'm more into 'gentlemen' racing...)


Why does that sound so queer :)

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 04:15

:clap: :clap: :clap: :kiss: MICHAEL :kiss: :clap: :clap: :clap:

#13238 Craven Morehead

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:02

Michael was awesome today. Scrap of the day was btwn him and Hammi. Great fun, and (quite frankly) the very reason why I watch racing. :up:

#13239 404KF2

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:06

Yes it was good. Those Nancy-boy newbie drivers haven't had to deal with Schumacher when he's feeling racey, up to now.....

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#13240 packapoo

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:27

He certainly was racy today; great to see.
For all the hidden talent tho the Merc finished further back then it should've.

#13241 teejay

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:39

He certainly was racy today; great to see.
For all the hidden talent tho the Merc finished further back then it should've.


How so?

Once in clear air Lewis and co had no trouble dropping Michael at close to a second a lap.

#13242 KiloWatt

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 05:45

Schumacher just gave Hamilton exactly what he's been giving to the rest of the field. Frankly, he got what he deserved. Hamilton is ABSOLUTELY NOT one to complain and especially not his fans. If it'd been the other way around and he was defending, say, Vettel in a faster Red Bull behind him with similar means, they'd defend him to the hills. How can they expect Schumacher fans not to react the same way.

And come on, it was damn good racing. 2 years ago with the Bridgestones this would have been the battle of the season!

#13243 ivand911

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 06:13

How so?

Once in clear air Lewis and co had no trouble dropping Michael at close to a second a lap.

Ooh, how are we surprise that McLaren is superior car to MGP?? We didn't know that!! Thank you for sharing. But, this speed difference doesn't help him much for 20 laps or so? And what is the point for MS to push, he will need this engine again.
We just see how much DRS is killing the racing. You have two push to pass buttons - DRS and KERS. I miss the fights for every place.

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#13244 ali.unal

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 06:22

How so?

Once in clear air Lewis and co had no trouble dropping Michael at close to a second a lap.

Do you happen to know by any chance the difference between being racey and being competitive?

#13245 KiloWatt

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 06:26

Do you happen to know by any chance the difference between being racey and being competitive?


In fairness, I think he was responding to the comment that the W02 finished further back than it should have. Not the racey part.

#13246 teejay

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 06:27

Im not sure what your points are - but mine is that I most impressed with Michael today - took a car that cleary isnt a match on pure pace and managed to fight hard for an extended period of time.

I wasnt saying anything negative about it any shape or form

As per above - he was racey as hell, it was awesome. The car finished probably higher than it should have thanks to Webber and Massa

Edited by teejay, 12 September 2011 - 06:29.


#13247 ali.unal

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 06:29

Im not sure what your points are - but mine is that I most impressed with Michael today - took a car that cleary isnt a much on pure pace and managed to fight hard for an extended period of time.

I wasnt saying anything negative about it any shape or form

KiloWatt made it clear. I think I misunderstood. I thought you were referring the racey part.

Sorry for that :up:

I agree with your comment then.

#13248 Paco

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 07:25

I guess you're only as good as your last race :rotfl: Very little board noise about MS being slow.. should retire.. doesn't have it in him.. :rotfl:

I for one was glad he kept it clean and proved a lot of people wrong that it's time for him to hang up his helmet.

#13249 sharo

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 08:06

Taken from another forum

MS:
No I don´t think I´m finally coming good it´s just the car and team gave me the opportunity to fight closer to the front .In every other regard I´m like I am and I try to get the most out of what I have.The last two weekends the car was good enough for the position I ended up with simple as that .Of course I can judge situations very cool and measured just because of my long career and the many top guys I had the pleasure of driving with ...and i enjoy every moment having those fights .Obviously you are maximising your opportunities right to the edge, but you have to when your counterpart is Hamilton or Alonso and they do the same.



#13250 Dusty

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Posted 12 September 2011 - 09:04

I have to admit the Schumacher Hamilton battle was epic and really made the race in Monza yesterday. I'd loved to have been at the track to see those two glued together for something like 22 laps. Fantastic.