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#13751 engel

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 09:44

Sauber doesn't have an EBD, their car performs quite differently on corner entry/exit that pretty much any other around it in terms of laptimes. That catches people out, often.

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#13752 ArchangelX

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 09:46

There is one constant in these collisions... Michael Schumacher. Stop the preposterous accusations of a Sauber culture of brake testing, look at the driver who has spent almost two seasons crashing into other cars with regularity.

Schumacher is past it. But nobody in Mercedes or at the FIA has the balls to tell him. One swallow (Monza) does not a summer make.


I really have to laugh when I read stuff like this. He's out there, racing at ungodly speeds with people half his age, and he's only a few tenths of a second off in some parts, which can be attributed to the vehicle he's driving. It's racing, mistakes happen, sometimes they happen alot, sometimes not at all. But saying that Schumacher is past it is so unbelievably asinine.

Such a grandiose statement. He's just as fast as any of the top drivers out there...he's got quite awhile to go before he's "past it".

I love couch racers.

Edited by ArchangelX, 26 September 2011 - 09:47.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 09:58

I really have to laugh when I read stuff like this. He's out there, racing at ungodly speeds with people half his age, and he's only a few tenths of a second off in some parts, which can be attributed to the vehicle he's driving. It's racing, mistakes happen, sometimes they happen alot, sometimes not at all. But saying that Schumacher is past it is so unbelievably asinine.

Such a grandiose statement. He's just as fast as any of the top drivers out there...he's got quite awhile to go before he's "past it".

I love couch racers.


You admit yourself that he is off the pace and crashes a lot.

I wonder how bad he needs to be before you acknowledge that he is past it.

Couch fans eh?

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:01

You admit yourself that he is off the pace and crashes a lot.

I wonder how bad he needs to be before you acknowledge that he is past it.

Couch fans eh?


LOL...people like you are the reasons why I hate forums. You're telling me a guy that is consistently within the top 10 is past his prime? Jeez...end of discussion for me, enjoy your e-hate.

#13755 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:03

You admit yourself that he is off the pace and crashes a lot.


Off the pace in regards to whom?

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:05

Off the pace in regards to whom?


Rosberg, obviously.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:10

Rosberg, obviously.


ROFL...did you even look at the times? Do you pay attention to any of the race? Michael was consistently faster than Rosberg by the mid-pack of the race. I think right up to the accident, he was much, much faster than both Perez and Rosberg.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:10

Rosberg, obviously.


Care to bring some numbers into discussion?

For example in the last race they were close to equal in quali and Michael was miles faster in the race.

Which is the trend this season : Nico is faster in quali, Michael in race.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:15

ROFL...did you even look at the times? Do you pay attention to any of the race? Michael was consistently faster than Rosberg by the mid-pack of the race. I think right up to the accident, he was much, much faster than both Perez and Rosberg.


While running behind them you mean? And then crashing into Perez, which was Schumachers fault entirely.

The MS fans reel out this long list of excuses and justifications for how fast he was here and how fast he was there and how the team made a mistake and how other drivers got in his way. It's all nonsense. He is architect of his own successes and his own failures. He is consistently outpaced in qualifying by Rosberg, often starts well but slips back, and often ends up making contact with another driver.

The points don't lie.

Edited by sosidge, 26 September 2011 - 10:16.


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#13760 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:18

While running behind them you mean? And then crashing into Perez, which was Schumachers fault entirely.

The MS fans reel out this long list of excuses and justifications for how fast he was here and how fast he was there and how the team made a mistake and how other drivers got in his way. It's all nonsense. He is architect of his own successes and his own failures. He is consistently outpaced in qualifying by Rosberg, often starts well but slips back, and often ends up making contact with another driver.


So now reality is an excuse? He was miles faster but was hampered by a bad strategy. You dispute that?

And the last part is nonsense. His contacts were actually when he was at the back for various reasons not when he was fighting at the front.

Points don't lie : 10 points back with one more DNF. So tragic. If at Singapore Merc wouldn't have used an idiotic strategy to accommodate Rosberg he would have been in front.

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 September 2011 - 10:21.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:26

So now reality is an excuse? He was miles faster but was hampered by a bad strateg. ou dispute that?

And the last part is nonsense. His contacts were actually when he was at theback for various reasons not when he was fighting at the front.


This is a spectacular excuse. Being at the back does not justify hitting other cars.

If MS wants to fight at the front he needs to start doing a better job in the car. If he is as fast as you all like to believe he needs to start beating Rosberg on Saturday, and beating him again on the Sunday. No excuses.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:27

While running behind them you mean? And then crashing into Perez, which was Schumachers fault entirely.

The MS fans reel out this long list of excuses and justifications for how fast he was here and how fast he was there and how the team made a mistake and how other drivers got in his way. It's all nonsense. He is architect of his own successes and his own failures. He is consistently outpaced in qualifying by Rosberg, often starts well but slips back, and often ends up making contact with another driver.

The points don't lie.

yea which is why in the race hw was 1-2 secondas a lap fastet than rosberg and only kept behind rosberg because of the team making sure rosberg stayed in the front with the pitstop stratergies..

you are a blatant troll GTFO

Edited by arknor, 26 September 2011 - 10:30.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:29

This is a spectacular excuse. Being at the back does not justify hitting other cars.


What excuse? I just pointed out that your post was wrong.

He had plenty of fights at the front in the 4th best car.

And Michael being in the position to fight with Perez had nothing to do with him. It was a simple team cockup.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:40

The points don't lie.


Yep, you are right: Rosberg 62, Schumacher 52. That's pretty darn close. In other words Nico has scored 54 % of Mercedes points this year & Michael has scored 46%. These numbers are very similar to Jenson and Lewis who have contibuted 53% & 47 % respectively to Macca's overall tally. Yet I don't hear people crying out for Lewis' retirement.

I'd say he's doing pretty good for an old man who's well past it. Felipe Massa, Mark Webber, among other fine drivers would do well to put up similar percentages.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:40

yea which is why in the race hw was 1-2 secondas a lap fastet than rosberg and only kept behind rosberg because of the team making sure rosberg stayed in the front with the pitstop stratergies..

you are a blatant roll GTFO


More excuses. Michael needs to take results into his own hands. He needs to do a timed lap on Saturday to get in front of Rosberg on the grid. If he is fast in the race, he needs to put himself in front of Rosberg on the track, why should the team do it for him in the pits? The lead car gets the strategy pick.

And if he is fast, he needs to make those positions up without crashing into people. He was at fault for contact with Perez, he was at fault many times before.


#13766 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:45

More excuses. Michael needs to take results into his own hands. He needs to do a timed lap on Saturday to get in front of Rosberg on the grid. If he is fast in the race, he needs to put himself in front of Rosberg on the track, why should the team do it for him in the pits? The lead car gets the strategy pick.


They (team + Michael) decided that it was best to save a set for the race. But this strategy would have worked only if he wouldn't have needed to wait 1-2 laps on gone tires to pit (like it happened).

So the correct strategy would have been to pit Michael first and earlier on the first pitstop. This way neither driver would have been affected. And it probably wouldn't have changed track positions between the drivers. So they would still fight in on track but under similar conditions. Rosberg although being painfully slow was pampered by the team.

And this is a fact : Michael's race was screwed by the strategy. With a good strategy he could have ended 6th.

Edited by Diablobb81, 26 September 2011 - 10:47.


#13767 EdwardCullen

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:53

i think he would have finished 5th again behind Lewis..with his pace he could have overtaken Di resta easily.

#13768 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:56

stop feeding the monkeys guys

#13769 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 10:59

i think he would have finished 5th again behind Lewis..with his pace he could have overtaken Di resta easily.


Lewis finished 5th.

#13770 EdwardCullen

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 11:15

Lewis finished 5th.

oh sorry my mistake :blush: :lol:

#13771 arknor

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:02

Lewis finished 5th.

but without the safety car caused by michael would he?

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:16

stop feeding the monkeys guys


I don't know why every single one of you have the need to insult people who disagree with Schumi fans like that. Well, actually I do know... :lol: But I'm tired of reporting. :stoned:

#13773 sharo

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:22

I don't know why every single one of you have the need to insult people who disagree with Schumi fans like that. Well, actually I do know... :lol: But I'm tired of reporting. :stoned:

Very much doubt you actually know. Better say you think you know.
Otherwise you are just one of the gang going like a broken record "he should go, he should go".

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 12:28

While running behind them you mean? And then crashing into Perez, which was Schumachers fault entirely.

The MS fans reel out this long list of excuses and justifications for how fast he was here and how fast he was there and how the team made a mistake and how other drivers got in his way. It's all nonsense. He is architect of his own successes and his own failures. He is consistently outpaced in qualifying by Rosberg, often starts well but slips back, and often ends up making contact with another driver.

The points don't lie.

Yeah, Rosberg certainly had his number in the last race, and the one before, and the one before that ... :rolleyes:



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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:01

I don't know why every single one of you have the need to insult people who disagree with Schumi fans like that. Well, actually I do know... :lol: But I'm tired of reporting. :stoned:


Because of trolls like you, naturally. People that are rude, don't apply their brains and don't think twice before shooting their mouths off, accusing others of making things up.

You've been here a day and are already camping out on the Schumacher thread: what makes you think anyone takes you seriously? You don't run the thread and Schumacher isn't going to quit being quick and rubbing it in, you can wring your hands all you want and swear at the screen, only going to get yourself banned sooner or later, taking a couple of posters down with you I guess. Here's a hint: my ignore list is full of 20 or so Alonso-fanboys, and all bar a couple are banned from the forum. They all came in all guns blazing trolling on the MS and LH threads, nothing new here.


To the others: Schumacher has been quicker than his teammate for 2-3 races now, he's been quite strong all season long but it hadn't paid off until Spa. If I wanted to be unreasonable I could say if there's anyone that ought to retire it's Rosberg, for being slow, going backwards in the races, and impotent when it comes to the actual racing. Let's see some quality defending from him of the kind Schumacher displayed at Monza, for starters.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:04

Well done for Rosberg :)

I think that MS lost an opportunity, but that is racing....

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:04

Because of trolls like you, naturally. People that are rude, don't apply their brains and don't think twice before shooting their mouths off, accusing others of making things up.

You've been here a day and are already camping out on the Schumacher thread: what makes you think anyone takes you seriously? You don't run the thread and Schumacher isn't going to quit being quick and rubbing it in, you can wring your hands all you want and swear at the screen, only going to get yourself banned sooner or later, taking a couple of posters down with you I guess. Here's a hint: my ignore list is full of 20 or so Alonso-fanboys, and all bar a couple are banned from the forum. They all came in all guns blazing trolling on the MS and LH threads, nothing new here.


To the others: Schumacher has been quicker than his teammate for 2-3 races now, he's been quite strong all season long but it hadn't paid off until Spa. If I wanted to be unreasonable I could say if there's anyone that ought to retire it's Rosberg, for being slow, going backwards in the races, and impotent when it comes to the actual racing. Let's see some quality defending from him of the kind Schumacher displayed at Monza, for starters.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 13:53

Because of trolls like you, naturally. People that are rude, don't apply their brains and don't think twice before shooting their mouths off, accusing others of making things up.

You've been here a day and are already camping out on the Schumacher thread: what makes you think anyone takes you seriously? You don't run the thread and Schumacher isn't going to quit being quick and rubbing it in, you can wring your hands all you want and swear at the screen, only going to get yourself banned sooner or later, taking a couple of posters down with you I guess. Here's a hint: my ignore list is full of 20 or so Alonso-fanboys, and all bar a couple are banned from the forum. They all came in all guns blazing trolling on the MS and LH threads, nothing new here.


To the others: Schumacher has been quicker than his teammate for 2-3 races now, he's been quite strong all season long but it hadn't paid off until Spa. If I wanted to be unreasonable I could say if there's anyone that ought to retire it's Rosberg, for being slow, going backwards in the races, and impotent when it comes to the actual racing. Let's see some quality defending from him of the kind Schumacher displayed at Monza, for starters.


I only said Schumacher did something dangerous and that he was the one to be blame. Never used any kind of swearing or rude language.
If you think I'm wrong that's ok, but insulting over and over again it's not really fair. I guess as I'm right you guys need to rage and insult...

And sorry, this is not a support thread isn't it? YOU don't own this thread so people coming here to bring criticism upon Schumacher doesn't mean we are trolling.

So I'll keep on reporting so then it's up to the mods to decide or just allow you to do that. :)

Edited by Clay, 26 September 2011 - 14:10.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:23

Sauber doesn't have an EBD, their car performs quite differently on corner entry/exit that pretty much any other around it in terms of laptimes. That catches people out, often.

hmmm, didnt think of EBD.

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#13780 sharo

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:27

Calm down please. One may use the finest language and still be the perfect troll. Same applies with overdoing it with reports.
Have you read the whole thread? I doubt it very much.
But if you have, then you should know which people are here for trolling and who is for a civilized discussion. We are from different parts of the world, carrying different cultures, but it's easy to distinguish good intend from bad.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:30

hmmm, didnt think of EBD.

I also missed that fact and thought there may be something different in their engine/KERS management which results in greater braking effect when lifting.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:33

And sorry, this is not a support thread isn't it? YOU don't own this thread so people coming here to bring criticism upon Schumacher doesn't mean we are trolling.


If you look closely you'll notice it's not 'criticism upon Schumacher' that's the issue but being a dick (go back and read your first reply) and continually posting irrelevant nonsense about reporting other posters and taking the thread off-topic. You're not entitled to anything and you only reap what you sow, should've thought about that before posting.

Edited by BRK, 26 September 2011 - 14:34.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 14:55

BRK accusing other people of being a dick :drunk: The first one who went off-topic was just with your insults and bringing Alonso here (read your first reply to me).

Sorry, I won't feed you nor talk to you anymore. If I see something wrong, insults and provocative posts I'll report them and then ignore; if I have something to say about Schumacher no matter if it's negative I'll say it as I'm entitled to do. :wave:

Edited by Clay, 26 September 2011 - 14:56.


#13784 arknor

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 15:44

an admin should check for multiple accounts as im sure atleast one person on this page is one

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:00

an admin should check for multiple accounts as im sure atleast one person on this page is one


I think you're being a bit harsh there arknor, I think clay is being given too hard a time now.

If everyone calms down and reads what he said, then as far as I can tell he's said Schumi made a mistake in Singapore but ultimately it was a racing incident, and his pace isn't quite where Rosbergs is. He also said he doesn't think Schumi should retire.

There's plenty there for a fair debate which is what this thread is for, but I don't think he's been out of order at all, I think its all just got a bit heated and the meaning of the posts has been lost in all the accusations of trolling and reporting.

Chill guys :smoking:

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:03

Having had time to reflect on Sunday's race I don't know whether to be happy that Schumi was showing good pace, or dissapointed by the result.

Ultimately the crash was his fault in that he was the car behind, but I also class a crash where each driver expects the other to do something different as a 'racing incident'. I don't think Schumi did anything spectacularly stupid except be caught out by the speed differential of a slower car on wrecked tyres. He wasn't the first and won't be the last, especially with these Pirelli's.

Its frustrating though as I think a strong result was on the cards, but on to Japan and hopefully happier hunting.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:30

Having had time to reflect on Sunday's race I don't know whether to be happy that Schumi was showing good pace, or dissapointed by the result.

Ultimately the crash was his fault in that he was the car behind, but I also class a crash where each driver expects the other to do something different as a 'racing incident'. I don't think Schumi did anything spectacularly stupid except be caught out by the speed differential of a slower car on wrecked tyres. He wasn't the first and won't be the last, especially with these Pirelli's.

Its frustrating though as I think a strong result was on the cards, but on to Japan and hopefully happier hunting.



Apart from the frequent flyer stint Schumacher was much faster for the whole weekend than I expected.
It seems that not only the spark but some speed is getting back.
Suzuka will be fun.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:38

Having had time to reflect on Sunday's race I don't know whether to be happy that Schumi was showing good pace, or dissapointed by the result.

Ultimately the crash was his fault in that he was the car behind, but I also class a crash where each driver expects the other to do something different as a 'racing incident'. I don't think Schumi did anything spectacularly stupid except be caught out by the speed differential of a slower car on wrecked tyres. He wasn't the first and won't be the last, especially with these Pirelli's.

Its frustrating though as I think a strong result was on the cards, but on to Japan and hopefully happier hunting.


Well his pace was unexpectedly good on this kind of track. But still a big disappointment that he can't avoid stupid incidents.

Hopefully all the bad luck was left in Singapore and he'll have a brilliant race in Suzuka,

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:51

Schumi was having a good race till the point he triggered his own crash. But i do believe he is getting into the groove and showing good race pace. Quite amazing to think the guy is 41!! And on top of that been out of the sport for 3 years. Let's see if Mercedes can give him a car that would help him get some podiums next year.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 16:52

by all the unobjective criticism (if that´s the standard, then Hamilton and especially Massa and Webber must retire too), there were far too much incidents this year of course.
Without those he would be already easily ahead of NR in the standings.
he seems a bit hasty from time to time, there is not much to win this year but still it´s unnecessary

#13791 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:04

people forget that this year the amount of wheel to wheel racing is huge.
now you can really come through the field and you don't get stuck behind somebody that means that each race you have an insane amount of wheel to wheel fights if you come through the field.

how many passes has michael made this year? probably as many as in his whole career at ferrari. you get yourself in traffic and pass cars left and right, you have huge speed differential sometimes and such narrow window for tyres (you are flying now and 5 laps later your tyres can be toast) so they really have to push,.

mistakes will happen and there is nothing wrong with that. He got one error in judgement and flew over the sauber. his entire fault..but just that, one error...after how may passes at spa? and how many wheel to wheel moments at monza? statistic looks great if you think of that.

nico made 3 big errors yesterday....1st at the start, he chose to not take the corner and was lucky not to get a punishment or a car problem (just imagine the outrage if michael would have done that), he completely blew a corner on the marbles but luckily didn't hit anything and just moments later he hit the sidepod of a sauber without losing his fw not getting a penalty.

sometimes it works sometimes it doesn't....this is what is beautiful in racing and michael is a top racer even at 41...

how many times did he pass hamilton this season (not counting first corner starts)?! Monaco, 2 times at monza, once in singapore. could be more but honestly can't remember

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:15

He was 3 seconds off Schumacher's pace, I said had he been going any slower, he probably ought to have been disqualified and black flagged for being a mobile chicane hindering other drivers and dangerous driving. Like losing a wing and still continuing. Although it's fair enough that MS got a reprimand. As for the braking I guess you either didn't watch the race or missed the part post-race where Schumacher himself said Perez appeared to lift off too early.

Either that, or these days Teflonso fanboy pond **** are also blind and deaf, together with all the other stuff they've built up quite the reputation for.

So in your opinion, ALL the three new teams should be disqualified from racing ? And Renault at Singapore ?
How can you accuse Perez of dangerous driving, when Schumi was the one who caused the accident ? That's just a mental viewpoint. And shows a serious bias and lack of objectivity on your part. Perez may have braked a fraction of a second too early for the corner, but I hardly see how that qualifies as dangerous racing, unlike some of Schumi's antics over the last two years.
Schumi would say that Perez braked too early, wouldn't he ? This is the Same Schumi who denied turning deliberately into JV or parking his car in Monaco qualfying. He does have a track record of not telling the truth.

Perez did absolutely nothing wrong whatsoever. Doesn't a driver has a right to brake for a corner whenever he wants to. It was a silly place to be trailing the Sauber so closely, and I don't think that we didn't see any other cars do it during the race. Schumi knows that the Mercedes is quicker than the Sauber, and Perez had done 28 laps on the same tyres and just didn't have anywhere near the same levels of grip that Michael's tyres would have had.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:20

Schumacher expected Perez to take a wider line and was poised to zoom by him on the inside. Instead Perez went defensive.



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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:24

Prost speaking today above Schumacher & F1.

#13795 sharo

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:27

Yep, he shouldn't anticipate the other to do what he thinks is normal to do. Especially with new and unknown drivers.
I don't know whether he could avoid the contact had he been more alerted as the deceleration of the Sauber was significant, but nevertheless it helps.

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:30

Sergio Perez's lap times.
20 1:56.556
21 1:56.622
22 1:55.900
23 1:55.489
24 1:56.223
25 1:55.402
26 1:56.172
27 1:57.354
28 1:56.795
Michael Schumacher's lap times.
20 1:55.409 ms
21 1:55.744
22 1:55.889
23 1:57.083
24 P 2:04.926
25 2:13.383
26 1:53.096
27 1:54.080
28 1:54.496

While SP was certainly over 3 secs behind MS on lap 27, and 2.3 on lap 28, he was much closer to MS's times before MS came in for a stop, beating him on some laps. It's just disingenuous in the extreme and frankly just a prime example of fanboyism to suggest the Perez has no right on the track. Stupid bias in the extreme. Perez was there on merit and had every right to do so.

#13797 sharo

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:34

While SP was certainly over 3 secs behind MS on lap 27, and 2.3 on lap 28, he was much closer to MS's times before MS came in for a stop, beating him on some laps. It's just disingenuous in the extreme and frankly just a prime example of fanboyism to suggest the Perez has no right on the track. Stupid bias in the extreme. Perez was there on merit and had every right to do so.

I certainly didn't see many people supporting such view (to suggest the Perez has no right on the track). It's part of racing.

Edited by sharo, 26 September 2011 - 17:35.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:47

And this is a fact : Michael's race was screwed by the strategy. With a good strategy he could have ended 6th.

Um, sorry but this is not a fact. Michael's race might well have been hampered by bad strategy, but what screwed up his race was driving into the back of somebody else and retiring, I believe. That's the fact. Nobody can blame his team engineers for that. If he had just waited a little, he could have easily got past Perez at a more suitable point, and had another strong finish.
Regarding Michael's so called screwed strategy; I didn't follow his progress during the race, but the FIA lap chart seems to show that he was on exactly the same strategy as Nico. Nico pitted on laps 9 and 22, and MS on laps 10 and 24. is that correct ?

Edit, Sharo, it was BRK in the post that I quoted before. A stunning bit of fanboyism. I know that most people here are not like this.

Edited by Tsarwash, 26 September 2011 - 17:48.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:48

Sorry, I won't feed you nor talk to you anymore. If I see something wrong, insults and provocative posts I'll report them and then ignore; if I have something to say about Schumacher no matter if it's negative I'll say it as I'm entitled to do. :wave:


We are the ones that ought to refrain from feeding trolls and uninformed, ignorant posters that make arrogant posts without actually watching the race or listening to the post-race interviews...

The only dangerous move here today was Schumacher. The stewards blamed him by giving him a reprimand so unless you give me objetive data which proves that Perez brake earlier than he should, you are talking out of your arse...


...not the other way around. :lol: You're right, I should've put you on ignore instead of feeding a poster that's already notorious with a one-star rating in the space of 25 posts. Definitely ignoreworthy.


Schumi was having a good race till the point he triggered his own crash. But i do believe he is getting into the groove and showing good race pace. Quite amazing to think the guy is 41!! And on top of that been out of the sport for 3 years. Let's see if Mercedes can give him a car that would help him get some podiums next year.


He's 42, though.;)

So in your opinion, ALL the three new teams should be disqualified from racing ? And Renault at Singapore ?


I don't think there have been many instances this year when we've seen these new teams on the lead lap for the entire race.

Perez may have braked a fraction of a second too early for the corner, but I hardly see how that qualifies as dangerous racing, unlike some of Schumi's antics over the last two years.


That'd mean anyone on the grid could brake test and get away with it. Of course it's dangerous.

Later on in your post I see you've shifted from claiming Perez did nothing wrong to accusing Michael of lying, pick one. And I've no idea what Schumacher's presumed 'antics' have to do with Perez braking early for the corner, I hope you aren't suggesting it's okay to drive dangerously when the victim is Schumacher but not if it's someone else. Not quite the way rules work..

To Schumacher's credit, he never accused Perez of doing it deliberately, only that he thought it was a misunderstanding and dismissed it as racing, and later got a reprimand. That settles the matter for me, no point dragging it any further.


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Posted 26 September 2011 - 17:50

Schumi would say that Perez braked too early, wouldn't he ? This is the Same Schumi who denied turning deliberately into JV or parking his car in Monaco qualfying. He does have a track record of not telling the truth.


What exactly does this have to do with the incident at hand? If anyone is showing their bias it is you.

What Schumi actually said is that Perez lifted earlier than he expected and it was just a racing incident. At no point did he suggest anything underhand or out of the ordinary, just that he got caught out. These things happen. How you have leapt from that fairly bland and honest summary of his crash to lying about Jerez '97 says a lot about the bias you have bought to the discussion.