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#13851 Number62

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Posted 26 September 2011 - 21:01

Like i said in the other thread : 62-52 is fact. 9-5 in races and 12-2 in quali is not. It's an opinion.


Yeah actually, I can agree with that. It happens to be my opinion too but I respect you if it's not yours.


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#13852 BRK

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 10:00

You are one class act, I'll give you that. Calling people out, putting them on your big ol ignore list, calling people dicks, anyone that happens to disagree with your points and views. Buncha a trolls in your esteemed opinion. Do us all one big fat favor and get over yourself. Then again we probably won't have to tolerate you anymore once MS does retire as you'll take your blather elsewhere. I'm sure you'll have some sort of smart comeback for this........


It just hurts to have Schumacher back in F1, improving, putting in stellar performances like at Canada and Monza, doesn't it? Plus his fans just won't go away. I guess everyone has outright ignored your posts on this thread for a long time and you needed someone to talk to. Don't flatter yourself, though, you're hardly worth a smart comeback!

No worries, I won't hurt your feelings again, Schumacher's already done enough in his career to scar some people for a lifetime, why rub it in needlessly... :lol:

#13853 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 11:25

So science when it suits and prediction when it doesn't.

I predict MSC would have shot his Tyres and fallen off the cliff earlier than the others.


Based on what? Didn't he have an extra set compared to Nico?

#13854 EdwardCullen

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 11:29

Based on what? Didn't he have an extra set compared to Nico?

He has already answered that :well:

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 20:06

It just hurts to have Schumacher back in F1, improving, putting in stellar performances like at Canada and Monza, doesn't it? Plus his fans just won't go away. I guess everyone has outright ignored your posts on this thread for a long time and you needed someone to talk to. Don't flatter yourself, though, you're hardly worth a smart comeback!

No worries, I won't hurt your feelings again, Schumacher's already done enough in his career to scar some people for a lifetime, why rub it in needlessly... :lol:


Hurts? No, not in the least. Feelings hurt? Are you 12 years old? And, if I'm hardly worth a smart comeback, then why comeback at all? Could NOT resist could you? You see, I have no problem with Schumacher. Oh you may think that I do cause I've been able to wind you up so easily in the past. What I do have a problem with is people like you who at the slightest provocation are ready to jump down others' throats, a forum bully boy as it were. It may work with others, but not me. And please, don't flatter yourself. Your knowledge of the sport probably goes back at most 15 years or so....you're in a Schumacher comfort zone here......

#13856 puxanando

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 20:39

....you're in a Schumacher comfort zone here......

:rotfl: :up:

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 20:44

It just hurts to have Schumacher back in F1, improving, putting in stellar performances like at Canada and Monza, doesn't it? Plus his fans just won't go away. I guess everyone has outright ignored your posts on this thread for a long time and you needed someone to talk to. Don't flatter yourself, though, you're hardly worth a smart comeback!

No worries, I won't hurt your feelings again, Schumacher's already done enough in his career to scar some people for a lifetime, why rub it in needlessly... :lol:


:lol:

You're so right, all that pain seeing a driver I don't like coming back to F1 to drive in midfield and getting his a** handed every fortnight by a guy who hasn't won a single race to date. And then even more pain when once in a while he's making hilarious errors of judgement like last sunday. And finally fans like you all up in arms when he gets into Q3 or finishes in the top 10... it's all sooo painful. :drunk: :p

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 20:49

....you're in a Schumacher comfort zone here......

Have to say I laughed at that even if I don't quite understand what it means, just put the image in my head of being surrounded by Schumacher bean bags and wallpaper.

#13859 BRK

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:02

Hurts? No, not in the least. Feelings hurt? Are you 12 years old? And, if I'm hardly worth a smart comeback, then why comeback at all? Could NOT resist could you? You see, I have no problem with Schumacher. Oh you may think that I do cause I've been able to wind you up so easily in the past. What I do have a problem with is people like you who at the slightest provocation are ready to jump down others' throats, a forum bully boy as it were. It may work with others, but not me. And please, don't flatter yourself. Your knowledge of the sport probably goes back at most 15 years or so....you're in a Schumacher comfort zone here......


You've been one of the few people to admit you don't like Schumacher, there's no need to backtrack and play the no problem card now, really. Good to see you've admitted to trying to wind people up, I'm flattered myself. Followed all of Schumacher's career bar a few races here and there so that's a couple of decades, maybe. Can just about picture you wringing your hands in desperation at this thread and how the fans just won't go away, keep at it. :lol: :up:

And not to be very polite or anything, but I think you should probably shut up and talk about racing. Unless I'm mistaken and we're on a social networking site of some sort where people gather to talk about other users.

:lol:

You're so right, all that pain seeing a driver I don't like coming back to F1 to drive in midfield and getting his a** handed every fortnight by a guy who hasn't won a single race to date. And then even more pain when once in a while he's making hilarious errors of judgement like last sunday. And finally fans like you all up in arms when he gets into Q3 or finishes in the top 10... it's all sooo painful. :drunk: :p


Did you forget the thrashing MS handed out left, right and centre between 1991 and 2006? Or 94-06, in your particular case.  ;)

You're the widow that's mourned for 17 long years, AyrtonSenna65Poles, so why not have some fun while it lasts, I guess you've deserved it after all the pain, the agony and suffering. By the looks of it the tide's turning already, looking forward to reading the posts in here when MS scores his first win.

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#13860 spacekid

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:04

I said it before and I'll pointlessly say it again.

Its great to chat about F1 and have a fair debate about drivers performances. And its always nice when the people we admire do well. I love it when Schumi can show a bit of the old magic and take me back to the days when his driving was so thrilling to watch and be a part of.

I will never, never understand the mentality of people who take pleasure from others misfortune or poor performance. If thats all that makes you happy in the sport... its a shame.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:08

And not to be very polite or anything, but I think you should probably shut up and talk about racing. Unless I'm mistaken and we're on a social networking site of some sort where people gather to talk about other users.


Being told to shut up by the guy who calls people dicks cause they disagree with him is rather like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:14

You've been one of the few people to admit you don't like Schumacher, there's no need to backtrack and play the no problem card now, really.


What is this the BRK 'court of law'? Oops, I've said that I don't care for Schumacher and now I say I have no problem with him....nope i can't say THAT cause under the law I can have only one say and one say only and will be held to that forever and so on and so forth...... :rotfl:
You really are a funny guy......good stuff.

#13863 BRK

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:18

Being told to shut up by the guy who calls people dicks cause they disagree with him is rather like the pot calling the kettle black isn't it?


a) That doesn't even make sense, as far as comebacks go; b)You're free to read back over my posts, I think you'll find I called someone a dick for being arrogant and rude, not for disagreeing with me. I think I quite adequately covered the part where we (said poster and I) had our little disagreement before throwing the last bit in; c) again, none of this is even vaguely related to racing. If you can't talk about Schumacher or racing and just have to keep attacking posters PM me, ignore me, or get off the internet. It's fine for a while but really derails the thread.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:36

Did you forget the thrashing MS handed out left, right and centre between 1991 and 2006? Or 94-06, in your particular case. ;)

You're the widow that's mourned for 17 long years, AyrtonSenna65Poles, so why not have some fun while it lasts, I guess you've deserved it after all the pain, the agony and suffering. By the looks of it the tide's turning already, looking forward to reading the posts in here when MS scores his first win.


Pain, agony and suffering... yep I can easily see why such terms are prominent in your brain right now. :p You really deserve every minute of MS' comeback, long may it last! :D

#13865 zelpre

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:41

anyone can explain what happened to the thread?

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:45

:lol:

You're so right, all that pain seeing a driver I don't like coming back to F1 to drive in midfield and getting his a** handed every fortnight by a guy who hasn't won a single race to date. And then even more pain when once in a while he's making hilarious errors of judgement like last sunday. And finally fans like you all up in arms when he gets into Q3 or finishes in the top 10... it's all sooo painful. :drunk: :p


Well you can always watch one of the 91 wins or 68 pole positions. The pain will quickly go away.

Edited by Diablobb81, 27 September 2011 - 21:46.


#13867 spacekid

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 21:52

anyone can explain what happened to the thread?


Well basically some people on the thread enjoy watching an F1 driver who was once of the very highest calibre struggle now that he is merely good, and are gloating about it in a slightly nasty way, while others can't just ignore them and talk about racing. I keep coming on here hoping to enjoy talking about F1 and my favourite driver, but actually this really puts me off. I always come away from this place feeling a bit depressed.

And before I get the snarky comments of if you don't like it you don't have to come here, I'm very much aware of that fact. Believe me.

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 22:00

I said it before and I'll pointlessly say it again.

Its great to chat about F1 and have a fair debate about drivers performances. And its always nice when the people we admire do well. I love it when Schumi can show a bit of the old magic and take me back to the days when his driving was so thrilling to watch and be a part of.

I will never, never understand the mentality of people who take pleasure from others misfortune or poor performance. If thats all that makes you happy in the sport... its a shame.


Completely agree...it blows my mind how people just get all bent outta shape over drivers. Every driver out there has good and bad points...but it's amazing how people can hate someone so much for just being part of a sport they love. It's pretty stupid.

#13869 BRK

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 22:06

Pain, agony and suffering... yep I can easily see why such terms are prominent in your brain right now. :p You really deserve every minute of MS' comeback, long may it last! :D


Indeed, that is my hope, too. Some weren't so lucky and had their careers cut short, you never know what lies around the corner..

So yeah, I'm glad he's back and he's racing.

Truce....and to show i'm a good sport, the following 2 framed items reside on the walls in my studio.
The first an 11X14 taken by my father at the 2000 USGP when he was a part of the press corps and the 2nd courtesy of the Cahier archive with a Ferrari schedina tecnica signed by J. Todt and MS from the 2001 Italian GP. Oh, and me thinks I'll stick around for a bit......;)

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Good for you, and they're quite good, if I may say so. I'm sure someone that's this reasonable would also have been able to appreciate the immense talent that was Schumacher and his incredible achievements, despite all your dislike of the man. :)


Well basically some people on the thread enjoy watching an F1 driver who was once of the very highest calibre struggle now that he is merely good, and are gloating about it in a slightly nasty way, while others can't just ignore them and talk about racing. I keep coming on here hoping to enjoy talking about F1 and my favourite driver, but actually this really puts me off. I always come away from this place feeling a bit depressed.

And before I get the snarky comments of if you don't like it you don't have to come here, I'm very much aware of that fact. Believe me.


Sorry! Back on topic.

#13870 sharo

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 23:13

Unlike some previous, such off-topics would be welcomed, me thinks.

Edited by sharo, 27 September 2011 - 23:14.


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Posted 27 September 2011 - 23:32

On the subject of Schumacher, after doing some research and watching old races, I have have come to the belief that the 1997 Season was his best non-championship season; better than 1998 IMO.

And on the subject of Monaco, his 1997 victory in the wet is likely one of the greatest Monaco victories by him. It's probably a top 5 victory overall, did Senna win at Monaco in the wet?

With Schumacher Monaco GP wins ranking:.

1. 1997.
2. 1995.
3. 1999.
4. 2001.
5. 1994.

IMO, of course.

and Schumacher's finest Monaco Pole Lap has to be, of course, the 1996 Pole Lap. Right up there with Senna magic laps. But 1994 wins overall as the gap to second was 0.928, but 1996 in that Ferrari, was 0.510 to Williams. So I would take the '96 lap.

Edited by George Costanza, 27 September 2011 - 23:53.


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Posted 28 September 2011 - 10:42

And the driver who was my first, for lack of better word, racing hero.
If the internet had existed back then......



It occurs to me that drivers such as JC and Gilles (my childhood hero) were never subjected to even a fraction of the media coverage and pressure that drivers are today.

Although many of the drivers from previous generations are generally considered to be all round great guys (and trust me I wouldn't want to spoil that), who knows what undesirable personality traits would have been discovered were they scrutinised as they are today and every lap of every race analysed as it is. Maybe Gilles classic dice wih Arnoux would get him classed as a liability rather than hero - and let's face it, that dice could have ended in tears so many times - but how glorious it was.

Part of the reason that I like MS, is that despite the massive media scrutiny that he has had over 2 decades, and IMO two or maybe three questionable moves, everything else I see leads me to believe that he is a thoroughly decent and likeable bloke - as well as IMO, the best we have ever seen. As much as it sometimes pains me to see him struggling in an uncompetitive car, if he is enjoying it, then long may it continue. If, in his 40's he cannot improve upon his unbelievable records in a dog of a car - where's the surprise in that.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 11:29

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great driver, great car, great number, great colours. Love it :love:

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:22

On the subject of Schumacher, after doing some research and watching old races, I have have come to the belief that the 1997 Season was his best non-championship season; better than 1998 IMO.

And on the subject of Monaco, his 1997 victory in the wet is likely one of the greatest Monaco victories by him. It's probably a top 5 victory overall, did Senna win at Monaco in the wet?

With Schumacher Monaco GP wins ranking:.

1. 1997.
2. 1995.
3. 1999.
4. 2001.
5. 1994.

IMO, of course.

and Schumacher's finest Monaco Pole Lap has to be, of course, the 1996 Pole Lap. Right up there with Senna magic laps. But 1994 wins overall as the gap to second was 0.928, but 1996 in that Ferrari, was 0.510 to Williams. So I would take the '96 lap.



The 1997 victory of Monaco was incredible, i remember watching that one but i cant remember 1 thing, where did he spin? i remember there was a point when he spun or something and then got going again with zero damage, quite a wide part of the track as well, maybe it was casino? this i remember thinking at the time is amazing that he was so far ahead, and also so committed still to putting in the fast laps, not hitting anything with the spin is also fantastic

#13875 puxanando

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:27

All eyes on Schumacher......

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:30

Does anyone have a quick list to hand of Schumacher's racing incidents this season? (i.e. when he's hit/been hit by other drivers)

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:54

Does anyone have a quick list to hand of Schumacher's racing incidents this season? (i.e. when he's hit/been hit by other drivers)

Valencia and turkey hit by renult and lost front wing
Silverstone he hit Koba, lost front wing
Singapore hit Perez

#13878 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 13:00

he;s also been crashed out in australia at the start

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 16:33

he;s also been crashed out in australia at the start

Yeah forgot about that, wasn't he hit from behind by a Sauber at turn 3?

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 16:41

I think he was hit by alguersari.

#13881 arknor

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 18:05

Valencia and turkey hit by renult and lost front wing
Silverstone he hit Koba, lost front wing
Singapore hit Perez

didnt he have a lose wheel nut or something aswell and had to retire?

#13882 BRK

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 19:13

Someone randomly posted this on Facebook, old video of MS and DC from the pre-race buildup at Canada this season:

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 19:42

And the driver who was my first, for lack of better word, racing hero.
If the internet had existed back then.......

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I was maybe 5 feet away when my dad took this photo. 1967 USGP.
Jim Clark was a class act. Off topic I know, but I thought I'd share anyhow......

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Jimmy out classed every other driver of his time and left a vacuum when died but in contrast to Schumacher a driver that won only words of genuine praise from other drivers on the grid.

#13884 EdwardCullen

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 20:01

Someone randomly posted this on Facebook, old video of MS and DC from the pre-race buildup at Canada this season:

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thank you :clap:

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 20:06

Jimmy out classed every other driver of his time and left a vacuum when died but in contrast to Schumacher a driver that won only words of genuine praise from other drivers on the grid.


Mr. Clark's life is perhaps off OT for this thread, isn't it?

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 21:43

They feel it is necessary.. they have to cling to a long dead 'gentleman driver' in order to prop up their dislike of the cheeky German, who's real crime is being too good. Anyone they bring up who is more recent doesn't look so damned gentlemanly, and makes their criticisms look not so noble..

#13887 spacekid

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 22:48

So now the trolls are using Jim Clark to bash Schumi. Low. Why not focus on the racing and driving BT, because it isn't a fun way to wind people up?

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 23:16

So how does everyone see Schumacher's race going in Suzuka? Last year he was pretty strong there, dueling (not exactly sure some will consider it the right word) with Rosberg for a few laps before one of the latter's rear wheels came off. Are his recent drives at 'classic' tracks such as Spa and Monza a preview of what's to come on another 'classic' track such as Suzuka? Or is the general consensus that his race there is going to be more like his run at Singapore?

I personally feel that Suzuka will be one of Schumacher's strongest opportunities to deliver a good result this season. It's a track that seems to suit his style and I'm sure he'll be aiming to do well there.

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 23:24

He was driving just as well at Singapore as at Monza and Spa. he hasnt had bad race pace for half a season. Suzuka should be enjoyable!

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:04

So how does everyone see Schumacher's race going in Suzuka? Last year he was pretty strong there, dueling (not exactly sure some will consider it the right word) with Rosberg for a few laps before one of the latter's rear wheels came off. Are his recent drives at 'classic' tracks such as Spa and Monza a preview of what's to come on another 'classic' track such as Suzuka? Or is the general consensus that his race there is going to be more like his run at Singapore?

I personally feel that Suzuka will be one of Schumacher's strongest opportunities to deliver a good result this season. It's a track that seems to suit his style and I'm sure he'll be aiming to do well there.

Was a shame at Suzuka '10, MGP pitted Schumacher when he was putting in scorching laptimes just in time to make sure he wasn't able to jump Rosberg. Remember, after Rosberg retired Schueys laptimes fell by well over a second ,he was flying. He couldn't pass Rosberg due to a big tailwind on the start straight which had them both bouncing off the limiter for most of the straight, plus it has to be said some hard but fair defending from Nico. In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.

#13891 Sakae

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:41

Alonso, Webber, and two McLarens will seek redemption. Michael will be happy to finish the race without someone complaining. :D

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:46

In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.

Fully agree. He is anonymous unless Michael is near.....

#13893 Umpire

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 06:49

The 1997 victory of Monaco was incredible, i remember watching that one but i cant remember 1 thing, where did he spin? i remember there was a point when he spun or something and then got going again with zero damage, quite a wide part of the track as well, maybe it was casino? this i remember thinking at the time is amazing that he was so far ahead, and also so committed still to putting in the fast laps, not hitting anything with the spin is also fantastic


To the best of my recollection it was at the run-off area of the first corner (Ste Devote). I think he went straight into the run-off and then spun the car around in order to rejoin the track.

#13894 pUs

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 07:57

In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.


This has crossed my mind as well on more than one occasion.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:18

Michael driving very good, is making his threads very dull.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:21

Alonso, Webber, and two McLarens will seek redemption. Michael will be happy to finish the race without someone complaining. :D



I know it's a dream but I would love to see him finish the race ahead of all those...

Would not be nice to see Vettel & Schumi together on the podium? And where a better place than Suzuka?

Edited by Jordana, 29 September 2011 - 12:21.


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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:07

Nico. In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.


Fully agree. He is anonymous unless Michael is near.....


This has crossed my mind as well on more than one occasion.


You guys all missed Spa then?


#13898 puxanando

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:26

Would not be nice to see Vettel & Schumi together on the podium?


:lol: No, would not....would be a big "GAU" for all F1 fans who aren't Vettel or Schumi suporter & have to see the race on RTL!


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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:27

I think the last race showed everyone that it would be quite good to not always get the short straw in terms of pit strategy due to qualifying behind your teammate. Last year's race also reminded of that, so let's hope for a spectacular, accident-free showing.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:57

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!