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#13851 sharo

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 23:13

Unlike some previous, such off-topics would be welcomed, me thinks.

Edited by sharo, 27 September 2011 - 23:14.


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#13852 George Costanza

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Posted 27 September 2011 - 23:32

On the subject of Schumacher, after doing some research and watching old races, I have have come to the belief that the 1997 Season was his best non-championship season; better than 1998 IMO.

And on the subject of Monaco, his 1997 victory in the wet is likely one of the greatest Monaco victories by him. It's probably a top 5 victory overall, did Senna win at Monaco in the wet?

With Schumacher Monaco GP wins ranking:.

1. 1997.
2. 1995.
3. 1999.
4. 2001.
5. 1994.

IMO, of course.

and Schumacher's finest Monaco Pole Lap has to be, of course, the 1996 Pole Lap. Right up there with Senna magic laps. But 1994 wins overall as the gap to second was 0.928, but 1996 in that Ferrari, was 0.510 to Williams. So I would take the '96 lap.

Edited by George Costanza, 27 September 2011 - 23:53.


#13853 DS27

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 10:42

And the driver who was my first, for lack of better word, racing hero.
If the internet had existed back then......



It occurs to me that drivers such as JC and Gilles (my childhood hero) were never subjected to even a fraction of the media coverage and pressure that drivers are today.

Although many of the drivers from previous generations are generally considered to be all round great guys (and trust me I wouldn't want to spoil that), who knows what undesirable personality traits would have been discovered were they scrutinised as they are today and every lap of every race analysed as it is. Maybe Gilles classic dice wih Arnoux would get him classed as a liability rather than hero - and let's face it, that dice could have ended in tears so many times - but how glorious it was.

Part of the reason that I like MS, is that despite the massive media scrutiny that he has had over 2 decades, and IMO two or maybe three questionable moves, everything else I see leads me to believe that he is a thoroughly decent and likeable bloke - as well as IMO, the best we have ever seen. As much as it sometimes pains me to see him struggling in an uncompetitive car, if he is enjoying it, then long may it continue. If, in his 40's he cannot improve upon his unbelievable records in a dog of a car - where's the surprise in that.

#13854 Boing 2

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 11:29

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great driver, great car, great number, great colours. Love it :love:

#13855 Hacklerf

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:22

On the subject of Schumacher, after doing some research and watching old races, I have have come to the belief that the 1997 Season was his best non-championship season; better than 1998 IMO.

And on the subject of Monaco, his 1997 victory in the wet is likely one of the greatest Monaco victories by him. It's probably a top 5 victory overall, did Senna win at Monaco in the wet?

With Schumacher Monaco GP wins ranking:.

1. 1997.
2. 1995.
3. 1999.
4. 2001.
5. 1994.

IMO, of course.

and Schumacher's finest Monaco Pole Lap has to be, of course, the 1996 Pole Lap. Right up there with Senna magic laps. But 1994 wins overall as the gap to second was 0.928, but 1996 in that Ferrari, was 0.510 to Williams. So I would take the '96 lap.



The 1997 victory of Monaco was incredible, i remember watching that one but i cant remember 1 thing, where did he spin? i remember there was a point when he spun or something and then got going again with zero damage, quite a wide part of the track as well, maybe it was casino? this i remember thinking at the time is amazing that he was so far ahead, and also so committed still to putting in the fast laps, not hitting anything with the spin is also fantastic

#13856 puxanando

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:27

All eyes on Schumacher......

#13857 Paul Prost

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:30

Does anyone have a quick list to hand of Schumacher's racing incidents this season? (i.e. when he's hit/been hit by other drivers)

#13858 EdwardCullen

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 12:54

Does anyone have a quick list to hand of Schumacher's racing incidents this season? (i.e. when he's hit/been hit by other drivers)

Valencia and turkey hit by renult and lost front wing
Silverstone he hit Koba, lost front wing
Singapore hit Perez

#13859 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 13:00

he;s also been crashed out in australia at the start

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#13860 EdwardCullen

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 16:33

he;s also been crashed out in australia at the start

Yeah forgot about that, wasn't he hit from behind by a Sauber at turn 3?

#13861 chrisaix

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 16:41

I think he was hit by alguersari.

#13862 arknor

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 18:05

Valencia and turkey hit by renult and lost front wing
Silverstone he hit Koba, lost front wing
Singapore hit Perez

didnt he have a lose wheel nut or something aswell and had to retire?

#13863 BRK

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 19:13

Someone randomly posted this on Facebook, old video of MS and DC from the pre-race buildup at Canada this season:

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#13864 britishtrident

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 19:42

And the driver who was my first, for lack of better word, racing hero.
If the internet had existed back then.......

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I was maybe 5 feet away when my dad took this photo. 1967 USGP.
Jim Clark was a class act. Off topic I know, but I thought I'd share anyhow......

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Jimmy out classed every other driver of his time and left a vacuum when died but in contrast to Schumacher a driver that won only words of genuine praise from other drivers on the grid.

#13865 EdwardCullen

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 20:01

Someone randomly posted this on Facebook, old video of MS and DC from the pre-race buildup at Canada this season:

Clicky

thank you :clap:

#13866 Sakae

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 20:06

Jimmy out classed every other driver of his time and left a vacuum when died but in contrast to Schumacher a driver that won only words of genuine praise from other drivers on the grid.


Mr. Clark's life is perhaps off OT for this thread, isn't it?

#13867 baddog

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 21:43

They feel it is necessary.. they have to cling to a long dead 'gentleman driver' in order to prop up their dislike of the cheeky German, who's real crime is being too good. Anyone they bring up who is more recent doesn't look so damned gentlemanly, and makes their criticisms look not so noble..

#13868 spacekid

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 22:48

So now the trolls are using Jim Clark to bash Schumi. Low. Why not focus on the racing and driving BT, because it isn't a fun way to wind people up?

#13869 Afterburner

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 23:16

So how does everyone see Schumacher's race going in Suzuka? Last year he was pretty strong there, dueling (not exactly sure some will consider it the right word) with Rosberg for a few laps before one of the latter's rear wheels came off. Are his recent drives at 'classic' tracks such as Spa and Monza a preview of what's to come on another 'classic' track such as Suzuka? Or is the general consensus that his race there is going to be more like his run at Singapore?

I personally feel that Suzuka will be one of Schumacher's strongest opportunities to deliver a good result this season. It's a track that seems to suit his style and I'm sure he'll be aiming to do well there.

#13870 baddog

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Posted 28 September 2011 - 23:24

He was driving just as well at Singapore as at Monza and Spa. he hasnt had bad race pace for half a season. Suzuka should be enjoyable!

#13871 dav115

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:04

So how does everyone see Schumacher's race going in Suzuka? Last year he was pretty strong there, dueling (not exactly sure some will consider it the right word) with Rosberg for a few laps before one of the latter's rear wheels came off. Are his recent drives at 'classic' tracks such as Spa and Monza a preview of what's to come on another 'classic' track such as Suzuka? Or is the general consensus that his race there is going to be more like his run at Singapore?

I personally feel that Suzuka will be one of Schumacher's strongest opportunities to deliver a good result this season. It's a track that seems to suit his style and I'm sure he'll be aiming to do well there.

Was a shame at Suzuka '10, MGP pitted Schumacher when he was putting in scorching laptimes just in time to make sure he wasn't able to jump Rosberg. Remember, after Rosberg retired Schueys laptimes fell by well over a second ,he was flying. He couldn't pass Rosberg due to a big tailwind on the start straight which had them both bouncing off the limiter for most of the straight, plus it has to be said some hard but fair defending from Nico. In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.

#13872 Sakae

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:41

Alonso, Webber, and two McLarens will seek redemption. Michael will be happy to finish the race without someone complaining. :D

#13873 Woody3says

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 00:46

In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.

Fully agree. He is anonymous unless Michael is near.....

#13874 Umpire

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 06:49

The 1997 victory of Monaco was incredible, i remember watching that one but i cant remember 1 thing, where did he spin? i remember there was a point when he spun or something and then got going again with zero damage, quite a wide part of the track as well, maybe it was casino? this i remember thinking at the time is amazing that he was so far ahead, and also so committed still to putting in the fast laps, not hitting anything with the spin is also fantastic


To the best of my recollection it was at the run-off area of the first corner (Ste Devote). I think he went straight into the run-off and then spun the car around in order to rejoin the track.

#13875 pUs

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 07:57

In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.


This has crossed my mind as well on more than one occasion.

#13876 ivand911

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:18

Michael driving very good, is making his threads very dull.

#13877 Jordana

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 12:21

Alonso, Webber, and two McLarens will seek redemption. Michael will be happy to finish the race without someone complaining. :D



I know it's a dream but I would love to see him finish the race ahead of all those...

Would not be nice to see Vettel & Schumi together on the podium? And where a better place than Suzuka?

Edited by Jordana, 29 September 2011 - 12:21.


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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:07

Nico. In fact, the only time I've seen Rosberg racey has been when battling with Michael.


Fully agree. He is anonymous unless Michael is near.....


This has crossed my mind as well on more than one occasion.


You guys all missed Spa then?


#13879 puxanando

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:26

Would not be nice to see Vettel & Schumi together on the podium?


:lol: No, would not....would be a big "GAU" for all F1 fans who aren't Vettel or Schumi suporter & have to see the race on RTL!


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#13880 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:27

I think the last race showed everyone that it would be quite good to not always get the short straw in terms of pit strategy due to qualifying behind your teammate. Last year's race also reminded of that, so let's hope for a spectacular, accident-free showing.

#13881 zelpre

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:57

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!

#13882 Spa95

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 13:59

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

http://img593.images...eventrating.png

Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!

:up:

Edited by Spa95, 29 September 2011 - 13:59.


#13883 FlashMaster

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 14:00

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

http://img593.images...eventrating.png

Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!


English bias, 7 WDC. Lots of pain. :down:


#13884 sharo

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 14:01

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!

Not surprised at all.

#13885 Jordana

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 14:02

:lol: No, would not....would be a big "GAU" for all F1 fans who aren't Vettel or Schumi suporter & have to see the race on RTL!


You are mean... :mad: :lol:



#13886 Diablobb81

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 15:16

Also the part about Di Resta is wrong. Safety car actually impeded Sutil to jump Nico too.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 15:54

Also the part about Di Resta is wrong. Safety car actually impeded Sutil to jump Nico too.


They're just idiots. How did safety car actually helped Di Resta compared to Nico?
They both pitted in lap 29, they both had fresh prime tyres on after SC and they both had to complete 31 laps on that set of tyres. And Di Resta was just faster.
In previous stint Rosberg pitted 2 laps after Di Resta. Nico just didn't show good performance, that's all.

http://en.mclarenf-1...h...ul di Resta

Edited by zelpre, 29 September 2011 - 16:14.


#13888 Sakae

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 16:44

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!

Who said that Autosport contributors are journalists? I always thought of them as cheerleaders and PR people who know how to twist and spin words either to elevate, or denigrate a person. :D

#13889 cheapracer

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 16:46

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???


Yeah how about it Mods, this is the Autosport forums so how about directing the author of that woefully inaccurate bullshit here to explain themselves .....

http://en.mclarenf-1.....el Schumacher

Would not be nice to see Vettel & Schumi together on the podium? And where a better place than Suzuka?


Ummm, just a thought, Germany ...... ?


Michael driving very good, is making his threads very dull.


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#13890 merschu

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 19:24

Just saw Edd Straw's twitter profile. Somebody asked him about this rating of Singapore for Michael & Nico and pointing out the statement that " M.S didn't quite show Rosberg's pace"! To which he said this

http://twitter.com/#!/eddstrawF1

Edd Straw: I'd argue that in Singapore Schuey's pace wasn't quite as good as Nico's in the phase before Nico's tyres went off (early).

If you consult the pre-Singapore Autosport issue you will see a detailed article in which I point out Schuey's strong performance.

And how he is now arguably faster than Nico on race pace. Hardly trying to come up with excuses for Nico.



#13891 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 19:53

well that's kind of a strange way to compare.
his tyres went off early but that can be one of the reasons he had a couple of good laps in the first place....


#13892 Lelouch

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 20:25

Another example showing that some journalists are just trolls with a professional license.. GTFO seriously

#13893 zelpre

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 20:49

Edd Straw: I'd argue that in Singapore Schuey's pace wasn't quite as good as Nico's in the phase before Nico's tyres went off (early).


LOL LOL LOL. they have the same car and they had the same tyres, it's his problem if he doesn't know how to race AND look after the tyres. That's part of F1. What kind of excuse is that?

If you consult the pre-Singapore Autosport issue you will see a detailed article in which I point out Schuey's strong performance.


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Oh really? Where's Turkey? All people just saw a 12th place, but if you look at the lap times, Michael had better pace and even with one set of tyres less!
Where's Malaysia GP? 25 seconds behind Michael or more?
Where's Monaco?
They say the data disregards non-comparable stints, how's then 3rd stint in Belgian GP comparable? Seriously are they stupid that much? Or they hate Michael even more as they are stupid? Wasn't Michael fighting from the back of the field? 3rd stint was stint after a safety-car from lap 17 to la 29. Michael had lots of traffic. This aren't magazines really, this are bullshit-kid comics.
Michael has been faster in race pace for most of the season. Rosberg was faster just in China and Valencia.

And how he is now arguably faster than Nico on race pace. Hardly trying to come up with excuses for Nico


Sure for Nico there can be excuses, but for Michael it's always "he's to old he should retire."

Oh how much I hate people like that, who can't analyze races in details and then they call theirselves as journalists. Yeah sure, GTFO.

Edited by zelpre, 29 September 2011 - 21:00.


#13894 Woody3says

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 21:03

You guys all missed Spa then?

I'm sorry, you mean the same Spa race where grandpa set yet another record? Britany may have had his Wheaties that morning, but one race does not change the fact he has been limp wristed with the rest of the grid this year.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 21:17

Can't believe what Autosport journalists wrote for their magazine again.

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Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace???

Yeah sure the pace wasn't comparable, because Michael was 1.5 seconds faster idiots!

They really should be made to explain themselves; they're 'supposed' to be experienced, well-paid professionals, but this Ray Charles impersonating, half-witted, Britney lover is apparenty getting paid to spew out a great pat of arse gravy that suggests either a) he didn't watch the race, b) he is a sub-moron, or c) he has a massive issue with MS.

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 21:31

To think that only some posts ago someone called this thread dull! :drunk:

Really, on one hand complaints galore about how much MS is allegedly hated by people, but then an the same time so much vitriol against that journo for getting one half-sentence wrong? Apart from "Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace" which is obviously wrong, the rest of the text describes MS race accurately enough, or not?

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 21:37

To think that only some posts ago someone called this thread dull! :drunk:

Really, on one hand complaints galore about how much MS is allegedly hated by people, but then an the same time so much vitriol against that journo for getting one half-sentence wrong? Apart from "Didn't quite show Rosberg's pace" which is obviously wrong, the rest of the text describes MS race accurately enough, or not?

That's dandy, except the one little bit he got wrong is a rather important bit, like THE MOST IMPORTANT bit. As you say, it was very obviously wrong, which begs the question, hw could anyone possibly get that wrong? :confused: :eek:

#13898 as65p

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 21:59

That's dandy, except the one little bit he got wrong is a rather important bit, like THE MOST IMPORTANT bit. As you say, it was very obviously wrong, which begs the question, hw could anyone possibly get that wrong? :confused: :eek:


Sure, not defending that lapse in the slightest, just don't see how it's the end of the world. It's not as if what one anonymous journalist writes would make a difference to what really happened.

#13899 Woody3says

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Posted 29 September 2011 - 22:21

Sure, not defending that lapse in the slightest, just don't see how it's the end of the world. It's not as if what one anonymous journalist writes would make a difference to what really happened.

That would be right if it wasn't for the fact that the casual fan is dubiously swayed by what these so called journos write.

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#13900 cheapracer

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Posted 30 September 2011 - 04:07

Sure, not defending that lapse in the slightest, just don't see how it's the end of the world. It's not as if what one anonymous journalist writes would make a difference to what really happened.


Sometimes from the other side of the fence one can throw a bit of hurt, a bit of sarcasm, some cynical comment or even truth and other times one should just be smart, side step and look for another hole in the fence.