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#14001 Sof1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:36

KK did only one sector time on his out lap and then dove into the pits again.

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#14002 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:37

No way , he didn't set the time. He did only one lap. What bug?

but he started a hot lap, whereas Michael couldn't. According to the rules, the driver who started his hot lap will be in front of those who didn't. Apparantly Kobayashi will take the 7th spot.

#14003 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:37

No way , he didn't set the time. He did only one lap. What bug?


I think the order is correct, all of them went out but none completed a lap.

#14004 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:38

From the Qualifying thread:

b) If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q1, Q2 or Q3 they will be arranged in the following order :
i) any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap ;
ii) any driver who failed to start a flying lap ;
iii) any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.

#14005 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:39

What bug? Kobayashi didn't set a lap, same as the other three. He wouldn't move up the order. Or shouldn't at least, it's down to car numbers and both MS and the two Renaults are ahead of the Sauber.


KK just did an outlap ? I thought he did a timed lap crossing the start/finish line in the box

#14006 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:39

Michael did two laps(he pit before finishing second lap). Koba one and Senna and Petrov also one?

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 06:40.


#14007 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:46

KK just did an outlap ? I thought he did a timed lap crossing the start/finish line in the box


Well Sauber apparently think they aren't 100% sure about MS, I thought MS started a flying lap as well?

BTW did anyone actually catch what happened with the MS-LH-MW incident? Schumacher had to take to the grass to get past the McLaren?

Edit: (from the qualifying thread)

0724: Just seen another replay of what happened with Lewis. He was cruising along with his head in the clouds when Webber nipped past on the inside, before Schumacher was forced to cut the corner to go past him on the left. As a result, Webber managed to post a lap but Lewis and Schuey were beaten by the clock.

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/9609604.stm


:well:

Edited by BRK, 08 October 2011 - 06:48.


#14008 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:49

BTW did anyone actually catch what happened with the MS-LH-MW incident? Schumacher had to take to the grass to get past the McLaren?

To visualize it, just think of Belgium 2000 with Zonta being Hamilton, Schumacher being Schumacher and Webber being Hakkinen at the last chicane. Hamilton slowed glaciously while Webber dived down the inside of him whereas Schumacher tried to overtake him from the outside and had to cut the chicane, meanwhile Hamilton was just watching the scene as if he didn't realize what the heck they were doing!

#14009 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:52

To visualize it, just think of Belgium 2000 with Zonta being Hamilton, Schumacher being Schumacher and Webber being Hakkinen at the last chicane. Hamilton slowed glaciously while Webber dived down the inside of him whereas Schumacher tried to overtake him from the outside and had to cut the chicane, meanwhile Hamilton was just watching the scene as if he didn't realize what the heck they were doing!


Yeah, there were no replays of the incident here so didn't know what had happened exactly. Not a huge loss I guess but that effectively ruined Schumacher's qualifying + first stint tomorrow, with the used softs.

#14010 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:54

Schumacher did insist his tyres were ok.

#14011 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:56

I think it wouldn't have made a big difference at all. He couldn't have don any better from 7th place on the grid. And his tyres should be OK. Must be a thrilling race.

#14012 Raelene

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:00

“It was a bit stupid, at the last chicane everybody was driving so slow. I saw my time and knew I had to go quicker – but I didn’t make it by a second.

“I had Webber in front; he had to slow down because Hamilton slowed down, but I don’t know what he had to slow down for. He pushed me out onto the grass (run-off area). But we are getting the maximum out of the car, so I’m happy.”


#14013 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:02

MS now has a good chance to catch NR in Korea next week

#14014 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:02

MS now has a good chance to catch NR in Korea next week


Still a long way to go, consistency is key.

#14015 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:03

Plus all that dirt and muck from having to avoid sleeping Lewis....


they will have been cleaned up on the in-lap and on tomorrows installation lap.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:08

they will have been cleaned up on the in-lap and on tomorrows installation lap.

They will clean them in the box, but I am sure he have another lap(after the incident) and clean them on the track already.
Anyone have video from the incident?

PeterDWindsor: The Pirelli options generally seem to last for about 12 laps - 8 in the case of MGP and 14 in the case of RBR #f1

Ups, hope he is not right!

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 07:11.


#14017 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:10

I'm sure MS will get past Webber and maybe even Massa in 4th. But Webber will re-pass once DRS is enabled. So best we can hope is to fight for 6th with Massa.

#14018 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:41

post quali interview with MS [german]



MS says that the positive trend of the last 3 races is down to some changes they made ... I wonder what that might be

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:42

If he passes Koba fast, it's ok. Otherwise it might kill his race

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#14020 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:44

If he passes Koba fast, it's ok. Otherwise it might kill his race


I agree, what a difference a spot makes. He could have passed both Webber and Massa if he had started 7th. Now he HAS to get past Kobayashi and we all know how he drives, especially now in front of his home fans!

#14021 Sof1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:46

If Koba is on hards, as per his last lap, then it would be easy to overtake him at start.

#14022 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:46

can Kobayashi choose tyres, or will he start on primes ?

#14023 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:48

Don't know. It's become a real mess with this tire saving and rules I see quoted for the first time.

Edited by sharo, 08 October 2011 - 07:48.


#14024 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:50

If Koba is on hards, as per his last lap, then it would be easy to overtake him at start.


He can choose his tyres as he did not complete a flying/timed lap. He's classified as not having set a time, so free to choose his tyres :-( Hope MS gets past him at the start.

#14025 Sof1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:51

Don't know. It's become a real mess with this tire saving and rules I see quoted for the first time.



Yeah i don't like this tyre saving/rules thing too. We are not seeing a lot of running in Q3 anymore. It has become boring.

#14026 Unbiased

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:52

Kobayashi can choose his tyres because he did not set a laptime, his fastest was on the softs in Q2.

And judging by Schumacher's starts, he will whizz by 3 cars in the first lap anyway. Though Kobayashi has great starts most times too, equal to Schumacher.

#14027 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:55

The only thing I wish is to stay out of trouble at the start. Because Koba seems to be too overhyped.

#14028 Unbiased

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:58

Anyone who says Kobayashi is overhyped is not looking closely to what he is doing ;)

It is not so easy to impress in a shitty car and he beat Schumacher in that shitty car a few times.

#14029 cheapracer

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:04

Koba is going down in first lap. MS will pass him.


Koba will be a danger to himself and everyone on the track for the first few laps from the excitement and wanting to show well at home, 50% chance he won't see the first lap completed which means he will probably take someone with him - hope it doesn't happen and hope it's not MS, don't forget Koba's 1st and 2nd sector times are darn fast.


#14030 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:08

Koba will be a danger to himself and everyone on the track for the first few laps from the excitement and wanting to show well at home, 50% chance he won't see the first lap completed which means he will probably take someone with him - hope it doesn't happen and hope it's not MS, don't forget Koba's 1st and 2nd sector times are darn fast.


yes, but MS is very quick in the last sector where most of the overtaking happens (before chicane and main straight)

#14031 Schumacher7

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:09

Anyone who says Kobayashi is overhyped is not looking closely to what he is doing ;)

It is not so easy to impress in a shitty car and he beat Schumacher in that shitty car a few times.

I think he meant as in hyped up, excited, ready to go, wanting to impress, full of energy, hyper, that kind of thing. :)

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:23

Because the incident is being discussed in multiple threads, the Hamilton/Schumacher incident has been split. Please continue here; http://forums.autosp...howtopic=155333

#14033 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:25

I can't believe this shit. Not for the first time Sauber team outsmart other teams. Take their strategist and fire MGP strategist.

Situation at the moment:
http://www.fia.com/e...ssification.pdf
They say all 4 guys have 2 laps?

http://www.fia.com/e...ying-speeds.pdf
http://www.fia.com/e...ifying-trap.pdf
http://www.fia.com/e...ing-sectors.pdf

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 08:37.


#14034 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:46

I think Q2 times are deleted after the session, all cars that haven't started a flying lap are classified according to the car numbers, I'm pretty sure that's the way it's done.

#14035 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:51

I think Q2 times are deleted after the session, all cars that haven't started a flying lap are classified according to the car numbers, I'm pretty sure that's the way it's done.

No logic in that, IMO.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:51

If Schumi is 8th then surely Kobi has to start from 7th on the hard tyres he set his Q3 'lap' on. He can't have his cake and eat it... or can he?

That will be crucial for the start.

#14037 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:55

I think the ordering applies if several drivers have not posted a single valid timed lap for the whole session. But once they have registered timed laps, their times count.
Of course I can't be sure. Too many rules, too many clarifications on them.

Edited by sharo, 08 October 2011 - 08:55.


#14038 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:55

If Schumi is 8th then surely Kobi has to start from 7th on the hard tyres he set his Q3 'lap' on. He can't have his cake and eat it... or can he?

That will be crucial for the start.

He only started, but didn't finish. So, he can chose his tyres I think.


#14039 Schumacher7

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:00

He only started, but didn't finish. So, he can chose his tyres I think.

Surely if he gets placed higher on the grid because of that lap then those are the tyres he will have to start on?

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#14040 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:13

Surely if he gets placed higher on the grid because of that lap then those are the tyres he will have to start on?

He didn't set time, so he can start on the tyres he chose I think.


#14041 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:13

No logic in that, IMO.


I'd agree, though I think that's the way it's been for a while now. Remember when we had Friday qualifying a few years ago, drivers had to head out in reverse order of their finishing positions in the last grand prix, which made no sense whatsoever other than that the winner and podium finishers were likely to get a big advantage as a result of the rubber laid down by the rest.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:16

byronf1: Grid still not official which is unusual. stewards pondering over positions around 10th I rather.
27 minutes ago by Byron Young

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 09:16.


#14043 Diablobb81

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:38

If Koba set a fast lap on primes and will be 7th than he has to start on primes.

#14044 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:42

If Koba set a fast lap on primes and will be 7th than he has to start on primes.

But he didn't complete that time either. I think every one has a free tyre choice.

#14045 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:43

If Koba set a fast lap on primes and will be 7th than he has to start on primes.

Primes , no primes, Michael need to overtake him at the start. Or first lap after 130R. Taking no prisoners tomorrow.  ;)

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 09:44.


#14046 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:44

Yep, and most logical for me they should start in the order they arrived at Q3. Had Kobayashi posted any valid time in Q3, only then there's ground to move him forward.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:44

Primes , no primes, Michael need to overtake him at the start. Or first lap after 130R.

In any case, he shouldn't stay too close behind an SSS!

(Suddenly-stopping-Sauber)

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:46

byronf1: Grid still not official which is unusual. stewards pondering over positions around 10th I rather.
27 minutes ago by Byron Young



Maybe Hamilton are under investigation.

#14049 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 09:48

In any case, he shouldn't stay too close behind an SSS!

(Suddenly-stopping-Sauber)

Yeah, never stay behind Sauber in the corner, out of the corner.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:30

if he is 7th, he is taking webber 100% considering how good he is on the starts, and how bad webber is.