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#14001 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:05

I don't think he wanted a fast lap.

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#14002 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:06

He didn't get out for fast lap. Apparently if they didn't come out, Koba would be ahead of them in Q3, even without registering a lap. I thought that if they didn't set time in Q3 they would be left with their Q2 lap?

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 06:07.


#14003 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:14

He didn't get out for fast lap. Apparently if they didn't come out, Koba would be ahead of them in Q3, even without registering a lap. I thought that if they didn't set time in Q3 they would be left with their Q2 lap?


Mercedes are hopeless. When they know that they do not want to set fast lap but just come out to stay ahead of Koba, why didn't they come out earlier and leave it that late??? Idiots. Only because MS got past Hamilton (who was sleeping) that he was able to make it before the chequered flag.

EDIT: Just heard MS saying he was set to do a fast lap, which is strange because he could not have done better than 7th anyway.

Edited by GoRacing, 08 October 2011 - 06:22.


#14004 Tarzaan

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:14

IMHO P7 is good. Let's hope tomorrow he will get 10 points more the Nico:)

#14005 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:15

They did the right thing. Any cars that haven't gone out are classified behind cars that took to the track, all cars that did head out but did not set a time are classified according to the car numbers. So when Koba went out I was hoping they'd get Michael out there, Petrov and Senna would then have been irrelevant, that's exactly what happened.

Only hope that was on a useless set of hard tyres, though.

Looking good for the race tomorrow, fingers crossed he has a clean race.

#14006 Sof1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:16

MSC didn't make it before the checkered flag. They left it late so they are not forced to do a lap if the others (renault etc...) went out before them. It was some sort of a waiting game between those teams at the bottom of top 10.

#14007 Spa95

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:19

Michael confirmes that it wasn't planned...he wanted to do a fast lap but went across the line too late.

Edited by Spa95, 08 October 2011 - 06:20.


#14008 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:22

Michael confirmes that it wasn't planned...

webber (6th) time was 1 sec faster then MS's Q2 time, so i guess it was the right choice to make
MS only pilot having 2 sets of fresh softs from the top 10 :up:

#14009 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:23

In that case it's a botch up. Wasted set of softs and wasted effort. All they had to do was really just send him out for a warmup and head back in, he would automatically have been 7th. Not a chance in hell the Mercedes could've bothered the Red Bull in 6th, what was the point?

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:23

But they're not that fresh, because he intended to do a lap and so they've done a heat cycle.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:25

In that case it's a botch up. Wasted set of softs and wasted effort. All they had to do was really just send him out for a warmup and head back in, he would automatically have been 7th. Not a chance in hell the Mercedes could've bothered the Red Bull in 6th, what was the point?


Yep, he should have gone out on a used set of mediums.

#14012 Spa95

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:25

But they're not that fresh, because he intended to do a lap and so they've done a heat cycle.

Plus all that dirt and muck from having to avoid sleeping Lewis....

Edited by Spa95, 08 October 2011 - 06:25.


#14013 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:26

I thought MS race pace is good, but today Ferrari show much better Qualy pace. If their race pace is also better , there is no point for MS to fight them, it will just finish his tyres. So, stay 7th and hope for problems for guys ahead? Don't see other chance. He can easily jump Webber , but after?

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 06:28.


#14014 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:31

Plus all that dirt and muck from having to avoid sleeping Lewis....


If they wanted to do a fast lap in Q3, then why the hell did they wait until the last few milliseconds! But to be fair, they were not expecting Lewis to go so slowly. Even then....

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:33

http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/sta...559259794874368

Looks like there's a bug in the FIA timing system, there's a pretty good chance that Kobayashi should be 8th or even 7th

Great :rolleyes:

Edited by Spa95, 08 October 2011 - 06:33.


#14016 Tarzaan

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:34

Hamilton maybe will penalized because he was to slow before the end of the Q3, and maybe he forces MS out of track and alslo slowed down Webbo...

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:35

http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/sta...559259794874368


Great :rolleyes:


yeah i was wondering myself why MSC/renaults are ahead of KK with no time set

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:35

http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/sta...559259794874368

Great :rolleyes:

No way , he didn't set the time. He did only one lap. What bug?


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:36

http://twitter.com/#!/adamcooperf1/sta...559259794874368


Great :rolleyes:


What bug? Kobayashi didn't set a lap, same as the other three. He wouldn't move up the order. Or shouldn't at least, it's down to car numbers and both MS and the two Renaults are ahead of the Sauber.

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#14020 Sof1

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:36

KK did only one sector time on his out lap and then dove into the pits again.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:37

No way , he didn't set the time. He did only one lap. What bug?

but he started a hot lap, whereas Michael couldn't. According to the rules, the driver who started his hot lap will be in front of those who didn't. Apparantly Kobayashi will take the 7th spot.

#14022 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:37

No way , he didn't set the time. He did only one lap. What bug?


I think the order is correct, all of them went out but none completed a lap.

#14023 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:38

From the Qualifying thread:

b) If more than one driver fails to set a time during Q1, Q2 or Q3 they will be arranged in the following order :
i) any driver who attempted to set a qualifying time by starting a flying lap ;
ii) any driver who failed to start a flying lap ;
iii) any driver who failed to leave the pits during the period.

#14024 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:39

What bug? Kobayashi didn't set a lap, same as the other three. He wouldn't move up the order. Or shouldn't at least, it's down to car numbers and both MS and the two Renaults are ahead of the Sauber.


KK just did an outlap ? I thought he did a timed lap crossing the start/finish line in the box

#14025 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:39

Michael did two laps(he pit before finishing second lap). Koba one and Senna and Petrov also one?

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 06:40.


#14026 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:46

KK just did an outlap ? I thought he did a timed lap crossing the start/finish line in the box


Well Sauber apparently think they aren't 100% sure about MS, I thought MS started a flying lap as well?

BTW did anyone actually catch what happened with the MS-LH-MW incident? Schumacher had to take to the grass to get past the McLaren?

Edit: (from the qualifying thread)

0724: Just seen another replay of what happened with Lewis. He was cruising along with his head in the clouds when Webber nipped past on the inside, before Schumacher was forced to cut the corner to go past him on the left. As a result, Webber managed to post a lap but Lewis and Schuey were beaten by the clock.

http://news.bbc.co.u...one/9609604.stm


:well:

Edited by BRK, 08 October 2011 - 06:48.


#14027 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:49

BTW did anyone actually catch what happened with the MS-LH-MW incident? Schumacher had to take to the grass to get past the McLaren?

To visualize it, just think of Belgium 2000 with Zonta being Hamilton, Schumacher being Schumacher and Webber being Hakkinen at the last chicane. Hamilton slowed glaciously while Webber dived down the inside of him whereas Schumacher tried to overtake him from the outside and had to cut the chicane, meanwhile Hamilton was just watching the scene as if he didn't realize what the heck they were doing!

#14028 BRK

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:52

To visualize it, just think of Belgium 2000 with Zonta being Hamilton, Schumacher being Schumacher and Webber being Hakkinen at the last chicane. Hamilton slowed glaciously while Webber dived down the inside of him whereas Schumacher tried to overtake him from the outside and had to cut the chicane, meanwhile Hamilton was just watching the scene as if he didn't realize what the heck they were doing!


Yeah, there were no replays of the incident here so didn't know what had happened exactly. Not a huge loss I guess but that effectively ruined Schumacher's qualifying + first stint tomorrow, with the used softs.

#14029 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:54

Schumacher did insist his tyres were ok.

#14030 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 06:56

I think it wouldn't have made a big difference at all. He couldn't have don any better from 7th place on the grid. And his tyres should be OK. Must be a thrilling race.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:00

“It was a bit stupid, at the last chicane everybody was driving so slow. I saw my time and knew I had to go quicker – but I didn’t make it by a second.

“I had Webber in front; he had to slow down because Hamilton slowed down, but I don’t know what he had to slow down for. He pushed me out onto the grass (run-off area). But we are getting the maximum out of the car, so I’m happy.”


#14032 salamin

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:02

MS now has a good chance to catch NR in Korea next week

#14033 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:02

MS now has a good chance to catch NR in Korea next week


Still a long way to go, consistency is key.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:03

Plus all that dirt and muck from having to avoid sleeping Lewis....


they will have been cleaned up on the in-lap and on tomorrows installation lap.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:08

they will have been cleaned up on the in-lap and on tomorrows installation lap.

They will clean them in the box, but I am sure he have another lap(after the incident) and clean them on the track already.
Anyone have video from the incident?

PeterDWindsor: The Pirelli options generally seem to last for about 12 laps - 8 in the case of MGP and 14 in the case of RBR #f1

Ups, hope he is not right!

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 07:11.


#14036 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:10

I'm sure MS will get past Webber and maybe even Massa in 4th. But Webber will re-pass once DRS is enabled. So best we can hope is to fight for 6th with Massa.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:41

post quali interview with MS [german]



MS says that the positive trend of the last 3 races is down to some changes they made ... I wonder what that might be

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:42

If he passes Koba fast, it's ok. Otherwise it might kill his race

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:44

If he passes Koba fast, it's ok. Otherwise it might kill his race


I agree, what a difference a spot makes. He could have passed both Webber and Massa if he had started 7th. Now he HAS to get past Kobayashi and we all know how he drives, especially now in front of his home fans!

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:46

If Koba is on hards, as per his last lap, then it would be easy to overtake him at start.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:46

can Kobayashi choose tyres, or will he start on primes ?

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:48

Don't know. It's become a real mess with this tire saving and rules I see quoted for the first time.

Edited by sharo, 08 October 2011 - 07:48.


#14043 GoRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:50

If Koba is on hards, as per his last lap, then it would be easy to overtake him at start.


He can choose his tyres as he did not complete a flying/timed lap. He's classified as not having set a time, so free to choose his tyres :-( Hope MS gets past him at the start.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:51

Don't know. It's become a real mess with this tire saving and rules I see quoted for the first time.



Yeah i don't like this tyre saving/rules thing too. We are not seeing a lot of running in Q3 anymore. It has become boring.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:52

Kobayashi can choose his tyres because he did not set a laptime, his fastest was on the softs in Q2.

And judging by Schumacher's starts, he will whizz by 3 cars in the first lap anyway. Though Kobayashi has great starts most times too, equal to Schumacher.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:55

The only thing I wish is to stay out of trouble at the start. Because Koba seems to be too overhyped.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 07:58

Anyone who says Kobayashi is overhyped is not looking closely to what he is doing ;)

It is not so easy to impress in a shitty car and he beat Schumacher in that shitty car a few times.

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:04

Koba is going down in first lap. MS will pass him.


Koba will be a danger to himself and everyone on the track for the first few laps from the excitement and wanting to show well at home, 50% chance he won't see the first lap completed which means he will probably take someone with him - hope it doesn't happen and hope it's not MS, don't forget Koba's 1st and 2nd sector times are darn fast.


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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:08

Koba will be a danger to himself and everyone on the track for the first few laps from the excitement and wanting to show well at home, 50% chance he won't see the first lap completed which means he will probably take someone with him - hope it doesn't happen and hope it's not MS, don't forget Koba's 1st and 2nd sector times are darn fast.


yes, but MS is very quick in the last sector where most of the overtaking happens (before chicane and main straight)

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 08:09

Anyone who says Kobayashi is overhyped is not looking closely to what he is doing ;)

It is not so easy to impress in a shitty car and he beat Schumacher in that shitty car a few times.

I think he meant as in hyped up, excited, ready to go, wanting to impress, full of energy, hyper, that kind of thing. :)