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#14051 FlashMaster

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:37

@F1Lite REVISED JAPAN GP GRID: 1. Vettel 2. Button 3. Hamilton 4. Massa 5. Alonso 6. Webber 7. Kobayashi 8. Schumacher 9. Senna 10. Petrov. #F1


Well done MGP!

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#14052 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:44

Well done MGP!

Idiots. Wasn't it necessary Michael to wait so long after they saw what Koba did? He just needed to do the same and to cover Koba.


#14053 Wade

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:48

Bravo! Hurray!

They strike again. What a surprise!

smfh.

#14054 Urawa

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 10:57

it shouldn´t change the end result for tomorrow if everything is going to plan but still really unnecessary and makes it a bit harder to achieve P7

#14055 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:36

I don't really see the fuss. It's not 2010 here...cars can pass each other and Michael has a faster one plus DRS. He's also a great starter but it's pretty much the same 7th or 8th

#14056 sharo

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:37

I don't fully agree. Having Koba starting behind is not the same as having him right in front of your nose (and wing) :)

#14057 Juan Kerr

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 11:44

Michael will out-drag Kob into the first corner but Kob will probably get all 'japanese' in the heat of the moment and go slamming into someone (Massa?), Michael will stick tight to the inside of turn 1 and 2 like he did in 2005 and probably pick off Massa who will have already been picked off by Alonso. That's may educated prediction.

#14058 Lelouch

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 12:12

Can anyone tell us how many engines has Michael used up to now?

#14059 cheapracer

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 13:06

Michael will out-drag Kob into the first corner but Kob will probably get all 'Japanese' in the heat of the moment


No, MS is on the dirty side and to be honest I think it may be a blessing that Koba is in front.



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#14060 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 13:19

Schumacher said that there's little difference between the "dirty" and the "clean" side at this track.

#14061 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 13:24

Can anyone tell us how many engines has Michael used up to now?

He used them all, now he just reuse engines. No new engines. I think only Renault guys have new engine left.

Edited by ivand911, 08 October 2011 - 13:25.


#14062 Longtimefan

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 15:01

I'm quite dreading the start.

I know Michael is very good here but with Bruno behind him and Kamui in front I think it will be a miracle if he doesn't lose a front wing or some parts on the 1st lap. :|

#14063 Diablobb81

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 15:20

Second race in a row Merc screwed up strategy wise. Meh

#14064 weston

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 16:29

Second race in a row Merc screwed up strategy wise. Meh


On the starting grid slow starter Webber is in front of him. Kamui "Kamikaze" Kobayashi is next to him. Petrov is at the rear wing. Perfect storm.

#14065 ivand911

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 16:37

On the starting grid slow starter Webber is in front of him. Kamui "Kamikaze" Kobayashi is next to him. Petrov is at the rear wing. Perfect storm.

Why to do it easy, when you can do it the hard way. I hope he will careful at the start.


#14066 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 16:41

What the heck...some of you should focus on rallying. Wow Ms has to race...

Guess what, that's what he does best. It's not like he's 10 spot bellow car's potential

#14067 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 16:50

Actually, "slow starter" Webber is a good chance for him. His best way out of the mess that is likely to happen at the start. We can certainly agree that behind third row, the VP, KK, BS, AS quartet is a ticking bomb at the start. Also, I am quite interested in the start of NR. It is a very telling part of racecraft not to get into trouble when you start from the last spot, with a relative frontrunner car. He should be ok, but has to keep his cool.

#14068 Unbiased

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 17:24

Schumacher and Kobayashi are 2 of the best starters so they probably won't exchange positions at the start. They will both pass Webber and whoever has a problem. And later on in the race Schumacher gets Kobayashi because he is in the much faster car or in the pits.

Been a long time since I was excited about an F1 race, the setting is perfect, let's go :up:



#14069 spacekid

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 17:24

Actually, "slow starter" Webber is a good chance for him. His best way out of the mess that is likely to happen at the start.


Unfortunately I see it differently to this. If Webber starts slow Schumi is directly behind him. Its a narrow track and Schumi will have nowhere to go except stay behind Webber. What he needs is Webber to make a lightning start and follow him, thats the best chance to get ahead of Kobi. If he gets stuck behind the never pitting Sauber its all over.


#14070 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 17:38

Unfortunately I see it differently to this. If Webber starts slow Schumi is directly behind him. Its a narrow track and Schumi will have nowhere to go except stay behind Webber. What he needs is Webber to make a lightning start and follow him, thats the best chance to get ahead of Kobi. If he gets stuck behind the never pitting Sauber its all over.


IMHO, it isn't that narrow. But still, you could be right, although I hope not. we will see tonight, morning, dawn, whatever.

#14071 Tardis40

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 18:03

Schumacher will figure on getting Webber at the start. What he has to worry about is Petrov rear-ending him.

#14072 ali.unal

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 18:22

Schumacher said that there's little difference between the "dirty" and the "clean" side at this track.

Which reminds me 1990 Japanese GP.

#14073 Lelouch

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 19:01

Schumacher will figure on getting Webber at the start. What he has to worry about is Petrov rear-ending him.


If he manages to put Webber between him and the rest after the start it will be great ( woops Massa vs Webber is crossing my mind now :p )
It's really like a ticking bomb behind him so i just hope he can edge KK and Webber at the start and despite being on the dirty side i think a great first lap is possible as the grid is, that hamilton massa alonso webber quarter can give him a chance me thinks..

//Edit: thnx for the engine info ivand911 :)

Edited by Lelouch, 08 October 2011 - 19:02.


#14074 arknor

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:21

If he manages to put Webber between him and the rest after the start it will be great ( woops Massa vs Webber is crossing my mind now :p )
It's really like a ticking bomb behind him so i just hope he can edge KK and Webber at the start and despite being on the dirty side i think a great first lap is possible as the grid is, that hamilton massa alonso webber quarter can give him a chance me thinks..

//Edit: thnx for the engine info ivand911 :)

schumacher will probably get taken out before the first chicane

Edited by arknor, 08 October 2011 - 20:22.


#14075 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 20:23

schumacher will probably get taken out before the first chicane

Huh?

#14076 Kubiccia

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 21:15

Schumacher and Kobayashi are 2 of the best starters so they probably won't exchange positions at the start. They will both pass Webber and whoever has a problem. And later on in the race Schumacher gets Kobayashi because he is in the much faster car or in the pits.

I think Sauber will be faster than Mercedes on race pace. :well:

#14077 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 21:25

I think Sauber will be faster than Mercedes on race pace. :well:


Why would you say that? I had seen no data that underlines this. (genuine question)

Edited by Szoelloe, 08 October 2011 - 21:25.


#14078 george1981

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 21:59

I think MS will angle his car towards the middle of the track when lining up on the grid and as soon as he gets going will put himself in the middle of the track. That way should Webber get a bad start (which wouldn't be a surprise) MS will be able to pass him.

#14079 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 22:09

I think MS will angle his car towards the middle of the track when lining up on the grid and as soon as he gets going will put himself in the middle of the track. That way should Webber get a bad start (which wouldn't be a surprise) MS will be able to pass him.


Now that's quite specific. Will be an interesting start to watch. :)


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#14080 Lelouch

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 22:44

schumacher will probably get taken out before the first chicane


yeah right that's too probable indeed, MGP messing up, losing one position on the grid, the signs are ominous i know but i want to have peaceful thoughts before going to bed! :p


#14081 Kubiccia

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Posted 08 October 2011 - 23:59

Why would you say that? I had seen no data that underlines this. (genuine question)

Sauber was already almost as quick as Mercedes in qualifying and the difference between qualy pace and race pace have always been big regarding Sauber and Mercedes, this year.

I mean, Sauber always is much better in races than in qualifying and conversely, Mercedes is always better in qualifying than races. Plus, tire wear is high in Suzuka and Mercedes is a tire eater while Sauber is very gentle to the tires.

As a result, if nobody ahead of Schumi, in the grid, have a DNF, then I think 8th is the best possible.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:01

If there are no 1st corner accidents I don't see MS not being able finish ahead of KK. Yes Sauber is good on the tires and KK is in front of his home crowd but MS is no slouch either. In fact if things go well MS can probably even stick with FM... we know sometimes Ferrari don't do well on a particular stint with a particular tire compound.

#14083 Tardis40

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 02:07

Why would you say that? I had seen no data that underlines this. (genuine question)


He's been predicting doom for MGP since pre-season testing. Renault, Sauber, Toro Rosso, and Williams were all supposed to thrash them LOL


#14084 weston

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:07

Why would you say that? I had seen no data that underlines this. (genuine question)


There are some data.

http://www.f1fanatic...e-analysis-fp2/

Schmuacher can fight for P5 - P6 with Massa.

Edited by weston, 09 October 2011 - 04:02.


#14085 sanW10

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 03:31

BBC F1 2011 - 15 Japanese GP - Michael Schumacher questions Lewis Hamilton go-slow

from Michael Schumacher Facebook Fan Page

#14086 BRK

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:31

Sauber will as usual ply their ridiculous one stop less strategy, running around on worn tyres for half the race. It's their lack of pace that is worrying, if MS gets a good start and is unlucky enough to get stuck behind any of the Saubers after his pitstops it's a ruined race.

And yeah, the Turn 1-Turn 2 sequence is pretty tricky and narrow, someone's bound to get pushed out wide and onto the runoffs, fingers crossed that won't happen with the Mercs.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 04:33

If there are no 1st corner accidents I don't see MS not being able finish ahead of KK. Yes Sauber is good on the tires and KK is in front of his home crowd but MS is no slouch either. In fact if things go well MS can probably even stick with FM... we know sometimes Ferrari don't do well on a particular stint with a particular tire compound.

ok then.

My opinion is that Ferrari will be in another level compared Mercedes under any tire/fuel load. Also, Sauber is better on tire management and, on track with fast corners, they are often faster than Mercedes and Reno, in race pace.

He's been predicting doom for MGP since pre-season testing. Renault, Sauber, Toro Rosso, and Williams were all supposed to thrash them LOL

It's not like that. Before Mercedes bring their latests upgrades in the final testings, it genuinely looked like that Sauber and STR were faster but after the last testings, I trusted more in Mercedes. But still, the reality is that Sauber was faster than Mercedes in many races this year.

#14088 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 05:18

ok then.

My opinion is that Ferrari will be in another level compared Mercedes under any tire/fuel load. Also, Sauber is better on tire management and, on track with fast corners, they are often faster than Mercedes and Reno, in race pace.

It's not like that. Before Mercedes bring their latests upgrades in the final testings, it genuinely looked like that Sauber and STR were faster but after the last testings, I trusted more in Mercedes. But still, the reality is that Sauber was faster than Mercedes in many races this year.

Where? It was only one race in Australia. And now MGP are comparable with other midfield teams about tyre wear.
Start is not so narrow, Michael can attack Webber from left and right.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 05:22.


#14089 arknor

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 05:59

Sauber will as usual ply their ridiculous one stop less strategy, running around on worn tyres for half the race. It's their lack of pace that is worrying, if MS gets a good start and is unlucky enough to get stuck behind any of the Saubers after his pitstops it's a ruined race.

And yeah, the Turn 1-Turn 2 sequence is pretty tricky and narrow, someone's bound to get pushed out wide and onto the runoffs, fingers crossed that won't happen with the Mercs.

if schumacher is infront of kobayashi expect some ridiculous move going into the hairpin ending schumachers race. we will soon find out

#14090 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:12

Big difference in the pace with Ferrari and RBR. :rolleyes:

#14091 Spa95

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:14

Consistently slow in sector 1... :well:

#14092 Richardc

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:15

Horrible. I love this track, but this isn't helping.

#14093 spacekid

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:39

Well... actually a nice quiet race for Schumi is fine for me. I can't see him doing any better than 7th unless something happens up front.

Shame to see him have to nurse the tyres so much though.

#14094 Spa95

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:40

Why isn't he coming in?

Edited by Spa95, 09 October 2011 - 06:40.


#14095 arknor

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:43

Why isn't he coming in?

because he saved his tyres for so long now hes got to nail it, looks like merc are trying to make the tyres last and not get jumped by the force indias and saubers who probably will do less stops.

dont see it working though he needs to nail it and clear them by a big margin not match there pace for 10laps

#14096 Wilgot

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:44

Oh ffs...

#14097 spacekid

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:45

The safety car ruins all that hard work, doesn't it? Or does it? I always get confused about how the cars line up after this sort of thing...

Edited by spacekid, 09 October 2011 - 06:46.


#14098 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:48

Shit.

#14099 chrisblades85

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:49

The safety car ruins all that hard work, doesn't it? Or does it? I always get confused about how the cars line up after this sort of thing...



Still come out 7th. I thought it might ruin his race but it hasn't seemed to of.

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#14100 Richardc

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 06:49

not quite sure whats actually goinng on now... does he have to pass all the backmarkers under racing conditions, or blue flags?