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#14151 mkoscevic

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:57

You can feel how Schumacher has improved in the last few months. Another great race by him!

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#14152 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:58

A very good race by Michael considering he actually gained from the SC. I'll say it again but if this man was in the 2nd RB, or the 2nd McLaren or the 2nd Ferrari he'd being doing a better job than his counterparts.

I think he lost from SC, everyone behind him come very close, maybe it help only with Massa? Suttil and DIR lost from SC for sure.

#14153 Lelouch

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 07:59

A very good race by Michael considering he actually gained from the SC. I'll say it again but if this man was in the 2nd RB, or the 2nd McLaren or the 2nd Ferrari he'd being doing a better job than his counterparts.


He should retire he embarasses the younger ones too much :p

#14154 DutchCruijff

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:00

I think he lost from SC, everyone behind him come very close, maybe it help only with Massa? Suttil and DIR lost from SC for sure.

He would have coasted to 7th without the SC, he gained 6th with the SC so he gained from it.

#14155 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:02

Before the sc ms was not going to race anybody in front or have anybody race him from behind

He lost time having all the guys is the back all over him but that didn cost him anything
Instead he got a chance at massa and took it with both hands

#14156 Sakae

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:02

Not too shabby for an "old" man. :D

#14157 cheapracer

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:02

Good drive, shows he has recovered the bulk of his driving skills.

Shame we didn't see a few laps of him leading for novelty value but then again he did get his unfair share at Monza  ;)

#14158 cheapracer

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:09

I'll say it again but if this man was in the 2nd RB, or the 2nd McLaren or the 2nd Ferrari he'd being doing a better job than his counterparts.


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#14159 spacekid

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:15

I think Michael would be doing a better job than Felipe. Mark Webber has gone missing this year, it would be very interesting to see how Michael would do in his car.

Which is the 2nd McLaren? :p Not sure on that one  ;)

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#14160 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:18

Not sure if it was set up or the car, but MS was so much slower than everybody else in the 1st sector. But he was close in 2nd sector and the fastest in the 3rd.

#14161 Longtimefan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:20

Great race by Schumi!

Race director was abysmal.


#14162 Raelene

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:21

Which is the 2nd McLaren? :p Not sure on that one ;)

:rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#14163 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:21

Not sure if it was set up or the car, but MS was so much slower than everybody else in the 1st sector. But he was close in 2nd sector and the fastest in the 3rd.

He didn't pushed so much, managing the tyres all race. Maybe set up was not also best there, some times when he needed he was OK. I think in first sector you can save most from the tyres?

Which is the 2nd McLaren? :p Not sure on that one ;)

I think it is very simple, just check WDC table.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 08:24.


#14164 Wilgot

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:24

Not sure if it was set up or the car, but MS was so much slower than everybody else in the 1st sector. But he was close in 2nd sector and the fastest in the 3rd.

I've noticed on quite a few occasions this year that he has been running different setups than everyone else, being notably slower in one sector and a bit faster in another.

#14165 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:26

I bet autosport will give more points to Rosberg than Schumi...

Edited by Tarzaan, 09 October 2011 - 08:26.


#14166 DutchCruijff

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:26

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Serious face was on.

#14167 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:28

What MS did today was equal to win for me. Spa also. Canada too. With 4th fastest car!! Little more speed and he could challenge Lewis today.

#14168 Sevach

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:33

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Leaving aside Mr hot topic, i really think MS has been doing a good job lately, better than Massa and Webber.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:35

Just give the man a fast car, it will be great to watch.

#14170 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:37

What was Eddie Jorden & the BBC gang's opinion about Michael's drive?

#14171 Richardc

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:39

They've not really mentioned it.

#14172 DutchCruijff

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:40

What was Eddie Jorden & the BBC gang's opinion about Michael's drive?

They don't have an opinion except from Brundle thinking Schumacher could hunt down Webber who was 10s down the road with 7 laps. to go :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Edited by DutchCruijff, 09 October 2011 - 08:42.


#14173 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:40

What was Eddie Jorden & the BBC gang's opinion about Michael's drive?


Can't remember them speaking much about MS today, except that they said what everyone knew. He led the race for the first time (not counting Hungary earlier this year) since Japan 2006. They even thought he might catch Hamilton in the end, which even I thought with much fresher tyres, but the pace wasn't there on the medium tyre.

Edited by GoRacing, 09 October 2011 - 08:40.


#14174 cheapracer

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:44

LOL at this thread getting more poster time than Vettle winning his 2nd WDC today - and that's only the team players (trolls working on retaliation plan, a bit confused and on the back foot about the good result still :lol: ).

#14175 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:45

Thx:)

There was a moment about 5 laps before the finish when Schumi was only 1,7 from Hamilton.

Edited by Tarzaan, 09 October 2011 - 08:45.


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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:50

Not sure if it was set up or the car, but MS was so much slower than everybody else in the 1st sector. But he was close in 2nd sector and the fastest in the 3rd.

My educated guess is this time, because he knows the track so well, he went for a setup to gain time in the final sector. Past has shown (yes, the past) that he was always ├╝ber in sector 1, at least with the McLaren of Hakkinen not calculated. It's a technical section so I suspect he went for it hoping to equal his competitors there and gain elsewhere in the lap.

#14177 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:50

Did anyone notice how much MS was lifting in the corners after he made his 1st pit stop? There was a team radio that said the mechanics forgot to adjust his front wing which would cause blisters and that he had to manage his tyres the entire stint.

Edited by GoRacing, 09 October 2011 - 08:51.


#14178 Spa95

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:51

What was Eddie Jorden & the BBC gang's opinion about Michael's drive?

The Red Button Forum is about Red Bull and McLaren (again)....I don't think they even mentioned any other driver or team so far.

Edited by Spa95, 09 October 2011 - 08:51.


#14179 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 08:58

what a start from MS again, from Koba's onboard it seemed Schumacher is warp jumping away
too bad that the last races will have short start/finish straights (though Korea has a killer straight after turn 1)

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#14180 Kristian

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:05

If Merc can give him the car the technical team should be able to produce, then I think we'll see his final season in 2012 end with a couple of wins. He's back, let's put it that way. If you take away the incidents he's had this year and take into account the points lost, then he'd be miles ahead of Rosberg in points.

OK his qualifying is still a bit suspect, but don't forget that this was never his strongest point anyway, unless he was in the fastest car.

#14181 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:11

If Merc can give him the car the technical team should be able to produce, then I think we'll see his final season in 2012 end with a couple of wins. He's back, let's put it that way. If you take away the incidents he's had this year and take into account the points lost, then he'd be miles ahead of Rosberg in points.

OK his qualifying is still a bit suspect, but don't forget that this was never his strongest point anyway, unless he was in the fastest car.


I think even in qualifying, he has closed the gap to Nico. Hope he gets a better car next year that will help him win a couple of races, maybe that will motivate him to stay beyond 2012 for a championship challenge in 2013.

#14182 Lelouch

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:12

I think even in qualifying, he has closed the gap to Nico. Hope he gets a better car next year that will help him win a couple of races, maybe that will motivate him to stay beyond 2012 for a championship challenge in 2013.


:up: Amen

#14183 sharo

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:17

What I noticed (maybe wrong though) that he was improving his times towards the end of his stints. Which makes me think he was saving his tires or they have found a setup which help with less degradation. Or both.

#14184 SolalMS

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:18

Yes MS is really back! Imagine, lets dream 2 sec... World Champion in 2013 at 44 years old...

#14185 arknor

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:19

Did anyone notice how much MS was lifting in the corners after he made his 1st pit stop? There was a team radio that said the mechanics forgot to adjust his front wing which would cause blisters and that he had to manage his tyres the entire stint.

yea he was dead slow on those tyres for pretty much the whole sting and then finally started pushing them after around 10 laps which was all the mercs and redbulls were getting from tyres anyway

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:20

what was Webber thinking there with his "move" at turn 7(?) btw? :rolleyes:
If he started 7th he would have taken Webber at the start I guess.

#14187 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:30

what was Webber thinking there with his "move" at turn 7(?) btw? :rolleyes:
If he started 7th he would have taken Webber at the start I guess.


Yes, Webber was so far back when he made that move. He did the same to Massa at Monza, just lunging at cars from way behind. Glad MS did not get a puncture.

#14188 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:45

IMHO there is a high probability that Schumi stay in Merc/F1 after 2012. In particular that he constantly better than Rosberg and Nico wants to go to ferrari:

http://www.crash.net...ng_ferrari.html

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:47

I thought Schumacher was superb today.

You could see from the footage and 1st sector times he was obviously lifting quite a bit in the esses to save his tyres and it really paid off.

#14190 DutchCruijff

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:53

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#14191 Massa

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:00

i really want to see him next year with Alonso with Ferrari...

#14192 sharo

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:02

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Shh. We have enough of his "fans" without them.

#14193 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:06

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Aditya is long gone, he saw the signs pretty quickly. But, not everyone is like him.

And Frans will say: Something must have gone terribly wrong. :p

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:12.


#14194 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:06

IMHO there is a high probability that Schumi stay in Merc/F1 after 2012. In particular that he constantly better than Rosberg and Nico wants to go to ferrari:

http://www.crash.net...ng_ferrari.html


Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.

#14195 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:12

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.



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#14196 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:15

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.


I very much doubt Mercedes would be willing to sign Massa if there is a seat available. It will definitely be Di Resta. I don't think Massa will get a seat at a top team anymore. He's just not the same since he came back from injury and the subsequently notorious "Fernando is faster than you" radio call.

#14197 Lelouch

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:17

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.

That will be not be the chance he is waiting more like the chance he deserves with his performances in 2011. Even though i don't like him anymore i hope that will not waste his talent as a mere journeyman driver for much more and the swap you propose would help them only temporarily i think. I think it will be a step backwards in terms on skill, but on the other hand it will consolidate Michael as number 1 driver in MGP and sole contender of the 2013 WDC on MGP's behalf. No idea about the best option actually but MS-Massa would leave them without any ready solution for the future i think.

Edit: the last part is not what i think it's fact :p

Edited by Lelouch, 09 October 2011 - 10:18.


#14198 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:19

I very much doubt Mercedes would be willing to sign Massa if there is a seat available. It will definitely be Di Resta. I don't think Massa will get a seat at a top team anymore. He's just not the same since he came back from injury and the subsequently notorious "Fernando is faster than you" radio call.

Not to go into discussion ,but I am not sure it will be definitely DIR. Pretty sure Sutil and Hulk will be also considered.
MS lost around 2 sec in his second pit stop.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:23.


#14199 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:23

What is all this fuzz with DiResta? Sutil is better

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#14200 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:24

what a start from MS again, from Koba's onboard it seemed Schumacher is warp jumping away

'What a start' :drunk: Shumi passed one single driver from his 8th starting position to 7th, because the driver who started 7th bogged down and lost to 12th. I've seen Shumi do a fair bit better than that this year.