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#14201 Lelouch

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:12

I think even in qualifying, he has closed the gap to Nico. Hope he gets a better car next year that will help him win a couple of races, maybe that will motivate him to stay beyond 2012 for a championship challenge in 2013.


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#14202 sharo

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:17

What I noticed (maybe wrong though) that he was improving his times towards the end of his stints. Which makes me think he was saving his tires or they have found a setup which help with less degradation. Or both.

#14203 SolalMS

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:18

Yes MS is really back! Imagine, lets dream 2 sec... World Champion in 2013 at 44 years old...

#14204 arknor

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:19

Did anyone notice how much MS was lifting in the corners after he made his 1st pit stop? There was a team radio that said the mechanics forgot to adjust his front wing which would cause blisters and that he had to manage his tyres the entire stint.

yea he was dead slow on those tyres for pretty much the whole sting and then finally started pushing them after around 10 laps which was all the mercs and redbulls were getting from tyres anyway

#14205 Urawa

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:20

what was Webber thinking there with his "move" at turn 7(?) btw? :rolleyes:
If he started 7th he would have taken Webber at the start I guess.

#14206 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:30

what was Webber thinking there with his "move" at turn 7(?) btw? :rolleyes:
If he started 7th he would have taken Webber at the start I guess.


Yes, Webber was so far back when he made that move. He did the same to Massa at Monza, just lunging at cars from way behind. Glad MS did not get a puncture.

#14207 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:45

IMHO there is a high probability that Schumi stay in Merc/F1 after 2012. In particular that he constantly better than Rosberg and Nico wants to go to ferrari:

http://www.crash.net...ng_ferrari.html

#14208 SpeedRacer`

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:47

I thought Schumacher was superb today.

You could see from the footage and 1st sector times he was obviously lifting quite a bit in the esses to save his tyres and it really paid off.

#14209 DutchCruijff

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 09:53

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#14210 Massa

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:00

i really want to see him next year with Alonso with Ferrari...

#14211 sharo

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:02

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Shh. We have enough of his "fans" without them.

#14212 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:06

Where's Aditya-now? Puxanando? Frans? :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

Aditya is long gone, he saw the signs pretty quickly. But, not everyone is like him.

And Frans will say: Something must have gone terribly wrong. :p

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:12.


#14213 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:06

IMHO there is a high probability that Schumi stay in Merc/F1 after 2012. In particular that he constantly better than Rosberg and Nico wants to go to ferrari:

http://www.crash.net...ng_ferrari.html


Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.

#14214 Tarzaan

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:12

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.



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#14215 GoRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:15

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.


I very much doubt Mercedes would be willing to sign Massa if there is a seat available. It will definitely be Di Resta. I don't think Massa will get a seat at a top team anymore. He's just not the same since he came back from injury and the subsequently notorious "Fernando is faster than you" radio call.

#14216 Lelouch

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:17

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.

That will be not be the chance he is waiting more like the chance he deserves with his performances in 2011. Even though i don't like him anymore i hope that will not waste his talent as a mere journeyman driver for much more and the swap you propose would help them only temporarily i think. I think it will be a step backwards in terms on skill, but on the other hand it will consolidate Michael as number 1 driver in MGP and sole contender of the 2013 WDC on MGP's behalf. No idea about the best option actually but MS-Massa would leave them without any ready solution for the future i think.

Edit: the last part is not what i think it's fact :p

Edited by Lelouch, 09 October 2011 - 10:18.


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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:19

I very much doubt Mercedes would be willing to sign Massa if there is a seat available. It will definitely be Di Resta. I don't think Massa will get a seat at a top team anymore. He's just not the same since he came back from injury and the subsequently notorious "Fernando is faster than you" radio call.

Not to go into discussion ,but I am not sure it will be definitely DIR. Pretty sure Sutil and Hulk will be also considered.
MS lost around 2 sec in his second pit stop.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:23.


#14218 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:23

What is all this fuzz with DiResta? Sutil is better

#14219 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:24

what a start from MS again, from Koba's onboard it seemed Schumacher is warp jumping away

'What a start' :drunk: Shumi passed one single driver from his 8th starting position to 7th, because the driver who started 7th bogged down and lost to 12th. I've seen Shumi do a fair bit better than that this year.

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#14220 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:25

Not to go into discussion ,but I am not sure it will be definitely DIR.
MS lost around 2 sec in his second pit stop.


yeah it was over 5 secs + the cock up with the FW made him lose a possible 5th place

#14221 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:27

'What a start' :drunk: Shumi passed one single driver from his 8th starting position to 7th, because the driver who started 7th bogged down and lost to 12th. I've seen Shumi do a fair bit better than that this year.


wondered when the 1st flamer would get around. wonder if the everything else it doesn't matter crew is right behind him... :)

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:28

'What a start' :drunk: Shumi passed one single driver from his 8th starting position to 7th, because the driver who started 7th bogged down and lost to 12th. I've seen Shumi do a fair bit better than that this year.

Only because of the nature of Suzuka - a short run to turn 1 and bottlenecking.

If he'd made that start at Monza he would've been threatening the very front of the field!

#14223 Sof1

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:31

What is all this fuzz with DiResta? Sutil is better



Di resta is British, all the British media give him maximum coverage and rave about him in their sleep.

#14224 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:34

wondered when the 1st flamer would get around.

So you maintain that superlative; "what a start", despite Koba losing from 7th to 12th wasn't exactly due to Shumi? Without Kobayashi, Shumi 'started' 7th and was 7th after the first lap. How is that equivalent to "what a start!!1!"?

#14225 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:35

Only because of the nature of Suzuka - a short run to turn 1 and bottlenecking.

That nature wasn't why Kobayashi dropped to 12th, though, was it.

#14226 BRK

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:36

Massa's spirit has been broken at Ferrari. Rosberg looks down and moody these days at Mercedes. The two drivers should swap seats. Rosberg will get the chance he has been waiting for at Ferrari (until Alonso destroys him) and Massa would be in a better place mentally alongside Schumacher - the two are genuine friends and Massa's spirits should be lifted as well.

It's win-win for both drivers.


Don't know if Rosberg's down, though. All that talk about looking forward to seeing them reap the rewards of recent signings, thinking about extending his contract further (IIRC). I think it's not very likely that he'll end up at Ferrari but we'll see.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:38

what a start from MS again, from Koba's onboard it seemed Schumacher is warp jumping away
too bad that the last races will have short start/finish straights (though Korea has a killer straight after turn 1)

Agree fantastic start and very good race. He extracted the optimum out of the car and that's all that matters, a few solid races to finish 2011 and I'm really looking forward to see der Michael racing for podiums in 2012.

#14228 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:39

So you maintain that superlative; "what a start", despite Koba losing from 7th to 12th wasn't exactly due to Shumi? Without Kobayashi, Shumi 'started' 7th and was 7th after the first lap. How is that equivalent to "what a start!!1!"?


Speedracer already answered your question - must be a frustrating sunday i guess :wave:

Edited by salamin, 09 October 2011 - 10:39.


#14229 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:41

That nature wasn't why Kobayashi dropped to 12th, though, was it.

Did you see MS rocket start at all?? About Webber he didn't try very hard there , what was the point to overtake the best car this year? Tyre management say NO. But, if it was the second McLaren driver I am sure he would go for it.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:44.


#14230 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:42

Speedracer already answered your question...

Fine, Shumi did a fantastic start to take 7th from a nearly stalling Kobayashi; "WHAT A START!".

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:43

It actually was a good start. Without Alonso moving to the left and blocking and slowing him down he might have ended up in front of the Ferrari's.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:44

That nature wasn't why Kobayashi dropped to 12th, though, was it.

By start I believe he was referring to the acceleration Schumacher had off the start.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:45

Fine, Shumi did a fantastic start to take 7th from a nearly stalling Kobayashi; "WHAT A START!".

Did you not see the part where he was alongside Webber (who actually got a decent start for once), 2 places up the grid going into turn 1 after a very short run? Think of the difference in acceleration needed for Schumacher to make up that distance in such a short amount of time.

#14234 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:46

Did you see MS rocket start at all??

No. I saw him rocket passed Kobayashi, who stalled, and nearly stopped. Shumi basically started 7th and was 7th after the first lap. That isn't something to WOW over. But then again, as little there is to WOW over Shumi these days, I guess this is as good as it gets.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:48

Great job to be mixing it with the top 3 cars in what is a distant 4th best car. OK, it wouldn't have happened without the safety car, but he made the most of the chance he had.

Rosbergs chance of a seat with a top team being reduced by the recent form of MS.

#14236 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:48

By start I believe he was referring to the acceleration Schumacher had off the start.

Be that as it may, it wasn't a particularly good start for what matters, and his acceleration was hugely exacerbated by Kobayashi stalling.

#14237 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:49

Don't know if Rosberg's down, though. All that talk about looking forward to seeing them reap the rewards of recent signings, thinking about extending his contract further (IIRC). I think it's not very likely that he'll end up at Ferrari but we'll see.


Rosberg has been very cagey lately about his future, that indicates (a) that nothing has been penned, (b) he or the team isn't happy or © he wants to move elsewhere.

He looked quite dejected yesterday. It's fairly clear now that an old, shot, out of his prime Schumacher has the measure of him and Nico's stock has dropped as a result; to a young driver like Nico who doesn't have a long term strategy or the patience or experience of a seasoned veteran like Schumacher that would be quite demoralising.



#14238 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:50

No. I saw him rocket passed Kobayashi, who stalled, and nearly stopped. Shumi basically started 7th and was 7th after the first lap. That isn't something to WOW over. But then again, as little there is to WOW over Shumi these days, I guess this is as good as it gets.



:lol:

How is Montoya doing these day? Has he won anything in NASCAR yet?

#14239 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:50

No. I saw him rocket passed Kobayashi, who stalled, and nearly stopped. Shumi basically started 7th and was 7th after the first lap. That isn't something to WOW over. But then again, as little there is to WOW over Shumi these days, I guess this is as good as it gets.

There are now 4 groups of world champions:
1.MS
2.FA and SV
3.JB
4.LH
Last three groups have 6 titles.

Edited by ivand911, 09 October 2011 - 10:52.


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#14240 Scotracer

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:51

No. I saw him rocket passed Kobayashi, who stalled, and nearly stopped. Shumi basically started 7th and was 7th after the first lap. That isn't something to WOW over. But then again, as little there is to WOW over Shumi these days, I guess this is as good as it gets.


So you didn't see he was actually PASSED Webber by Turn 1 but was on the outside so couldn't get by?

Of course you didn't.

#14241 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:52

there is to WOW over Shumi these days, I guess this is as good as it gets.


well at least MS fans have something to cheer about these days, not sure about NR fans

#14242 BRK

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:53

Rosberg has been very cagey lately about his future, that indicates (a) that nothing has been penned, (b) he or the team isn't happy or © he wants to move elsewhere.

He looked quite dejected yesterday. It's fairly clear now that an old, shot, out of his prime Schumacher has the measure of him and Nico's stock has dropped as a result; to a young driver like Nico who doesn't have a long term strategy or the patience or experience of a seasoned veteran like Schumacher that would be quite demoralising.


Could be. I know this isn't the thread for NR but I think it would be a mistake to go to Ferrari. McLaren are happy with their current lineup, Webber stays for 2012 at RBR.

There are now 4 groups of world champions:
1.MS
2.FA and SV
3.JB
4.LH


:p

Hamilton beginning to look a bit like Vilenueve.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:55

Be that as it may, it wasn't a particularly good start for what matters, and his acceleration was hugely exacerbated by Kobayashi stalling.


I guess trolling the Schumi thread is about the only fun a Montoya fan gets these days huh?

:rotfl:

#14244 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:55

I guess trolling the Schumi thread is about the only fun a Montoya fan gets these days huh?

:rotfl:

:lol:

How is Montoya doing these day? Has he won anything in NASCAR yet?

Ah, the 'Montoya Rebuttal'. Yeah, his first win was in 2007. Anything else I can help you with?

Edited by VresiBerba, 09 October 2011 - 10:56.


#14245 VresiBerba

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:57

So you didn't see he was actually PASSED Webber by Turn 1 but was on the outside so couldn't get by?

Of course you didn't.

I saw it; WHAT A START!

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 10:59

schumi had a good start. he almost managed to pass webber, but was on the left side of the corner.

#14247 salamin

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:02

schumi had a good start. he almost managed to pass webber, but was on the left side of the corner.


yeah it was a close call
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#14248 ivand911

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:03

I like how MS is managing his tyres lately(6-7 races). This is helping much for the good results. He learn the tires. Last year he was behind with tires.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:04

Given the Merc is 0.9-1.0 slower than the Mclaren/Red Bull he did a really good job today and wasn't far off Hamilton (under 3 seconds at the end).

With a bit more speed next year, who knows.

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Posted 09 October 2011 - 11:05

I like how MS is managing his tyres lately(6-7 races). This is helping much for the good results. He learn the tires. Last year he was behind with tires.

Pirelli's Paul Hembery: "We were impressed when he [Vettel] came to see us, and I think it gave us a little insight into what he is like as a driver. What he did with us, he clearly does that in all areas that he operates in. The only other driver that asks us a lot of questions is another German – who is a bit older with quite a few more championships under his belt. We found that interesting."

Who would that be?
;)

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