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#14551 ivand911

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:49

MS should be 6th now. :rolleyes: I don't know how MS jump Massa, Alonso and Petrov. They were more than 7 sec ahead.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 06:51.


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#14552 MightyMoose

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:49

****ing hell, the in-car shot from Alonso shows just how dumb both he & VP were.

That has got to be a grid penalty at the very least, absolutely ridiculous. Possibly the stupidest crash of the season (and yes I'm including LH's long list).

#14553 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:50

Crying shame, as usual. But very nice words from Michael, made me relax a bit.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:50

Nice words form Schumacher on Petrov : Petrov good sportsman, incidents happen, MSC was also too blame for the first two incidents.

Also said he was holding back so as to have pace before pitstops. Worked for him.


Exactly. Shit happens, he'll have already moved on.

#14555 Wade

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:51

Incident will be investigated after the race.

Still, ****

#14556 Lelouch

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:52

****ing hell, the in-car shot from Alonso shows just how dumb both he & VP were.


That's what i thought too.. pretty unreasonable i don't know where they expected to turn.. or maybe Alonso's plot was to send VP at the back of Schumi to get rid of them both :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl: :rotfl:

#14557 MightyMoose

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:52

Classy comments by MS, it's a cast-iron guarantee posters such as ***** & other trolls won't be capable of behaving themselves in a similar manner.

Edit: In relation to the bias comment by the BBC, it's important to give acknowledgement when it's due...

BBC F1 co-commentator David Coulthard: "The information we had was that Schumacher spun at Turn Three. Schumacher didn't spin, he was attacked at Turn Three!"

Edited by MightyMoose, 16 October 2011 - 06:54.


#14558 GoRacing

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:58

Classy comments by MS, it's a cast-iron guarantee posters such as ***** & other trolls won't be capable of behaving themselves in a similar manner.

Edit: In relation to the bias comment by the BBC, it's important to give acknowledgement when it's due...

BBC F1 co-commentator David Coulthard: "The information we had was that Schumacher spun at Turn Three. Schumacher didn't spin, he was attacked at Turn Three!"


I agree, after they realized what happened, Brundle said he felt Alonso and Petrov thought they were the only two cars on the track! :lol:

#14559 Sof1

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:58

Thanks for the summary.

Still, Schumacher was doing great. Better than the girl with the other merc, i can't believe how easy it was for the Ferraris to pass him!

Edited by Sof1, 16 October 2011 - 06:59.


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#14560 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:58

Brundle and Coulthard hold Schumacher in high esteem, in awe but also arent afraid to criticise him either.

He could have jumped Rosberg.

#14561 Richardc

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 06:59

Schumacher: "That's racing, it does happen"

#14562 DutchCruijff

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:00

Listening to his interview, it's quite clear Michael doesn't care about this season. Laidback, less critical and much more understanding.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:15

he knows that this kind of things will only stop happening when merc will give him a car capable of qualifying on the first/second row at least.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:16

Shame, but as Michael said, thats racing. He was pretty phlegmatic about the whole thing.

He was having an ok not great first stint but ending up ahead of Alonso was good - I think he was on the right tyres for a strong result but we won't know.

DC has been particuluarly special this weekend. Yesterday he said the vibrations on Michaels car were definately due to Michael locking up on the out lap - not true - he then called Michael a 'zero' after quali, today said Michael has some of the slowest reactions of any driver on the grid and then that Rosberg was having Mercedes strongest race of the season. Any of these comments in isolation would be ignorable, but week after week of criticism and I just think the guy needs to let it go.

Anyhoo.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:16

It looked good, was 8th virtually and 3 stints left to catch 7

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:18

Erm, Merc strongest race was Canada.

#14567 Urawa

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:45

Clearly strongest race of the season for Merc... lol

#14568 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:50

It's funny, how every time Nico has some problems in the race (like ill-advised pit-stop in Hungary, losing out to Di Resta in Singapore, today's matter with Alguersari), generally pit-decision related, it's in races when Schumacher had already retired.

#14569 GoRacing

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:53

It's funny, how every time Nico has some problems in the race (like ill-advised pit-stop in Hungary, losing out to Di Resta in Singapore, today's matter with Alguersari), generally pit-decision related, it's in races when Schumacher had already retired.

I know all the anti-MS brigade would not agree, but he would have comfortably passed Nico and maybe he even would have ended up ahead of Massa.

#14570 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:54

Hard to say, Rosberg was almost ten seconds ahead (or thereabouts) before the "accident".

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:58

Shame, but as Michael said, thats racing. He was pretty phlegmatic about the whole thing.

He was having an ok not great first stint but ending up ahead of Alonso was good - I think he was on the right tyres for a strong result but we won't know.

DC has been particuluarly special this weekend. Yesterday he said the vibrations on Michaels car were definately due to Michael locking up on the out lap - not true - he then called Michael a 'zero' after quali, today said Michael has some of the slowest reactions of any driver on the grid and then that Rosberg was having Mercedes strongest race of the season. Any of these comments in isolation would be ignorable, but week after week of criticism and I just think the guy needs to let it go.

Anyhoo.


If you want to slag Coulthard, you should not use the comments about reaction time.

He said that it USED to be his achilles heel, but that he have worked on that and are now doing great, having gained 24 positions in the last 7 races. I second the poster above, saying that Coulthard and Brundle are not adverse to critique, nor are they adverse to praise.

I liked how Schumacher stated what most real fans should acknowledge. Race incidents happen, the current idea that it is always someones 'fault' degrade and diminish racing and the heritage of what racing is about.

:cool:


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 07:59

Hard to say, Rosberg was almost ten seconds ahead (or thereabouts) before the "accident".

I think Algersuari was still behind MS before the accident and he pass Nico in the end. Yeah, Nico fuel problems helped. But, it would help MS too.


#14573 Sof1

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:00

Michael would have most probably finished ahead of Rosberg today.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:02

I think Algersuari was still behind MS before the accident and he pass Nico in the end. Yeah, Nico fuel problems helped. But, it would help MS too.


So there's two things to it: firstly, that Alguersari got closer due to the SC caused by MSC; secondly, that if the SC had not been on, Rosberg would've had an even bigger fuel problem. But as usual, it's a would've, should've, could've situation.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:06

Without the accident I think MS would have been 5th/6th depending on how Alonso got on towards the end of the race.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:07

Michael would have most probably finished ahead of Rosberg today.

From a Schumacher fan, Rosbergs pace was quite good today. I don't know how it would have went with tyre wear due to setup but the fact was that Rosberg was steadily pulling away from MSC. Also on the end of the stint Schumacher wasn't consistently faster than NR, as far as I've seen on LT. We must say that MSC has done something very good, snatching a place from Petrov AND Alonso on his outlap. Undercut was successful but too bad that the Spaniard and the Russian seemed to have tunnel vision.

Edited by Jejking, 16 October 2011 - 08:09.


#14577 arknor

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:10

Brundle and Coulthard hold Schumacher in high esteem, in awe but also arent afraid to criticise him either.

He could have jumped Rosberg.

you realise they went some years refusing to speak to each other right?

Edited by arknor, 16 October 2011 - 08:11.


#14578 Sof1

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:11

From a Schumacher fan, Rosbergs pace was quite good today. I don't know how it would have went with tyre wear due to setup but the fact was that Rosberg was steadily pulling away from MSC. Also on the end of the stint Schumacher wasn't consistently faster than NR, as far as I've seen on LT. We must say that MSC has done something very good, snatching a place from Petrov AND Alonso on his outlap. Undercut was successful but too bad that the Spaniard and the Russian seemed to have tunnel vision.


Schumacher, was as usual, saving his tyres until the moment when he needed to push hard. He would have been able stay on his second SS set, more than Rosberg and would have had better tyres towards the end.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:12

It is official: MS is the best driver in the first lap and he is also the unluckiest driver in the field.
Michael said he was keeping his tyres.
"Slower" MS somehow overtake both Ferrari and Petrov in the box. So, he was quick enough. He save his tyres for this moment I guess. I doubt he would have used another SS set.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 08:17.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:16

It is official: MS is the best driver in the first lap and he is also the unluckiest driver in the field.
Michael said he was keeping his tyres.


It´s a little bit different fighting FI:s, STR´s and Renos than fighting Ferraris, Macs and Redbulls with topdrivers..

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:19

It´s a little bit different fighting FI:s, STR´s and Renos than fighting Ferraris, Macs and Redbulls with topdrivers..


True, chance of finishing the race is much higher while fighting with the latter group

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:20

It´s a little bit different fighting FI:s, STR´s and Renos than fighting Ferraris, Macs and Redbulls with topdrivers..

You mean Nico or MS. MS fight with Ferrari they were behind him. And who overtake Nico in the end? Nobody from them really fight RBR. MS could for sure finished this race better than Nico, no matter who fight who.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 08:21.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:20

It´s a little bit different fighting FI:s, STR´s and Renos than fighting Ferraris, Macs and Redbulls with topdrivers..


Indeed.

I am however of the (deluded?) belief that were Michael in a car comparable to the Mclaren, Red Bull and Ferrari's then he would be as strong as the number 1 driver in each of those teams.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:22

Without the accident I think MS would have been 5th/6th depending on how Alonso got on towards the end of the race.


Sure. And without qualifying problem Nico would have easily won the race in Suzuka...

Anyway, what happened to Alonso? Why was he anywhere near Schumi after the pitstop? Before the stop he was about 10 seconds in front.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:23

Schumacher, was as usual, saving his tyres until the moment when he needed to push hard. He would have been able stay on his second SS set, more than Rosberg and would have had better tyres towards the end.

I am not saying that he wasn't able to speed up, but not as much as Rosberg. If that's down to saving the car, compared to Rosberg who was at that time just a little down on the train behind the Ferraris and Button, I'm not sure. At the end of his stint his (MSC) times came down but overall Rosberg was faster in that stint. If Rosberg paid the price for it at the end of the race, I don't know because I haven't seen an onboard of him vs Buemi to know if he was able to get max revs.

It is official: MS is the best driver in the first lap and he is also the unluckiest driver in the field.
Michael said he was keeping his tyres.
"Slower" MS somehow overtake both Ferrari and Petrov in the box. So, he was quick enough. He save his tyres for this moment I guess. I doubt he would have used another SS set.

Yes, it was either that, or both FA and VP having a scruffy inlap, or a combo of both. Can someone check that out on LT?

By the way, MSC sprinting past Di Resta with DRS and instantly going purple in S1 by at least 0.6s from ANYONE, it was hilarious :D Very funny to see :)

Edited by Jejking, 16 October 2011 - 08:25.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:31

It´s a little bit different fighting FI:s, STR´s and Renos than fighting Ferraris, Macs and Redbulls with topdrivers..

Well pointed out Forty; it's much tougher in the muddled, unpredictable midfield :up:

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:36

Alonso lost around 4 sec in the box and 5,5 in his outlap/pit exit. Massa was ahead of MS all the time.
http://www.fia.com/e...ace-history.pdf
MS was around 7 sec behind Nico and 6 sec behind Massa. Still he jump two places.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 08:44.


#14588 D.M.N.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:43

Unfortunate accident today. These things happen, sadly.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:45

Schumacher, was as usual, saving his tyres until the moment when he needed to push hard. He would have been able stay on his second SS set, more than Rosberg and would have had better tyres towards the end.


Saving his tyres for what? He was clearly slower than Rosberg all the way til his pit stop.



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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:50

Saving his tyres for what? He was clearly slower than Rosberg all the way til his pit stop.


I'm a die-hard MS fan, but if he had been saving tyres, you have to wonder why he did not go further on his 1st stint. He pitted the very next lap after Nico pitted. Maybe he was careful not to punish his tyres that he might have had to pit before everyone else??

Edited by GoRacing, 16 October 2011 - 08:50.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:52

I'm a die-hard MS fan, but if he had been saving tyres, you have to wonder why he did not go further on his 1st stint. He pitted the very next lap after Nico pitted. Maybe he was careful not to punish his tyres that he might have had to pit before everyone else??

It is the way of driving that you learn with the new tyres. Maybe you can go faster but for how long? Driving behind McLaren and behind LRGP is different. Ncio somehow pay the price in the end. This wouldn't happen to MS. Maybe he see that Petrov is fast enough and he decided to pass him in the pit.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 08:55.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 08:55

Not a great first stint by Michael. New options and neither great pace nor longer stint.

Next race.

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:01

He need to react to the guys around. He still have life in his SS tyres, Nico too I think. But, they pitted.

Edited by ivand911, 16 October 2011 - 09:05.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:06

He need to react to the guys around. He still have life in his SS tyres, Nico too I think. But, they pitted.


He definitely did have some more life I think, set his personal best laptime before he pitted. I think he should have gone a couple of laps further.

Edited by GoRacing, 16 October 2011 - 09:09.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:09

Petrov handed grid-penalty for Indian GP
Sunday 16th October 2011, 10:05

Vitaly Petrov has been given a five-place grid drop for the inaugural Indian Grand Prix following his collision with Michael Schumacher in Korea.

The Renault driver had passed Fernando Alonso using DRS but failed to judge the braking into turn three which led to him hitting the rear of Schumacher's Mercedes, ending both their races.
After the race, Schumacher described the collision as a 'racing incident', though the FIA deemed Petrov fully at fault.

"I didn't see Vitaly coming; I was just suddenly spun into a direction I had not intended to go, and then I saw my rear wing hanging off," said Schumacher. "It was unfortunate but these things happen when you fight hard - that’s racing."
The Russian was also handed a reprimand for his actions.


http://thef1times.co...s/display/04750

#14596 ivand911

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:10

He definitely did have lot of life I think, set his personal best laptime before he pitted. I think he should have gone a couple of laps further.

the problem is he don't know what lap time will other guys who pitted will do. With the hindsight is easy. :yawnface: Looking now maybe another 2 laps in 1:45 , without Petrov ahead of him could be better. Nico second lap after pitstop was 1:48.5.



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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:10

Saving his tyres for what? He was clearly slower than Rosberg all the way til his pit stop.

i guess he was lieing after the race then , but im sure you know best...

Edited by arknor, 16 October 2011 - 09:11.


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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:11

He need to react to the guys around. He still have life in his SS tyres, Nico too I think. But, they pitted.


Michael's pace in the first stint is rarely great. He shines later on.

But with new tires he shouldn't have been 6 sec off. Maybe he was a little bit too conservative in saving tires.

Edited by Diablobb81, 16 October 2011 - 09:12.


#14599 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:12

if e was so slow in the first stint how did he jump petrov and alonso?

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Posted 16 October 2011 - 09:12

See a lot of posts about the influence of bad starting position, which while true, is not the case today, because Michael had a good start, kept out of trouble and gained 2 places after the start.
When pit stops begin it's about where one would come out. And as long as this was the first stop and the gaps yet not so big, Michael and the Ferraris found themselves among slower cars.