Which means you dont have any proof of Massa > Fisichella. Not surprising.
It's well-known that Massa ha a driving style similar to that of Schumacher and prefers a car that has more grip at the front and is more pointy. 'Proof' of this (for the sake of a cheap revisionist, that is) is to be found with his remarks when Bridgestone shifted to narrower front tyres for 2010, offering less grip at the front and favouring drivers that liked their cars a bit more understeery:
From 2009 -http://www.formula1....009/5/9414.html
“In addition to this, there is more mechanical grip - grip provided by the tyres interacting with the road surface - than before at the front of the car, due to the proportionally bigger contact patch of the front tyre, so the latest cars have a lot more grip on the front than previously.”
The additional grip at the front means that the latest cars work their rear tyres harder than before.
“We can certainly say that the current generation car has an oversteer tendency, where the rear of the car doesn’t have as much grip as the front, and this tendency is a focus for teams in their car set-ups and designs,” explains Hamashima.
On 2010 -http://www.formula1....9/11/10216.html
Q: Next season there will be a smaller front tyre, tell us about this…
HH: For 2010 we will have a narrower front tyre. This will help to bring a better grip balance between the front and the rear grip of the cars. When we changed back to slick tyres the grooved tyre size was retained, meaning that the front gained proportionally more grip than the rear. This is addressed by making the front tyre narrower.
To link that with Massa's preferences:http://www.totalf1.c..._driving_style/http://www.ferrari.c...sa/default.aspx
"I hope we have a better time from now to the end of the season,” he continued. “Yes, there has been some bad luck and I believe in good and bad luck – what else would you call what happened to me at the final corner of the 2008 championship? But luck only plays a secondary part. In terms of my own difficulties on track, I have found it tough racing on the hard tyres, although much easier on the soft ones and I have tried to adapt my driving style accordingly.
"I prefer to drive a car with a lot of front grip, so even if I find a car with a lot of oversteer - but the front end is working properly - then I can work with the engineers to improve the rear end of the car. That is how I have always driven and this year’s narrow tyres have not helped my driving style.”
Alonso and Massa have different chassis set-ups at times, but Massa believes the biggest difference is in their driving style. "It's not that the braking point is different, but when he is arriving to the corner he has a very aggressive style on the steering wheel. He always goes completely like this" – he indicates a sudden, jerking twist of the wheel as if throwing the car at the corner – "and by this he is warming up the tyres more. I've tried it, but I can't make it work."
Last year Bridgestone changed the front tyres a lot compared to 2009. This led to lots of understeer. The tyres were much harder and difficult to bring up to the right temperature. I tried to modify the front tyres, but then the rear tyres didn’t work as they should have, so it was a real fight. This year Pirelli should have prepared much stronger front tyres, for more grip. This is much better for my driving style.
Going solely by the 'facts' dug up on the internet (as opposed to actually having watched the damned season and followed every move) it's plainly obvious pre-2010 cars had more grip at the front, favoured Massa's driving style, and therefore Massa was comfortable with the nature of the tyres in 2006. Not to mention Schumacher's own driving style (which I hope is beyond this ridiculous 'debate') meant he preferred a pointy car as well. Massa was thus comfortable with the F248, unlike with later cars and regs.
OTOH Fisichella and his teammate had different driving styles. All I can find now is this:http://www.totalf1.c...s-i-fisichella/
Fisichella was therefore less comfortable with the R26 than Massa was with the F248, that I think is a reasonable conclusion.
I'd have thought things like this should go without saying and would have been obvious to someone that has followed the sport closely for a while but there you go.
Score 1 to the revisionists - 0 to common sense and knowledge, I'll give you that. Congrats on dragging someone that absolutely detests revisionists with their agendas to their level.
"Man landed on the moon in 69"
"It was on the radio, TV, in the news, everywhere! Anybody that was alive back then would've known!"
"Proof? Link? Is it on Wikipedia or Youtube"
Nothing of substance here again.
I just replied to all of this.
Hungary : Mechanical failure for Alonso
Which doesn't negate the fact that Renault had an advantage at that track. Very cheap attempt.
France : More consistent tyres doesnt mean faster. Ferrari were the faster car at France.
But Renault + Michelin were the better package.
On the other hand, Ferrari won 7 out the last 9 which is why they were the best car in the second half and were in the hunt for their 8th till an engine failure. What is your problem with that exactly ?
I claimed no such thing. I asked you to prove your claim that Ferrari had a consistent pace deficit in 2006, apparently because of which the otherwise perfect superhumans Schumacher and Massa made mistakes.
Statistics, that's my problem. Any fool could hunt up stats and come to conclusions without fully understanding the way the season panned out or the ups and downs both teams had to face over the season. I could use stats too for instance:http://www.f1technical.net/news/4406
One consequence is that a single chassis rarely completes a full season these days. In 2004 for example, Fernando Alonso used three chassis: R24-02, R24-06 and R24-07. That followed damage incurred during a Grand Prix weekend, and a new, revised lightweight monocoque design towards the end of the season.
In 2006, though, chassis R26-03 competed in every single Grand Prix weekend. It emerged from the race shop on 7 February 2006, 33 days before its victorious race debut in Bahrain on 12 March.
This test was to be the car’s only on-track action away from a Grand Prix weekend. It took a debut victory in Bahrain, and then scored 84 points from a possible 90 in the first half of the season – and completed every single race lap.
By season’s end in Brazil, the car had won a total of 134 points on the way to Fernando Alonso’s world drivers’ championship. It took 7 victories, 6 pole positions, set five fastest laps and helped Fernando to the podium on 14 occasions in total. Of the season’s 1137 total race laps, it completed 1108 – missing out on ten laps in Monza, and 19 in Hungary. That represents 97% of the total race laps completed.
What’s more, this car also led more laps than any other during the season – just as Fernando led more than any driver. It crossed the line in P1 on 463 laps, or 41% of the season total, on its way to seven victories during the 2006 season.
In total, including testing, practice, qualifying and racing, R26-03 completed 11,317km. It ran with 11 new engines in total: 10 during the season, and one in Barcelona.
So, 134 points, 7 race wins, 6 poles, 5 fastest laps and 1 world championship. To borrow a phrase, probably the most valuable Renault in the world…
From the horse's mouth (Renault F1). Clearly the best car of 2006, then...
People that aren't fools, on the other hand, might say:http://doctorvee.co....f-the-tyre-war/
Here is an extract from an article by Paul Kimmage in The Sunday Times from a couple of months ago.
At a press conference the next afternoon at the [Istanbul] circuit, [Jenson Button] is joined on stage by fellow drivers David Coulthard, Kimi Raikkonen and Tiago Monteiro. A French journalist raises his hand and asks, â€œQuestion to you all: who will win the world championship? Schumacher or Alonso? The four give the same reply: the championship will basically be decided by the team with the best tyres. The journalist is annoyed. What? No names? No opinions? We've given our opinions,Button insists. "We can't see into the future. We don't know what's going to happen.
We meet an hour later and I pull him up on it again. What was all that corporate crap? Why couldn't you give the guy a straight answer: Alonso or Schumacher? As a journalist and a fan, I find that absolutely infuriating.
'Because it's the truth,â€ he says. â€œIt will all come down to the tyres.
'The tyres,' I repeat, incredulous.
'The tyres, 100%,' he insists.
A view shared by a lot people at the time, including me. To completely ignore this aspect and harp on and on about a clear cut 50:50 championship where Ferrari had the best car throughout the second half is pretty amazing for someone posting on an internet forum.
Next time maybe you should actually post something that makes sense.
Can't help it if you cannot read.
Enough of this bullshit for ****'s sake.
Edited by BRK, 17 October 2011 - 13:07.