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#14801 Group B

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 20:26

I can't believe anybody honestly thinks MS is, should be, or coud be as fast now as in 1991 - 2001. There's a good reason you see very, very few 42 year olds excelling at sport, be it football, cricket, tennis or even snooker. Of course there's the odd freaky exception, but ultimately the human body just aint what it was at 25, and all the good will in the world isn't going to change that.

The proper question for me is is he still good enough to be worthy of a seat in a decent car with a decent team mate. Based on the last 7 or 8 races I'd very much say yes.



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#14802 metz

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 21:22

A good engineer is more likely to help the car go faster than any driver.
Drivers are there for the personality, media, hype and sponsors.
And in that department, Schumacher has it in spades.

#14803 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 21:28

that's right but a good engineer will work better with some kind of drivers and worse with others.

of course the engineer is still the master key, but he's not the only piece of the puzzle. it's a pretty tricky game

#14804 Jejking

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 21:41

Well said MTR, well said.

#14805 Sakae

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 22:18

Drivers are there for the personality, media, hype and sponsors.
And in that department, Schumacher has it in spades.


Maybe, but you forgot they do also drive a car, that one be a fast bitch, or a slow dog, and risks his life for our pleasure. Engineer does neither, thus maybe we can give a driver little credit for that little something. Schumacher has skills in spades most of us are lacking; in cockpit, just as outside of it.

Edited by Sakae, 20 October 2011 - 22:21.


#14806 D-man

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Posted 20 October 2011 - 22:23

The fact that Schumacher has the drive and commitment to have made a comeback, and the balls to put his reputation on the line only cements his legendary status. I respect him more than ever!

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 09:08

Is this new here?

Schumacher ignores Brundle [BBC] F1 2011 Korean GP



#14808 Szoelloe

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 09:16

Is this new here?

Schumacher ignores Brundle [BBC] F1 2011 Korean GP


That's nothing personal. Happens to Brundle all the time. He was simply in a hurry.


#14809 Kucki

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 09:24

Nothing personal towards Brundle,... but I think MS doesnt like the BBC and the way they are always super-critical about him.

Eddie Jordan spent over a whole year trying to talk MS out of the car, DC nodding in agreement. These guys dont want to see him in F1, MS doesnt want to see them either.

#14810 spacekid

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 09:31

Michael never talks before a race. He's made plenty of time this year to do segments with the BBC/DC around the race weekend such as driving round the track with Coulthard, and he always speaks after the race, but never before. He just doesn't like to, and I think thats fair enough.

#14811 Kucki

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:02

He does for RTL, SKY and ORF. The stuff he does with the BBC is the absolute minimum. You hardly ever see him after the race standing with the BBC crew analysing the race. Hamilton, Button, Vettel, DiResta, yes, but MS? He knows the way they talk about him.

Edited by Kucki, 21 October 2011 - 10:03.


#14812 ivand911

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:24

He does for RTL, SKY and ORF. The stuff he does with the BBC is the absolute minimum. You hardly ever see him after the race standing with the BBC crew analysing the race. Hamilton, Button, Vettel, DiResta, yes, but MS? He knows the way they talk about him.

He never analyze the race with RTL too, he just give them an interview. Maybe when BBC start analyzing he is long gone from the track.


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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:28

Is this new here?

Schumacher ignores Brundle [BBC] F1 2011 Korean GP



I really hate to see all these journalists (or whatever they are) around the drivers when the cars are on the grid... It has to be very annoying for the drivers and for the mechanics...

And about Schumi ignoring (I don't think he did but regardless...) Brundle... I would have done the same thing... :lol:



#14814 Igorr

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 10:53

im 100% sure for hamilton, and schumacher as well that both of them don't want to talk to anyone except their engineer and the mechanics before the race.

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 13:06

I'll go into your post later on but for now I want to say:

First thing is true. Second thing is not. Ferrari sent Schumacher on his way with more fuel to stay out longer in the second stint. MSC was out on track going faster than Alonso, but went off, after that he didn't have enough laps to stretch the gap out enough. He pitted, came out third, and stayed there.

Nonetheless Alonso was already in P2 right after the SC stopps!
So its entirely right to say that initially it was the required waiting in pits behind Massa that gifted Alonso P2.

MAYBE Schumacher could have retaken it by a different strategy, but thats not proven.

HaPe

Edited by HaPe, 21 October 2011 - 13:09.


#14816 HaPe

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 13:19

Schumacher developed (with other people respectfully) both the Benetton and the Ferrari over a considerable amount of time - there is not much evidence that immediately drove "anything" fast and in fact sharing sports cars with other drivers tends to suggest he was hampered when the car wasn't setup around him.

Sorry but you seems to have missed quite a lot of years of F1 as well as other motorsport events like Race of Champions....

Schumacher looked not as good in sportscars because he simply doesnt like it, when he cant see his wheels resp. where the car is on track. In sportscars he sits inside the cabin and can only guess where his wheels in relation to track borders (especially curbs / turns) are at the moment.

His efforts in Race of Champions proved very clearly that he can drive any "foreign" car to the maximum limit, being faster than anyone (if he doesnt make a mistake for sure).
....and it was also clearly visible at RoC that he couldnt cope with touring cars as good as with the open wheeler.

The 91 Jordan was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.
The 92 Benetton was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.
The 96 Ferrari was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.



#14817 Jejking

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 13:39

I'm sure we can find some evidence on that McLaren-Eng-site thingy, in laptimes, for Turkey 2006 :)

Btw, new discussion point, since Schumacher most of the time has been accused of being preferred by the team over his teammate. Of course he has done a lot of that on merit, and enforced it, but there are still people who think that game was already going on in 1992. My question, how much was he given an advantage in 1992? I think if it's the case at all, it wouldn't be that much since Brundle came in the team 'only' five races later. What is your take on that guys?

#14818 Frans

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 15:19

The 91 Jordan was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.
The 92 Benetton was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.
The 96 Ferrari was not build to suit him and he was the faster man.


the 2011 Mercedes GP WAS build to suit him and he still isn't the faster man.


Just to add something constructive eh.

And oh, the RoC, the Legend Jos Verstappen will Wipe Schumi's Ass on the track. Just wait and see!

#14819 ivand911

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 15:55

the 2011 Mercedes GP WAS build to suit him and he still isn't the faster man.


Just to add something constructive eh.

And oh, the RoC, the Legend Jos Verstappen will Wipe Schumi's Ass on the track. Just wait and see!

What if happen the opposite? I am sure Jos will bin it from scare. :p

Edited by ivand911, 21 October 2011 - 15:58.


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Posted 21 October 2011 - 16:27

I hope a journalist can ask this question to Michael about the braking/throttle technique. What he had to do since his comeback to adjust and whether he can go back to it in 2012.


Actually, this is a very valid question. It is the first time I hear(my ignorance I am sure) that he was reminded(?)from the pit several(?) times not to use the throttle under braking. It has always been a basic part of his driving style, and if he cannot do that, it explains a lot to me. It is well known that he loses time to NR during cornering. I always thought that to be contradictory. It was one of the key factors enabling him to get around the flaws of a racing car.
Very old vid, but still valid:

Edited by Szoelloe, 21 October 2011 - 16:28.


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Posted 21 October 2011 - 18:19

I'm sure we can find some evidence on that McLaren-Eng-site thingy, in laptimes, for Turkey 2006 :)

Btw, new discussion point, since Schumacher most of the time has been accused of being preferred by the team over his teammate. Of course he has done a lot of that on merit, and enforced it, but there are still people who think that game was already going on in 1992. My question, how much was he given an advantage in 1992? I think if it's the case at all, it wouldn't be that much since Brundle came in the team 'only' five races later. What is your take on that guys?

which site is this?

#14822 Igorr

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Posted 21 October 2011 - 23:54

Actually, this is a very valid question. It is the first time I hear(my ignorance I am sure) that he was reminded(?)from the pit several(?) times not to use the throttle under braking. It has always been a basic part of his driving style, and if he cannot do that, it explains a lot to me. It is well known that he loses time to NR during cornering. I always thought that to be contradictory. It was one of the key factors enabling him to get around the flaws of a racing car.
Very old vid, but still valid:


everyone who has raced in karts or other category, will knows that its very hard to change driving styles and be very quick at the same time. Im pretty sure Michael is better than all of us combined, but he is still a human, not a robot, so my opinion is that next year the rules will play into his hands.

#14823 ivand911

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 06:40

which site is this?

http://en.mclarenf-1...=results&gp=851
http://en.mclarenf-1.com/


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Posted 22 October 2011 - 08:02

I'm sure we can find some evidence on that McLaren-Eng-site thingy, in laptimes, for Turkey 2006 :)

Btw, new discussion point, since Schumacher most of the time has been accused of being preferred by the team over his teammate. Of course he has done a lot of that on merit, and enforced it, but there are still people who think that game was already going on in 1992. My question, how much was he given an advantage in 1992? I think if it's the case at all, it wouldn't be that much since Brundle came in the team 'only' five races later. What is your take on that guys?

My take is that it makes no sense. Why put all your eggs in a a thoroughly unproven basket? Michael had certainly looked promising at the back end of '91, but not at an unprecedented level, so I don't see the logic in unprecedented treatment. Seems far more likely to me that what preferential treatment he got over the years was a result of his performances, not the other way round.

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Posted 22 October 2011 - 09:42

My take is that it makes no sense. Why put all your eggs in a a thoroughly unproven basket? Michael had certainly looked promising at the back end of '91, but not at an unprecedented level, so I don't see the logic in unprecedented treatment. Seems far more likely to me that what preferential treatment he got over the years was a result of his performances, not the other way round.


I'd agree, in 1992 he was treated pretty equal to Brundle... to the extent that it even showed. There was little between the two in race pace, with just a little more luck Brundle could have walked away from that season with two wins in Canada and Spa (at the expense of Schumacher). He was always a pretty sh*t qualifier, though.

#14826 cheapracer

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Posted 24 October 2011 - 16:22

I'd agree, in 1992 he was treated pretty equal to Brundle... to the extent that it even showed. There was little between the two in race pace, with just a little more luck Brundle could have walked away from that season with two wins in Canada and Spa (at the expense of Schumacher). He was always a pretty sh*t qualifier, though.


Indeed, I liked Brundle, maybe the driver who would be the number one (as in driving skills) on a "unlucky driver career" list. Included in that lack of luck was having Briatore for a boss who obviously didn't gel with him.

How he never won a GP is one of those bizzare parts of F1 history and on track in equal cars is the only true teammate match to MS.


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Posted 24 October 2011 - 19:45

Then he stepped into one of the shittiest cars mclaren ever made with Hakkinnen as a team mate.

#14828 ivand911

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 14:13

Schumacher believes Buddh circuit could help Mercedes enjoy stronger weekend
http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/95693
I also think they have best chance here of all three races left. Fingers crossed.

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 18:38

schumi interview on indian channel



#14830 merschu

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 20:28

Michael Schumacher & Ralf Schumacher in the making of the SLS AMG Roadster Photo Shoot.

Michael atleast to me actually looks younger than Ralf in this video!




Some Michael Schumacher interviews with Indian news channels.




Edited by merschu, 27 October 2011 - 20:40.


#14831 as65p

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Posted 27 October 2011 - 23:33

Indeed, I liked Brundle, maybe the driver who would be the number one (as in driving skills) on a "unlucky driver career" list. Included in that lack of luck was having Briatore for a boss who obviously didn't gel with him.

How he never won a GP is one of those bizzare parts of F1 history and on track in equal cars is the only true teammate match to MS.


I'd like to agree with you, but as you were so sensitive to that last time, I don't really dare... :smoking:

#14832 ivand911

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 06:52

Ralf is commentator for RTL this week. Maybe he is replacing Lauda for some races like last year. And he did good job.

#14833 ivand911

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:05

What is MS doing? 6 laps, really?

#14834 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:17

Chillin like a villain? :D

#14835 Richardc

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:18

I never understand that on new tracks. Surely the more laps = the quicker you go, he's only on 29 in total. I'd want as many as possible.

#14836 ali.unal

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 09:20

Obviously he had a problem.

32 min: Schumacher aborted that lap and comes back into the pits. Clearly, the German is unhappy about something in that Mercedes.

#14837 Kubiccia

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 18:59

Mercedes already screwing with Schumi.

He had almost no valid time untill 30 minutes to the end of FP2. :down:

#14838 TheBunk

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 19:04

Mercedes already screwing with Schumi.

He had almost no valid time untill 30 minutes to the end of FP2. :down:



No, I think they are working very hard on next season. Typical shumi style. The opposition better be prepared for a super quick Merc & Schumacehr in 2012. If not, Merc better quit F1.

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 19:14

schumi interview on indian channel



Hmmm....Bridgestone tires!


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Posted 28 October 2011 - 22:53

Hmmm....Bridgestone tires!

What do you mean, I just watched the video and have no idea what you're on about sorry. :rotfl: Could you explain please, maybe I'm missing something here. :p

#14841 as65p

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 23:15

Ralf is commentator for RTL this week. Maybe he is replacing Lauda for some races like last year. And he did good job.


Oh dear, please don't let that happen next year, when I'll be forced to watch RTL again. :mad:

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Posted 28 October 2011 - 23:15

What do you mean, I just watched the video and have no idea what you're on about sorry. :rotfl: Could you explain please, maybe I'm missing something here. :p

The tire you can see at 0:12 is a Bridgestone one!

#14843 Tardis40

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 03:49

What do you mean, I just watched the video and have no idea what you're on about sorry. :rotfl: Could you explain please, maybe I'm missing something here. :p


No, it's just the cartoon at the beginning of the video lol


#14844 Jomyboy

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 04:21

He is shown driving the GP2 car with Bridgestone sponsorship

#14845 ivand911

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 06:50

Oh dear, please don't let that happen next year, when I'll be forced to watch RTL again. :mad:

He is commenting before and after the race. And he is doing OK I think. He have experience you know. He is better than EJ for sure. But, for how long I don't know. He replaced Lauda for two races last year I think.


#14846 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 06:51

I'm quite skeptical about Q3 today. From 10th to 16th they're all within 0.27. Not to mention that between 11 and 15 they're all within less than one tenth.

And FI looking really strong.

#14847 ivand911

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 06:56

I'm quite skeptical about Q3 today. From 10th to 16th they're all within 0.27. Not to mention that between 11 and 15 they're all within less than one tenth.

And FI looking really strong.

I would like the cleaner side of the track. And I am not exactly sure where this is. The racing line is very strange. From one side to the other.


#14848 Tarzaan

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 07:22

http://www.sport.de/...als-schumi.html

Very pathetic from Nico. Act like Barichello...

#14849 Massa

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 07:34

Yes, pathetic, he said this because he know in reality Schumacher this year is faster. Rosberg is under pressure.

Edited by Massa, 29 October 2011 - 07:35.


#14850 ivand911

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 08:52

:mad: :mad: