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#14901 faaaz

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:16

I do agree with him in regards to the field being "one of the best" he has seen. Personally I think its not as good as the mid to late 80s, but much better than the 90s or early 00s.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:29

http://www.mid-day.c...kie-Stewart.htm

This is piece of trash you get when everyone gets to write for a paper these days. "Proof" that Steward is spot-on about his blabbing is in result where Schumacher finished - 21st? Get of you high white horse, will you? Schumacher had problem with the car and that has f*** off to do with his ability to drive in F1, but that of course will not stop you to continue decades long journey of denigration of this German driver. I think this go beyond normal criticism, and we are witnessing not so well hidden racism.


Oh please, why don't you grow up? 'Hidden racism'......what a load of horse manure. The man is a 3 times WDC and has more insight than any of you armchair enthusiasts. Every time ANYONE voices an opinion about MS you all jump about thrashing around like kids who've had their toys taken away from them.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:33

Again vibrations? If you know that this is an excuse, perhaps you can explain how do you know it. NK has received penalty for impeding Schumacher during quali. That's the fact. What do you have? (He also hit the kerbs and damaged floor -> affected downforce).


I did not say it was an excuse. I am just saying it was a vibration issue again as Micheal has said in all interviews. Its funny how the team cant get to the bottom of it.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 12:58

The Mercedes isn't capable of a podium, if you keep being too optimistic, well I'm afraid you're going to be letting yourself in for disappointment.


I'm not aiming on podium. In this season all I want is constantly finishing ahead of Nico and Massa(because he has the pace to do that). So 6th place if nobody goes out of the race of the top 3 teams.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 13:25

I did not say it was an excuse. I am just saying it was a vibration issue again as Micheal has said in all interviews. Its funny how the team cant get to the bottom of it.



The team is still using a car that ultimately isn't the best out there, or top 3, there's been slow movement in getting new people onboard, Rosberg has fine tuned his weekends to maximise on qualifying, Schuey the other way around, and in terms of this year, at least DRS/KERS issue has been less. But Schumacher today expected to be closer in qualifying, given the nature of this year and past 2 years, it''s not surprising, but were not expecting giant leaps from the team for the last races, the next car will hopefully and it must be good enough to be predictable throughout the whole weekend/flexiable for all sessions, even ferrari have had trouble with this, Mclaren are close, redbull have served up a golden goose. The Ferrari Schumacher was apart of, didn't fire on all cylnders straight away, and didn't have the competition were seeing now, so it's going to take longer then expected, and Schumacher knows that, although sooner is better then later, he's more patient then people give him credit for. He expected more from this team/car this year, but whining about it isn't going to improve things, you can see in his quotes in the last races, things are pushing ahead, but all these gp weekends are still tried to the work carried out last winter, that's the source, a new weewkend won't change life for these people in the way fans would want, redbull have been pushing the employees rule, that can't go on for longer, there are alot of positive things to come, but no doubt it's going to take longer then expected.

Edited by SeanValen, 29 October 2011 - 13:31.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 14:09

Top 3 teams will be way ahead, Massa couldn't improve because he destroy the car. Button slow down because of Massa according to MW and still get 1:24.9! So, tomorrow the start will be important and there will be battle for 7th. STR and FI have good pace too.

Edited by ivand911, 29 October 2011 - 14:13.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 14:41

Another race Schumi couldn't reach q3! Trouble with tyres? :drunk:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 14:46

Out of interest, it's probably been said in other threads but hey ho, what happens to Massa? Is he allowed to have his car repaired and start from wherever it is he qualified or does he have to start from the pitlane?

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 15:01

Out of interest, it's probably been said in other threads but hey ho, what happens to Massa? Is he allowed to have his car repaired and start from wherever it is he qualified or does he have to start from the pitlane?

Yes they will repair the car and he will start 6th.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 15:46

Another race Schumi couldn't reach q3! Trouble with tyres? :drunk:

wether it was tyres or not he needs to stop listening to whoever is telling him not to go out and stay out setting times...

most other top teams were out on hard tyres doing 5+ laps where as merc do the usual BS set a time , go back in the garage come out with barely any time to set a lap and expect a miracle.

it doesnt take a rocket scientist to realise a severly dusty track is going to get faster and faster and faster and faster everytime someone goes around

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 16:01

http://www.motorspor...a_11102950.html

Ross Brawn:

"We have a test rig to test the tyres, unfortunately we don't have it here with us."

"This could be a major problem in the race. We got to make sure that the tyres are okay tomorrow."


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#14912 zelpre

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 16:19

Top 3 teams will be way ahead, Massa couldn't improve because he destroy the car. Button slow down because of Massa according to MW and still get 1:24.9! So, tomorrow the start will be important and there will be battle for 7th. STR and FI have good pace too.


I am expecting better pace in the race tomorrow. They said that they are better in race than in qualy...

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 16:40

Whats up with this vibration thing again.... does someone keep droping a vibrator in MS tires?

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 16:45

OK, they don't have this rig to test the balance of the tyres. I hope they will now check it with Pirelli to see if they are balanced right? You can cause vibration very easily, just take the weight sticker from the right place and put it on different place. And tyres will vibrate on the car. Also new tyres don't give you more grip according to the article. They just last longer.

Edited by ivand911, 29 October 2011 - 16:50.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:12

Oh please, why don't you grow up? 'Hidden racism'......what a load of horse manure. The man is a 3 times WDC and has more insight than any of you armchair enthusiasts. Every time ANYONE voices an opinion about MS you all jump about thrashing around like kids who've had their toys taken away from them.


Yep a 3 times WDC, now with the insight thing, care to point me to a quote of respect from a 3 times WDC to a 7 times WDC?

There is no such quote to find, Stewart is a biased prick who, like Moss, has never let up on Schumacher since Adelaide '94 (which is ridiculous considering Damon himself has gotten past it) and and no other way in life to get the attention he so desperately seeks and a sad thing to see for one of the greatest drivers ever and IMO the greatest British driver ever.

Compare his recent comments on Schumacher and then on Hamilton to see the glaring difference.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:31

OK, they don't have this rig to test the balance of the tyres. I hope they will now check it with Pirelli to see if they are balanced right? You can cause vibration very easily, just take the weight sticker from the right place and put it on different place. And tyres will vibrate on the car. Also new tyres don't give you more grip according to the article. They just last longer.

Well that's quite obviously not true. I'm not saying it didn't say that I'm saying they're wrong if it does.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:39

Oh please, why don't you grow up? 'Hidden racism'......what a load of horse manure. The man is a 3 times WDC and has more insight than any of you armchair enthusiasts. Every time ANYONE voices an opinion about MS you all jump about thrashing around like kids who've had their toys taken away from them.


But I am all grown up; article, Stewart' comments are unjust, uncalled for, and indefensible.

Edited by Sakae, 29 October 2011 - 17:42.


#14918 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:49

Yep a 3 times WDC, now with the insight thing, care to point me to a quote of respect from a 3 times WDC to a 7 times WDC?

There is no such quote to find, Stewart is a biased prick who, like Moss, has never let up on Schumacher since Adelaide '94 (which is ridiculous considering Damon himself has gotten past it) and and no other way in life to get the attention he so desperately seeks and a sad thing to see for one of the greatest drivers ever and IMO the greatest British driver ever.

Compare his recent comments on Schumacher and then on Hamilton to see the glaring difference.


There is an agenda with Schumacher on Stewart's part. Hamilton gets a free pass while Schumacher bears the brunt of criticism.

Perhaps Schumacher kicked so much ass for so long that the majority of the F1 paddock is still hurting.

#14919 Ragingjamaican

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:51

It's well known that Stewart doesn't like Senna or Schumacher, and doesn't rank either of the two in his list of top 5 world drivers.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:56

There is an agenda with Schumacher on Stewart's part. Hamilton gets a free pass while Schumacher bears the brunt of criticism.

Perhaps Schumacher kicked so much ass for so long that the majority of the F1 paddock is still hurting.

I'm sure Schumacher lost his sleep because of that. :p
But it's nuisance and I'm wondering wasn't Mosley right after all a couple of years ago. :confused:

#14921 SeanValen

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 17:59

There is an agenda with Schumacher on Stewart's part. Hamilton gets a free pass while Schumacher bears the brunt of criticism.

Perhaps Schumacher kicked so much ass for so long that the majority of the F1 paddock is still hurting.



And Schumacher is back, they know he's fast again, and can potenitally go for more.

I remember Jackie Stewart saying back in 2002/2003/2004, when Michael was winning alot, "you should not be too greedy." I like Stewart alot for what he did and does for driver safety when he speaks about safety, but I think there has to be some kind of envy for these guys, otherwise why give advice to someone like Michael who knows what he enjoys in life, likes a challlenge, enjoys the sport, why give advice when to retire, sooner or later, you become the guy who is known for telling people to quit what they enjoy, it's quite pathetic really. Usually the guy giving advice-Couthard-Stewart-Brundle, weren't as ruthless on track as they are giving speeches, a different type of ruthlessness then Senna and Schumacher, they didn't want to win as hard, or didn't know how compared to Fanio/Clark in Stewarts case, or in DC's case Schumacher/Brundle Schumacher, so the airwaves/media becomes the racetrack that the actual tracks never could be for them in the way Senna and Schuey took to dedicating themselfs to win.

I wonder had Senna lived, and raced on and on, would he be spoken about differently, especially if guys like Nelson Piquet, Jackie Stewart started to commentate about him on BBC, a what if world surely.


"I'm surprised at you stewart, you of all people shouldl know what it means to be a racing driver, if you no longer go for a gap, you no longer a raciing driver." That press conference with Ayrton and Jackie was telling.


Edited by SeanValen, 29 October 2011 - 18:43.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 18:17

Schumacher was running "Pirleli" tires :lol:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 18:35

There is an agenda with Schumacher on Stewart's part. Hamilton gets a free pass while Schumacher bears the brunt of criticism.

Perhaps Schumacher kicked so much ass for so long that the majority of the F1 paddock is still hurting.



Yep............ Stewart, Lauda, Montoya, Alonso, Prost, Mansell, Barrichello, Hill, Herbert, Moss, Brundle, Coulthard, Villeneuve, Jock Clear, Roebuck, All Of The BBC, all bashers.



Or



Some Schumacher fans are just really bad at handling critisism like an adult.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 18:52

Yep............ Stewart, Lauda, Montoya, Alonso, Prost, Mansell, Barrichello, Hill, Herbert, Moss, Brundle, Coulthard, Villeneuve, Jock Clear, Roebuck, All Of The BBC, all bashers.



Or



Some Schumacher fans are just really bad at handling critisism like an adult.


Oh, c'mon, Sir Jackie is a giant prick, he is when he is right, and he still is when he is wrong, who the hell cares a what he says?? It is quite clear MS has problems, but Stewart? Meh.

Edited by Szoelloe, 29 October 2011 - 18:52.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 19:16

Oh, c'mon, Sir Jackie is a giant prick, he is when he is right, and he still is when he is wrong, who the hell cares a what he says?? It is quite clear MS has problems, but Stewart? Meh.

Not me.
I just want MS to finish the race for once. Would be nice change.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 19:25

Yep............ Stewart, Lauda, Montoya, Alonso, Prost, Mansell, Barrichello, Hill, Herbert, Moss, Brundle, Coulthard, Villeneuve, Jock Clear, Roebuck, All Of The BBC, all bashers.



Or



Some Schumacher fans are just really bad at handling critisism like an adult.


I could not have said it any better. Some of the MS club take it way too personally.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 19:28

Oh, c'mon, Sir Jackie is a giant prick, he is when he is right, and he still is when he is wrong, who the hell cares a what he says?? It is quite clear MS has problems, but Stewart? Meh.


Oh he is is he? Ever seen him race? Ever talked to the man? He's a prick because he pissed in your cheerios about MS? GTFU....

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 19:36

Yep a 3 times WDC, now with the insight thing, care to point me to a quote of respect from a 3 times WDC to a 7 times WDC?

There is no such quote to find, Stewart is a biased prick who, like Moss, has never let up on Schumacher since Adelaide '94 (which is ridiculous considering Damon himself has gotten past it) and and no other way in life to get the attention he so desperately seeks and a sad thing to see for one of the greatest drivers ever and IMO the greatest British driver ever.

Compare his recent comments on Schumacher and then on Hamilton to see the glaring difference.


He's a biased prick desperately seeking attention? Are you for real? Seriously, how old are you, 12? He says something critical about MS and you all go off the deep end. So what if Stewart doesnt respect him, maybe he does maybe he does'nt, I havent had a chance to ask him.....

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 19:53

Do you think we care what old Stewart said? We don't. I don't even see why someone will put link here to his opinions? It is not the question if he respect MS or not. Only question is, if MS respect him? Only valuable question. Only MS is important , he is the only one 7WDC, the last time I check. He don't need lesser champions opinions, or not champions. They give their opinion only to get paid. Poor them. MS can give them 100000 euros each to make them shut up. Because nobody is interested of them, they have to talk about other people. Or how they will get under the spotlight? Lets we talk about Schumacher and people will remember us!! This is how they think.

Edited by ivand911, 29 October 2011 - 20:15.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 20:03

lauda and stewart ar ethe biggest dicks around F1.

people only take them seriously when they are bashing someone you dont like

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 20:26

In life you have two types of people, you have tw*ts and then you have non-tw*ts. One tw*t is Lewis Hamilton, having a whinge in Quali for Schumacher apparently impeding him :lol: Another is Herbert, another is Rubens, another is Jacques, there is also Coulthard, Brundle, Montoya & even Damon depending on whether on the day he's still able to differentiate between bitterness and just sheer stupidity. The link between them all? Work it out for yourself.

Moss has taken it upon himself to be the champion of everything British and anything done to hurt his little children should be burnt at the stake.

Edited by DutchCruijff, 29 October 2011 - 20:27.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 20:57

Do you think we care what old Stewart said? We don't. I don't even see why someone will put link here to his opinions? It is not the question if he respect MS or not. Only question is, if MS respect him? Only valuable question. Only MS is important , he is the only one 7WDC, the last time I check. He don't need lesser champions opinions, or not champions. They give their opinion only to get paid. Poor them. MS can give them 100000 euros each to make them shut up. Because nobody is interested of them, they have to talk about other people. Or how they will get under the spotlight? Lets we talk about Schumacher and people will remember us!! This is how they think.


Whaaaat?......only MS is important.... :rotfl: .......jawohl!

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:01

In life you have two types of people, you have tw*ts and then you have non-tw*ts. One tw*t is Lewis Hamilton, having a whinge in Quali for Schumacher apparently impeding him :lol: Another is Herbert, another is Rubens, another is Jacques, there is also Coulthard, Brundle, Montoya & even Damon depending on whether on the day he's still able to differentiate between bitterness and just sheer stupidity. The link between them all? Work it out for yourself.


The link between them all is me thinks, they've managed to say something offensive (in your eyes) about Herr Schumacher....

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:03

lauda and stewart ar ethe biggest dicks around F1.

people only take them seriously when they are bashing someone you dont like


Somewhere in there I swear there's a double negative..... :rolleyes:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:03

Not me.
I just want MS to finish the race for once. Would be nice change.


Without any incident...

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:29

Whaaaat?......only MS is important.... :rotfl: .......jawohl!

It is his thread, so he is the only one important. You could start JS thread if you want? To discuss old guys problems.

Edited by ivand911, 29 October 2011 - 21:30.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:53

In life you have two types of people, you have tw*ts and then you have non-tw*ts. One tw*t is Lewis Hamilton, having a whinge in Quali for Schumacher apparently impeding him :lol: Another is Herbert, another is Rubens, another is Jacques, there is also Coulthard, Brundle, Montoya & even Damon depending on whether on the day he's still able to differentiate between bitterness and just sheer stupidity. The link between them all? Work it out for yourself.

Moss has taken it upon himself to be the champion of everything British and anything done to hurt his little children should be burnt at the stake.




The link between them all is me thinks, they've managed to say something offensive (in your eyes) about Herr Schumacher....



iIt's not that they've said it, but why they've said it and who they are in the history of f1 which is their lives and the outcome of the class and integrity of these human beings, if you look at all them, they have not made as big as mark as people expected of them, stewart comes off ok because of the era he raced in, but that doesn't quite save him or Moss who has no title to his name.

All the people he menstioned have won 1 title or 0. Having Hamilton whine lately is surprising, but coming off a year where it's been his worst since he came in, it's the important time not to blame other people, and he has, and he hasn't tasted success since 2007, in your young life, 3-4 years has a effect, and he won it after Schumacher retired, while Schumacher's responsible partly for how drivers like Vettel have made it big, so even though Schumi isn't winning, he's winning with his legacy baring fruit into this era, and he's come back anyway, if that wasn't enough to race, and race he has against Hamilton and looked good such as Monza.


Montoya once he realised he wasn't as good as Michael, Kimi, Hakkinen etc, he started to make sure he had racing moments with Schumi, first corner clashes, because these moments would be talked about more then his actual success, and now Montoya's out, and his success mostly was some poles, some gp wins, but mostly of all, his moments with MS. Brundle ultimately was a good teamate to MS, he was a very good driver, but he still lost out to MS, and never got opportunities to further himself in F1, and has admitted he wasn'tfufillled, Johnny Herbert was never the driver he could of been because of his accident back in the late 80s, potentially could of been a top dog from expert's opinions, so for him to race with MS, clearly talented, and overall lose, and see MS rise and become a legend after Senna, there's gotta be some bitterness left there, not that he's got a beef there, because I do think he realses how great MS is, but it's his situation of not having his legs he had before the accident, and he has admitted so, that he would of been as good as Schumi if he had his legs intact.

Couthard, Rubens and Irvine all believed at some point they were as good as anyone, I don't blame them, you need belief, but all of them over time admitted Michael's talents, but during Michael's first career it wasn't as plane to see, when Michael broke his leg at Silverstone 1999, Irvine years latter "admitted it was the greatest day of his life."

Damon Hill has spoken quite complementary of MS in recent years, he admitted he was lucky MS went to ferrari so he could win at williams, he clapped MS in one of those races in 95, put away his own misfortune at Spa 95 to complement MS's drive from the back.

And stewart, I think apart of him must feel a bit envious of the era MS raced in and races in now, it's more safe and less likely for driver deaths, most likely one of the reason Jackie quit f1, so when Michael was winning title after title, Stewart said "you shouldn't be too greedy,", which I interpret as "your lucky you didn't race in my era", which frankly isn't Schuey's fault, Hakkinen's, Vettels etc, but maybe because it was MS who surpassed Fangio first, it got to Stewart and Moss first.


Edited by SeanValen, 29 October 2011 - 21:59.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 21:56

The quality of the discussion has been deteriorating greatly here lately - from both sides. :down:

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:07

The quality of the discussion has been deteriorating greatly here lately - from both sides. :down:



I've seen the quality go up and down over the last 10 years here, I've been visiting since 2001, across many threads and topics. When MS does well there is no debate, just quiet pin drops like a town before zombies come to life, when MS doesn't do well, or one bad day or session, you got alot of mess because he's the best or trying to be the best again. Business as usual, that's how it's always been on atlas f1, for better or worst, it's always been entertainment and great forumers from all sides who never give up the fight until the last lap just like MS himself. :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

:up:

Edited by SeanValen, 29 October 2011 - 22:10.


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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:21

It is his thread, so he is the only one important. You could start JS thread if you want? To discuss old guys problems.


Oh, only in this thread.....:rolleyes: ....maybe you should have been more specific.....we do have a forum for the 'old guys' as it were. It's called TNF, but funnily enough I rarely see that any of you comment there.

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:30

iIt's not that they've said it, but why they've said it and who they are in the history of f1 which is their lives and the outcome of the class and integrity of these human beings, if you look at all them, they have not made as big as mark as people expected of them, stewart comes off ok because of the era he raced in, but that doesn't quite save him or Moss who has no title to his name.
And stewart, I think apart of him must feel a bit envious of the era MS raced in and races in now, it's more safe and less likely for driver deaths, most likely one of the reason Jackie quit f1, so when Michael was winning title after title, Stewart said "you shouldn't be too greedy,", which I interpret as "your lucky you didn't race in my era", which frankly isn't Schuey's fault, Hakkinen's, Vettels etc, but maybe because it was MS who surpassed Fangio first, it got to Stewart and Moss first.


I always get a chuckle when people say Moss wasn't much because he never won a WDC. It sums up for me the ignorance of the sport and its history that some people have. I don't think Stewart is envious of Schumacher in the least little bit, but if that helps you rationalize his comments, then go for it. And I can't really make sense out of your last sentence, are you implying that Stewart and Moss are envious of Schumacher because he surpassed Fangio and not them?

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:39

Another embaressing day for Michael. Mercedes need to step in and repleace him with a quality driver. They have already tolerated Schumachers drastic lack of speed for two seasons, and enough is enough. Im actually surprised Michael has not had the sense to give up. Years ago he used to say, the moment someone quicker than him showed up, he would rather retire than risk himself pushing trying to keep up, yet hes been doing that for 2 seasons. Its not like the gap has been a 1 tenth, its closer to half a second, and thats what you expect from second class pay drivers, who last half a season.

#14943 Szoelloe

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:49

Oh he is is he? Ever seen him race? Ever talked to the man? He's a prick because he pissed in your cheerios about MS? GTFU....


He is. Brilliant driver, decent guy, as far as I know. But poor soul has the brains of a fistful of flies. And simply can"t keep his mouth shut. And no, not because of MS. As I said, I couldn't care less. I am not the one pissed off. I hadn't even read what he said. :)


#14944 Sakae

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 22:54

Whaaaat?......only MS is important.... :rotfl: .......jawohl!

MS gave more exposure to Mercedes in India already, than Steward has with his rambling. From where I sit, it's a good job for one weekend.

#14945 AirWebber

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 23:04

I've seen the quality go up and down over the last 10 years here, I've been visiting since 2001, across many threads and topics. When MS does well there is no debate, just quiet pin drops like a town before zombies come to life, when MS doesn't do well, or one bad day or session, you got alot of mess because he's the best or trying to be the best again. Business as usual, that's how it's always been on atlas f1, for better or worst, it's always been entertainment and great forumers from all sides who never give up the fight until the last lap just like MS himself. :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

You were advised along all those years that MS wouldn't look brilliant without TC and fuel catch tanks  ;)


#14946 as65p

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 23:10

I've seen the quality go up and down over the last 10 years here, I've been visiting since 2001, across many threads and topics. When MS does well there is no debate, just quiet pin drops like a town before zombies come to life, when MS doesn't do well, or one bad day or session, you got alot of mess because he's the best or trying to be the best again. Business as usual, that's how it's always been on atlas f1, for better or worst, it's always been entertainment and great forumers from all sides who never give up the fight until the last lap just like MS himself. :smoking: :smoking: :smoking:

:up:


I'm always surprised how people act as if that behaviour would be somehow remarkable (not only in MS' case). So he gets flak when he perfoms badly. Shocker! What do you want, people critizising him when he excels? :drunk:

#14947 jj2728

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 23:25

MS gave more exposure to Mercedes in India already, than Steward has with his rambling. From where I sit, it's a good job for one weekend.


Hmmmm, Michael Schumacher, as a Mercedes driver has gven more exposure to Mercedes in India this weekend.......well, ok.....but uhmmmm, what does that have to do with anything?

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 23:26

I've been thinking and wondering if Mercedes are just using Michael as a "pay driver" as such. I wonder this because he obviously brings a massive amount of sponsorship to the team and as the team know their car is not competitive enough to challenge for titles they are more than happy to use the money to build the team and let Michael get ordinary/solid results because at the moment an extraordinary driver would not benefit them. Thoughts?

Edited by Schumacher7, 29 October 2011 - 23:27.


#14949 SeanValen

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Posted 29 October 2011 - 23:44

I've been thinking and wondering if Mercedes are just using Michael as a "pay driver" as such. I wonder this because he obviously brings a massive amount of sponsorship to the team and as the team know their car is not competitive enough to challenge for titles they are more than happy to use the money to build the team and let Michael get ordinary/solid results because at the moment an extraordinary driver would not benefit them. Thoughts?




Sponsorship just doesn't make the mercedes budget get any bigger, there is a budget cap.

Ordinary and solid results is not what they were expecting after winter testing, but because they've settled into 4th team mode, doesn't mean they are going to whine about it, put your heads, work hard and move forward, as long as that's happening, with recent appointments, things are looking up.

Michael's race pace is showing whats possible, it's important he came in when he did to learn the sport, learn the team, help the team, and be ready when things pick up for race wins, now it's taken longer then expected, but that's the challenge, its not ideal, but why whine about your job because a result is a long term rather then short term reality,, professionals deal with it differently.

Before Ferrari, there was Mercedes, alot of people probabley think ferrari was the end and all for MS, so for him to come back, there's unfinished business, and he's been on pace this year, in a unigue situation as a retired driver returning, it's not a a common thing amongst f1 teams in the last decade into this one, MS is the exception, he's the only one doing it, there's no comparison right now.


Making progress in this era if you don't start well is very hard, the car must be born well. Right now Newey has scored two seasons of hits, and Vettel is noa pay sriver as much as MS, there's alot of drivers who would get results sat in a redbull, and there's alot of drivers who won't get results in that mercedes, infact alot of drivers who could end up looking worser off then MS and Rosberg at Mercedes in rhis years car.

Another part in this is that, MS enjoys help building up a team, rather then coming into something already up and running, he's used to the process, especially in ferrari's early days.



I'm always surprised how people act as if that behaviour would be somehow remarkable (not only in MS' case). So he gets flak when he perfoms badly. Shocker! What do you want, people critizising him when he excels? :drunk:



People crticise him when he wins and loses, he's box office, it's why he's popular, I'm stating a fact, and your reply just proves it again, thanks. :D :wave:



Edited by SeanValen, 30 October 2011 - 00:20.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 00:04

You were advised along all those years that MS wouldn't look brilliant without TC and fuel catch tanks ;)

that's why he beaten Senna?