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#15051 arknor

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:34

I heard Michael said something specific about the vibration issue yesterday - something about 40 grams (?). Did anyone see/hear the interview?

aparently hamilton complained about vibration on his second stint tyres in the race and thats why he was only matching or slightly slower than nico and msc

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#15052 F1Champion

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:36

MS didn't use KERS at the start, saved all for the straight. BRILLIANT :clap: :up:

I was wondering about this, he was behind(?) the Toro Rosso's after the first corner yet was ahead and behind Nico by the second lap.

#15053 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:36

Yeah, 14 grams(maybe 40grams, I don't speak Deutsch like you) more on the tyre in Korea. I only understand F1 Deutsch.

Edited by ivand911, 30 October 2011 - 11:40.


#15054 mani1

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:38

Would love to see onboard start on Schumi!



#15055 Sof1

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:42

Would love to see onboard start on Schumi!


:up:

#15056 Richardc

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:46

He's looking happy in the interview. No boasting. He's explained his early stratergy, not bothering to keep up with rosberg and save his pace for later.

#15057 Disgrace

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:49

Why does he suck in qualifying? With his rocket starts, he could muscle his way past the top six and cause havoc and some good racing. As it is, he is using them just to recover the ground to the point he should have already been at.

Edited by Disgrace, 30 October 2011 - 11:49.


#15058 Lelouch

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:51

Why does he suck in qualifying? With his rocket starts, he could muscle his way past the top six and cause havoc and some good racing. As it is, he is using them just to recover the ground to the point he should have already been at.


Yeah : /
It would be great to see those starts from P7 every now and then, it's such a shame..

#15059 Diablobb81

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:51

Why does he suck in qualifying? With his rocket starts, he could muscle his way past the top six and cause havoc and some good racing. As it is, he is using them just to recover the ground to the point he should have already been at.


He said he doesn't understand why the big difference in quali (even taking in account different setups, tire problems). He said in race he can easily match Nico.

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#15060 KavB

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:54

Michael may not return to his peak, but he's doing great now! I really think he could fight for wins, and possibly a title if he gets a good car next year.

#15061 mani1

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 11:59

Someone please post Schumis interview and onboard start!!

#15062 Urawa

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:05

Ralf said that´s not the result you would expect after claiming that you´re the faster driver.
Since Spa, his worst race when finishing the race was 6th (and 3x 5th).

#15063 salamin

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:05

What did he say? :)

And the trend is clear now, last year he was behind Rosberg, this year he is turning that around and i can't wait to see what next year will bring.


MS was clearly faster today, and NR needs to watch what he is saying in the media (while chuckling)

#15064 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:07

Why does he suck in qualifying? With his rocket starts, he could muscle his way past the top six and cause havoc and some good racing. As it is, he is using them just to recover the ground to the point he should have already been at.



Maybe he use less downforce, which is bad in one lap but better in a race pace (less fuel, better top speed, save the tyres).

#15065 Sevach

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:22

Why does he suck in qualifying?


That's the million dollar question right now, i can't understand it either...


#15066 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:24

I think Petrov rob us in Korea from the same result. MS was around 7 sec behind Nico ,and we know how Nico pace drop in the end. 100% Michael would finish ahead of Nico there.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:27

I think Petrov rob us in Korea from the same result. MS was around 7 sec behind Nico ,and we know how Nico pace drop in the end. 100% Michael would finish ahead of Nico there.


would have been a bit harder, but looking how much time Nico lost there while he was fighting the Ferraris for nothing, quite likely yes.

#15068 mani1

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:28

I think Petrov rob us in Korea from the same result. MS was around 7 sec behind Nico ,and we know how Nico pace drop in the end. 100% Michael would finish ahead of Nico there.


:up:

#15069 spa2000overtake

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:32

Master race from Schumacher and the passing Rosberg in the pits and getting 5 place was lovely. :up:

#15070 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:33

Excellent race! Just what I was hoping for a few pages back. :p

#15071 Disgrace

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:34

I think Petrov rob us in Korea from the same result. MS was around 7 sec behind Nico ,and we know how Nico pace drop in the end. 100% Michael would finish ahead of Nico there.


Undoubtedly, but Michael has lost more points with needless collisions of his own making with such midfield racers.

#15072 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:40

What was the BBC herd's reaction about Schumi's race? :)

#15073 baddog

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:44

Undoubtedly, but Michael has lost more points with needless collisions of his own making with such midfield racers.

He has also lost more from mechanicals and team errors by a very long way. On race performance he is a chunk of points ahead over the year. This stuff isnt going to carry on saving Nico's ass, and neither is qualy woes. If the next two races carry on the trend then well..

#15074 sharo

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:45

I think Petrov rob us in Korea from the same result. MS was around 7 sec behind Nico ,and we know how Nico pace drop in the end. 100% Michael would finish ahead of Nico there.

The trend is seen also in Singapore, only it was Michael who lost through his own fault. But as long as this is not a crucial championship fight, I'm glad he's coming to grips with the car in the races more and more.
Don't forget that we are speaking about a car which is best of the rest but quite limited in comparison to the leaders.

#15075 cheapracer

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:45

MS was clearly faster today, and NR needs to watch what he is saying in the media (while chuckling)


Wasn't faster, would be silly for anyone to say he is but MS clearly packaged the race better though and a faster race time is what counts, not lap times.


Please Mercedes it's time to deliver a competitive car.



Wow, I bet they didn't think of that, I'll pass your suggestion on immediately...

Edited by cheapracer, 30 October 2011 - 12:47.


#15076 KWSN - DSM

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:46

Why does he suck in qualifying? With his rocket starts, he could muscle his way past the top six and cause havoc and some good racing. As it is, he is using them just to recover the ground to the point he should have already been at.


Despite him holding the record of Pole Positions, I do not think he ever was a true qualifying driver, the current tire rules mandate that you do not wring your tires during qualifying, and he is not able to make the best of qualifying as it currently works. Were he able to take a set of tires and pound laps for Q1, Q2 and Q3 then start the race with a new fresh set of the compound he used in Q3, he would be closer to Nico. I am not sure that he would be dominant, since I actually think highly of Nico, however it would be a more even performance.

Once the race starts he has race craft as good as anyone out there, and he continue to make good starts, which negate the 'poor' qualifying.

:cool:


#15077 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:50

The trend is seen also in Singapore, only it was Michael who lost through his own fault. But as long as this is not a crucial championship fight, I'm glad he's coming to grips with the car in the races more and more.
Don't forget that we are speaking about a car which is best of the rest but quite limited in comparison to the leaders.

Yeah, Singapore was the same thing like Korea. MS was one car behind Nico(2-3 sec). He then make mistake, but trend is well seen.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:54

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.

#15079 umapathypon

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 12:58

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.

By the time Rosberg pitted, his lead was down to either 2.3 or 1.6s(i dont remember exactly) and was going down with each lap. He had to pit and he had to take on the harder tyres for the last stint which were slower to start with and Michael went even faster in the next few laps and that was it. Pretty simple really.

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#15080 sanW10

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:00

This explains MS :cool:
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great race, again.

#15081 arknor

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:09

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.


interesting game.... love to know what makes people think di resta can do any better.. is he beating his team mate in races yet?

Edited by arknor, 30 October 2011 - 13:10.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:11

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.

And who should take the slower driver's seat in that case?

#15083 salamin

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:13

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.


Brawn "Nico's 2nd set of tyres were degrading quicker, while MS was able to keep on going to get 5th "

Haug: "MS's start, and his constant 2nd stint made it possible to finish ahead of NR"



#15084 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:29

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.



:down:

di Resta is highly overrated

Edited by Tarzaan, 30 October 2011 - 13:29.


#15085 TheBunk

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:32

"At the start, everything worked out according to my strategy as I deliberately didn't want to use KERS in the first two corners and save it for the long straight where I knew that I could make up some positions.
""

He da man! :up:

#15086 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:45

MS deserve 10/10 from Autosport and AMuS. Driver of the race.

Edited by ivand911, 30 October 2011 - 13:46.


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Posted 30 October 2011 - 13:53

Yep a 3 times WDC, now with the insight thing, care to point me to a quote of respect from a 3 times WDC to a 7 times WDC?

There is no such quote to find, Stewart is a biased prick who, like Moss, has never let up on Schumacher since Adelaide '94 (which is ridiculous considering Damon himself has gotten past it) and and no other way in life to get the attention he so desperately seeks and a sad thing to see for one of the greatest drivers ever and IMO the greatest British driver ever.

Compare his recent comments on Schumacher and then on Hamilton to see the glaring difference.


This took less than 30 seconds to find.

Stop being so sensitive sweetie :kiss:

http://www.thefreeli...ant.-a076544900

'He will rewrite the record books,' said the three-time former champion.

'He is driving for the best team in Formula One right now as they have been proving with their reliability, their speed and their technology.

'If you are doing that then you are going to win race after race after race if you are of the talent that Michael Schumacher is. He is the most talented grand prix driver in the world.

'Some drivers will say that's not true and given that car I could do x, y and z but I don't think that is true. I think he is the best.



#15088 Boing 2

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 14:05

Oh, c'mon, Sir Jackie is a giant prick, he is when he is right, and he still is when he is wrong, who the hell cares a what he says?? It is quite clear MS has problems, but Stewart? Meh.


He has a strong opinion about intimidatory driving styles which is totally understandable given how many of his friends he buried due to accidents on a race track. MS has a habit of falling back on these tactics throughout his career so he tends to get critisised by Stewart. It clearly isn't personal as I've heard JYS praise the guy more often than critisise him.



#15089 F1Champion

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 14:29

Undoubtedly, but Michael has lost more points with needless collisions of his own making with such midfield racers.


Undoubtedly, he would be further ahead and it would cement that he has outperformed Nico in the races. In the races he was out he was catching Rosberg in a lot of them. I tend to think that the race pace emerges after the first stop. When the fuel load drops he tends to get alot quicker.

Qualifying is hurting him because he can't get the tyres up to temp/get the best performance out of them over 1 lap. It is a science, there is a specific amount of energy that you need to put through them to get the best out of them but its a matter of trial and error without the benefit of testing.

Edited by F1Champion, 30 October 2011 - 14:31.


#15090 repeatoffender

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 14:29

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.



Yeah the trolls have started, Frankly none cares about NR he is just the other driver which can be replaced by anyone.



Yeah Paul Di Resta(another Brit hype) can have MS's toilet seat!

Btw you can see the other Brit hype(LH) spiraling down race after race.

#15091 D.M.N.

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 14:30

Good race from Schumi, and proof that bad Qualifying position does not equal bad race performance. :up:

#15092 Group B

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 14:30

MSC is driving much better but lets be honest the timing of Rosenberg's pits stop gifted the Position to Schumacher ----- Mercedes PR at work ? I can't help but think Mercedes should have Di Resta in the old man's seat.

Well, I suppose Di Resta may as well be shown up by Rosberg as Sutil.

Edited by Group B, 30 October 2011 - 14:31.


#15093 Tardis40

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 15:18

Another superior performance with inferior equipment!


#15094 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 16:26

Any on board of his first lap? :)

Edited by Tarzaan, 30 October 2011 - 16:26.


#15095 ivand911

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 18:19

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#15096 Tarzaan

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 18:45

As I wrote in the versus thread Schumacher is the only driver in this season who can finish in the Top5 (except the big 3's drivers). MS did it four times.

#15097 Urawa

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 18:49

As I wrote in the versus thread Schumacher is the only driver in this season who can finish in the Top5 (except the big 3's drivers). MS did it four times.


true, he delivered the peak results this year.
to finish ahead of Nico in the standings, a wet weekend/race in interlagos is necessary I believe, otherwise his 8th place in the standings is pretty much confirmed.

#15098 Scotracer

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 18:52

As I wrote in the versus thread Schumacher is the only driver in this season who can finish in the Top5 (except the big 3's drivers). MS did it four times.


What about Nico in China?

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 18:54

to finish ahead of Nico in the standings, a wet weekend/race in interlagos is necessary I believe, otherwise his 8th place in the standings is pretty much confirmed.


Even if MS does not score more points than NS in the end I don't think any reasonable MS fan would really be upset about it given the DNF numbers and the thrend of MS race performances this year compared to NR.


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#15100 ali.unal

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Posted 30 October 2011 - 19:02

As I wrote in the versus thread Schumacher is the only driver in this season who can finish in the Top5 (except the big 3's drivers). MS did it four times.

Well, with all due respect to the great guy, Nico also finished in 5th in China and Turkey.

However, to put your argument into perspective, Michael also managed to take the 4th spot in Canada, which was very respectable as well.

All in all, Shumacher seems to be on top of tyre issues this year. Performances of Rosberg and Scumacher are not lights years different from each other, but a few things here and there made all the difference. Last year, it was Nico and this year it is Michael. I wonder what if Michael can sort the one-lap problem out, he may well increase that small advantage to Rosberg.

He learned how to treat tyres and he learnt how to use them. Today's performance from 11th on the grid to 5th is remarkable. Well done.