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#15501 Wettham

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 19:37

I think it best to wait and see. It s much more car setup and also tire conservation. If Schumi was supposedly worse last year and I think this is a general consensus, then at this same track last year he outqualifyed nico. 2011 Schumi is .9 slower a year later? I think not.

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#15502 HaPe

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 19:49

Numbers don't lie :cool:

Interesting.
How about these numbers:

Championship standing with old point system: 10,6,4,3,2,1

Nico 7
Schumi 11

Edited by HaPe, 12 November 2011 - 19:51.


#15503 HaPe

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 19:53

In my book it is three non-fault DNF's :

AUS : Suspension
MON: Engine
HUN : Gearbox

He meant/said 2 more non-fault = 2 more than Rosberg has.  ;)

Edited by HaPe, 12 November 2011 - 19:54.


#15504 jjpm

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 22:31

He meant/said 2 more non-fault = 2 more than Rosberg has. ;)


Yup, my mistake!  ;)

#15505 britishtrident

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 22:57

And still only one place difference.


To put together two well known quotes;
"A week is a long time in politics" and a "second is a long time in motor racing".



#15506 george1981

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Posted 12 November 2011 - 23:15

I was wondering what Michael's strategy would be for the start, will he save his KERS for the first long straight rather than using it at the start. It seemed to work well last time, but the first long straight is a lot further away at this track.

#15507 Lantern

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 00:09

Hey guys. I'm very sorry if this has been mentioned. But why isn't Button trashed nearly like Schumacher? He is regularly beaten and several spots behind Hamilton yet at the end of the race he's ahead or right behind lewis. Is this not the same thing that Schumi has done this year with Nico?


It just seems that there's a premium on racecraft these days due to the drs and kers systems. There's no longer a terrible penalty for a driver to set a car up for the race as opposed to outright qualy pace due to it being easier to get by guys that have a slick qualifying lap during the race. Before if you set a car up for the race that could finish 4th but that car could only qualy 10th you would be LUCKY to get back to 7th or 8th.

#15508 jj2728

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 00:23

Thing of it is, Schumacher and Mercedes-Benz know they don't have the best car, but they have years upon years of racecraft experience. They are going to be a force (and a very strong one at that) to be reckoned with once they get all the kinks worked out. Signing Rosberg keeps a continuity within the team and I'm sure Nico is learning quite a bit from the 7 times WDC. I've been known to wind people up and I cannot stand the rampant 'fanboyism", but give the man his due, he's highly capable of winning multiple GPs again and along with Rosberg taking the Silver Arrows to the top.

#15509 fieraku

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 00:26

Because generally he's faster.

You don't get it, faster doesn't make you a race winner (mind you it doesn't hurt either).

Been plenty of pairings where the slower driver has beaten the faster guy in the final standings - races, and further championships, are not decided in one lap, there is more to being a successful GP driver than just pure speed.


Schu is a genius,he knows he won't be higher than 6th in Q so he sets up his car heavily towards the race,he relies on his supreme starts and first lap prowess to make up the 3-4 spots and it's game on from there.

He will make one hell of a TP in the future.

#15510 Tenmantaylor

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 01:45

What relavance does Schumachers indian tent building skills have?

#15511 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 07:16

To put together two well known quotes;
"A week is a long time in politics" and a "second is a long time in motor racing".


Generally yes.


But in this case 1 sec is still only one place.Mercedes is in a place of their own, so compared to the rest of the grid 1 sec is meaningless. He didn't lose any place except for his teammate. And it was pretty clear that Rosberg is generally faster over 1 lap and especially at this circuit.

Michael also said that he did save tires. So this means that he either used one set for more laps or didn't really push with the sets he used.

This is another track which favors Nico (like he said). Hopefully on race pace it ends up like Singapore. :)

Edited by Diablobb81, 13 November 2011 - 07:17.


#15512 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 08:21

Did anyone see interview with MS yesterday? On RTL they didn't interview him. And this is for the first time as I remember. But, he was there in interview circle. Did he have some problems with RTL?
It was mentioned before that MS did the equal time in Q with FP2. Did anyone from you think they slept since then and if he wanted he couldn't do better? On the radio they tell him that he need 1:40.5 to stay in Q3 and he did it. Why they will tell him that target when they know that Nico can do 1:39.4? Because they have different strategy. He wasn't fighting Nico, he was doing his thing. If they wanted 1:39.4 they just have to set up the car differently. But, they didn't wanted 1:39 in the Q. They set up their car for different Q times.
We can compare Nico and Michael if they drive one car and to see who will make the best lap with it. Not tyre savings, all out. Or even if they drive their cars, but with the purpose to set the best possible lap. Not thinking about race afterwards.
I agree that they need to change Q rules. Now there isn't any excitement in Q3 especially.
Lets see if their weekend work will paid off today. Have to be very hard to drive this cars/tyres. That you can't push to 100%. You need to have big self-discipline.
Give them qualifying tyres.
About Button/Shumi question ,the answer is Button find himself in another place in F1 column. You don't have Petrov, Koba, Perez there. Best MS friends. If MS didn't have this incidents he would be ahead of Nico by now. On the other side Lewis also have a lot of incidents this year. Button, stay out of the trouble, where Lewis have found Massa, Maldonado, Koba. So, Lewis and MS give their team mates this advantage. And Button have very good season too, Nico not so much.

Edited by ivand911, 13 November 2011 - 08:48.


#15513 zelpre

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:24

Not on the clean side of the grid...But let's do it! This is the most important race so far in this season for Michael. Best of luck Michael!

#15514 HaPe

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 12:33

This is the most important race so far in this season for Michael.

Why? :confused:


#15515 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:07

Touches Rosberg & Massa on the first lap, he really needs to judge his moves/positioning better.

#15516 Richardc

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:24

Lets hope he is doing his general slow stint 1 for a reason.

#15517 arknor

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:26

Lets hope he is doing his general slow stint 1 for a reason.

i suspect not

#15518 Richardc

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:27

So do i, but there is some hope.

#15519 Urawa

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:27

still no speed in the mid sector by the look of it

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#15520 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:28

i suspect not


I hope he is.



#15521 Richardc

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:31

His lap times are terrible, i missed the start - are they on the same tyres? Maybe KERS agian?

#15522 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:32

MS tyres are finished. What he wait?

#15523 arknor

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:32

looks like his tyres are now dead but merc wont pit him before rosberg i expect :rolleyes:

#15524 Urawa

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:32

His lap times are terrible, i missed the start - are they on the same tyres? Maybe KERS agian?


at least it looks like the straight line speed is as bad as yesterday

#15525 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:33

He's pitted and lost a place to Sutil, this isn't good.

#15526 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:34

Slow pitstop?

#15527 arknor

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:34

He's pitted and lost a place to Sutil, this isn't good.

needed to pit atleast 1-2 laps earlier

#15528 Spa95

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:37

Pace is good now :up:

#15529 Richardc

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:40

still not good enough, is there some cause or is this just a bad weekend?

#15530 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:41

DIR cost MS 2-3sec. What happen in the pit?

Edited by ivand911, 13 November 2011 - 13:41.


#15531 Spa95

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:42

He is matching Rosberg who takes his customary sunday nap. :)

Also:

Schu has changed rear wing on his car, problem with DRS

http://twitter.com/#!/Jamesallenonf1/s...701941488582656

Yet another technical problem for him in qualifying.

Edited by Spa95, 13 November 2011 - 13:43.


#15532 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:44

DIR cost MS 2-3sec. What happen in the pit?

Did anything happen in the pits? I know he lost his place to Sutil before pits.

#15533 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:48

Did anything happen in the pits? I know he lost his place to Sutil before pits.

I thought he lost it in the box?


#15534 Diablobb81

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:50

No, he lost it before. Probably tires were gone.

Too bad about the horrible fist stint.

#15535 ivand911

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:51

No, he lost it before. Probably tires were gone.

Too bad about the horrible fist stint.

He waited 2 laps more. He needed to pit earlier. And to gain 2-3 sec to the Sutil. Big mistake. Sutil is very fast.

Edited by ivand911, 13 November 2011 - 13:53.


#15536 Urawa

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:51

P8 is the max. today

#15537 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:53

Did anyone spot his half-assed move on Massa? Really weird and bemusing considering the distance.

#15538 Kubiccia

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 13:55

Schumacher doing a horrible race to be honest.

#15539 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:04

Reeling in Sutil.

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#15540 Kubiccia

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:07

Sutil holding Schumi now

#15541 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:08

Bye Bye, Sutil.

#15542 spa08

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:23

Bye Bye, Sutil.


Should be bye bye Schumacher :lol:

#15543 DutchCruijff

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:26

Should be bye bye Schumacher :lol:

Hilarious.

#15544 Tarzaan

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:33

Schumi had a little contact with Massa's Ferrari in the first lap.

#15545 FlashMaster

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:35

Pathetic qualy pace and race pace (+20s behind Rosberg).

#15546 Tarzaan

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:37

Pathetic qualy pace and race pace (+20s behind Rosberg).



Clearly this is not his best weekend, but Button & Felipe had same pace to their teammate"s (an IMHO Webber to if Vettel didn't out of the race).

#15547 Urawa

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:43

no progress for whatever reason since friday, so the result was ok but not more

#15548 arknor

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:47

one of his worse races this year imo..
one of the worst tracks aswell total borefest and a ***** track

Edited by arknor, 13 November 2011 - 14:48.


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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:47

Damage limitation exercise but at least ended up only one place behind his teammate. Wonder if getting hit by Massa on lap one caused that front wing part to seemingly drop off later?

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Posted 13 November 2011 - 14:48

Did Schumi have problem wit the car ? He did not bring car to Parc Ferme.