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#15751 BRK

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 17:41

Michael seemed to have the edge over his teammate today, solid pace throughout.


Google translate translates that as: KERS failure in Q1, Q2, on the outlap in Q3; DRS fails before he gets out of the garage, will get sent out at the wrong time and gets caught up in traffic.




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#15752 LiJu914

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 17:45

I think I remember Johnny Herbert talking about this. From my recollection it was with regard to the 1995 Belgium Grandprix, I think it was on Friday practice that Herbert easily had the measure of Schumacher much to everyone's surprise, that night MS said to Herbert as you're doing much better than me I don't want to share my data with you anymore, but MS still had access to Herbert's data. Schumacher qualified down in 16th but then went on to win the race. I think it was mentioned that he changed his car set up overnight, possibly aided by Herbert's data.

I think this came out a few years after they stopped being team mates when Herbert gave an interview. From my recollection it seemed to be a one off incident when MS got his knickers in a twist rather than a general no sharing of data.


Nope.

It was allegedly at the Argentinian GP and Herbert wasn´t faster in free practice btw. ...and afaik Herbert is still the only person, who "confirmed" this.

#15753 Kubiccia

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:02

Excuse me? You've made it very clear in the past you have a problem with me, but what is wrong with you this time?

Supporting Schumi was something from my childhood that carried over into my adult life, and so it will always be 'different'. Its just a fun throwback - like christmas. Thats what I was talking about. It was supposed to be a nice post from a fan.

No I am not miserable. No, my life does not 'suck as much as I make it sound'. I have a very rich and happy life, ta very much.

How the hell you reached that conclusion from my post is beyond me.

You completely misunderstood my post. I was not bashing you guys at all. I was just asking if this deep nostalgy was because nowadays the life of you guys is not happy as it was in childhood(something quite common tbh). As we get adult, in some cases, most of the time in one's life are quite boring so I just asked if that was also the case with you guys, as well.

Also, I don't remember this "problem" that I, allegedly, had with you.

#15754 Sakae

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:11

Michael has good time (for a change). I don't want to jinx it for quali.

#15755 cheapracer

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:35

Wow, how close are those times, I know it's only Friday practice but when was the last time the top 8 were within a half second of each other ....

1 L Hamilton (GBR) McLaren 1'13.392
2 S Vettel (GER) Red Bull 1'13.559
3 M Webber (AUS) Red Bull 1'13.587
4 F Alonso (ESP) Ferrari 1'13.598
5 M Schumacher M-Benz 1'13.723
6 F Massa (BRA) Ferrari 1'13.750
7 J Button (GBR) McLaren 1'13.787
8 N Rosberg (GER) M-Benz 1'13.872

#15756 metz

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:38

Mercedes always show well on Fridays.

#15757 Owen

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:42

Mercedes always show well on Fridays.

He is looking a bit handy round here. I will grudgingly admit that. :)

#15758 salamin

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 18:53

MS hopes to take the fight to Ferrari in Brazil

#15759 Urawa

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 19:34

I´ll be already glad if nothing fails on his car and if he can improve his time at all :lol:

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#15760 SpeedyTimer

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Posted 25 November 2011 - 19:59

I'm sure everyone has fond memories of their childhood/youth and the elements that defined it to a degree.

*pathetic moment upcoming*

Perhaps the moment I recall best was how the frustration had built up in me in 2000, due to all sorts of things, and when Schumacher got taken out by Trulli, making it his third consecutive retirement, all in no way his fault, and suddenly the WDC dream was falling apart again, I went to my room and my I started crying, quite against my will. I didn't cry again for almost a decade, so that moment really stuck with me.

Clearly, had it been later on in life, it would've developed in a different manner, but that's what being young does to you and how certain things are bound together.


Funny you should share this.

My eldest son is a '96 and he was very precocious. When he was about 2 is when he started to get into F1. He was a schumi fan from the get go, and anytime schumi would have an off he would go into hysterics, to the point where we would threaten that he would not be allowed to watch anymore which would be good enough until the next race. Of course it seemed that Micheal had a lot of incidents in '98 and '99 especially with his accident at Silverstone. We thought he was going to stroke. By '03 he switched allegiences to the other Schumacher, and when asked why he explained that Micheal won too much. Now at 15 he is again a strident Schumacher fan.

He hopes to become an engineer and work in Formula 1.

When he started watching F1 it was in the days of ITV and Murry Walker. Of course Murry would make tons of mistakes about which team member would be shown on screen and before the co-host would correct him my son would. He would be correct time and time again and we finally asked him how he new which driver was in which car and of course he said they all had different helmets. We only had a small TV at the time.

#15761 cheapracer

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 06:33

Hello???????????????? 2nd page????????????

MS was 5th fastest in practice.

Bet this thread can make page 3 if he out-qualifies Nico. :lol:


#15762 Urawa

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:39

Hello???????????????? 2nd page????????????

MS was 5th fastest in practice.

Bet this thread can make page 3 if he out-qualifies Nico. :lol:


don't worry.
if the opposite happens, it'll be a top 3 topic again and another time to retire...

#15763 as65p

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 10:43

Most importantly, the complaints about the growth of the thread, one way or another, will make up a good deal of the post count. And who would want to miss those vital and very informative contributions? :drunk:

#15764 Jejking

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:15

Rotten teeth deliver more value than both those posts and your informative outings so I wouldn't worry too much about this thread in the first place :')

#15765 zelpre

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 14:25

FP3 Michael already behind Nico.

It'll be interesting if Michael will be able to repeat or. confirm the time he did at FP3. Hardly believe he will improve it, that rarely happened this season.

#15766 Jejking

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:06

We'll see, I'm curious especially how the weather is going to unfold and who is able to handle that best :)

Good grief, WHY do they send him out on soft tyres? He had a buffer of around 0.3s :S

Edited by Jejking, 26 November 2011 - 16:22.


#15767 Lelouch

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:23

We'll see, I'm curious especially how the weather is going to unfold and who is able to handle that best :)

Good grief, WHY do they send him out on soft tyres? He had a buffer of around 0.3s :S

They never realise when he is safe, do they?

#15768 Jejking

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:27

They never realise when he is safe, do they?

I don't know but there is a limit somewhere eventually. Better safe than sorry of course but the more he wastes today, the more it can come back to bite him tomorrow. I don't like the sight of that.

#15769 Lelouch

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:34

this looks like bloody s**t

#15770 Massa_f1

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:36

What a suprise. Schumacher looked ok on Friday and guess what come Saturday the car looks a handfull and struggling to make to 10. Same old story, and i am sick of it. as a fan.

Edited by Massa_f1, 26 November 2011 - 16:36.


#15771 Jejking

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:41

Still a minute to go. Let's hope and pray that that car doesn't fall apart on the track.

Edit: holy crap, just inside the top 10 and he BACKS OFF. Wtf?

Oooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooof, what a luck he has!

Edited by Jejking, 26 November 2011 - 16:43.


#15772 Lelouch

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:42

What a suprise. Schumacher looked ok on Friday and guess what come Saturday the car looks a handfull and struggling to make to 10. Same old story, and i am sick of it. as a fan.

sick yes im sick of it too and a bit desperate because i can't understand what's going on -.-

#15773 Urawa

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:42

What a suprise. Schumacher looked ok on Friday and guess what come Saturday the car looks a handfull and struggling to make to 10. Same old story, and i am sick of it. as a fan.


and again slower than FP2/FP3 time. that's unexplainable

#15774 Igorr

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:46

maybe he has opted more towards the wet setup, and that has contributed for the lost time..

#15775 George Costanza

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:46

I hope it rains tomorrow in order to watch Schumacher work his magic. That magic is still there, of course. I think he will be fine tomorrow....

#15776 George Costanza

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:46

maybe he has opted more towards the wet setup, and that has contributed for the lost time..


That is what I am thinking also.

Edited by George Costanza, 26 November 2011 - 16:46.


#15777 zelpre

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:46

again and again. HORRIBLE!

a second slower than Nico! And as I said no improve from FP2/FP3. What's happening in this ****ing qualifying every time

also tyres are f***ed up. again used 1 set more

Edited by zelpre, 26 November 2011 - 16:47.


#15778 Urawa

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:52

nobody would say a word if he´s just 2-3 tenth behind NR with a time improvement but that´s the 3rd or 4th weekend in a row with zero improvement since practice, it gets even worse!
I´ve never seen something like that.

#15779 Massa_f1

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 16:59

He is out on the slower tyre now as well. Waste of time. :|

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#15780 Urawa

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:01

I´ve no clue what was their strategy this afternoon...

#15781 Lelouch

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:02

Once again i was too optimistic yesterday >.<

#15782 Massa_f1

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:04

There is no more hope.

#15783 zelpre

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:04

what? i can't believe it? what does the medium compound do with rain?! what strategy is that?

#15784 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:04

I think Nico's lap in Q2 must have been nothing short of magical. His Q3 time, half a second slower, shows how perfect that lap was.

Hard to understand exactly what Michael's strategy is. Assuming they went out thinking it will rain tomorrow, why save some soft tires and avoid running to get, maybe, an 8th place on the grid?

#15785 Massa_f1

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:06

I think Nico's lap in Q2 must have been nothing short of magical. His Q3 time, half a second slower, shows how perfect that lap was.

Hard to understand exactly what Michael's strategy is. Assuming they went out thinking it will rain tomorrow, why save some soft tires and avoid running to get, maybe, an 8th place on the grid?


he has not saved a set of softs though. He was one of the only people of the top runners to use softs in Q1

#15786 Diablobb81

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:07

Good things come to those who wait.



#15787 Jejking

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:08

Yes, the softs he used in Q1, he saved in Q3. Net gain: 0. He could have saved one more in Q1, and I must applaud Rosbergs Q2 effort because that simply was stunning.

#15788 sharo

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:09

I was expecting P11, so P10 is good with the option to choose tyres just before the race.

#15789 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:10

Isn't this something like the third race in a row in which he used softs in Q3, although his time would've been sufficient? Of course, he was never really safe, but still.

#15790 Massa_f1

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:11

Yes, the softs he used in Q1, he saved in Q3. Net gain: 0. He could have saved one more in Q1, and I must applaud Rosbergs Q2 effort because that simply was stunning.



Q2 does not count as stunning as it was. I am just so confused as to what Schumacher was doing today. :confused:

#15791 Tardis40

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:11

I think Michael used all of his tires. He flat-spotted the first set he used in Q2 and changed again.


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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:13

I think Nico's lap in Q2 must have been nothing short of magical. His Q3 time, half a second slower, shows how perfect that lap was.

Hard to understand exactly what Michael's strategy is. Assuming they went out thinking it will rain tomorrow, why save some soft tires and avoid running to get, maybe, an 8th place on the grid?


I'd go for hards in case that either a) it rains at the start or b) I estimate there's at least one SC period early in the race.. plenty of cars and drivers looking ragged so far over the weekend, also there are some guys whose contracts end tomorrow so they're going for broke, besides it's a small crowded track and even moreso with KERS and DRS...

#15793 Urawa

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:14

I think Michael used all of his tires. He flat-spotted the first set he used in Q2 and changed again.


that would mean he still has a new set of softs left.

Q1: 1 soft
Q2: 1 used soft + new soft

that´s what I noticed.

#15794 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:19

Well IF it rains tomorrow, nobody will care about the dry tyres

#15795 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:22

Unless it dries out.

#15796 sharo

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:24

Unless it dries out.

^ This

#15797 Szoelloe

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:25

If it does, i less set is more than enough.

#15798 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:28

It depends how quickly it dries out. Judging by how previous rain races were managed, it could be that a lot of running will be done on a dry/drying track.

Then again, this is already a lot of ifs. We'll see what happens tomorrow and take things as they come.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:30

i just wish he'll have a great race tomorrow, im obviously disappointed and who wouldn't after the practice times and his statements of fighting ferrari.

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Posted 26 November 2011 - 17:30

omg, Jesus Christ, you win. You could come up with several more scenarios.