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#15851 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 13:53

All of us, all fans of Michael all over the world are expecting too much today...I hope there won't be a big disappointment because of the such a big wish itself.

Edited by zelpre, 27 November 2011 - 13:53.


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#15852 repeatoffender

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 13:56

All of us, all fans of Michael all over the world are expecting too much today...I hope there won't be a big disappointment because of the such a big wish itself.



It will rain, clouds looming.

BJ

#15853 Szoelloe

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 14:20

It will rain, clouds looming.

BJ


they seem to be looming for three days now, but the cam shows the sun is still shining in SP. To me it looks like a dry race.

#15854 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 15:24

It looks like a dry race to me too.

#15855 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 15:28

Will MS start with mediums? If they still expect rain, I think he will start with softs.

Edited by ivand911, 27 November 2011 - 15:38.


#15856 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 15:42

All of us, all fans of Michael all over the world are expecting too much today...I hope there won't be a big disappointment because of the such a big wish itself.



I am expecting a poor race so i wont be disappinted. Still dont know what Schumacher was thinking yesterday.

#15857 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 16:13

WTF? Schumi is slow as hell? Did you see the onboard? So slow...

#15858 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 16:17

Its time to go home.

#15859 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 16:29

Now Massa is slowing down MS.

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#15860 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 16:51

No rain expected either.....

Race is over.

Going for a loooooong pee.

#15861 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:16

MS personal record with mediums. :rolleyes:
Michael qualifying was yesterday. This super laps will not help you now. Lap 63, MS 1,1 sec faster than Nico. Is MS with softs???

Edited by ivand911, 27 November 2011 - 17:27.


#15862 Spa95

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:27

Meanwhile Rosberg has been slowly trundling around on its own all afternoon. Obviously not very motivated without Michael near him.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:29

Meanwhile Rosberg has been slowly trundling around on its own all afternoon. Obviously not very motivated without Michael near him.


just wanted to post the same^^

#15864 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:38

Good season for MS. Hope for much better 2012. I want MS to find very good car under the Christmas tree.

Edited by ivand911, 27 November 2011 - 17:38.


#15865 Scotracer

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:40

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Fastest S3 for Michael on the last lap.

Apart from the stupid incident, good pace in the race from Michael - consistently faster than Rosberg.

#15866 baddog

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:43

Not a good end to the season at all, but I hope he sticks with it for next year.

#15867 Urawa

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:46

whatever happens between the pratice sessions and qualifing, they need to sort it out.
pace in the race was good again like all season long except for 3-4 occasions.

#15868 mlsnoopy

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:47

Who?

#15869 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 17:49

A shame, but not much in it anyway.

Michael said in the interview that there were some balance problems on the car, they couldn't sort them out before the 3rd stint (front-wing tweaking), and that he's looking forward to next year.

Edited by PoliFanAthic, 27 November 2011 - 18:16.


#15870 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:17

P6 would have been possible. Shame.

Now the hardest part - waiting untill next season =/


Michael said in the interview that there were some balance problems on the car, they couldn't sort them out before the 3rd stint (front-wing tweaking), and that he's looking forward to next year.


Was that on RTL?

Edited by Buttoneer, 27 November 2011 - 18:25.


#15871 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:20

Was that on RTL?


Yes.

#15872 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:24

Balance problems. You aint wrong the onboards looked beyond awful. Slow one hand off the wheel pushing putting buttons changing dials. Not nice to see.

Edited by Massa_f1, 27 November 2011 - 18:24.


#15873 Buttoneer

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:34

Posts moved. Discussion about the crash with Bruno now in its own thread.

http://forums.autosp...howtopic=157896

#15874 BRK

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 18:52

Probably onr of his hardest and toughest weekends this season. That car must have been utter shit to drive after the incident with Senna.


Shame about that accident, Michael tried to muscle his way past and succeeded, yeah they banged wheels but people keep saying they need more of that sort of action on track and, well, Michael's delivered. The Renault really must be a bitch to brake considering the 'incidents' they've had this season with MS...and that's giving Senna the benefit of the doubt.


Roll on 2012. His pace in the races has been fantastic for quite some time now, hope it carries over into 2012. And a better car, please. :smoking:

Edited by BRK, 27 November 2011 - 18:52.


#15875 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 19:24

Michael had better pace again even with balance problems after the contact.

In the last stint way way faster than Nico.

http://en.mclarenf-1.....=Nico Rosberg

from 72 seconds gap to 51 seconds?

Edited by zelpre, 27 November 2011 - 19:37.


#15876 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 19:54

from 72 seconds gap to 51 seconds?

21 sec is only the clear net gain, but MS also lost time with leaving leaders to pass. How many times they were around him, and he keep behind them for longer time. This was very good race, we were robbed again by LRGP guys.

Edited by ivand911, 27 November 2011 - 19:56.


#15877 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:03

21 sec is only the clear net gain, but MS also lost time with leaving leaders to pass. How many times they were around him, and he keep behind them for longer time. This was very good race, we were robbed again by LRGP guys.


Most races were like this one. The last race just described Michael's season.


Turkey
Monaco
Silverstone
Nurburgring
Hungary
Singapore
Korea
and now Brazil

In all these 8 races above he had better race pace.

At least 8 times more he could finish infront of Nico.

Plus you must not forget he could still gain points in Valencia.


#15878 Muz Bee

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:23

We'll give this race to Michael in the MS v NR 2011 then!!!

#15879 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:26

We'll give this race to Michael in the MS v NR 2011 then!!!

In this thread we don't give races ;) Nico can have it. I am just sorry for missed opportunities. OK, next year.

willbuxton: As Lewis said in our SPEED interview, he's got big respect for Felipe. Think's he's the toughest guy, other than Schumacher, to pass.

Edited by ivand911, 27 November 2011 - 20:28.


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#15880 exmayol

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:27

Another typical race... i.e. decent pace yet some accident preventing to score. Onto the next year. Lets hope MGP delivers a better car so that even with crippled qualifying abilities MS will be able to start from top 6 and avoid messing with amateurs.

#15881 ivand911

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:32

I also think about Qualy problems. Can he beat Nico? And why he don't do it? And the answer is always the same: Race is more important that Qualy. Points are given for the race.

#15882 zelpre

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 20:39

Agree with both of you.

#15883 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 21:16

Point is, he could've normally qualified ahead of Senna, had he made a proper timed run in Q3. Not only would that have most likely avoided the accident, but it would've also allowed for a better start, as the straight numbers on the grid won positions almost all around.

Another thing to be noted, his start wasn't that bad, but he got unlucky behind two slower cars in the two turns, while also being squeezed out by Di Resta, if I recall correctly.

#15884 Tardis40

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 21:26

Michael lost out at the start when he made a move to the left. He was in the middle of the track and looking to pass but got caught behind another car when he tried to take the inside line. That cost him a couple of positions right there.


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Posted 27 November 2011 - 21:28

In this thread we don't give races ;) Nico can have it. I am just sorry for missed opportunities. OK, next year.

willbuxton: As Lewis said in our SPEED interview, he's got big respect for Felipe. Think's he's the toughest guy, other than Schumacher, to pass.

As I am sure Nico is Ivan.

Granted MS's race performances have been better (relative to qualifying) but qualifying outside the top 10 in a top 10 car is not good. What is good is he has kept his relentless drive for better results going. Nico will be a future beneficiary of his time with the old champ and it's good to see healthy respect in both directions. :up:

#15886 f1rookie

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:12

Videos: Schumacher and Senna crash in 2011 Brazilian GP
http://www.formula1o...a-crash-in.html

#15887 Massa_f1

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:19

Point is, he could've normally qualified ahead of Senna, had he made a proper timed run in Q3. Not only would that have most likely avoided the accident, but it would've also allowed for a better start, as the straight numbers on the grid won positions almost all around.

Another thing to be noted, his start wasn't that bad, but he got unlucky behind two slower cars in the two turns, while also being squeezed out by Di Resta, if I recall correctly.



Thats why i was so :mad: Saturday was so stupid from both Schumacher and the team. Just get out and set a time. The whole incident should never of happened. I fear for more of the same of 2012. As i see nothing changing.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:22

Michael lost out at the start when he made a move to the left. He was in the middle of the track and looking to pass but got caught behind another car when he tried to take the inside line. That cost him a couple of positions right there.

Yeah he got squeezed by Senna at the exit of the Senna S, the same situation happened last year at the same spot with Kubica. It's a shame that, yet again, another race has been screwed due to a racing incident, but he's always bound to be more exposed with situations like these when he starts from so far back. However I'm happy to see that Michael was back on the pace again in this race, his poor Abu Dhabi form was a just a one-off then, very impressed with his last stint on the prime tyre especially.

Many positives to take from this season, hopefully next year the W03 will be competitive, I'm looking forward to 2012. :smoking:

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:30

It has been a good season for Michael; He has scored more points than last year in a less competitive car. I thought his start of the season was poor but he raised his game. Michael needs to improve his qualifying though, otherwise his race pace won't matter as much.

#15890 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:32

Schumacher started on old tyres for the race anyway so not running in Q3 was pointless. He could have done a Q3 time on older tyres and probably still pipped Senna to 9th.

Still, I hope these qualifying issues sort themself out in the 2012, especially if these teams are closely matched next season - 2 or 3 tenths could mean 4-5 places on the grid.

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Posted 27 November 2011 - 22:34

Hey Michael, if you read this - hoping to see you another two years on my TV. Have a rest, don't get lazy over winter, and looking forward better next year. :wave:

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 10:47

"Hey Jean, if you read this, can't you make them cut front wings by 10-15cm from both sides. Call CW, will help a lot. Thanks for periscopes.

Yours, Michael."
:lol:

Edited by ivand911, 28 November 2011 - 10:48.


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Posted 28 November 2011 - 13:48

Good heavens, yesterday was Brazil 2006 all over again. Renault vs Schumacher, it's never going to work out. Unbelievable what a rotten luck (sharp contrast, in 2006 Schumacher squeezed a bit but not yesterday). P14/15 was bad stuff, he deserved more than that because the pace was most of the time as fast or slightly faster than his teammate.

#15894 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 13:53

That's the tale of 2011, isn't it? Schumacher faster than Nico but bad judgement, mistakes and other circumstances mean he is chasing scraps rather than duking it out with either Massa or his team mate.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 14:00

Good heavens, yesterday was Brazil 2006 all over again. Renault vs Schumacher, it's never going to work out. Unbelievable what a rotten luck (sharp contrast, in 2006 Schumacher squeezed a bit but not yesterday). P14/15 was bad stuff, he deserved more than that because the pace was most of the time as fast or slightly faster than his teammate.



Just slightly faster with a three stop strategy against the slower two stop strategy? I see nothing special here to be honest.

#15896 ivand911

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 14:11

Just slightly faster with a three stop strategy against the slower two stop strategy? I see nothing special here to be honest.

It is, if you look at the Qualifying. :p Was slightly only because MS crashed, would be devastating without the crash. MS was fighting Sutil yesterday, not Nico. We know where Sutil finished.

Edited by ivand911, 28 November 2011 - 14:31.


#15897 zelpre

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 17:06

Just slightly faster with a three stop strategy against the slower two stop strategy? I see nothing special here to be honest.


Slightly lol? Before posting nonsense, check the lap times - http://en.mclarenf-1.....=Nico Rosberg - It is even in colors, it should help you if you don't know how to read lap times.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 17:19

Slightly lol? Before posting nonsense, check the lap times - http://en.mclarenf-1.....=Nico Rosberg - It is even in colors, it should help you if you don't know how to read lap times.


Nonsense? Are you able to read? The slightly comes from Jejking not me, I have just asked. Before blaming read properly next time. Your link is a good example on how bad a two stop strategy yesterday was.

#15899 zelpre

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 18:22

Nonsense? Are you able to read? The slightly comes from Jejking not me, I have just asked. Before blaming read properly next time. Your link is a good example on how bad a two stop strategy yesterday was.


Oh sorry for the "slightly" part.

Michael was on bad strategy too! Because of the early pit stop he had to stay out long and make longer stints.
And what are you going to say for the last stint?Michael was way faster than Nico...

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 18:24

Even with the two stop strategy, it does seem that Nico's lap times on the hard compound were generally poor - due to balance problems or whatever. Even so, when he got out after the second pit-stop, his time difference to Schumacher was 52.293. At the end of the race, by which time Schumacher had done another pit-stop and lapped consistently faster than Rosberg, the difference was 51.079.

So I'm not quite sure what's speaking in absolute favor of a three-stopper.