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#15901 valachus

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 18:35

Give it a rest folks, this season's history and the MGP W02 should be given a viking burial at sea :) Just set it on fire and watch it sink, I say.
On another train of thought, what about the EBD next year, is it still on or is it off? I was just thinking that for some reason the TV feed just doesn't sound like videos shot by amateurs at the tracks - like this one for instance: .
Maybe this year the difference was made not by throttle footwork, but rather by the lack of it - just take the foot off the throttle and the ECU software will take care that every bit of downforce is extracted - and the car with the most advanced arcade-like driving aids won by a mile.
Bring on 2012, the EBD ban and perhaps some Pirelli tyres that don't fall apart as soon as a driver starts punishing them.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 18:45

Still, I hope these qualifying issues sort themself out in the 2012, especially if these teams are closely matched next season - 2 or 3 tenths could mean 4-5 places on the grid.


It's not gonna be solved. It's 2 years now with this and I'm confident that his raw speed will never be the same again.

There was sometimes Turkey and Spa 2010 and Suzuka 2011(he was faster than Nico in FPs and his speed didn't disapear on qualifying that time, eventhough Nico couldn't participate on the session) where his speed was okay, not monster like before but still better than Nico. I don't know why he can't do that often and it seems nobody does, nor the team neither MSC himself.

Expect good races from him in 2012 but not good qualifying pace, is what I suggest

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 18:54

Even with the two stop strategy, it does seem that Nico's lap times on the hard compound were generally poor - due to balance problems or whatever. Even so, when he got out after the second pit-stop, his time difference to Schumacher was 52.293. At the end of the race, by which time Schumacher had done another pit-stop and lapped consistently faster than Rosberg, the difference was 51.079.

So I'm not quite sure what's speaking in absolute favor of a three-stopper.


the three-stopper was faster for sure, the example was Massa too! But Michael didn't had the ideal three-stopper, he almost did two-stopper, that's the point...

He was consistently faster than Rosberg, even if he also had to leave space to front runners who were lapping him.

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Posted 28 November 2011 - 19:50

On what basis is an extremely early first stop forcing a distorted 3 stop strategy going to lead to faster lap times? That doesn't make any sense at all. These aren't the days of refueling you know.



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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:03

Just slightly faster with a three stop strategy against the slower two stop strategy? I see nothing special here to be honest.

Keep in mind the three stop strategy wasn't intended, I'm sure Schumacher originally also was on the two-stopper considering both had an equal amount of soft tyres saved. My recollection of 'slightly' was based on what I saw on Live Timing but in the end I was doing some dishes and following Button-Alonso on hearing. It appeared Schumacher was only a little bit slower on softs (out of sync due to Sennagate) but massively faster than Rosberg on the harder tyre, he really made up big chunks of time against his teammate (on the timing sheets). In the meantime on track the progress was nil because in the end vs the rest it was down to car performance on the medium tyres.

All in all he would at least have been close to Rosberg if it weren't for an overoptimistic Brazilian. It would have been interesting to see if he had been able to keep it up against Sutil who was *really* on a spree in Sao Paulo.

Edit: thanks for the link again for the laptimes. To be honest, I'm very impressed by Schumachers consistency. And another note, for every 'hater' out there who points out that the net difference between the two is so small, also take into account that Schumacher after his flat tyre was instantly lapped and in traffic, and never able to recover from that anymore. There were several blue flags which meant he had to give way. The blues cost him about... *afaics* 6 seconds, traffic I can't tell.

Edited by Jejking, 29 November 2011 - 12:10.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:12

Give it a rest folks, this season's history and the MGP W02 should be given a viking burial at sea :) Just set it on fire and watch it sink, I say.
On another train of thought, what about the EBD next year, is it still on or is it off? I was just thinking that for some reason the TV feed just doesn't sound like videos shot by amateurs at the tracks - like this one for instance: .
Maybe this year the difference was made not by throttle footwork, but rather by the lack of it - just take the foot off the throttle and the ECU software will take care that every bit of downforce is extracted - and the car with the most advanced arcade-like driving aids won by a mile.
Bring on 2012, the EBD ban and perhaps some Pirelli tyres that don't fall apart as soon as a driver starts punishing them.


I've been saying this for months now too. Next year no off throttle mapping so we will see.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:17

Somebody said that MS was originally on 3 stopper when Nico was on 2. Before the race he was like: Wait and you will see. He was sure in his strategy. But, then Senna happened. First he push MS out of the track in corner 2 and DIR pass him. Then the hits followed. If MS passed Senna without the problems , he could fight Sutil, who was 4 sec ahead behind Nico.

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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:27

Interesting stuff! I just did some research on the points systems, quick 'n dirty. Guess who came out on top if you compare 2002, 2004 and 2011?;)

Did you know: A certain WR for numbers of points in a season was once 144, then 148 (MSC, 2002, 2004). With the current points system it'd be different. Wait, a list is handier, quick 'n dirty though due to time constraints:

Old '2002' system:
MSC 2002: 144
MSC 2004: 142
SB 2011: 147

Newer '2003' system:
MSC 2002: 156
MSC 2004: 148
SB 2011: 161

Current '2011' system:
MSC 2002: 380
MSC 2004: 367
SB 2011: 392

How's that for perspective? If you compare both cars and drives from the seasons (apart from Schumachers mishap in Monaco, China 2004 and Vettels demise from Abu Dhabi this year), there might be some definitive conclusions to be drawn. I think I discovered some good stuff for my final thesis :D

Edited by Jejking, 29 November 2011 - 12:29.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:36

Interesting stuff! I just did some research on the points systems, quick 'n dirty. Guess who came out on top if you compare 2002, 2004 and 2011?;)

Did you know: A certain WR for numbers of points in a season was once 144, then 148 (MSC, 2002, 2004). With the current points system it'd be different. Wait, a list is handier, quick 'n dirty though due to time constraints:

Old '2002' system:
MSC 2002: 144
MSC 2004: 142
SB 2011: 147

Newer '2003' system:
MSC 2002: 156
MSC 2004: 148
SB 2011: 161

Current '2011' system:
MSC 2002: 380
MSC 2004: 367
SB 2011: 392

How's that for perspective? If you compare both cars and drives from the seasons (apart from Schumachers mishap in Monaco, China 2004 and Vettels demise from Abu Dhabi this year), there might be some definitive conclusions to be drawn. I think I discovered some good stuff for my final thesis :D


Bear in mind that there were fewer GPs in 02 and 04. I don't know how you worked it out but that should be taken into account.



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Posted 29 November 2011 - 12:42

I didn't think about that.

17 for '02, 18 for '04 and 19 in '11.

Based on that law of experiments where great numbers eventually even out the odds (don't know the English term for it) to draw an average, I think it would be justifiable to pull the line along and multiply the results to bring a definitive result on this topic. Opinion?

Edited by Jejking, 29 November 2011 - 12:46.


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Posted 29 November 2011 - 14:41

Well another year gone and I wished that things were better, not that I was expecting miracles. I never expected MS to be the big winner again for all the reasons we have all gone over but I didn't expect the car to be as bad either - 2 seconds at some tracks ffs.

If I was a team manager I would still think Nico has the edge overall even in the second half but can see things being level next year if the climb continues.

Will be very interesting to compare how Kimi shapes up after his layoff as a comparison even though Kimi has an age advantage and the rallying doesn't hurt either - I expect him to struggle at the beginning.



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Posted 29 November 2011 - 14:51

Well another year gone and I wished that things were better, not that I was expecting miracles. I never expected MS to be the big winner again for all the reasons we have all gone over but I didn't expect the car to be as bad either - 2 seconds at some tracks ffs.

If I was a team manager I would still think Nico has the edge overall even in the second half but can see things being level next year if the climb continues.

Will be very interesting to compare how Kimi shapes up after his layoff as a comparison even though Kimi has an age advantage and the rallying doesn't hurt either - I expect him to struggle at the beginning.



Mercedes uncompetitive cars actually gives MS time to get up to speed. I dont think that he cares about finishing 8th to NR's 7th...... If his teammate were to win the WDC and he was to finish 2nd, then he would be miffed.....

In this respect, Mark Webber should be really ticked to finish so far behind his teammate...

#15913 cheapracer

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 02:12

Mercedes uncompetitive cars actually gives MS time to get up to speed.


I don't agree with that, a competitive car spurs you on and a slow car just wastes your time developing it.


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 06:42

Interesting stuff! I just did some research on the points systems, quick 'n dirty. Guess who came out on top if you compare 2002, 2004 and 2011?;)

Did you know: A certain WR for numbers of points in a season was once 144, then 148 (MSC, 2002, 2004). With the current points system it'd be different. Wait, a list is handier, quick 'n dirty though due to time constraints:

Old '2002' system:
MSC 2002: 144
MSC 2004: 142
SB 2011: 147

Newer '2003' system:
MSC 2002: 156
MSC 2004: 148
SB 2011: 161

Current '2011' system:
MSC 2002: 380
MSC 2004: 367
SB 2011: 392

How's that for perspective? If you compare both cars and drives from the seasons (apart from Schumachers mishap in Monaco, China 2004 and Vettels demise from Abu Dhabi this year), there might be some definitive conclusions to be drawn. I think I discovered some good stuff for my final thesis :D


I'm sorry, it's still early in the morning for me and my brain isn't fully on yet. But what does WR and SB stand for?

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:26

It's a typo of SV, or Vettel. WR is world record. Vettel has beaten Schumacher's points tallies in '02 and '04 in '11 under all three points systems such was (nice to use past tense) his dominance over what was a longer season.

Edited by Disgrace, 30 November 2011 - 07:29.


#15916 baddog

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 07:40

Actually equalised for 17 races we get
Old '2002' system:	
2002	144
2004	134
2011	132
	
Newer '2003' system:	
2002	156
2004	140
2011	144
	
Current '2011' system:	
2002	380
2004	347
2011	351

Which still places 2002 at the top by a margin.. however I suspect its beaten thoroughly by some earlier efforts.

#15917 ivand911

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:06

This was not well accepted in Kimi thread:
"Motorsport Magazin.com - Christian, Kimi Raikkonen drives in Formula 1 soon. Your opinion about the comeback of the Iceman?
Danner: For Formula 1 of course it is nice to have another World Champion in the field. However, I have my doubts about Kimi's performance terms. We have seen with Michael Schumacher, how difficult it is to be competitive again after a break in F1. If it was so hard for Michael Schumacher, I honestly am very pessimistic about Kimi, in all areas he never had Michael's class.

Discipline was never Raikkonen's strength ...
Christian Danner: Kimi had never had this discipline such as Michael Schumacher - and he has not even now. A further complication is that Formula 1 in the past few years has changed incredibly. The manner in which the driver must now cope with the F1 is far harder than they did three years ago.
[...]"
http://www.motorspor...-fuer-kimi.html

Really, don't see why??

Edited by ivand911, 02 December 2011 - 15:57.


#15918 Jejking

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:20

I'm sorry, it's still early in the morning for me and my brain isn't fully on yet. But what does WR and SB stand for?

Apparently mine wasn't either. SB=>SV indeed :p

Actually equalised for 17 races we get

Old '2002' system:	
2002	144
2004	134
2011	132
	
Newer '2003' system:	
2002	156
2004	140
2011	144
	
Current '2011' system:	
2002	380
2004	347
2011	351

Which still places 2002 at the top by a margin.. however I suspect its beaten thoroughly by some earlier efforts.

You got those points by... leaving what out exactly? The worst 1 result in 2004 and 2 in 2011? /curious.

This was not well accepted in Kimi thread:
"Motorsport Magazin.com - Christian, Kimi Raikkonen drives in Formula 1 soon. Your opinion about the comeback of the Iceman?
Danner: For Formula 1 of course it is nice to have another World Champion in the field. However, I have my doubts about Kimi's performance terms. We have seen with Michael Schumacher, how difficult it is to be competitive again after a break in F1. If it was so hard for Michael Schumacher, I honestly am very pessimistic about Kimi, in all areas he never had Michael's class.

Discipline was never Raikkonen's strength ...
Christian Danner: Kimi had never had this discipline such as Michael Schumacher - and he has not even now. A further complication is that Formula 1 in the past few years has changed incredibly. The manner in which the driver must now cope with the F1 is far harder than they did three years ago. Quite honestly, I think Kimi's chances of success are very small.
[...]

Does Raikkonen lose the desire again, if the results fail to appear?
Danner: I've never seen Kimi driving differently, just like Kimi runs: monosyllabicly (sic!). This basic 'indifference', he still has, no matter whether he wins a race or is tenth.
[...]"
http://www.motorspor...-fuer-kimi.html

Really, don't see why??

I disagree with this too, for the following reasons:
1. Kimi is about 10 years younger than Michael, advantage Kimi.
2. Kimi was out for 2 years, compared to Michael's three, advantage Kimi.
3. Kimi is a bloody Finn, which means his car control is very very good (if you disagree, name me one Finn who wasn't in F1 for sthg else than driving ability).
4. Kimi was out rallying, not exactly the worst thing you can do to maintain your abilities.
5. Kimi was recharging his batteries so I don't think an early setback (if any will happen) will affect him that much as long as his working environment isn't too much of the cuddly kind like we've seen at Ferrari.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:26

I disagree with Danner also on most parts, for various reasons. Feels like a cheap attack.

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#15920 Jejking

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:34

I believe it was Danner who's the closest one to F1, together with Dr Marko, to spit out the most bullshit this year.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:36

I can understand the line of thought Danner puts down. For the Kimi we saw in 2008 or 2009 he might be right. But this time Kimi wants to be back, while in those years he seemed to have eclipsed his motivation with the title in 2007.

#15922 ivand911

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 10:50

Danner have some doubts, which is normal. But, he say that the return is good for F1. I put it here only for the name MS in it. I also want to see what will happen next year. Remember when MS comeback everyone say , that MGP needed to sign Heidfeld instead. In the next year LRGP fire Heidfeld because he was "not good". Which I don't agree. So, next year Kimi is coming. I hope Petrov will be still there to make some comparisons.
Lets before we shoot Danner to see how next year will develop. There will be a lot of "experts" opinions following.

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 12:20

Alesi, who is associated with Renault (now Lotus or something), expressed publicly his opinion that Michael is not good enough to contribute modern F1 car development. I am paraphrasisng, but in essence that is what I think he stated.

It has upset me little, for it is yet another somewhat vitriolic groundless attack, because I am not certain if anyone outside of MGP who works on, or around the car trully knows what the problem was, and dump it onto Schumacher is rather stupid and irresponsible.

Reorganization under RRA was one thing, and and then add what Ross is stating in his latest interview, and it all start making sense as quite a plausible explanation what was going on at the base. Development process could be finicky affairs (speaking of my own experience), and if you introduce too many changed parameters at once, it's a bitch to sort out the noise later on, because you do not know where it is, and team cannot pull back unles you dismount all, and start all over. Ross is promissing more structured approach in 2012 testing, and I wish them luck.

#15924 Jejking

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 13:08

Got a link on the Alesi comment Sakae?

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 13:45

Alesi, who is associated with Renault (now Lotus or something), expressed publicly his opinion that Michael is not good enough to contribute modern F1 car development. I am paraphrasisng, but in essence that is what I think he stated.

It has upset me little, for it is yet another somewhat vitriolic groundless attack, because I am not certain if anyone outside of MGP who works on, or around the car trully knows what the problem was, and dump it onto Schumacher is rather stupid and irresponsible.

Reorganization under RRA was one thing, and and then add what Ross is stating in his latest interview, and it all start making sense as quite a plausible explanation what was going on at the base. Development process could be finicky affairs (speaking of my own experience), and if you introduce too many changed parameters at once, it's a bitch to sort out the noise later on, because you do not know where it is, and team cannot pull back unles you dismount all, and start all over. Ross is promissing more structured approach in 2012 testing, and I wish them luck.


I think what he said was not "good enough", but that F1 development approach with less testing and more sim work has changed so drastically compared to 2006, that the added value MS could bring then is nowadays minor, or non-existent. He may, or may not be right there, I personally don't believe so. Basically, Alesi stated that that development is fully up to the engineers nowadays, and they only need a fast driver to exploit their(the engineer's) development efforts. You need to put this(Alesi's words) into context: He was hyping up KR's driving abilities, and downplaying his image of not being a driver with a car developer's mindset and ability, or team motivator, or whatever. IMHO, that is just PR BS, I would not give it too much thought. You can still see and hear the intent from nearly every team, to have at least one driver in their pairing who is a proven developer. Pre season after the RK tragedy, it fairly obvious, and even stated by Lotus that that is why they chose Heidfeld.I don't think Alesi was taking a dig at MS, he was simply trying to underline his words with a false analogy. I still think that drivers who can work and communicate seamlessly with a given teams engineers are giving thier teams a huge edge. Merc has at least one, but I suspect two such drivers, which is I say again a very enviable situation. Plus, I have to say that Alesi is talking about something he himself does not fully understand. He was one of the most gifted drivers of his time, but he lacked the attributes needed to drive a team forward the way for instance Lauda, Prost, FA, MS, and their kind could.

Edited by Szoelloe, 30 November 2011 - 13:46.


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 13:48

In terms of population, nothing beats asia at our world as of now.
Schumi fans are some one who loves Domination, winning expectation, some one who follows his tricky authority,aggressive legal assaults, justification on whatever unstylish with ego to win.
If it might be a worthy fan base, is yet to be seen.

I am a fan of someone or some organization who goes about things clear cut;
Organisation: Mclaren, Willliams, Team Lotus, Caterham f1 Team, Sauber and Curent Ferrari
Men: Kimi!

No go Zone: Michael Schumacher!

foot notes: this does not mean that I do not rate what Schumi did during his top period. his disciplines, his will(s) to win.

:lol:

FOTA´s survey shows different figures from 2010: Michael Schumacher is the most popular F1 driver (19.5%), followed by Fernando Alonso (9.7%), Kimi Raikkonen (7.2%), Felipe Massa (6.1%), Lewis Hamilton (6.0%) and Robert Kubica (4.3%).

source


"Ferrari returned to the top as the most favourited team, followed by McLaren (19.1%) and Mercedes (10.01%). Of course Ferrari and McLaren are there, but why would anyone support Mercedes? Incredibly boring livery, boring results so far, and they are just a bought-out version of Brawn. Oh yeah, they have Schumacher, so everything’s fine, of course."

Edited by ivand911, 30 November 2011 - 14:00.


#15927 merschu

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Posted 30 November 2011 - 15:47

A person who went skydiving a few days before the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix posted this video on Youtube.

You can see Michael Schumacher in the video for some time from 0:49sec! :D


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Posted 30 November 2011 - 20:27

A person who went skydiving a few days before the Abu Dhabi Grand Prix posted this video on Youtube.

You can see Michael Schumacher in the video for some time from 0:49sec! :D


haha too bad he wasn't recording him more lol :D was Michael angry when he was showing something with hands or was he just talking?

#15929 cheapracer

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 10:59

Alesi, who is associated with Renault (now Lotus or something), expressed publicly his opinion that Michael is not good enough to contribute modern F1 car development. I am paraphrasisng, but in essence that is what I think he stated.


These driver's that get quoted are either being misquoted in the total sum of what they really said (why would you want to be known for saying something like that?) or are brain dead - other than Stewart I tend to think the first part is true for the majority of ex-drivers.

And how did this thread turn into a "Kimifest"?

Edited by cheapracer, 02 December 2011 - 11:00.


#15930 Clatter

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 11:25

Alesi, who is associated with Renault (now Lotus or something), expressed publicly his opinion that Michael is not good enough to contribute modern F1 car development. I am paraphrasisng, but in essence that is what I think he stated.

It has upset me little, for it is yet another somewhat vitriolic groundless attack, because I am not certain if anyone outside of MGP who works on, or around the car trully knows what the problem was, and dump it onto Schumacher is rather stupid and irresponsible.

Reorganization under RRA was one thing, and and then add what Ross is stating in his latest interview, and it all start making sense as quite a plausible explanation what was going on at the base. Development process could be finicky affairs (speaking of my own experience), and if you introduce too many changed parameters at once, it's a bitch to sort out the noise later on, because you do not know where it is, and team cannot pull back unles you dismount all, and start all over. Ross is promissing more structured approach in 2012 testing, and I wish them luck.


I wouldn't take much stock of that considering that the majority of test and development drivers at the big teams have been failed F1 drivers or are generally not considered good enough for a race seat, IE PDLR, Badoer, Paffet etc.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 11:55

I think what he said was not "good enough", but that F1 development approach with less testing and more sim work has changed so drastically compared to 2006, that the added value MS could bring then is nowadays minor, or non-existent. He may, or may not be right there, I personally don't believe so. Basically, Alesi stated that that development is fully up to the engineers nowadays, and they only need a fast driver to exploit their(the engineer's) development efforts. You need to put this(Alesi's words) into context: He was hyping up KR's driving abilities, and downplaying his image of not being a driver with a car developer's mindset and ability, or team motivator, or whatever. IMHO, that is just PR BS, I would not give it too much thought. You can still see and hear the intent from nearly every team, to have at least one driver in their pairing who is a proven developer. Pre season after the RK tragedy, it fairly obvious, and even stated by Lotus that that is why they chose Heidfeld.I don't think Alesi was taking a dig at MS, he was simply trying to underline his words with a false analogy. I still think that drivers who can work and communicate seamlessly with a given teams engineers are giving thier teams a huge edge. Merc has at least one, but I suspect two such drivers, which is I say again a very enviable situation. Plus, I have to say that Alesi is talking about something he himself does not fully understand. He was one of the most gifted drivers of his time, but he lacked the attributes needed to drive a team forward the way for instance Lauda, Prost, FA, MS, and their kind could.

I am uncertain if you are suggesting that on technical side car is too complex these days for Schumacher, but what is certain, that he can during debriefing deliver qualified feedback how car is performing in race conditions. It is my assumption because regardless what is in the black box under his hood, he still has to find the fastest path around the track, ensuring that car does what driver wants. I am sure they all can speak about that, but some are perhaps better at that others.

Edited by Sakae, 02 December 2011 - 11:59.


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Posted 02 December 2011 - 12:31

I am uncertain if you are suggesting that on technical side car is too complex these days for Schumacher, but what is certain, that he can during debriefing deliver qualified feedback how car is performing in race conditions. It is my assumption because regardless what is in the black box under his hood, he still has to find the fastest path around the track, ensuring that car does what driver wants. I am sure they all can speak about that, but some are perhaps better at that others.


?
No. On the contrary. What I am uncertain about is how you misunderstood my post. :) Basically, what I am trying to say is that Alesi was not intentionally taking the dig at MS, and he is wrong if he genuinely thinks that development has become intimate engineers work, with the end result presented to any given driver, to extract from it whatever the team thinks the car is capable of, He(Alesi) could think that is true, he was never up to the kind of cohesion the drivers I mentioned(and some others I am sure whom I didn't mention) had established with their team's engineering. I think that the testing ban has magnified the importance of these special driver attributes, because there is no time any more to fool around with a car, running 20-30 thousand clicks just to test developments. You either get it spot on, or not. So no, I don't think the car is too complex, on the contrary.

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Posted 02 December 2011 - 16:16

Alesi, who is associated with Renault (now Lotus or something), expressed publicly his opinion that Michael is not good enough to contribute modern F1 car development. I am paraphrasisng, but in essence that is what I think he stated.

It has upset me little, for it is yet another somewhat vitriolic groundless attack, because I am not certain if anyone outside of MGP who works on, or around the car trully knows what the problem was, and dump it onto Schumacher is rather stupid and irresponsible.

Reorganization under RRA was one thing, and and then add what Ross is stating in his latest interview, and it all start making sense as quite a plausible explanation what was going on at the base. Development process could be finicky affairs (speaking of my own experience), and if you introduce too many changed parameters at once, it's a bitch to sort out the noise later on, because you do not know where it is, and team cannot pull back unles you dismount all, and start all over. Ross is promissing more structured approach in 2012 testing, and I wish them luck.



Jean Alesi? His technical skills? :lol:



#15934 Tarzaan

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Posted 03 December 2011 - 22:18

Well done Michael (& Seb)! :)

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#15935 weston

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Posted 04 December 2011 - 03:52

Well done Michael (& Seb)! :)

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Good to see how well the old and the next Schumacher get along.

#15936 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 01:58

Bought his return car model -

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:D

#15937 ivand911

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 08:06

Good model. Very precise.

#15938 seahawk

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 08:10

Should it not come with a missing front wing......

#15939 ivand911

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 08:15

Should it not come with a missing front wing......

No , that will be the 2011 model.


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#15940 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 08:50

Hehe yea it actually came this morning, love it! :D

#15941 Jejking

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 11:34

Should it not come with a missing front wing......

:rotfl:

#15942 cheapracer

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 14:32

Bought his return car model -

:D


A king for a king eh...


#15943 Hacklerf

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 14:54

Im trying to paint my karting helmet as a Schumacher semi replica, with a few differences, does anyone know what the actually colour of his lid is? its like an orange/red/sometimes pink colour. Cant get a match anywhere

#15944 Buttoneer

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 19:55

At least there's no DRS to break.

#15945 Jejking

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 22:59

Im trying to paint my karting helmet as a Schumacher semi replica, with a few differences, does anyone know what the actually colour of his lid is? its like an orange/red/sometimes pink colour. Cant get a match anywhere

What helmet are you looking for exactly? Stuff changed over the years.

#15946 Juan Kerr

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 23:04

I suppose logically it would be the Red from the German flag.

#15947 eriknaa

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Posted 05 December 2011 - 23:24

A Really interesting article on the W03, that will debut on the 21.2 on mercedesgp-fans:
http://mercedesgp-fa...st-of-february/
Lets hope that MGP can give Michael the car deserve for 2012 :up: :)

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#15948 Hacklerf

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 09:35

What helmet are you looking for exactly? Stuff changed over the years.



The one hes using now

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You can see, before lacquer and after

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#15949 Henrytheeigth

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Posted 06 December 2011 - 12:32

A king for a king eh...


Indeed mate :wave:

At least there's no DRS to break.


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#15950 merschu

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Posted 07 December 2011 - 19:07

Schumi was at the Imperial College Engineering in London today.
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That's Jock Clear with Schumi!
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farah_petmos:

We arranged for Michael Schumacher to hang out with imperial college engineering students in London.


jazemanjaafar interviewed Schumi in the MercAMG gym today.
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jazemanjaafar:

Morning all. Sunny Tuesday. Off to Brackley with Second Segment of filming with Michael Schumacher in the gym & factory


Edit: Added a few more pictures.

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