You are right it is, but this is a discussion about raw pace, not qualifying grid positions, and raw pace is judged on fastest laps and nothing else. Nobody reasonable would argue against this.
Backtracking a bit more are we?
The discussion was clearly
about qualifying pace, wherein you claimed (incorrectly) that Nico was half a second faster than Michael. Here's a few of your
Turkey qualifying he was 9 tenths slower. There were a few other races where he was around 1 second a lap slower. My point remains even if its 0.5 which was the average.
They are wrong because their system is flawed by taking the Q3 times instead of the quickest qualifying time, which massively distorts the real picture.
At Monza it counts Rosbergs Q3 times of 1:24.477, instead of his 1:23.335 in Q2, so instead of being 4 tenths quicker than Michael he was 9 tenths slower!
Same thing at Monaco, his best qualifying lap was 1 tenth slower than Michael but his much slower Q3 time was counted as 1.1 slower than Michael.
If we adjust these numbers properly, and measure their fastest laps, (their real speed) then it goes upto around half a second.
No I am saying just pick the fastest lap time the driver was capable of in qualifying. What session it happened in is totally irrelevant for this exercise. Anything else would actually be cherry picking.
I am not suggesting to only use q2. I am suggesting to simply use the fastest qualifying lap. Either way its not important if Michael was 0.37 or 0.47 slower, that was just a desperate attempt by a Schumacher fan to try to side step the issue at hand. Point is he was much slower than Rosberg in qualifying.
In qualifying both drivers are driving as fast as possible and there are no other sessions that would be faster than qualifying.
No, you just select the fastest qualifying time. Simple, it works for every excuse you can invent to try and avoid the truth.
If you want to talk about pace
, lets talk about race pace. The trouble is Schumacher's race pace was generally better than Nico's, so that won't work for you. I guess you're left with cherry picking times from various sessions then.
Incidentally your whole analysis leaves a lot to be desired. Firstly, you absolutely cannot
rely on drivers going as fast as possible during qualifying. There's lots of times when that's not the case. Secondly, if you pick random times from various sessions, you've eliminated the common denominator, as conditions are constantly changing. If you really insist on comparing Q pace, then each session must be taken as its own sample. Otherwise you are comparing apples with oranges. Thirdly, according to the rules Q1 & Q2 times are wiped out for those who make it to Q3, so its pointless to include them in any discussion, as they count for exactly nothing.
BTW, fastest laps don't account for any points, look at Raikkonen's final season. A bunch of fastest laps, but nowhere in the Championship, to the point where he was ousted by Ferrari.
Bottom line: Schumi was generally slower than Nico in qualifying, but not nearly to the extent you were claiming. Why not just accept this and move on?
Edited by Craven Morehead, 05 January 2012 - 02:11.