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#16601 FenderJaguar

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:30

That Michael didn't try to kill himself and Rubens, but just almost did because he wanted to scare him?

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#16602 tifosiMac

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:33

Barrichello on Schumacher pass in Hungry 2010
http://www.youtube.c...s...&playnext=1
So, it wasn't like a lot of people wanted to believe it was.

I doubt Michael wanted to kill Ruben's as that is absurd, but it was a pretty bonehead move nonetheless and not something you expect from a guy with all his experience. The reaction it recieved was embarrassing enough for Michael and I'm sure he regrets it.

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:37

That Michael didn't try to kill himself and Rubens, but just almost did because he wanted to scare him?


Oh, he had a 9mm too, but missed RB's head. Get lost mate.

#16604 ivand911

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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:52

http://www.youtube.c...8...der&list=UL
Full Rubens interview for some other "cases".
Michael even give him the cup for Austria 2002. Latter Indianapolis win.
Rubens said that he have choice where to go in Hungary 2010. Inside or outside, he decided for inside. So ,rest is history.

Edited by ivand911, 13 January 2012 - 12:02.


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Posted 13 January 2012 - 11:57

That Michael didn't try to kill himself and Rubens, but just almost did because he wanted to scare him?


Senna generation style racing. It's just girls of this generation are ooops and heyyyy over that.

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 22:58

Please, read this:
http://en.espnf1.com...tory/56964.html
:love: :eek: :eek:
This will probably hint you to why this guy is the best ever

#16607 FenderJaguar

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Posted 15 January 2012 - 23:21

I read it in August. Why this need for "best ever" everywhere? Aren't you sure about it?
Anyway - about the Michael vs Rubens in Hungary it was embarrassing. It's not the he gave the inside line it was that he was slowly pushing him to the wall. He expected Rubens to back off which he didn't and it could have been a nasty crash. Luckily it wasn't and I think it was en eyeopener for Michael. Why not for so many of his fans? Drivers sometimes make moves that are embarrassing.
And yes - I watched my first F1 race in the 70s.

Edited by FenderJaguar, 15 January 2012 - 23:23.


#16608 Kubiccia

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 00:31

ok, forget about the "best ever" thing. This guy is so good that it's kind of ridicolous, though. Some other quotes found here:
http://www.f1revs.co...s-f1-debut.html

team manager Trevor Foster calls him in and says to marketing director Ian Philips "We must slow the guy. Show that you get Eddie on the phone and tell him that we have a madman or a superstar in your car"

Eddie Jordan being phoned with team manager Trevor Foster stating "I'm not sure what's going on. Did they alter the track this morning? His times are ridiculously fast."

:lol:

Eddie Jordan further elaborating on the team talking to him on the phone. Jordan team: "The guy is a rocket" with Eddie responding "Check it out with Silverstone Syd(Syd Herbert). Maybe you have made a mistake in the route."

"Everything in order" comes back in reply. "There was a narrow section of the course, called the Loop. John Watson was unbeatable there. Schumacher has in that sector immediately set a new fastest time."

Gary Anderson: "He only did about 20 laps, but his fastest lap was as good as we'd ever done at that circuit,"

Schmuacher on his Silverstone test "I have a feeling I was not even on the limit"



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Posted 16 January 2012 - 01:13

Anyway - about the Michael vs Rubens in Hungary it was embarrassing. It's not the he gave the inside line it was that he was slowly pushing him to the wall. He expected Rubens to back off which he didn't and it could have been a nasty crash. Luckily it wasn't and I think it was en eyeopener for Michael. Why not for so many of his fans? Drivers sometimes make moves that are embarrassing.

It was a stupid move, and deserved a minor penalty. All the 'tried to kill him' and 'poor rubens' bullshit fails to account for the fact Rubens decided to stay in the gap ONLY because it was Michael and he wanted to make a point (He said so afterwards, that if it were anyone but Michael he would have backed out). I hope noone is suggesting he was in actual fear of his life at any time there..

#16610 Ragingjamaican

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 02:33

I read it in August. Why this need for "best ever" everywhere? Aren't you sure about it?
Anyway - about the Michael vs Rubens in Hungary it was embarrassing. It's not the he gave the inside line it was that he was slowly pushing him to the wall. He expected Rubens to back off which he didn't and it could have been a nasty crash. Luckily it wasn't and I think it was en eyeopener for Michael. Why not for so many of his fans? Drivers sometimes make moves that are embarrassing.
And yes - I watched my first F1 race in the 70s.


Webber did something very similar to Massa in Fuji 2008 but no one made a fuss, it was a bold move by Felipe.

Edited by Ragingjamaican, 16 January 2012 - 02:38.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 12:13

Is it my imagination or standards what is, or is not aceptable on the track has chnaged over the years? I do not have access (nor time for that matter) to proper video archives to check my suspicion, but I think during Senna/Prost years, and I would include Schumacher (at the end), hard nose driving was not only acceptable, but expected. Today we have ... well, something else. I think Michael was carrying forward some of it in his early career, and occassionally he will go like that again, which might suprise some of the girls on the track.

Edited by Sakae, 16 January 2012 - 14:30.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 14:24

I think your right, to many people ready to kick up a fuss these days, like Monza, i saw nothing wrong with his defending to Hamilton, but still everyone goes mad?

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 17:04

I think your right, to many people ready to kick up a fuss these days, like Monza, i saw nothing wrong with his defending to Hamilton, but still everyone goes mad?

Mostly because Monza involved LH and unfortunately he, whilst being a very, very good driver, does have a lot of morons who support him & have little or no clue/interest in F1 beyond their so-called TDG.


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Posted 16 January 2012 - 17:31

I think your right, to many people ready to kick up a fuss these days, like Monza, i saw nothing wrong with his defending to Hamilton, but still everyone goes mad?



I personally thought it was one of the best pieces of driving we'd seen all season - years ago the commentators would have been wetting themselves in glee at such a master class of defensive driving.....yet all we got from DC and Brundle was scorn tinged with an obvious heaping of jealousy and as we know the majority of new fans don't have their own opinions, they just emulate those of the commentators, hence the big stink.

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Posted 16 January 2012 - 18:27

I think your right, to many people ready to kick up a fuss these days, like Monza, i saw nothing wrong with his defending to Hamilton, but still everyone goes mad?



I guess DC and Marty are "jealous" of Michael Schumacher, still.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 13:29

I personally thought it was one of the best pieces of driving we'd seen all season - years ago the commentators would have been wetting themselves in glee at such a master class of defensive driving.....yet all we got from DC and Brundle was scorn tinged with an obvious heaping of jealousy and as we know the majority of new fans don't have their own opinions, they just emulate those of the commentators, hence the big stink.

You know what I think it was in Monza? Psychological warfare at its finest. Hamilton simply didn't make it stick, probably thinking about the championship or a little weak in the legs after a couple of shunts earlier that season in direct combat (Monaco, Spa).

Three incidents there were:

1. Curva Grande.
2. Before Lesmos (does it have a name?)
3. Before Ascari.

1. Schumacher takes the racing line. Although it looks and is a bit naughty, Hamilton has to back out of it. His front wheels are marginally ahead of Schumachers rears, just like Hamilton vs Massa in Singapore. Hamilton got the penalty there, FYI.
2. Hamilton pushes Schumacher into defense before the chicane, has a better exit as a result. That's cool, he has a faster car, he is faster but just have to pass. He threatens to come alongside, Schumacher intimidates Hamilton by coming off the line. Okay, that's where Schumacher has to stay IF Hamilton insists. If he does NOT and jumps out of the move, it gives Schumacher the right to come back at the ideal line to take the corner. That is what happened, the attack simply was over. If Hamilton had dared to make it stick (wouldn't have given him much chance at that point, can't look into the future but Hamilton might have had a chance on skill there), Schumacher simply would have had no case.
3. Hamilton drives Schumacher into defense again because his exit after Lesmo 2 is better. He sticks his nose down there on the outside but backs out of it, thus gifting Schumacher the privilege of taking the racing line again.

Sorry, I got to say that the haters have to build a better case against Schumacher for doing that. He is a driver who does do anything and doesn't take a thing for granted. Extreme on every aspect. There aren't so many guys on the grid who can do that. Kobayashi is good in dogfights and Webber also has his flashes of ruthlessness on-track. On pure racing skills Hamilton even might be better than Schumacher, he makes it look easy most of the time (creativity wise, creating opportunities) but on the psychological side he is not on the edge where Schumacher is. Oh, before you call me a fanboy, Monaco 2006 was utter stupidity, Jerez 1997 was bad too.

Edited by Jejking, 17 January 2012 - 13:36.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 13:50

With Rubens out, is it now more likely Schumi will stay for 2013, to top the table of most GPs raced?

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:32

The guy loves to race, regardless of that BBC interview people will cite, the "I only race to win", I believe he's happy enough to be mixing it at the top. After Spa, Monza etc. he had this massive, uncontainable, smile on his face. It's just the satisfaction of mixing it and still proving himself amongst the kids that is enough for him. However, another shitty car and shitty in-season development could put a stop to his career.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:42

With Rubens out, is it now more likely Schumi will stay for 2013, to top the table of most GPs raced?

I think the difference now is 38 races , so MS will need probably more than 2 years to beat this record.


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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:44

He´s very quiet at the moment. Usually he gives some bigger interviews in december/january, not this time it seems.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:50

Sorry, I got to say that the haters have to build a better case against Schumacher for doing that. He is a driver who does do anything and doesn't take a thing for granted. Extreme on every aspect. There aren't so many guys on the grid who can do that. Kobayashi is good in dogfights and Webber also has his flashes of ruthlessness on-track. On pure racing skills Hamilton even might be better than Schumacher, he makes it look easy most of the time (creativity wise, creating opportunities) but on the psychological side he is not on the edge where Schumacher is. Oh, before you call me a fanboy, Monaco 2006 was utter stupidity, Jerez 1997 was bad too.

I thought it was a great battle between the two drivers. Super defence by Michael and super determination by Hamilton. It was a very long time for both drivers and Lewis finally got past which was great to watch. I hope we see more of it this year even though the one move rule has been amended.

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Posted 17 January 2012 - 14:58

He´s very quiet at the moment. Usually he gives some bigger interviews in december/january, not this time it seems.

Doesn't have to answer any critics this year.

#16623 cheapracer

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Posted 18 January 2012 - 06:53

He expected Rubens to back off which he didn't and it could have been a nasty crash.


Rubens should have backed out of that and he had plenty of time too, he didn't, it wasn't a nasty crash and life continues.

If Rubens was concerned I suggest driving on Chinese freeways for practice.




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Posted 18 January 2012 - 07:03

Is it my imagination or standards what is, or is not aceptable on the track has chnaged over the years?


It's worse than that, F1 passing has become so difficult thanks to the morons running it that every other way to pass a car has to be looked at ie; penalties, teams take every chance they get to move their driver forward.

Note now anything that happens on track now the driver immediately screams for a penalty.


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Posted 18 January 2012 - 14:18

I think the difference now is 38 races , so MS will need probably more than 2 years to beat this record.


38 for race entries, 35 for race starts - which is probably a better barometer. Either way with a potential 20 races each year, he'd only need to do two seasons. And with no more wins he'd remain above Jackie in the table for highest win percentage. Though Seb V is closing in.

http://en.wikipedia...._driver_records (you'll need to turn Javascript off today to view)

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 17:34

Some good words from one of Schumi's old rival.

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Posted 20 January 2012 - 19:58

Good words from Damon. He's right, it is pretty amazing in this day and age to have a 43 year old on the grid and still able to put in a respectable performance.

#16628 ivand911

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 08:39

The 2012 Wish List
http://www.planetf1....h-List-For-2012
My favorite: 2,9,11,20.

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Posted 21 January 2012 - 11:57

Some good words from one of Schumi's old rival.


Damon's bitterness towards F1 in general seems to have completely vanished in recent years, highly underated (people tend to overlook his pre-F1 record) and easy to forget that without MS around he may have been a 3 x WDC.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 17:45

Damon's bitterness towards F1 in general seems to have completely vanished in recent years, highly underated (people tend to overlook his pre-F1 record) and easy to forget that without MS around he may have been a 3 x WDC.


What bitterness? the guy is one of the most level-headed and balanced World Champions in the last 20 years.


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Posted 22 January 2012 - 18:30

"the tallest tree catches the most wind"

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:49

Michael Schumacher and his son Mick were karting in Italy yesterday! :)

Schumy in shape with the karting circuit in Lonato

Michael Schumacher has arrived today in Lonato, at the South Garda track , for the most classic of training for a pilot karting. The best gym is definitely the track and the Kaiser knows.

Become a regular at the Italian go-kart tracks for quite some time, the seven-time F1 world champion was delighted with the speed of the karts in KZ, KF2 as well as with direct drive.

Assisted, as usual, by Tony Kart track and followed by Roberto Robazzi, turned in 41 "8. A time of absolute compliance, among the fastest track in Brescia. But it was not the only Schumacher on the track: nsieme him, in fact, has presented his son Mick. The young son of art, twelve years old and a few races behind him, seems to be following in the footsteps of his father and fell with him on the track, marking interesting times.

For those who missed the chance to see Michael on the track, he can always make a jump tomorrow - Friday, January 27 - as there will be a second day of testing.


http://translate.goo.....rce=BlogF1.it

Another article on this: http://translate.goo...a...4462&cat=40

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:37

Who knows, maybe we will see another schumacher on the grid in about 10 years. :p

#16634 ivand911

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:44

Who knows, maybe we will see another schumacher on the grid in about 10 years. :p

More like 6-7 years. And then his father will retire. :rotfl:


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Posted 27 January 2012 - 10:30

Mick displacing Seb? :)

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:27

Mick Schumacher vs Hugo Hakkinen for the 2024 FIA F1 world championship.

#16637 puxanando

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:59

Mick displacing Seb? :)


:rotfl:


#16638 puxanando

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 14:29

Schumacher with son.......

According to our friends at Italiaracing.net, Michael Schumacher carried out some long series of runs, yesterday, Thursday, aboard KZ and KF2 karts provided by the Tony Kart team.



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Posted 27 January 2012 - 17:50

Apologies if this has already been posted, it's a feature with where Michael gives DC a tour of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve before the 2011 GP. There are some quite funny moments especially at the end when DC almosts his the Mercedes spare front wings outside the garage and Michael says, "be careful we don't have many of those left"

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


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#16640 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 20:10

Karting must be a good way to keep those reflexes sharp.

#16641 merschu

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:47

Schumi yesterday attended a match of FC Köln.

When asked Lukas Podolski (player of the club) said:

Michael Schumacher was on the cabin gear. He has comforted you?
He told me that he is currently visiting his kart track. Everything else is private.

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Link to the article: http://translate.goo...2C11533694.html

#16642 merschu

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:23

Some more news.

According to this article Schumi now is going to become honorary citizen of Spa.

Michael Schumacher will be an honorary citizen of Spa

City Spa has decided to award the title of honorary citizen to the Formula 1 driver Michael Schumacher. The German driver has the best hours of Spa-Francorchamps and Spa wants to take this opportunity to remember that the circuit is concerned too.

For although the circuit is not in the territory of the commune, Spa historically participated in its creation. And it bears his name.

The price in the form of parchment, will be officially awarded to Schumi in City Hall Spa at the next F1 Grand Prix.The German said he was honored by the distinction that was issued and for the invitation to Spa.

http://translate.goo...pa-934799.shtml

#16643 ivand911

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:23

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2012-01-26 Schumacher Lonato Test
http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!

MS recorded time 41"8"' sec. Here is results from Lonato Winter cup 2011:
http://www.kartcom.c...ons/results/593
Look for KZ2, qual.practice times.

1 (24) VISSER BEITSKE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''005'''
2 (29) JOHANSSON JOEL ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''009'''
3 (44) DE VRIES NYCK ZANARDI / PARILLA / DUNLOP 42''016'''
4 (26) KOZLINSKI ARNAUD CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''037'''
5 (47) ABBASSE ANTHONY SODI / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''045'''
6 (48) FEDERER FABIAN CRG / TM / DUNLOP 42''052'''
7 (3) DE CONTO PAOLO ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''058'''
8 (11) DE BRABANDER YANNICK FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''059'''
9 (5) FORE DAVIDE CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''071'''
10 (58) PANACKOVA LUCIE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''087'''
11 (23) THONON JONATHAN CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''118'''
12 (10) PICCIONI ANTONIO FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''137'''

Not bad.

Edited by ivand911, 29 January 2012 - 10:38.


#16644 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 21:30

People have all but written off Schumacher.

Will he now be at his most dangerous?

#16645 Sakae

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 21:43

At their peril.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:02

Posted Image
2012-01-26 Schumacher Lonato Test
http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!

MS recorded time 41"8"' sec. Here is results from Lonato Winter cup 2011:
http://www.kartcom.c...ons/results/593
Look for KZ2, qual.practice times.

1 (24) VISSER BEITSKE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''005'''
2 (29) JOHANSSON JOEL ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''009'''
3 (44) DE VRIES NYCK ZANARDI / PARILLA / DUNLOP 42''016'''
4 (26) KOZLINSKI ARNAUD CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''037'''
5 (47) ABBASSE ANTHONY SODI / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''045'''
6 (48) FEDERER FABIAN CRG / TM / DUNLOP 42''052'''
7 (3) DE CONTO PAOLO ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''058'''
8 (11) DE BRABANDER YANNICK FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''059'''
9 (5) FORE DAVIDE CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''071'''
10 (58) PANACKOVA LUCIE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''087'''
11 (23) THONON JONATHAN CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''118'''
12 (10) PICCIONI ANTONIO FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''137'''

Not bad.


They were using different tyres. He's fast but he wasn't the fastest on the day he tested as it looks like ont he video.

#16647 jj2728

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:11

People have all but written off Schumacher.

Will he now be at his most dangerous?



All depends on whose trying to pass him.......

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:47

The thing nobody is talking about is that Schumacher was at his top form when he could count on the consistency of everything around him to also be in top form. This is what I hate about the Pirelli "added entertainment value" approach we have now: F1 is now more about "who can adapt on the spot and manage the tires the best?". That strikes me as more of rally-type of skill than F1. A guy known for being able to eke out the last nth of performance from a car is hamstrung in today's system.

I think if there wasn't the artifice of requiring to run two completely different tires during a race, as well as use tires that are deliberately designed to be a bit of a mystery, the field might be mixed differently.

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:41

I too am perplexed with this bold declaration by number of "experts" on this BB that unless you can drive a car competitively on latest specification tires, than you are not fit to drive in F1. (Thus telling MS to retire). I am rather thinking that sometimes it is more difficult to unlearn your craft which you honed over a decade or longer, and then re-learn again, than starting from scratch, which essentially many have done. Vettel, would be one of them, whereas Webber, like Schumacher, took their time.

#16650 jj2728

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:00

The thing nobody is talking about is that Schumacher was at his top form when he could count on the consistency of everything around him to also be in top form. This is what I hate about the Pirelli "added entertainment value" approach we have now: F1 is now more about "who can adapt on the spot and manage the tires the best?". That strikes me as more of rally-type of skill than F1. A guy known for being able to eke out the last nth of performance from a car is hamstrung in today's system.

I think if there wasn't the artifice of requiring to run two completely different tires during a race, as well as use tires that are deliberately designed to be a bit of a mystery, the field might be mixed differently.


But, and let me play devil's advocate here, if Schumacher is still on his game, still has what it takes and is more than capable of winning again, shouldn't ekeing out the last nth of performance from his car also include ekeing out the maximum performance from the tires? Everyone is playing on the same level field here. I think 2012 is going to be the make or break year for him. If, at the end of this season his performance is no better than that of 2011, then he should seriously consider hanging his helmet up for good.