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#16651 merschu

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 05:49

Michael Schumacher and his son Mick were karting in Italy yesterday! :)

Schumy in shape with the karting circuit in Lonato

Michael Schumacher has arrived today in Lonato, at the South Garda track , for the most classic of training for a pilot karting. The best gym is definitely the track and the Kaiser knows.

Become a regular at the Italian go-kart tracks for quite some time, the seven-time F1 world champion was delighted with the speed of the karts in KZ, KF2 as well as with direct drive.

Assisted, as usual, by Tony Kart track and followed by Roberto Robazzi, turned in 41 "8. A time of absolute compliance, among the fastest track in Brescia. But it was not the only Schumacher on the track: nsieme him, in fact, has presented his son Mick. The young son of art, twelve years old and a few races behind him, seems to be following in the footsteps of his father and fell with him on the track, marking interesting times.

For those who missed the chance to see Michael on the track, he can always make a jump tomorrow - Friday, January 27 - as there will be a second day of testing.


http://translate.goo.....rce=BlogF1.it

Another article on this: http://translate.goo...a...4462&cat=40

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#16652 Math89

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:37

Who knows, maybe we will see another schumacher on the grid in about 10 years. :p

#16653 ivand911

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 07:44

Who knows, maybe we will see another schumacher on the grid in about 10 years. :p

More like 6-7 years. And then his father will retire. :rotfl:


#16654 Sakae

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 10:30

Mick displacing Seb? :)

#16655 BRK

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:27

Mick Schumacher vs Hugo Hakkinen for the 2024 FIA F1 world championship.

#16656 puxanando

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 12:59

Mick displacing Seb? :)


:rotfl:


#16657 puxanando

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Posted 27 January 2012 - 14:29

Schumacher with son.......

According to our friends at Italiaracing.net, Michael Schumacher carried out some long series of runs, yesterday, Thursday, aboard KZ and KF2 karts provided by the Tony Kart team.



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Posted 27 January 2012 - 17:50

Apologies if this has already been posted, it's a feature with where Michael gives DC a tour of the Circuit Gilles Villeneuve before the 2011 GP. There are some quite funny moments especially at the end when DC almosts his the Mercedes spare front wings outside the garage and Michael says, "be careful we don't have many of those left"

http://www.youtube.c...feature=related


#16659 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 28 January 2012 - 20:10

Karting must be a good way to keep those reflexes sharp.

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#16660 merschu

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 08:47

Schumi yesterday attended a match of FC Köln.

When asked Lukas Podolski (player of the club) said:

Michael Schumacher was on the cabin gear. He has comforted you?
He told me that he is currently visiting his kart track. Everything else is private.

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#16661 merschu

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:23

Some more news.

According to this article Schumi now is going to become honorary citizen of Spa.

Michael Schumacher will be an honorary citizen of Spa

City Spa has decided to award the title of honorary citizen to the Formula 1 driver Michael Schumacher. The German driver has the best hours of Spa-Francorchamps and Spa wants to take this opportunity to remember that the circuit is concerned too.

For although the circuit is not in the territory of the commune, Spa historically participated in its creation. And it bears his name.

The price in the form of parchment, will be officially awarded to Schumi in City Hall Spa at the next F1 Grand Prix.The German said he was honored by the distinction that was issued and for the invitation to Spa.

http://translate.goo...pa-934799.shtml

#16662 ivand911

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 10:23

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2012-01-26 Schumacher Lonato Test
http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!

MS recorded time 41"8"' sec. Here is results from Lonato Winter cup 2011:
http://www.kartcom.c...ons/results/593
Look for KZ2, qual.practice times.

1 (24) VISSER BEITSKE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''005'''
2 (29) JOHANSSON JOEL ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''009'''
3 (44) DE VRIES NYCK ZANARDI / PARILLA / DUNLOP 42''016'''
4 (26) KOZLINSKI ARNAUD CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''037'''
5 (47) ABBASSE ANTHONY SODI / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''045'''
6 (48) FEDERER FABIAN CRG / TM / DUNLOP 42''052'''
7 (3) DE CONTO PAOLO ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''058'''
8 (11) DE BRABANDER YANNICK FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''059'''
9 (5) FORE DAVIDE CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''071'''
10 (58) PANACKOVA LUCIE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''087'''
11 (23) THONON JONATHAN CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''118'''
12 (10) PICCIONI ANTONIO FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''137'''

Not bad.

Edited by ivand911, 29 January 2012 - 10:38.


#16663 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 21:30

People have all but written off Schumacher.

Will he now be at his most dangerous?

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 21:43

At their peril.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:02

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2012-01-26 Schumacher Lonato Test
http://www.youtube.c...layer_embedded#!

MS recorded time 41"8"' sec. Here is results from Lonato Winter cup 2011:
http://www.kartcom.c...ons/results/593
Look for KZ2, qual.practice times.

1 (24) VISSER BEITSKE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''005'''
2 (29) JOHANSSON JOEL ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''009'''
3 (44) DE VRIES NYCK ZANARDI / PARILLA / DUNLOP 42''016'''
4 (26) KOZLINSKI ARNAUD CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''037'''
5 (47) ABBASSE ANTHONY SODI / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''045'''
6 (48) FEDERER FABIAN CRG / TM / DUNLOP 42''052'''
7 (3) DE CONTO PAOLO ENERGY / TM / DUNLOP 42''058'''
8 (11) DE BRABANDER YANNICK FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''059'''
9 (5) FORE DAVIDE CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''071'''
10 (58) PANACKOVA LUCIE INTREPID / TM / DUNLOP 42''087'''
11 (23) THONON JONATHAN CRG / MAXTER / DUNLOP 42''118'''
12 (10) PICCIONI ANTONIO FORMULA K / TM / DUNLOP 42''137'''

Not bad.


They were using different tyres. He's fast but he wasn't the fastest on the day he tested as it looks like ont he video.

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:11

People have all but written off Schumacher.

Will he now be at his most dangerous?



All depends on whose trying to pass him.......

#16667 Rubens Hakkamacher

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Posted 29 January 2012 - 23:47

The thing nobody is talking about is that Schumacher was at his top form when he could count on the consistency of everything around him to also be in top form. This is what I hate about the Pirelli "added entertainment value" approach we have now: F1 is now more about "who can adapt on the spot and manage the tires the best?". That strikes me as more of rally-type of skill than F1. A guy known for being able to eke out the last nth of performance from a car is hamstrung in today's system.

I think if there wasn't the artifice of requiring to run two completely different tires during a race, as well as use tires that are deliberately designed to be a bit of a mystery, the field might be mixed differently.

#16668 Sakae

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 01:41

I too am perplexed with this bold declaration by number of "experts" on this BB that unless you can drive a car competitively on latest specification tires, than you are not fit to drive in F1. (Thus telling MS to retire). I am rather thinking that sometimes it is more difficult to unlearn your craft which you honed over a decade or longer, and then re-learn again, than starting from scratch, which essentially many have done. Vettel, would be one of them, whereas Webber, like Schumacher, took their time.

#16669 jj2728

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:00

The thing nobody is talking about is that Schumacher was at his top form when he could count on the consistency of everything around him to also be in top form. This is what I hate about the Pirelli "added entertainment value" approach we have now: F1 is now more about "who can adapt on the spot and manage the tires the best?". That strikes me as more of rally-type of skill than F1. A guy known for being able to eke out the last nth of performance from a car is hamstrung in today's system.

I think if there wasn't the artifice of requiring to run two completely different tires during a race, as well as use tires that are deliberately designed to be a bit of a mystery, the field might be mixed differently.


But, and let me play devil's advocate here, if Schumacher is still on his game, still has what it takes and is more than capable of winning again, shouldn't ekeing out the last nth of performance from his car also include ekeing out the maximum performance from the tires? Everyone is playing on the same level field here. I think 2012 is going to be the make or break year for him. If, at the end of this season his performance is no better than that of 2011, then he should seriously consider hanging his helmet up for good.

#16670 jj2728

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 02:04

I too am perplexed with this bold declaration by number of "experts" on this BB that unless you can drive a car competitively on latest specification tires, than you are not fit to drive in F1. (Thus telling MS to retire). I am rather thinking that sometimes it is more difficult to unlearn your craft which you honed over a decade or longer, and then re-learn again, than starting from scratch, which essentially many have done. Vettel, would be one of them, whereas Webber, like Schumacher, took their time.


What are you saying?
That it is tougher for someone like Schumacher to adapt to the new regs, ie., tires, than it is for someone like Vettel?
Or that Shumacher and Webber took a decade to hone their race carft whereas Vettel honed his almost from the start of his F1 career?

#16671 Sakae

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 03:03

What are you saying?
That it is tougher for someone like Schumacher to adapt to the new regs, ie., tires, than it is for someone like Vettel?
Or that Shumacher and Webber took a decade to hone their race carft whereas Vettel honed his almost from the start of his F1 career?

Well maybe. I used to be pretty good as a junior on the hockey skates. Then I had for several years’ figure skating blades, and once when I borrowed hockey skates again, I was a laughing stock that day. Different technique altogether. I imagine that Schumacher might have taken many more adjustments than Sebastian, although last year it was getting better. To be sure, I would like to see him to drive a few laps on Bridgestone’s just for comparison.



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Posted 30 January 2012 - 08:43

They were using different tyres. He's fast but he wasn't the fastest on the day he tested as it looks like ont he video.

Are you sure we saw his fastest lap in the video? He tested all three kart types. What tyres he used then, I can't tell from the pictures. For sure some guys tried to prove something against him there.

Edited by ivand911, 30 January 2012 - 08:50.


#16673 Gintonious

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:47

Would love it if he went back to the old livery for his helmet, would be awesome!

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 12:50

Well maybe. I used to be pretty good as a junior on the hockey skates. Then I had for several years’ figure skating blades, and once when I borrowed hockey skates again, I was a laughing stock that day. Different technique altogether. I imagine that Schumacher might have taken many more adjustments than Sebastian, although last year it was getting better. To be sure, I would like to see him to drive a few laps on Bridgestone’s just for comparison.


Pics please! :D

#16675 cheapracer

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 13:07

I think if there wasn't the artifice of requiring to run two completely different tires during a race, as well as use tires that are deliberately designed to be a bit of a mystery, the field might be mixed differently.


Generally my sentiments for F1 at the moment, "Eff" the tyre crap, put 'rock hards' on them all and let the teams, drivers and cars sort it out - tyres should have no great bearing on results ... and I feel sorry for all the drivers these days being artificially held back.

Pics please! :D


Your hankering to see a man in figure skaters blades??

Edited by cheapracer, 30 January 2012 - 13:08.


#16676 as65p

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 15:08

Your hankering to see a man in figure skaters blades??


You don't have a sense of humour?

#16677 cheapracer

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Posted 30 January 2012 - 21:22

You don't have a sense of humour?


Did I not display humour?

..or do you need one of these :lol: to identify with?


#16678 Augurk

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 09:38

All depends on whose trying to pass him.......

Well it certainly won't be Rubens.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 11:57

Check it out, Scarbs was at Mercedes and participating in the engine build challenge, look who done it fastest!
http://scarbsf1.word...uild-challenge/

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:31

Check it out, Scarbs was at Mercedes and participating in the engine build challenge, look who done it fastest!
http://scarbsf1.word...uild-challenge/


Yay! Finally Michael was faster than Nico :clap:

 ;)

#16681 chrisaix

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 12:38

Yay! Finally Michael was faster than Nico :clap:

;)


And by a good margin of 15s  ;)

#16682 ivand911

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 13:36

Schumacher is not scared to get his hand’s dirty :)
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Tyre change under 3 sec.
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Guys from here I command the DRS.
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This is how it is done.
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See, I like 2atm at the front tyres.
http://www.tonykart....php?ID_news=274

Edited by ivand911, 31 January 2012 - 13:41.


#16683 cheapracer

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 14:19

Schumacher is not scared to get his hand’s dirty :)


Yay! Finally Michael was faster than Nico :clap:




Michael Schumacher is a Mechanic by trade.

#16684 ivand911

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 15:07

andrewbensonf1: Some Schumacher fans questioning blog claim he's a shadow of former greatness. You think he's driving at same level as when he won 7 titles?

andrewbensonf1: To Schumi fans: a) am not biased; b) he will always be a great for what achieved; c) he's obviously not as good as was, which was brilliant

Edited by ivand911, 31 January 2012 - 15:10.


#16685 DutchCruijff

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 16:13

"I do not think he will extend his contract,” the Austrian (Berger) told Auto Motor und Sport.
“He will be tired. I have to admit he drove better in 2011 than in 2010, especially in the second half of the season, and I can imagine he can improve even on that but still he has no chance against Rosberg.

“Schumacher will have to admit that, with an age over 40, it’s impossible to beat a young driver on the level of Rosberg.”

Both of them are a f*cking joke. Gerhard for his comments, Benson for his selective quotes. Numbskulls.

#16686 spacekid

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 16:53

"I do not think he will extend his contract,” the Austrian (Berger) told Auto Motor und Sport.
“He will be tired. I have to admit he drove better in 2011 than in 2010, especially in the second half of the season, and I can imagine he can improve even on that but still he has no chance against Rosberg.

“Schumacher will have to admit that, with an age over 40, it’s impossible to beat a young driver on the level of Rosberg.”

Both of them are a f*cking joke. Gerhard for his comments, Benson for his selective quotes. Numbskulls.


I think thats quite a harsh criticism. I've only seen the Andrew Benson quotes above, but I agree - Schumi is not driving at the same level as when he won his titles, which was brilliant. He just isn't at that same level.

I also respect Gehard a lot and don't think he's being unfair in his comments. Rosberg has been superb, and Michael has struggled against him. If anything I think its a testament to how good Michael used to be that he can lose pace and at the age of 42/43 still put in some really decent showings against much younger and such talented opposition as we have in the field.

I do still hold a very slim hope that Michael can build upon the improvements of 2011 and mount a decent challenge in 2012. But I have my doubts. Won't stop be ever being a fan, but he simply isn't what he was.

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 17:46

But there is a big difference between "not being the same as before" and "being a shadow of former greatness".

#16688 spacekid

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 18:10

But there is a big difference between "not being the same as before" and "being a shadow of former greatness".


I think we can put that down in part to journalistic hyperbole.

I think Gerhad's comments appear fairly well measured and honest.

#16689 DutchCruijff

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Posted 31 January 2012 - 18:40

"but still he has no chance against Rosberg.

“Schumacher will have to admit that, with an age over 40, it’s impossible to beat a young driver on the level of Rosberg.”

If at least you watched last season carefully, as Gerhard certainly didn't, he matched Rosberg and in actual fact really did beat him. To say he has no chance? Extremely desperate & bullshit.

#16690 cheapracer

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:41

Not sure why ex-F1 drivers believe that they need to be quoted. Also just before the season starts is really a silly time to be making statements when you consider MS got stronger in the last half of 2011 just finished and is going into new car rules more suited to him.

Very much a "wait and see" just now and guesses either way from anybody are pretty silly.



#16691 xlr8

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 04:48

"When an elephant is in trouble even a frog will kick him."

Gerhard berger's comments on Schumacher sums it up pretty nicely.

Edited by xlr8, 01 February 2012 - 04:48.


#16692 Mastah

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:26

Also just before the season starts is really a silly time to be making statements when you consider MS got stronger in the last half of 2011 just finished and is going into new car rules more suited to him.


I don't think you can call being trashed in Abu Dhabi as a sign of getting stronger.

Also what makes you think 2012 rules will suit him more?

#16693 Raelene

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:43

God I wish people would read properly - cheapracer said "last half of 2011...do you actually need stuff highlighted to understand..

#16694 Mastah

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 06:58

And in which half of 2011 Abu Dhabi GP was? Maybe you should listen to your own advice.

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:01

God I wish people would read properly - cheapracer said "last half of 2011...do you actually need stuff highlighted to understand..


When I went to school is was actually called "reading and comprehension".

I don't think you can call being trashed in Abu Dhabi as a sign of getting stronger.


He was last on the grid and finished 12th in China in 2004 so he must have been crap that year too.


Also what makes you think 2012 rules will suit him more?


It's well documented in this thread.

Edited by cheapracer, 01 February 2012 - 07:01.


#16696 Raelene

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:16

And in which half of 2011 Abu Dhabi GP was? Maybe you should listen to your own advice.



well maybe you could add all the other races in the last half...I mean it doesn't just relate to one race...or is that how you understand "last half" ...sigh...

#16697 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 07:36

Guys, there is no point arguing Mastah. His comments are always silly, just ignore him

I'd be interested in Berger's view on Webber vs Vettel if he thinks Ms doesn't have a chance against nico

#16698 Mastah

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 08:17

He was last on the grid and finished 12th in China in 2004 so he must have been crap that year too.


well maybe you could add all the other races in the last half...I mean it doesn't just relate to one race...or is that how you understand "last half" ...sigh...


The problem with "Schumi got stronger at the end of 2011" is that there is no proof whatsoever he was indeed getting stronger. Actually there is a proof he was getting weaker, as he couldn't repeat in the second half of the year his display from Malaysia, where he trashed teammate. All year they were more or less on the same pace (by that I mean within 3 tenths) with few dominant races from Nico.

It's well documented in this thread.


I've searched and except posts from Schumi fans I didn't find anything which could be classified as well documented. What would be welcome is article or even simple quotes from respected journalist or someone from F1 paddock, which would explain why car built according to 2012 rules will be more suitable to Schumi's needs.



#16699 Sakae

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 09:08

@Mastah: No one will give you any guarantees in terms of predictions for 2012. I think you know that well, so why ask? Question rather is how do you know that driver's had not extracted all what was car capable off last year? Michael acts as a lighting rod for years, and we, his fans, are use to it, but sometime I wonder motives behind all of this. Think about if you would be able to accomplish what he has, and then judge him.

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#16700 DutchCruijff

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Posted 01 February 2012 - 10:03

Guys, there is no point arguing Mastah. His comments are always silly, just ignore him

I'd be interested in Berger's view on Webber vs Vettel if he thinks Ms doesn't have a chance against nico

Well actually, Gerhard thinks Schumacher is as good as Webber and that Nico is as good as Vettel...