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#16851 george1981

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:03

Don't forget that in the days of Schumi and Rubens at Ferrari, tyres were allocated to a team and not a driver. Ferrari would assign Barichello to gather the bulk of the tyre data in practise and leave Schumi with the best rubber options for the race. That's a simple fact.


That's not entirely true. In those days the tyre regulations were different and drivers had to choose which tyre they would use for qualifying and the race before qualifying started.
The tyres were still allocated to the drivers but Ferrari often made Rubens do most of the running on Fridays to help gather data to decide which tyre to use for the rest of the weekend. So Rubens may have been made to use up more of his practice allocation of tyres but it wouldn't have affected his allocation of race tyres. In the days before engine and gearbox life were restricted this wouldn't have been much of a disadvantage. Where it might have hurt Rubens was in finding a good set up on Friday but there's not a lot in it.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:33

It really is in his hands, sadly I think he'll quit because he'll be satisfied with the past 3 years.


Why would a 7x WDC be satisfied with a laclustre (so far) return to the grid? I think anything short of winning again will be less than satisfactory to him, but hey, that's just my humble opinion.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:36

I was quite surprised by that, I was a huge Rubens fan and expected him to take it right to MS until MS demonstrated he was clearly was simply superior in every way - number 1 status having nothing to do with the consistent thrashing.



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#16854 BRK

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:42

Once again, it's this holier than thou stuff that irks me more than anything else. What's with this romantic notion twaddle? Someone has something to say contrary to the notion that your driver is a godlike creature and the insinuations start. For the record, where do you get off on calling what I have to say misplaced nostalgia? What is so misplaced about it? Have I called Clark the greatest ever? No. I have said nothing like that. I've said he's in my top 5 and that Schumacher is not. That fires you folk up for sure.
There is nothing misplaced at all. You make degrading remarks about TNF, yet it's rare I notice that you even bother to post there. You obviously were either not around nor following the sport back in the day to make such a flippant comment as that. I assume that you forget the dangers, injuries and deaths from 'back in the day'. The difference between you and I is that I do not put Schumacher on a pedestal and worship at his alter. You love to throw out phrases like miniscule minority and misplaced nostalgia as if you were the wise old sage of RC and everybody who disagrees with your fanboy perception and hero worshipping obsession with Schumacher is utterly wrong.


First off, the post about Clark (which you couldn't pass up because my quoting Surtees about Clark not being much of a fighter probably 'irked' you) was intended for fenderjaguar, who said Schumacher was not like 'Clark and Senna'. I pointed out the similarities in their careers and how there's even a good case to be made for why Schumacher's career had been the more impressive of the two.

Second, I thought I had pointed out in a very polite and gentlemanly manner also that I don't (nor does anyone here, I think) give a frick about your opinion or whether or not you ranked Schumacher in your personal top five, while still never questioning your right to have an opinion. I linked to the recent poll on this forum where MS came out on top, which I thought was surprising considering how partisan the attitude of the English-speaking world has been to Schumacher in the past. So basically your opinion is indeed in a minority, and a very small one at that. I don't see what's wrong with stating that as fact.


I probably wouldn't rank Clark in my top five either as I don't think he was as good as Schumacher. That would be an unpopular opinion and one in a minority, does that irk you too?

Third, reading your post it's clear you are the agitated, offended party. I for one see no reason to swallow nonsense about how yesteryear drivers were somehow better than those from later generations simply because they happened to be born in an era when the sport was more dangerous. Somehow I get the feeling if it was Schumacher that had dominated the sport in the 60s people wouldn't be saying the same thing. :rolleyes:

So anyway, enough about Clark. :lol:

Edited by BRK, 05 February 2012 - 15:45.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:44

Why would a 7x WDC be satisfied with a laclustre (so far) return to the grid? I think anything short of winning again will be less than satisfactory to him, but hey, that's just my humble opinion.

Driving as good as Rosberg, Hamilton et al = Satisfied.
Winning = Supreme satisfaction.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 15:47

Why would a 7x WDC be satisfied with a laclustre (so far) return to the grid? I think anything short of winning again will be less than satisfactory to him, but hey, that's just my humble opinion.


Did it cross your mind that all it matters for him is how he feels about it?

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 16:36

Third, reading your post it's clear you are the agitated, offended party. I for one see no reason to swallow nonsense about how yesteryear drivers were somehow better than those from later generations simply because they happened to be born in an era when the sport was more dangerous. Somehow I get the feeling if it was Schumacher that had dominated the sport in the 60s people wouldn't be saying the same thing. :rolleyes:

So anyway, enough about Clark. :lol:


Ok, enough about Clark. And I'm neither agitated nor offended, and yet I am not saying nor have ever said that even though those times were more dangerous, the drivers were somehow better. Different eras cannot be compared, and in fact 2 of the drivers that I rank in my personal top 5 raced before even Clark and Fangio.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 16:39

Did it cross your mind that all it matters for him is how he feels about it?

That's the nice thing about being Michael Schumacher 7 * WDC I guess.
He's way past caring what other people think about him and if he wants to drive F1 a car will be there for him when alternatively if he doesn't enjoy it anymore he can stop instantly and go his merry way.



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Posted 05 February 2012 - 16:41

Did it cross your mind that all it matters for him is how he feels about it?


Yes of course it's crossed my mind and that is why I believe anything other than winning will be less than satisfactory for him. Do you honestly believe that IF 2012 is a repeat of 2010 and 2011 that he'll step away from the sport, should he step away, and be satisfied with a return that was laclustre by any standards? I sure don't.

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#16860 DutchCruijff

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 16:42

Ok, enough about Clark. And I'm neither agitated nor offended, and yet I am not saying nor have ever said that even though those times were more dangerous, the drivers were somehow better. Different eras cannot be compared, and in fact 2 of the drivers that I rank in my personal top 5 raced before even Clark and Fangio.

Bravo, coming out with holier than thou "different eras cannot be compared" then contradicting yourself within the space of a few words. :rotfl:

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 16:48

Ah these smileys. They are so funny.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 17:07

Bravo, coming out with holier than thou "different eras cannot be compared" then contradicting yourself within the space of a few words. :rotfl:



WTF is contradictory about saying that 2 of my personal top 5 raced before Clark and Fangio?
I'm not comparing eras
I'm voicing my personal opinion


#16863 halifaxf1fan

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 17:24

With Michael possibly nearing the end of his illustrious and very successful career, ....

What are my wishes for him in 2012: a podium to be sure. It will be a grand feeling, to see Michael one more time on the rostrum. If it will be the top step remains to be seen, but I expect a celebration equal to Rubens Barrichello in Valencia 2009 - the whole pit lane was cheering Rubens back then. With Michael it should be at least as big a celebration, and we might see a very special, human side of Michael, that he usually hides well behind his professional demeanor. So yeah, let it be a win, even if that makes the line of wins (91, 51, 41, 31) a little different with his 92nd win.

Considering the second half of 2011 and the fact that the rules did not change that much, I would also expect that in 2012 Michael will indeed defeat Nico Rosberg, at least in points.


I think Nico has more fight in him than we have generally seen. When MS was pushing closer to him at the end of last season Nico stepped up being especially at Yas Marina where he was very combative.

It will be an interesting and close battle but in the end I think Rosberg will prevail. A podium though for MS would be a very fitting reward for all his hard work.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 05 February 2012 - 17:34.


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Posted 05 February 2012 - 19:24

I think Nico has more fight in him than we have generally seen. When MS was pushing closer to him at the end of last season Nico stepped up being especially at Yas Marina where he was very combative.

It will be an interesting and close battle but in the end I think Rosberg will prevail. A podium though for MS would be a very fitting reward for all his hard work.


Sincerely, though not a Schumacher fan at all, I believe that Schumacher will better Rosberg in points 2012. And to have the old man gain one last podium, even a win, will be legendary.

There was quite an interesting long interview with Gerhard Berger in AMuS:

http://www.auto-moto...en-4333233.html

In it Berger says what you express as well: "Schumacher cannot "bend" Rosberg anymore". Berger also expresses interest in how good Rosberg would do vis-a-vis Vettel. Yet he concedes that another car related drought could be deadly for Rosberg's racing spirit.

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 20:22

Sincerely, though not a Schumacher fan at all, I believe that Schumacher will better Rosberg in points 2012. And to have the old man gain one last podium, even a win, will be legendary.

There was quite an interesting long interview with Gerhard Berger in AMuS:

http://www.auto-moto...en-4333233.html

In it Berger says what you express as well: "Schumacher cannot "bend" Rosberg anymore". Berger also expresses interest in how good Rosberg would do vis-a-vis Vettel. Yet he concedes that another car related drought could be deadly for Rosberg's racing spirit.



Indeed, Berger thinks very highly of Rosberg. He even places Rosberg as a worthy competitor to Vettel. Hopefully the Mercedes is a better car* than last and it will allow both Rosberg and MS to use their full talents in what could be their final showdown.

*On this point it is a bit concerning that they are missing the first test however it may just be part of their plan to delay the new car.

Edited by halifaxf1fan, 05 February 2012 - 20:25.


#16866 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 05 February 2012 - 22:50

I think Nico has more fight in him than we have generally seen. When MS was pushing closer to him at the end of last season Nico stepped up being especially at Yas Marina where he was very combative.

It will be an interesting and close battle but in the end I think Rosberg will prevail. A podium though for MS would be a very fitting reward for all his hard work.


Nico has only shown such bravado against Schumacher. The rest of the time he has been intimidated by Alonso, Hamilton et al and been overtaken or put up very little resistance.
It's almost as if he knows that any weak showing against an ageing Schumacher will destroy his future F1 prospects. Really, he is in a lose-lose situation.

If this is another mediocre year for Mercedes, I suspect Rosberg will exercise some leave clause on his contract that will have been written in. Six years without a win in your prime years racing in the midfield in a VERY talented era? The longer the drought, the more chance he will have as being described as another Fisichella.

Edited by Ferrari_F1_fan_2001, 05 February 2012 - 22:56.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 01:59

I agree with you, Mansell was faster regardless but I just pointed out that the imense gaps were in 92 where in some ocasions it was around 2 seconds, something which only Schumacher imposed to Patrese in 93 as well. Even though Nigel was faster than Ricardo, I suspect, something with the 92 really streched the gap.

Yes it's true, the gap became bigger in 92' because Patrese was uncomfortable with the active suspension system, and lacked faith in it. He was afraid of losing control in the car in case something went wrong with the system unexpectedly in middle of a corner.

Some days ago, I watched the 2nd qualifying for Silverstone in 93 again and Schumacher damaged his car and couldn't use the spare one so he had to wait Patrese do his 12 laps to use his car to qualify. Despite using Patrese's car, Schumacher qualified 2 seconds ahead of Ricardo which was a proof for me that the fight was fair, they were not boycottng Ricardo's car and the gap was really that big.

Patrese was not a bad driver, though. I think his 39 years, at the time, were making him maybe a second slower than his peak.


IMO Schumacher's dominance at Benetton in 93 really came down to a few main factors:
1. His extraordinary talent. One of the most valued qualities he displayed during his first career was the ability to extract maximum performance from a tricky car to handle. He would work around the shortcomings of the car, in the cockpit. A few years ago Patrese commented on it, how he had pointed out to the Benetton staff the various problems of the B193; however he had been dismissed(wrongfully) since they had seen Schumi as a mirror to the quality of the car! When the car was less than stellar and below, the gap between Michael and his teammates would seem larger than normal.
2. The B193B featured an active suspension from the European GP onward(Donington). And as we know, Patrese never liked the active type. In addition, as I understood, the system was inferior to the Williams's thus I suspect it made his experience in the car far from perfect.
3. Flavio Briatore. No need to explain the questionable pattern of how has he treats his drivers whom are not considered the "favourite-son". Here are Riccardo's words regarding this matter:

"...When I came to the end of my career I was a little bit tired. My last season had not been very good because of Mr Briatore and I do not have a very good opinion of him. Of course, the last part of his F1 career has seen his reputation go down and it is not for me to make any more comment."

4. As you correctly mentioned, Patrese's age affected his performance by that stage. A driver aged 39 against a 24 year old is a bit too much to handle. Reflexes, fitness degrades over time. That is why I find it admirable how Schumi at 43 of age handles himself well against Rosberg. It proves his mental strength and his greatness in my view.

Edited by MarioKart, 06 February 2012 - 02:09.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 03:39

Bravo, coming out with holier than thou "different eras cannot be compared" then contradicting yourself within the space of a few words. :rotfl:


IMO I don't find it contradicting at all. A person can assess a driver's importance:
a. Based on a variety of aspects within the era in which he competed.
b. By addressing and evaluating the changes and pros/cons of said era.

That includes =
>the relative danger/risk of being a racing driver (safety of cars and circuits during the season, number of crashes due to action and traffic on track etc).
>regulations.
>common driving style.
>percentage of overtaking in a race.
>the skill required to drive the cars.
> Professionalism and pool of talent/competition in the world of motor racing at a specific time.
>the significance of the drivers' involvement in managing their races, and careers in their respective teams.
>level of competition/percentage of proven drivers on track(winners, champions), and more...

By dividing the history of F1 into periods of time and placing a main driver/'s on top of each point in timeline (all in a subjective manner of course), this type of personal top 5 can be done. :)


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 04:56

I was quite surprised by that, I was a huge Rubens fan and expected him to take it right to MS until MS demonstrated he was clearly was simply superior in every way - number 1 status having nothing to do with the consistent thrashing.



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I also thought that and Rubens even admitted on interviews that Schumacher was really faster than him in most of the time and this was from driver talent point of view and not regarding number 1 status or whatever.

PS: lol, I always thought you were a Chinaman rather than Webber's countrymate.

This thread should be re-titled "Welcome to Cloud Cuckoo Land"

Quote Wikipedia "Cloud Cuckoo Land refers to an unrealistically idealistic state where everything is perfect. ("You're living in Cloud Cuckoo Land.") It hints that the person referred to is naïve, unaware of reality or deranged in holding such an optimistic belief."

Both sides can always claim such things.... When one thinks differently than the other, he will often think of the other opinion as being of phantasy nature.

Yes it's true, the gap became bigger in 92' because Patrese was uncomfortable with the active suspension system, and lacked faith in it. He was afraid of losing control in the car in case something went wrong with the system unexpectedly in middle of a corner.

thanks for the info, I didn't know that.

IMO Schumacher's dominance at Benetton in 93 really came down to a few main factors:
1. His extraordinary talent. One of the most valued qualities he displayed during his first career was the ability to extract maximum performance from a tricky car to handle. He would work around the shortcomings of the car, in the cockpit. A few years ago Patrese commented on it, how he had pointed out to the Benetton staff the various problems of the B193; however he had been dismissed(wrongfully) since they had seen Schumi as a mirror to the quality of the car! When the car was less than stellar and below, the gap between Michael and his teammates would seem larger than normal.
2. The B193B featured an active suspension from the European GP onward(Donington). And as we know, Patrese never liked the active type. In addition, as I understood, the system was inferior to the Williams's thus I suspect it made his experience in the car far from perfect.
3. Flavio Briatore. No need to explain the questionable pattern of how has he treats his drivers whom are not considered the "favourite-son". Here are Riccardo's words regarding this matter:
4. As you correctly mentioned, Patrese's age affected his performance by that stage. A driver aged 39 against a 24 year old is a bit too much to handle. Reflexes, fitness degrades over time. That is why I find it admirable how Schumi at 43 of age handles himself well against Rosberg. It proves his mental strength and his greatness in my view.

again thanks for the info. Do you remember if Mclaren ever introduced active suspension in 93? I think I head Murray Walker or John Watson making comments claiming so but can't be sure about it.(I ask this just as curiosity, I don't want to prove or say anything with it)

Edited by Kubiccia, 06 February 2012 - 04:58.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:05

Looking all this debate, I somehow think that MS prove himself until now for those 20 years? No? What are you exactly discussing?
I think it was McLaren who featured an active suspension from the European GP onward(Donington)? Williams did it later, not sure about Benetton.

Edited by ivand911, 06 February 2012 - 08:05.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:05

thanks for the info, I didn't know that.

again thanks for the info. Do you remember if Mclaren ever introduced active suspension in 93? I think I head Murray Walker or John Watson making comments claiming so but can't be sure about it.(I ask this just as curiosity, I don't want to prove or say anything with it)

You're welcome. :)
McLaren toyed with the idea of active suspension as early as 1988 but only in the beginning of testing. They experimented with the system yet again in testing in 1992, with the MP4/7B. However only then, in 1993, did the world of F1 finally see the team introducing it officially on the MP4/8 model, along with a semi-automatic gearbox (which had been used in the MP4/7A already) and a traction control system to boot. The Benetton B193B had the triple win of the above technology the same year as well.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 08:27

Looking all this debate, I somehow think that MS prove himself until now for those 20 years? No? What are you exactly discussing?

Well currently 423 pages of Schumi discussion DO exist! I'm a big fan of him but not all of the people here are.

I think it was McLaren who featured an active suspension from the European GP onward(Donington)? Williams did it later, not sure about Benetton.

Regarding the timeline of the introduction to active suspension ,no to all of the above. :)


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:04

Regarding the timeline of the introduction to active suspension ,no to all of the above. :)

Maybe I mistaken it with traction control. Because only McLaren and Williams have TC at Donington 1993. This is what they say before race started.

Edited by ivand911, 06 February 2012 - 09:19.


#16874 BRK

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 09:08

That is why I find it admirable how Schumi at 43 of age handles himself well against Rosberg. It proves his mental strength and his greatness in my view.


Same here. I think most reasonable people that aren't fans of Schumacher would concede and conclude this is the case.

However, I don't think we've seen the last champion to make a return at 40+, it's probably years\decades down the road but someone from the current grid will, I think, return when they are past their best: if this board is still around then I'll be right here, waiting. :p

#16875 DutchCruijff

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 12:38

IMO I don't find it contradicting at all. A person can assess a driver's importance:
a. Based on a variety of aspects within the era in which he competed.
b. By addressing and evaluating the changes and pros/cons of said era.

That includes =
>the relative danger/risk of being a racing driver (safety of cars and circuits during the season, number of crashes due to action and traffic on track etc).
>regulations.
>common driving style.
>percentage of overtaking in a race.
>the skill required to drive the cars.
> Professionalism and pool of talent/competition in the world of motor racing at a specific time.
>the significance of the drivers' involvement in managing their races, and careers in their respective teams.
>level of competition/percentage of proven drivers on track(winners, champions), and more...

By dividing the history of F1 into periods of time and placing a main driver/'s on top of each point in timeline (all in a subjective manner of course), this type of personal top 5 can be done. :)

"the relative risk of being a racing driver"? You use the word relative, do you know what relative means? It involves a comparison. There's essentially 8 decades of racing, do you expect to create a Top 5 by 8 main drivers from the 8 eras?

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 14:16

"the relative risk of being a racing driver"? You use the word relative, do you know what relative means? It involves a comparison.


So? Who said the only comparison needs to be made as an outer comparison between the different eras? :confused:
As I said, an importance of a driver can be evaluated within the era he's racing.
If you check an era's number of fatalities during testing, qualifying, racing then yes you can assess the relative risk within this point in timeline.

There's essentially 8 decades of racing, do you expect to create a Top 5 by 8 main drivers from the 8 eras?

I said "main driver/'s on top of each point in timeline" hence the plural option of having 2 (or even more) most important drivers in one era.
Secondly, once a person "filter" each era in order to create his top drivers list (again, it can be 15 drivers for all I know, it's subjective) a comparison would be made between the drivers not the eras! The reason? IMO because the level of importance between those drivers is not the same to one's point of view.


#16877 DutchCruijff

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 14:52

I'm not entirely sure where this "importance" word has come from? We're not discussing jj's Top 5 of importance, we're discussing his Top 5 greatest drivers.

Nevermind, I've taken this thread too far away so let's stop this discussion.

#16878 MarioKart

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 15:03

I'm not entirely sure where this "importance" word has come from? We're not discussing jj's Top 5 of importance, we're discussing his Top 5 greatest drivers.

Yes but the bottom line is it all comes down to subjectiveness of the person, isn't it? there is no definitive truth of a "top 5 greatest drivers".

Nevermind, I've taken this thread too far away so let's stop this discussion.

Fine by me.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 17:05

Mark Slade Leaves Mercedes GP and Schumacher to Rejoin Raikkonen at Lotus
6 February 2012

Kimi Raikkonen will get Mark Slade as his race engineer at Lotus.

Slade worked with Raikkonen already during his McLaren years.

Slade moves to Lotus from Mercedes GP where he worked as Michael Schumacher's race engineer.

http://www.mtv3.fi/u...-kisainsinoorin


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#16880 Urawa

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 17:11

nooooooooooo

can´t be good to change race engineers like underwear all the time

#16881 Spa95

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 17:21

nooooooooooo

can´t be good to change race engineers like underwear all the time

This is Mark Slade, his last GP as MS race engineer was at the Hungarian GP last year.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 17:27

This is Mark Slade, his last GP as MS race engineer was at the Hungarian GP last year.


ah right, i was twisting names here and thought he replaced Shovlin by the end of last season

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:08

Mark Slade Leaves Mercedes GP and Schumacher to Rejoin Raikkonen at Lotus
6 February 2012

Kimi Raikkonen will get Mark Slade as his race engineer at Lotus.

Slade worked with Raikkonen already during his McLaren years.

Slade moves to Lotus from Mercedes GP where he worked as Michael Schumacher's race engineer.

http://www.mtv3.fi/u...-kisainsinoorin


This is Mark Slade, his last GP as MS race engineer was at the Hungarian GP last year.


Like Spa95 said Mark Slade stopped working as Schumi's race engineer midway through the season. From Spa onward Peter Bonnington and Jock Clear has been working as Schumi's Race engineer and performance engineer. At that time Merc gave I did say a strange excuse saying Mark Slade just didn't want to travel anymore!

Here is the old statement:

Schumacher changes race engineer
Fri, 26 Aug 12:05:17 2011

Michael Schumacher's race engineer at Mercedes has changed, with his former assistant race engineer Peter Bonnington taking over the role from Mark Slade.

Slade was formerly Kimi Raikkonen's race engineer at McLaren, and was recruited from Renault, where he worked with Vitaly Petrov, for this season. He has taken up what a team spokesperson described as "a factory-based role within race engineering" because he has "decided to stop travelling".

Bonnington assumes the role with immediate effect having worked with Schumacher since the seven-time world champion came back to Formula 1 at the start of last year.

Jock Clear, who was Nico Rosberg's race engineer last year and for the first three races of of this season before new recruit Tony Ross joined from Williams, has stepped in as Schumacher's performance engineer for the final eight races of the season while a permanent replacement is found.

The team said that the move had been made with immediate effect in order for Bonnington and Schumacher to develop their relationship ahead of the 2012 season.


http://uk.eurosport....e-engineer.html

On a different note I think Jock Clear will continue to work with Schumi this season!

Edited by merschu, 06 February 2012 - 18:18.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:14

I sure hope so. There really isnt a stable factor regarding Michael's race engineers the last two years compared to his period at Ferrari. And im sure that also isn't a good thing for Michael.

#16885 ivand911

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:15

Somehow Slade and MS didn't work good together. Then they say that Slade don't want to travel so much and will be based in factory. Now he become KR engineer , so the story with "not traveling" was BS. But, I still think there have to be some gardening leave? I guess he know some things about new W03.

#16886 George Costanza

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:33

I sure hope so. There really isnt a stable factor regarding Michael's race engineers the last two years compared to his period at Ferrari. And im sure that also isn't a good thing for Michael.



Michael probably wants Chris Dyer back.... but he's at Ferrari.

#16887 ivand911

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:09

Michael probably wants Chris Dyer back.... but he's at Ferrari.

He left Ferrari last year?

#16888 BRK

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:14

Can't wait to see Michael back in action today. When does he take over from Nico?

#16889 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:20

Can't wait to see Michael back in action today. When does he take over from Nico?


about now. Its lunchbreak.

#16890 Richardc

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:24

Sooo annoying it's the old car - has anyone seen any new parts on the W02?

#16891 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:30

Sooo annoying it's the old car - has anyone seen any new parts on the W02?


Not so far. Maybe new flaps on the FW? Suspension seems to be unchanged, and I could not spot any differences to last season as yet. Its the first half of the first day. If they are tyre testing, the less difference to last seasons config, the better. They are benchmarking so I would assume this is quite normal.

They are running with EBD as well.

Edited by Szoelloe, 07 February 2012 - 13:31.


#16892 salamin

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:31

He left Ferrari last year?


but not available till summer

#16893 Richardc

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:40

I was really hoping to see it without EBD, i guess that will have to wait for 2 weeks. I want to see if it affects MSC's driving style again.

#16894 BRK

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 14:02

13:58 A roar in the pitlane announces the arrival of Michael Schumacher, who has assumed driving duties for Mercedes for the final few hours of on-track action today.


Off we go, then. :cool:

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 15:52

Off we go, then. :cool:

Any way how to follow the laptimes etc?

#16896 ivand911

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 15:59

Any way how to follow the laptimes etc?

http://f1tests.co.cc/2012.php?rev=on
http://www.williamsf1.com/test-timings

Edited by ivand911, 07 February 2012 - 16:00.


#16897 Jejking

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 16:00

http://f1tests.co.cc/2012.php?rev=on
http://www.williamsf1.com/test-timings

_O_

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 16:24

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 17:42

Michael Schumacher Very Happy Kimi Raikkonen Is Back In F1 This Year
7 February 2012

Michael Schumacher says he is very happy to have Kimi Raikkonen back in Formula 1, after the Finn completed a perfect comeback to testing on Tuesday.

Seven-time champion Schumacher last raced against Raikkonen in 2006, before the German retired from the sport.

Raikkonen, who finished second to Schumacher in the 2003 season, is back in F1 this year after a two-year hiatus, racing for the Lotus team.

"I'm happy for him, very happy for him," said Schumacher at the end of the day at Jerez.

Full article: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97395

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 17:49

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From autosport article, more important parts:
"Basically to understand the new tyres," he said of the point of the test. "To get the basics right, we can obviously do cambers, pressures, and you can understand the tyres. Yes ideally you have the new car, but ideally you want to keep the new car in the windtunnel as long as possible.

"So it is this compromise, or this strategy in order to perform the best and we chose a different way than the others. Let's say how it pays out."

The German was happy with how the new rear tyres performed, and said they were more fun than last year's rubber.

"The rear end tyre is certainly better, a real comparison is not possible because we only had new tyres on. They are definitely more consistent and more fun to drive."

http://www.yallaf1.c...ercedes-report/
Jerez Test Day 1: Mercedes report
07.02.2012 Jerez, Spain - Nico Rosberg (GER), Mercedes GP Petronas - Formula1 World Championship Pre-Season Testing - Jerez de la Frontera +++ © Copyright: Stange / RACE-PRESS.com

Feb.7 (Mercedes) Mercedes AMG Petronas began its 2012 testing programme in Jerez today, using the team’s 2011 car, the MGP W02.

- Nico Rosberg tested during the morning while Michael Schumacher was in the car for the afternoon
- Both drivers completed a set-up programme which focused on learning about the behaviour of the 2012 Pirelli tyres
- The reliable 2011 car also allowed the team to accumulate valuable mileage on a number of test items for the 2012 season
-Michael will continue the test programme tomorrow, with Nico in action again on Thursday.

Nico Rosberg
“We made a very good start to our testing programme today and completed 56 laps this morning. I was driving the 2011 car, so it felt comfortable straightaway. We tested some different things in perfect weather conditions and started learning about the 2012 Pirelli tyres and how they work. I was really happy to be out on track in my Mercedes and I know that, back at the factory, our development of the new car is running according to our plan.”

Michael Schumacher
“After a long break, it feels terrific being back in the car and hitting the circuit again. Our main job was to get a first impression of the tyres for 2012 and to start understanding them. They feel like a step forward, more consistent and comfortable to drive, and the biggest difference is with the rear tyre. Thanks to everybody at Pirelli for their good job this winter. Let’s see what we can learn tomorrow.”

Edited by ivand911, 07 February 2012 - 17:57.