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#16901 Urawa

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 17:27

This is Mark Slade, his last GP as MS race engineer was at the Hungarian GP last year.


ah right, i was twisting names here and thought he replaced Shovlin by the end of last season

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#16902 merschu

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:08

Mark Slade Leaves Mercedes GP and Schumacher to Rejoin Raikkonen at Lotus
6 February 2012

Kimi Raikkonen will get Mark Slade as his race engineer at Lotus.

Slade worked with Raikkonen already during his McLaren years.

Slade moves to Lotus from Mercedes GP where he worked as Michael Schumacher's race engineer.

http://www.mtv3.fi/u...-kisainsinoorin


This is Mark Slade, his last GP as MS race engineer was at the Hungarian GP last year.


Like Spa95 said Mark Slade stopped working as Schumi's race engineer midway through the season. From Spa onward Peter Bonnington and Jock Clear has been working as Schumi's Race engineer and performance engineer. At that time Merc gave I did say a strange excuse saying Mark Slade just didn't want to travel anymore!

Here is the old statement:

Schumacher changes race engineer
Fri, 26 Aug 12:05:17 2011

Michael Schumacher's race engineer at Mercedes has changed, with his former assistant race engineer Peter Bonnington taking over the role from Mark Slade.

Slade was formerly Kimi Raikkonen's race engineer at McLaren, and was recruited from Renault, where he worked with Vitaly Petrov, for this season. He has taken up what a team spokesperson described as "a factory-based role within race engineering" because he has "decided to stop travelling".

Bonnington assumes the role with immediate effect having worked with Schumacher since the seven-time world champion came back to Formula 1 at the start of last year.

Jock Clear, who was Nico Rosberg's race engineer last year and for the first three races of of this season before new recruit Tony Ross joined from Williams, has stepped in as Schumacher's performance engineer for the final eight races of the season while a permanent replacement is found.

The team said that the move had been made with immediate effect in order for Bonnington and Schumacher to develop their relationship ahead of the 2012 season.


http://uk.eurosport....e-engineer.html

On a different note I think Jock Clear will continue to work with Schumi this season!

Edited by merschu, 06 February 2012 - 18:18.


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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:14

I sure hope so. There really isnt a stable factor regarding Michael's race engineers the last two years compared to his period at Ferrari. And im sure that also isn't a good thing for Michael.

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Posted 06 February 2012 - 18:15

Somehow Slade and MS didn't work good together. Then they say that Slade don't want to travel so much and will be based in factory. Now he become KR engineer , so the story with "not traveling" was BS. But, I still think there have to be some gardening leave? I guess he know some things about new W03.

#16905 George Costanza

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 03:33

I sure hope so. There really isnt a stable factor regarding Michael's race engineers the last two years compared to his period at Ferrari. And im sure that also isn't a good thing for Michael.



Michael probably wants Chris Dyer back.... but he's at Ferrari.

#16906 ivand911

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 07:09

Michael probably wants Chris Dyer back.... but he's at Ferrari.

He left Ferrari last year?

#16907 BRK

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:14

Can't wait to see Michael back in action today. When does he take over from Nico?

#16908 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:20

Can't wait to see Michael back in action today. When does he take over from Nico?


about now. Its lunchbreak.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:24

Sooo annoying it's the old car - has anyone seen any new parts on the W02?

#16910 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:30

Sooo annoying it's the old car - has anyone seen any new parts on the W02?


Not so far. Maybe new flaps on the FW? Suspension seems to be unchanged, and I could not spot any differences to last season as yet. Its the first half of the first day. If they are tyre testing, the less difference to last seasons config, the better. They are benchmarking so I would assume this is quite normal.

They are running with EBD as well.

Edited by Szoelloe, 07 February 2012 - 13:31.


#16911 salamin

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:31

He left Ferrari last year?


but not available till summer

#16912 Richardc

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 13:40

I was really hoping to see it without EBD, i guess that will have to wait for 2 weeks. I want to see if it affects MSC's driving style again.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 14:02

13:58 A roar in the pitlane announces the arrival of Michael Schumacher, who has assumed driving duties for Mercedes for the final few hours of on-track action today.


Off we go, then. :cool:

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 15:52

Off we go, then. :cool:

Any way how to follow the laptimes etc?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 15:59

Any way how to follow the laptimes etc?

http://f1tests.co.cc/2012.php?rev=on
http://www.williamsf1.com/test-timings

Edited by ivand911, 07 February 2012 - 16:00.


#16916 Jejking

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 16:00

http://f1tests.co.cc/2012.php?rev=on
http://www.williamsf1.com/test-timings

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 16:24

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 17:42

Michael Schumacher Very Happy Kimi Raikkonen Is Back In F1 This Year
7 February 2012

Michael Schumacher says he is very happy to have Kimi Raikkonen back in Formula 1, after the Finn completed a perfect comeback to testing on Tuesday.

Seven-time champion Schumacher last raced against Raikkonen in 2006, before the German retired from the sport.

Raikkonen, who finished second to Schumacher in the 2003 season, is back in F1 this year after a two-year hiatus, racing for the Lotus team.

"I'm happy for him, very happy for him," said Schumacher at the end of the day at Jerez.

Full article: http://www.autosport.com/news/report.php/id/97395

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 17:49

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From autosport article, more important parts:
"Basically to understand the new tyres," he said of the point of the test. "To get the basics right, we can obviously do cambers, pressures, and you can understand the tyres. Yes ideally you have the new car, but ideally you want to keep the new car in the windtunnel as long as possible.

"So it is this compromise, or this strategy in order to perform the best and we chose a different way than the others. Let's say how it pays out."

The German was happy with how the new rear tyres performed, and said they were more fun than last year's rubber.

"The rear end tyre is certainly better, a real comparison is not possible because we only had new tyres on. They are definitely more consistent and more fun to drive."

http://www.yallaf1.c...ercedes-report/
Jerez Test Day 1: Mercedes report
07.02.2012 Jerez, Spain - Nico Rosberg (GER), Mercedes GP Petronas - Formula1 World Championship Pre-Season Testing - Jerez de la Frontera +++ © Copyright: Stange / RACE-PRESS.com

Feb.7 (Mercedes) Mercedes AMG Petronas began its 2012 testing programme in Jerez today, using the team’s 2011 car, the MGP W02.

- Nico Rosberg tested during the morning while Michael Schumacher was in the car for the afternoon
- Both drivers completed a set-up programme which focused on learning about the behaviour of the 2012 Pirelli tyres
- The reliable 2011 car also allowed the team to accumulate valuable mileage on a number of test items for the 2012 season
-Michael will continue the test programme tomorrow, with Nico in action again on Thursday.

Nico Rosberg
“We made a very good start to our testing programme today and completed 56 laps this morning. I was driving the 2011 car, so it felt comfortable straightaway. We tested some different things in perfect weather conditions and started learning about the 2012 Pirelli tyres and how they work. I was really happy to be out on track in my Mercedes and I know that, back at the factory, our development of the new car is running according to our plan.”

Michael Schumacher
“After a long break, it feels terrific being back in the car and hitting the circuit again. Our main job was to get a first impression of the tyres for 2012 and to start understanding them. They feel like a step forward, more consistent and comfortable to drive, and the biggest difference is with the rear tyre. Thanks to everybody at Pirelli for their good job this winter. Let’s see what we can learn tomorrow.”

Edited by ivand911, 07 February 2012 - 17:57.


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#16920 Urawa

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 17:59

"more consistent and more fun to drive"

sounds good

#16921 merschu

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 18:46

Few pictures from today.

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#16922 Kubiccia

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 18:54

Michael Schumacher
“After a long break, it feels terrific being back in the car and hitting the circuit again. Our main job was to get a first impression of the tyres for 2012 and to start understanding them. They feel like a step forward, more consistent and comfortable to drive, and the biggest difference is with the rear tyre. Thanks to everybody at Pirelli for their good job this winter. Let’s see what we can learn tomorrow.”

"more consistent and more fun to drive"

sounds good

All this bla bla bla about the tires but he was still more than half second slower than Nico and both did their best on 5 laps stint. :|

#16923 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 18:57

All this bla bla bla about the tires but he was still more than half second slower than Nico and both did their best on 5 laps stint. :|


And? What has changed?


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 19:11

I know its only testing but when I saw the gap was 0.5s I just thought - thats a familar amount...

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 19:15

All this bla bla bla about the tires but he was still more than half second slower than Nico and both did their best on 5 laps stint. :|


But they were a second faster than Button so they will obviously fight for 2nd and 3rd behind the obvious winner after todays times - Kimi.

Or, test times mean shit ..... :lol:


After watching Kimi go around - - I am now more confident for MS's 2012, Kimi's handling of the EBD'less car (and whatever other changes the new aero's have offered besides the new tyres) was more like older style driving and very nice to clearly hear throttle on and throttle off again ...

... looks like more old style driver effort involved rather than driver's and mapping EBD management and that's a good thing for everybody in my books regardless of who comes out on top.





#16926 Szoelloe

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 19:21

But they were a second faster than Button so they will obviously fight for 2nd and 3rd behind the obvious winner after todays times - Kimi.

Or, test times mean shit ..... :lol:


After watching Kimi go around - - I am now more confident for MS's 2012, Kimi's handling of the EBD'less car (and whatever other changes the new aero's have offered besides the new tyres) was more like older style driving and very nice to clearly hear throttle on and throttle off again ...

... looks like more old style driver effort involved rather than driver's and mapping EBD management and that's a good thing for everybody in my books regardless of who comes out on top.


and there you are. Not much more to add, really.


#16927 ivand911

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 21:04

MS did today longer stints, Nico did short stints:
Nico:
Боксы (8)
9ч 32м 1:42.298 (5)
9ч 33м 1:41.939 (6)
9ч 35м 1:43.157 (7)

13:12:11 10 1:43.157 -496.843
13:13:10 11 1:43.157
13:14:56 12 1:24.622 -18.535
13:15:58 13 1:23.207 -1.415
13:17:12 14 1:22.326 -0.881
13:19:06 15 1:21.918 -0.408
13:20:12 16 1:21.379 -0.539
11:39:05 17 1:21.379
11:40:10 18 1:21.379
11:41:19 19 1:25.241 +3.862
11:42:07 20 1:22.597 -2.644
11:44:11 21 1:21.996 -0.601
11:56:07 22 1:21.996
11:57:11 23 1:21.996
11:59:07 24 1:21.170 -0.826
12:00:11 25 1:21.228 +0.058
12:01:05 26 1:21.451 +0.223
12:03:02 27 1:21.512 +0.061
12:04:07 28 1:21.162 -0.350
12:22:13 29 1:21.162
12:23:13 30 1:21.162
12:24:05 31 1:20.219 -0.943
12:26:07 32 1:22.154 +1.935
12:27:02 33 1:21.133 -1.021
12:28:07 34 1:21.248 +0.115
12:30:15 35 1:21.562 +0.314
13:08:04 36 1:21.562
13:09:12 37 1:21.562
13:10:02 38 1:23.650 +2.088
13:12:06 39 1:23.153 -0.497
13:13:18 40 1:24.946 +1.793
13:15:05 41 1:25.689 +0.743
13:16:03 42 1:24.273 -1.416
13:17:09 43 1:23.694 -0.579
13:32:10 44 1:23.694
13:33:05 45 1:23.694
13:35:06 46 1:23.349 -0.345
13:36:12 47 1:23.255 -0.094
13:37:07 48 1:23.417 +0.162
13:39:09 49 1:23.369 -0.048
13:40:03 50 1:24.242 +0.873
13:49:10 51 1:24.242
13:50:05 52 1:24.242
13:51:09 53 1:24.294 +0.052
13:53:08 54 1:24.723 +0.429
13:54:03 55 1:25.297 +0.574
13:56:02 56 1:25.297 P

MS:
15:56:01 0
15:57:08 1
15:58:03 2 1:25.163 -514.837
16:00:05 3 1:24.908 -0.255
16:02:06 4 1:24.908
16:04:03 5 1:24.908
16:07:09 6 1:24.908
16:09:02 7 1:24.908
16:11:13 8 1:24.908
16:30:11 9 1:24.908
16:31:06 10 1:24.908
16:32:11 11 1:20.794 -4.114
16:34:11 12 1:21.453 +0.659
16:35:06 13 1:30.229 +8.776
16:36:03 14 1:21.784 -8.445
16:38:03 15 1:21.949 +0.165
17:06:03 16 1:21.949
17:07:08 17 1:21.949
17:08:02 18 1:30.542 +8.593
17:10:06 19 1:21.368 -9.174
17:11:11 20 1:21.502 +0.134
17:13:12 21 1:22.232 +0.730
17:14:06 22 1:22.093 -0.139
17:15:01 23 1:22.189 +0.096
17:17:03 24 1:22.267 +0.078
17:18:09 25 1:22.364 +0.097
17:28:06 26 1:22.364
17:29:11 27 1:22.364
17:30:05 28 1:24.054 +1.690
17:32:06 29 1:24.873 +0.819
17:33:11 30 1:23.801 -1.072
17:47:02 31 1:23.801
17:48:09 32 1:23.801
17:49:03 33 1:23.504 -0.297
17:51:04 34 1:22.023 -1.481
17:52:09 35 1:22.531 +0.508
17:54:14 36 1:22.485 -0.046
17:55:07 37 1:22.891 +0.406
17:56:05 38 1:23.038 +0.147
17:58:20 39 1:23.146 +0.108
17:59:07 40 1:22.727 -0.419
18:00:03 41 1:22.772 +0.045
18:02:02 42 1:22.772 P

MS did a lot of test starts.

Edited by ivand911, 07 February 2012 - 21:13.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 21:50

All this bla bla bla about the tires but he was still more than half second slower than Nico and both did their best on 5 laps stint. :|


Don't worry, it's his strategy - he was on race set-up and saving tyres. Or something ;).


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:04

I know its only testing but when I saw the gap was 0.5s I just thought - thats a familar amount...


Same here. I saw the gap and thought damn! :well:
But since this is 2011 car with that diffuser I'm temporary optimistic :D

Edited by MCh000, 07 February 2012 - 22:07.


#16930 ivand911

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:04

Don't worry, it's his strategy - he was on race set-up and saving tyres. Or something ;).

No, we don't know what happened. So, better all keep quiet. Focus on the Leader Choko. :rotfl:


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:17

and there you are. Not much more to add, really.

this particular test in not that irrelevant as most others. They drove the same car on the same day and both were doing equal tests which is getting to know the new tires. Of course, the track changes from morning to afternoon and etc but still I'm kind of worried that nothing will change regarding gaps.

Don't worry, it's his strategy - he was on race set-up and saving tyres. Or something ;).

I never over used that "excuse". That might play a role in the gap but still, I think, most of it is coming of Michael's lost of speed.

Edited by Kubiccia, 07 February 2012 - 22:20.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:20

Same here. I saw the gap and thought damn! :well:
But since this is 2011 car with that diffuser I'm temporary optimistic :D



Yes lets make the most of it. We have 2-3 weeks before we see if Mercedes is sill the 4th quickest team.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:22

and both were doing equal tests which is getting to know the new tires.

I fail to see the logic in that
how do you assume they were doing equal tests?

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:26

I never over used that "excuse". That might play a role in the gap but still, I think, most of it is coming of Michael's lost of speed.


That is my opinion too, but some people can't accept that.


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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:43

It's probably been mentioned elsewhere but I can't see it, what exhaust & diffuser is the Mercedes running this week? Is it a 2011 EBD or is it a 2011 car but with a 2012 exhaust similar to that which was run at the young driver test at the end of last year.

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Posted 07 February 2012 - 22:47

It's probably been mentioned elsewhere but I can't see it, what exhaust & diffuser is the Mercedes running this week? Is it a 2011 EBD or is it a 2011 car but with a 2012 exhaust similar to that which was run at the young driver test at the end of last year.


Last years car with the EBD. If the new car is reasonable it should generate similar levels of grip.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 01:31

Wow you guys need to rush on over the the 2012 rosberg v schumacher thread and post '1-0 to nico, nothing else counts' right away. Ya muppets.

The talk about the back end seems very promising :)

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 06:47

Last years car with the EBD. If the new car is reasonable it should generate similar levels of grip.


Grip* is only a small part of it, it's the whole car's characteristics that Shumacher is hoping will be different - as I said, I'm hopeful after watching Kimi blast around.

*of course a high grip car with bad character is always preferable to a slow car with good ones ...


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 07:04

Team used 2011 car , but no off throttle blowing I think. They used 2012 engine map maybe.
Also Nico 1:21.170 and 1:20.219 stints were with soft tyres(according Autosport live). MS, 1:20.794 also soft tyres.

09:57 Rosberg is using soft tyres for this run.
09:59 Rosberg improves his time to 1m21.170s but remains 1.5s down on Raikkonen.
10:23 Rosberg sets out again on what appear to be fresh Pirellis.
10:24 Rosberg improves to a 1m20.219s, which puts him just 0.5s behind Raikkonen.
10:27 Rosberg goes by with a 1m21.133s, making good use of his new soft tyres.

AMuS:
15:33 With soft tires can improve Schumacher: 1:20.794 min, the three other cars with the silver colored medium-rubber on the road.

Let see today.  ;)

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 07:43.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 08:25

wow we really really have some muppets in here. I'm sure they will be able to tell us exactly what each driver's program was and how they must have beebn exactly the same to make any comparison about TESTING TIMES....

Do we really get more muppets every year????

#16941 merschu

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:27

According to Jordan Irvine who is there at the track today :

MercedesAMGF1 will be using the #W02 to test some parts today and new potential set ups so don't expect quick laps from MSC today...



https://twitter.com/#!/IrvineF1/status/...162374116220928

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:33

Also, track was faster in the morning yesterday

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:46

Team used 2011 car , but no off throttle blowing I think. They used 2012 engine map maybe.

Let see today. ;)


They would be shooting themselves in the leg by running without EBD, since they are benchmarking the new tyres. They ran with EBD all right. Don't even think about the times they set, it is so meaningless.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:48

According to Jordan Irvine who is there at the track today :

https://twitter.com/#!/IrvineF1/status/...162374116220928

Since the everlasting complaints of a certain Mr Eddie, am I the only one who finds these messages terribly ironic? :D



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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:51

They would be shooting themselves in the leg by running without EBD, since they are benchmarking the new tyres. They ran with EBD all right. Don't even think about the times they set, it is so meaningless.

I think that's true. Iirc they have Jerez data from the W02 before with the 2011 tyres so running without EBD would harm them. A little testing without the EBD to get the feeling back for both drivers will remain an option, although the real testing without EBD will probably be done as soon as the W03 rolls out, combined with the data about the tyres they are now learning about.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 09:53

They would be shooting themselves in the leg by running without EBD, since they are benchmarking the new tyres. They ran with EBD all right. Don't even think about the times they set, it is so meaningless.

I mean they can't compare with last year tests, they used completely different exhaust back then(middle side exhaust). Now on the car they have the last exhaust they have from the end of the year. Somebody say that no car is doing off throttle sounds, and this is why I thought they don't blow off throttle. They blow diffuser ,but not off throttle. Maybe.

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 09:55.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 10:34

I mean they can't compare with last year tests, they used completely different exhaust back then(middle side exhaust). Now on the car they have the last exhaust they have from the end of the year. Somebody say that no car is doing off throttle sounds, and this is why I thought they don't blow off throttle. They blow diffuser ,but not off throttle. Maybe.



But they have loads of data about the 2011 tyres on similar surfaces and tracks as this one, the second best thing to running the 2012 tyres on a 2012 car is running the 2012 tyres on a known configuration. That way the difference between the tyres is more predictable, IMHO, and they can extrapolate more precise data for the sim, I assume.

edit: On further thoughts, if they would not want to use the EBD, they could simply revert to the Abu Dhabi periscope configuration, but they haven't.

Edited by Szoelloe, 08 February 2012 - 10:37.


#16948 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:02

1 Schumacher Mercedes 1m18.622s 27
I believed them about slow laps. I feel cheated.

I think just raise the damn exhaust on W02 and voilа. Do we need W03?

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 11:03.


#16949 sharo

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:15

Ivan,
you seem to be a bit overexcited today :)

#16950 Jejking

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:18

Who isn't, with those thunderous engines steaming along in Jerez!