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#16951 sharo

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:27

Are you there? I haven't heard or read tests are broadcasted anywhere.
If yes, I envy you :)

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#16952 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:28

Ivan,
you seem to be a bit overexcited today :)

Nobody expected it. :clap: Ecstatic.


#16953 merschu

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:29

According to Auto Motor Und Sport Schumi's first 1:18.622 lap was on the soft tyres and and the even faster lap of 1:18.561 was on hard compound tyres.

Google translate:

11:59 Schumacher puts out a decent pound: 1:18.622 min with the German clearly takes the lead. His new record is more than half a second ahead of Webber. Before the fans cheer Silberpefeil now once again to remember that the Mercedes is still the model from the previous year angeblasenem diffuser. And Schumi had strapped on his fast lap soft tires.


12:11 Schumacher went out again and still has a reloading. He improved his personal best of 1:18.561 minutes total - but this time not on the soft tires but on the hard compound.


http://translate.goo...l...&prmd=imvns

Edited by merschu, 08 February 2012 - 11:34.


#16954 BRK

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 11:31

So am I. It seems those irrelevant laps nevertheless managed to piss some of the haters off out there.

#16955 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:35

MS is pounding lap after lap, which is great:
11:03:11 7 1:34.897 -505.103
11:18:04 8 1:34.897
11:20:03 9 1:34.897
11:21:08 10 1:23.328 -11.569
11:22:12 11 1:24.294 +0.966
11:24:09 12 1:23.484 -0.810
11:25:03 13 1:24.287 +0.803
11:39:10 14 1:24.287
11:40:05 15 1:24.287
11:41:11 16 1:21.334 -2.953
11:43:11 17 1:20.960 -0.374
11:44:05 18 1:21.999 +1.039
11:45:10 19 1:21.523 -0.476
11:47:11 20 1:21.474 -0.049
12:34:06 21 1:21.474
12:35:10 22 1:21.474
12:37:09 23 1:24.336 +2.862
12:38:02 24 1:21.173 -3.163
12:55:10 25 1:21.173
12:56:05 26 1:21.173
12:57:09 27 1:18.622 -2.551
12:59:08 28 1:19.537 +0.915
13:00:02 29 1:19.159 -0.378
13:08:13 30 1:19.159
13:09:06 31 1:19.159
13:10:01 32 1:18.561 -0.598
13:11:10 33 1:19.082 +0.521
13:13:10 34 1:19.435 +0.353
13:22:10 35 1:19.435
13:23:07 36 1:19.435
13:25:08 37 1:20.697 +1.262
13:26:04 38 1:21.569 +0.872
13:27:08 39 1:21.272 -0.297
13:29:06 40 1:21.551 +0.279
13:30:09 41 1:21.526 -0.025
13:32:03 42 1:21.925 +0.399
13:33:20 43 1:23.266 +1.341
13:34:08 44 1:22.813 -0.453
13:36:09 45 1:22.593 -0.220
13:37:02 46 1:22.846 +0.253
13:38:09 47 1:22.994 +0.148
13:40:12 48 1:23.142 +0.148
13:41:07 49 1:23.571 +0.429
13:43:06 50 1:23.801 +0.230
13:44:11 51 1:24.561 +0.760
13:45:06 52 1:24.357 -0.204
14:08:06 53 1:24.357
14:09:03 54 1:24.357
14:11:06 55 1:21.201 -3.156
14:12:07 56 1:20.997 -0.204
14:13:06 57 1:21.268 +0.271
14:15:03 58 1:21.199 -0.069
14:16:12 59 1:21.881 +0.682
14:17:06 60 1:21.841 -0.040
14:19:07 61 1:21.957 +0.116
14:20:12 62 1:21.877 -0.080
14:21:05 63 1:21.674 -0.203
14:23:06 64 1:21.816 +0.142
14:24:11 65 1:21.678 -0.138
14:26:11 66 1:21.831 +0.153
14:27:04 67 1:22.027 +0.196
14:28:09 68 1:22.571 +0.544
14:30:09 69 1:22.944 +0.373
14:31:04 70 1:23.071 +0.127
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15:56:08 74 1:25.221 +1.339
15:58:07 75 1:25.069 -0.152
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16:08:10 78 1:19.502 -5.567
16:10:10 79 1:29.308 +9.806
16:11:04 80 1:20.165 -9.143
16:13:02 81 1:20.625 +0.460
16:14:07 82 1:20.729 +0.104
16:15:02 83 1:21.455 +0.726
16:17:02 84 1:21.836 +0.381
16:18:07 85 1:21.617 -0.219
16:19:13 86 1:22.426 +0.809
16:21:11 87 1:23.643 +1.217
16:22:06 88 1:22.026 -1.617
16:23:11 89 1:21.975 -0.051
16:25:11 90 1:21.904 -0.071
16:26:04 91 1:22.841 +0.937
16:28:03 92 1:23.276 +0.435
16:29:09 93 1:22.664 -0.612
16:46:08 94 1:22.664
16:47:02 95 1:22.664
16:49:02 96 1:19.798 -2.866
16:50:08 97 1:25.714 +5.916
16:51:03 98 1:20.380 -5.334
16:53:02 99 1:21.235 +0.855
16:54:07 100 1:21.250 +0.015
16:55:02 101 1:21.447 +0.197
16:57:04 102 1:21.594 +0.147
16:58:10 103 1:21.445 -0.149
17:00:12 104 1:21.550 +0.105
17:01:07 105 1:22.039 +0.489
17:02:02 106 1:22.002 -0.037
17:04:12 107 1:22.013 +0.011
17:05:07 108 1:22.928 +0.915
17:06:04 109 1:23.270 +0.342
17:08:10 110 1:22.523 -0.747
17:09:05 111 1:22.606 +0.083
17:33:06 112 1:22.606
17:34:02 113 1:22.606
17:35:07 114 1:28.303 +5.697
17:36:03 115 1:19.790 -8.513
17:38:13 116 1:27.309 +7.519
17:39:07 117 1:20.536 -6.773
17:41:07 118 1:20.660 +0.124
17:42:03 119 1:20.611 -0.049
17:43:10 120 1:20.953 +0.342
17:45:02 121 1:21.478 +0.525
17:46:07 122 1:21.263 -0.215
17:47:05 123 1:21.974 +0.711
17:49:02 124 1:21.221 -0.753
17:50:09 125 1:21.308 +0.087
17:51:03 126 1:21.438 +0.130
17:53:09 127 1:26.365 +4.927
17:54:04 128 1:21.520 -4.845
17:56:05 129 1:22.790 +1.270
17:57:03 130 1:23.540 +0.750
17:58:03 131 1:22.387 -1.153
18:00:05 132 1:22.387

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#16956 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:53

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#16957 TheBunk

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 12:57

:up: :up: :up:

#16958 ali.unal

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:00

71 laps in the morning. Very good. Times are encouraging too, but still, I want to see new car doing lap after lap without a problem.

#16959 BRK

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:01

Solid mileage on these tyres for Michael. And great pics, Ivan, thanks for sharing!

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#16960 merschu

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:28

Peter Windsor tweeted:

Wonderful to watch Michael's driving on his long run this am: accurate, precise, consistent - a far cry from 2010/11.


https://twitter.com/#!/PeterDWindsor/st...233768162205699

#16961 Richardc

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:30

:smoking: :up:

#16962 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:30

IrvineF1 Jordan Irvine: I don't even know how, but Michael Schumacher just DESTROYED the time sheets!!! P1 with a 1:18.622 in the #W02 #F1 #SpyAmigo @MercedesAMGF1

IrvineF1 Jordan Irvine: @Spudells @MercedesAMGF1 I agree - I think everyone is a little impressed if I'm honest..!

Old, but still. :)

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 13:35.


#16963 cheapracer

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:39

According to Auto Motor Und Sport Schumi's first 1:18.622 lap was on the soft tyres and and the even faster lap of 1:18.561


And just to keep balance I will stick with those super fast times still having no foundation in testing - we have no idea what they are testing, they may be illegal parts or parameters and being tested for clarification.

Peter Windsor;
"Wonderful to watch Michael's driving on his long run this am: accurate, precise, consistent - a far cry from 2010/11".


Yeah right, because suddenly overnight and after 20 years he decided to totally changed his driving style - Windsor right on the ball as usual....

Edited by cheapracer, 08 February 2012 - 13:43.


#16964 Wi000

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:44

Wonderful to watch Michael's driving on his long run this am: accurate, precise, consistent - a far cry from 2010/11.

Nice, good to see Michael hit the ground running this year :up:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:45

From Sky Sports feed:

I also heard earlier from someone who has been trackside that Schumacher has been finding the car a bit of a handful.


Not surprising, few media laps and then back to reality...

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:50

From Sky Sports feed:



Not surprising, few media laps and then back to reality...

As usual you allow your bias to impinge on your ability to be constructive & logical.

Nice set of assumptions there.

As already pointed out, it's testing and very little counts. Even less so for the MERC as it's effectively last year's car on this years tyres. But still you appear with your agenda.

Credibility? Unlike MS you've completely lost all of yours.

#16967 MS7XWDC

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:52

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good to see MS' times today !

#16968 Sof1

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:57

Has anyone noticed any new parts on the W02 being tested?

#16969 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:59

Has anyone noticed any new parts on the W02 being tested?


no, and I don't know what they are hiding covering the back in the pits either,


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 13:59

From Sky Sports feed:



Not surprising, few media laps and then back to reality...

Good news about Schumacher, doing fine on his old day? BLASFEMY!

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Has anyone noticed any new parts on the W02 being tested?

Tough one. There were officially some modifications. Especially the rear end was covered up quite well, according to Ivan's pics.

O, I have a new wallpaper, guess what that might be :D

#16971 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:03

Has anyone noticed any new parts on the W02 being tested?

There is strange black panel ,at the back of the sidepods ,but picture isn't showing more. MS is back again on the track, he was in the box for 1,2 hours,maybe they installed something new.


#16972 Sof1

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:06

I Hope they come up with something special this year. We want/need to see MS on the podium already!

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:09

As usual you allow your bias to impinge on your ability to be constructive & logical.

Nice set of assumptions there.

As already pointed out, it's testing and very little counts. Even less so for the MERC as it's effectively last year's car on this years tyres. But still you appear with your agenda.

Credibility? Unlike MS you've completely lost all of yours.


It's testing and it's perfect opportunity to grab headlines. Yesterday Kimi topped charts to please sponsors, who were in Jerez (confirmed by his teammate!) and today Schumacher did the same to justify Mercedes involvement in the team and his presence and salary. I doubt Merceded is happy with non-winner schooling 7 times WDC two years in a row, so even such small "trick" helps Brawn and Schumacher in saying "hey, look, we were the fastest, give us some money and we will be back to winning ways". Of course wise F1 fans won't fall into that, but Mercedes board?


#16974 merschu

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:12

It's testing and it's perfect opportunity to grab headlines. Yesterday Kimi topped charts to please sponsors, who were in Jerez (confirmed by his teammate!) and today Schumacher did the same to justify Mercedes involvement in the team and his presence and salary. I doubt Merceded is happy with non-winner schooling 7 times WDC two years in a row, so even such small "trick" helps Brawn and Schumacher in saying "hey, look, we were the fastest, give us some money and we will be back to winning ways". Of course wise F1 fans won't fall into that, but Mercedes board?


You mean people sitting in the Mercedes board are idiots?


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:20

It's testing and it's perfect opportunity to grab headlines. Yesterday Kimi topped charts to please sponsors, who were in Jerez (confirmed by his teammate!) and today Schumacher did the same to justify Mercedes involvement in the team and his presence and salary. I doubt Merceded is happy with non-winner schooling 7 times WDC two years in a row, so even such small "trick" helps Brawn and Schumacher in saying "hey, look, we were the fastest, give us some money and we will be back to winning ways". Of course wise F1 fans won't fall into that, but Mercedes board?

Of course it's all a trick. Sponsors show up any place, any time. First outing with Kimi + new car. Suuuuuuuuuuuure. You should check out what Button had to say about it.

Same goes for Schumacher and his car is 2011-spec too, although the usage of EBD wasn't confirmed. Just heard that 'all' the cars sounded much more natural. His fastest time was set on the harder compound, by the way. So, it's testing, so, what? He's driving very well and consistent so far = fact. Look at the times for proof. He broke a really fast laprecord against a good bunch of youngsters weeks ago in the cold, on his 43th. So... you happy with your life? Still fed up with your hero going off the track causing red flags lately?

Edited by Jejking, 08 February 2012 - 14:22.


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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:23

Schooled 2 years in a row? Seriously that's all you got, then I suggest you go find a sport you understand. 2010 fair enough, but there's ample evidence of a closing gap - even though you steadfastly refuse to admit it, in fact you twist and distort facts to try to prove your theory which is evidence enough of your desperation - in 2011.

We'll see what 2012 brings, maybe NR will still have a clear (not 0.5 second gap despite what you love to believe) gap in qualifying and race pace will be much more even, or maybe it's going back to 2010 dimensions, or shock horror.... maybe MS could just make it work this season.

Of course it's speculation, what's not speculation is that if MS is indeed quicker this season, you & a few other sadly uninformed posters will attempt to claim something influenced it. Such as team orders, or MERC favouring MS in the overall design philosophy, or Pirelli, or NR was always shit & will always be shit...zzzzzzzzzz.

People like you create 95% of the drama and Ill-feeling on this forum because all you ever do is flame, there's rarely anything constructive or balanced in your posts and then you run crying when you get slammed down. :down:

We get it that you dislike MS, we get it that you think he's over-rated, we get it that you only come on this thread to throw your very own brand of cooked up theories & facts. We do get it. But sadly, you don't get it that MS isn't the devil, he may not be the greatest, but he is still a good driver, just not as excellent as he once was, and what's the shame in that? He's 43 ffs. Hell, I wasn't as good at my sport at 30 as I was at 20, Jeez, I did something sporty at 11 years old that would take me at least a year of hard training to come close to now.....

Sad to see that you get enjoyment out of your interaction here & on other threads where you maintain similar attitudes.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:23

It's testing and it's perfect opportunity to grab headlines. Yesterday Kimi topped charts to please sponsors, who were in Jerez (confirmed by his teammate!) and today Schumacher did the same to justify Mercedes involvement in the team and his presence and salary. I doubt Merceded is happy with non-winner schooling 7 times WDC two years in a row, so even such small "trick" helps Brawn and Schumacher in saying "hey, look, we were the fastest, give us some money and we will be back to winning ways". Of course wise F1 fans won't fall into that, but Mercedes board?

Going for headlines with old car?? Only you can fell for that. :rotfl:
I hope you get where I am going with that? :wave: Ciao.

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#16978 Jejking

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:35

Schooled 2 years in a row? Seriously that's all you got, then I suggest you go find a sport you understand. 2010 fair enough, but there's ample evidence of a closing gap - even though you steadfastly refuse to admit it, in fact you twist and distort facts to try to prove your theory which is evidence enough of your desperation - in 2011.

We'll see what 2012 brings, maybe NR will still have a clear (not 0.5 second gap despite what you love to believe) gap in qualifying and race pace will be much more even, or maybe it's going back to 2010 dimensions, or shock horror.... maybe MS could just make it work this season.

Of course it's speculation, what's not speculation is that if MS is indeed quicker this season, you & a few other sadly uninformed posters will attempt to claim something influenced it. Such as team orders, or MERC favouring MS in the overall design philosophy, or Pirelli, or NR was always shit & will always be shit...zzzzzzzzzz.

People like you create 95% of the drama and Ill-feeling on this forum because all you ever do is flame, there's rarely anything constructive or balanced in your posts and then you run crying when you get slammed down. :down:

We get it that you dislike MS, we get it that you think he's over-rated, we get it that you only come on this thread to throw your very own brand of cooked up theories & facts. We do get it. But sadly, you don't get it that MS isn't the devil, he may not be the greatest, but he is still a good driver, just not as excellent as he once was, and what's the shame in that? He's 43 ffs. Hell, I wasn't as good at my sport at 30 as I was at 20, Jeez, I did something sporty at 11 years old that would take me at least a year of hard training to come close to now.....

Sad to see that you get enjoyment out of your interaction here & on other threads where you maintain similar attitudes.

Well, truth be told. This year is make or break. Why? Actually, he really had some rotten luck in 2011 where his performances in the race were often good and qualifying mediocre. Rosberg outqualified him most of the time but I think Schumacher is still there when the pace isn't that insanely high. Read: rain. His feeling for the conditions are still top notch. You can't break a laprecord without them. A part of the secret seems to be in his ability to predict what's going to happen next and that saved him a lot of times. But I do think that Schumacher has only one real trick up on his sleeve which could turn the tables around a bit (not completely but more): the banning of the EBD. Rosberg might get an advantage from that as well as soon as he is used to it, he will make up for it with speed. But as far as I know, he hasn't ever used the throttle under braking to stabilize the rear end. If Schumacher won't utilize this so-called edge, things won't improve anymore. How much this has be an handicap for him, we will find out this season.

PS: I might have an exclusive for this topic soon :) But at the moment I'm waiting!

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:39

must be illegal traction control....................

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 14:50

Well, truth be told. This year is make or break. Why? Actually, he really had some rotten luck in 2011 where his performances in the race were often good and qualifying mediocre. Rosberg outqualified him most of the time but I think Schumacher is still there when the pace isn't that insanely high. Read: rain. His feeling for the conditions are still top notch. You can't break a laprecord without them. A part of the secret seems to be in his ability to predict what's going to happen next and that saved him a lot of times. But I do think that Schumacher has only one real trick up on his sleeve which could turn the tables around a bit (not completely but more): the banning of the EBD. Rosberg might get an advantage from that as well as soon as he is used to it, he will make up for it with speed. But as far as I know, he hasn't ever used the throttle under braking to stabilize the rear end. If Schumacher won't utilize this so-called edge, things won't improve anymore. How much this has be an handicap for him, we will find out this season.

PS: I might have an exclusive for this topic soon :) But at the moment I'm waiting!

Please don't wait long. I am anxious to read about your thoughts.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 15:02

And just to keep balance I will stick with those super fast times still having no foundation in testing - we have no idea what they are testing, they may be illegal parts or parameters and being tested for clarification.


If Mercedes have tried to stick close enough to the 2011 spec to evaluate the differences in this year's Pirelli design, then surely they'd be running some form of exhaust-blown diffuser still? So the car they're running at Jerez is definitely "illegal". But possibly it's a demonstration that the time lost by the diffuser changes will not be made up by designers this year.

Sorry if I'm repeating anything that's already been said.

Edited by Risil, 08 February 2012 - 15:04.


#16982 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 15:51

15:43 In the meantime, Schumacher is teasing the 1m20s again, and remains the fastest man on the circuit.
15:44 Schumacher in overtaking mode again - diving down the inside of di Resta into the final corner.
15:46 Schumacher is now seven laps into this run. It contained a couple of anomalous 1m27s and 1m28s lap, briefly got into mid 1m19s, and has mostly been 1m20s.


#16983 BRK

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 16:05

Looks like Michael really enjoyed himself out there today. Nice overtakes and a solid amount of mileage with the new tyres, couldn't have gone any better from the looks of it. :up:

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 16:13

Full MS stint on page 424. Good day.
http://www.motorspor.../...6256&sort=1
Strange bulge down. Maybe it is changed exhaust.

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 16:22.


#16985 Jejking

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 17:14

I'm wondering, 2012-spec should be slightly slower than their 2011-predecessors. But how much? How much time does the EBD deliver or better: how much time do teams lose with the new regulations? I have a feeling Webber wasn't driving with a completely empty tank today.

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:03

I wonder how he will feel without the EBD, hopefully more like his natural style again. Can't help but think what Michael could do in a Lotus/Renault, Kimi is adapting well there and they have always handled well and had decent traction.

The W03 has to at least match Michael's driving style and be an improvement in handling in my eyes.

#16987 ivand911

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:19

Highly recommended article:
http://peterwindsor....-jerez-testing/
"Michael Schumacher was supremely good into Turn One, staying way over on the right of the straight, accelerating through to seventh gear with the car unloaded, before angling back to the left at the last possible moment. Granted, Michael on this day still had the benefit of a blown diffuser. Relative to the Michael of 2010/11, however, this was an altogether different driver. He braked to a point on the left of the road, still with the car at perhaps 15 deg from “straight and parallel”, then nudged the Mercedes into the right-hander, downshifting against increasing steering load. This plainly asked a lot of the car – but the grip was there and Michael used it almost to perfection in a long run in the middle of the day. Only at 4:45, and then again at 5:50, when the shadows were long and the Pirellis were getting a little tired, did I see Michael revert to a little of what we saw a little of in the last two years. Catching diResta, he braked a metre or two late into Nine, ran wide…but still minimised the damage with some nice manipulations. In short, Michael was Michael this day in Jerez. I think he likes the new Pirellis."

Edited by ivand911, 08 February 2012 - 20:31.


#16988 nateshan

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:24

In short, Michael was Michael this day in Jerez. I think he likes the new Pirellis.


I love that!. Hope it all comes together this year!.

#16989 Sof1

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:53

Highly recommended article:
http://peterwindsor....-jerez-testing/
"Michael Schumacher was supremely good into Turn One, staying way over on the right of the straight, accelerating through to seventh gear with the car unloaded, before angling back to the left at the last possible moment. Granted, Michael on this day still had the benefit of a blown diffuser. Relative to the Michael of 2010/11, however, this was an altogether different driver. He braked to a point on the left of the road, still with the car at perhaps 15 deg from “straight and parallel”, then nudged the Mercedes into the right-hander, downshifting against increasing steering load. This plainly asked a lot of the car – but the grip was there and Michael used it almost to perfection in a long run in the middle of the day. Only at 4:45, and then again at 5:50, when the shadows were long and the Pirellis were getting a little tired, did I see Michael revert to a little of what we saw a little of in the last two years. Catching diResta, he braked a metre or two late into Nine, ran wide…but still minimised the damage with some nice manipulations. In short, Michael was Michael this day in Jerez. I think he likes the new Pirellis."


Fantastic!

#16990 carbonfibre

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 20:56

Let's hope so. If that truly is the case and the new Mercedes is a good car then we are in for a much better season again. :)

#16991 schubacca

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:37

Good to see MS back in the car.

I understand that testing means very little. But here is the problem that I have with BBC and Andrew Benson. Yesterday when KR tops the time sheets to impress the sponsors it was the lead F1 Headline. Today, when MS tops the time sheets..... MS is not in the headline, but rather MW is impressing with his times.....

Once again, I understand that all of this means little.

But Benson's bias against MS is sickening.

#16992 Szoelloe

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 22:42

Good to see MS back in the car.

I understand that testing means very little. But here is the problem that I have with BBC and Andrew Benson. Yesterday when KR tops the time sheets to impress the sponsors it was the lead F1 Headline. Today, when MS tops the time sheets..... MS is not in the headline, but rather MW is impressing with his times.....

Once again, I understand that all of this means little.

But Benson's bias against MS is sickening.


Aw, c'mon, He may be biased, but in this case it is perfectly normal to dismiss MS's time/times, he was setting them with basically an illegal car, with obviously more DF than the new ones. Plus, he is British, writing for British medium.


#16993 Fondmetal

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:05

Well, truth be told. This year is make or break. Why? Actually, he really had some rotten luck in 2011 where his performances in the race were often good and qualifying mediocre. Rosberg outqualified him most of the time but I think Schumacher is still there when the pace isn't that insanely high. Read: rain. His feeling for the conditions are still top notch. You can't break a laprecord without them. A part of the secret seems to be in his ability to predict what's going to happen next and that saved him a lot of times. But I do think that Schumacher has only one real trick up on his sleeve which could turn the tables around a bit (not completely but more): the banning of the EBD. Rosberg might get an advantage from that as well as soon as he is used to it, he will make up for it with speed. But as far as I know, he hasn't ever used the throttle under braking to stabilize the rear end. If Schumacher won't utilize this so-called edge, things won't improve anymore. How much this has be an handicap for him, we will find out this season.

PS: I might have an exclusive for this topic soon :) But at the moment I'm waiting!


Using exhaust gasses to maximise rear downforce is nothing new. This was used a lot during the late 80's early 90's when exhausts were positioned in the diffusers and the cars were running flat bottoms. I remember seeing Schumacher going flat into maggots becketts sequence still hard on the throttle whilst using left foot braking. IIRC that was back in 1993, on board throttle/brake showed the technique he was using.

#16994 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 08 February 2012 - 23:20

with last years off throttle blown diffusers he couldn't do that anymore. he had to completely lift off the gas and let the computer do the work
I remember him being told a few times over radio to stop trail braking just because of that

#16995 baddog

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 00:15

And that is why so many of us hate the current blowing systems.. the car is doing way way too much work for my tastes there.

#16996 Kubiccia

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 00:43

Peter Windsor tweeted:

https://twitter.com/#!/PeterDWindsor/st...233768162205699

IrvineF1 Jordan Irvine: I don't even know how, but Michael Schumacher just DESTROYED the time sheets!!! P1 with a 1:18.622 in the #W02 #F1 #SpyAmigo @MercedesAMGF1

IrvineF1 Jordan Irvine: @Spudells @MercedesAMGF1 I agree - I think everyone is a little impressed if I'm honest..!

Old, but still. :)

Oh man, I'll make an effort here to not get carried away with this or with Windsor's longer comments. I don't wanna expect too much to get disapointed in Australia.

Of course it's speculation, what's not speculation is that if MS is indeed quicker this season, you & a few other sadly uninformed posters will attempt to claim something influenced it. Such as team orders, or MERC favouring MS in the overall design philosophy, or Pirelli, or NR was always shit & will always be shit...zzzzzzzzzz.

We get it that you dislike MS, we get it that you think he's over-rated, we get it that you only come on this thread to throw your very own brand of cooked up theories & facts. We do get it. But sadly, you don't get it that MS isn't the devil, he may not be the greatest, but he is still a good driver, just not as excellent as he once was, and what's the shame in that? He's 43 ffs. Hell, I wasn't as good at my sport at 30 as I was at 20, Jeez, I did something sporty at 11 years old that would take me at least a year of hard training to come close to now.....

Sad to see that you get enjoyment out of your interaction here & on other threads where you maintain similar attitudes.

perfect :up:

#16997 genespleen

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 01:24

We get it that you dislike MS, we get it that you think he's over-rated, we get it that you only come on this thread to throw your very own brand of cooked up theories & facts. We do get it. But sadly, you don't get it that MS isn't the devil, he may not be the greatest, but he is still a good driver, just not as excellent as he once was, and what's the shame in that? He's 43 ffs. Hell, I wasn't as good at my sport at 30 as I was at 20, Jeez, I did something sporty at 11 years old that would take me at least a year of hard training to come close to now.....

Sad to see that you get enjoyment out of your interaction here & on other threads where you maintain similar attitudes.


Well done; this is a model example of how to treat trolls. Reason with them as if they were adults, and if they respond with level-headed discussion, they get to untroll themselves. If they continue to behave as children, they shame themselves into utter irrelevance. We could all use a lesson like this.
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#16998 SeanValen

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 02:45

In 2010 and 2011-I didn't hear much positive comments regarding tyres. I remember the 2011 tyres perhaps being a bit better, but nothing really positive. The choice of Schumacher's words "We made some very good work with the new tyres, which are certainly much better for a driver – they are more consistent and a lot closer to what you would expect from a Formula 1 tyre."

Something like a new tyre, and the off throttle banning could just be the extra shift for his driving, no doubt in 2011 his race pace was there in alot of races, but still you know with the car/tyres/rules, he was still trying to do a comprimise on race set up, Schumacher wants to drive these cars in a certain way, and when he returned,f1 cars just wasn't to his liking, yet he stuck with it, but still you could tell he doesn't quite like tyres/rules these past 2 years, so a comment on the new tyres is not much to go on, and mercedes still have to build a fast car, but for Michael's own satisfaction and us viewers, I would like to see him able to use his skills and not be comprised by the tyres/rules/electronics-off throttle, it could be a combination of many things, but whatever, I want to see a season with all the champions be really good and if MS is in good shape driving, it will only make a potential classic season ever better, to be competitive and fast at his age is already impressive, but because he is Schumacher, he expects more and so do we, so that his is challenge, and like some have said, he's probabley the only one who could pull it off. It'll be a fasinating season, but looking back at Canada 2011, when MS was in 2nd place for a time, it completely hyped up the forum to see lets face it the great living legend of our f1 times a main player for the high prize again, and with the current crop of drivers, ion paper there's alot of interesting possibilities, but that's what you get from a name like him, expectations huge always, last 2 years may have delayed the buzz, but if he does do well, it will only recreate the buzz especially at his age.

Anyway, whatever happens, glad he tried, it's not easy walking away from something you enjoy, and not everyone gets a 2nd chance to do it again, life is short, and he's still fitter then probabley most people in this forum half his age, impressive.



Edited by SeanValen, 09 February 2012 - 02:57.


#16999 Sof1

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 10:09

tedkravitz Ted Kravitz
More info from the pitlane: Mercedes ran their nose/front wing F-Duct yesterday and this morning, visible by hole with splitter in nosecone
2 minutes ago
Retweeted by ScarbsF1


It seems the Front wing F-duct is real! Mercedes sure seems to be going the innovative route. Other teams to follow this new type of F-duct?
It seems to have helped MS with his times yesterday.

Edited by Sof1, 09 February 2012 - 13:08.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 11:15

I think this might not necessarily be the last season we see the old man racing. Look what he says:

Asked whether he still believed he could win a record eighth drivers' crown, Schumacher said: "Absolutely. I'm still around to fight for the championship. Whether we can or cannot do that is something to be proven this year - or whenever."

The bold part. Whenever.