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#17001 Buttoneer

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 14:56

There is a thread for testing in which people will discuss, amongst other things, testing procedures and regulations, who is driving what and how fast they are going as well as why they went that fast. There IS a driver v driver thread for Schumacher & Rosberg if you think that testing times have some meaning in comparing the two.

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#17002 spacekid

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 15:10

Michael has always been the same guy as a character but it was interpreted in a distorted way during his domination..


His media image has softened, but yeah Michael has always been Michael. I remember a Murray Walker clip from years ago where he said what a really nice guy Michael is.



Martin Brundle has also said he's a really nice bloke to sit down and have a chat with, and Michael loves to talk. I think the British media definately tried to paint a certain picture of him as arrogant that wasn't fair.

Regards testing, it is only testing, and testing in illegal car at that, but consistent lap times on these tyres bodes very well for some good races. I would say I'm looking forward to the next test, but of course its Q3 of the first GP where it really all comes together. Not that long to wait now...

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 17:09

For the most part, Murray Walker and Martin Brundle ARE the British F1 media for all but hard core followers of the sport so if they say he's a nice bloke to chat with, nobody will doubt that. After that, you'll find a mix of views from journalists about him and very few will have unpleasant things to say about Michael the man so I genuinely have no idea where that 'certain picture' comes from. I do know where the fans get it, and it's because they see him turn Brundle away on grid walks, and an otherwise private man who shunned the spotlight as much as his fame would let him. Brundle understands this situation is contractually driven and has said so on many occasions, but of course many will see that as arrogance.

Second point is that none of the numbers you've seen from Michael bode anything. They just tell us that on a track at any given time he can be consistent with those tyres in last years car. I'd even say that Q3 isn't quite such a big deal either because DRS will allow a car in fast race trim get past someone who qualifies well BUT does add risk, as we saw last year.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 17:16

For the most part, Murray Walker and Martin Brundle ARE the British F1 media for all but hard core followers of the sport so if they say he's a nice bloke to chat with, nobody will doubt that. After that, you'll find a mix of views from journalists about him and very few will have unpleasant things to say about Michael the man so I genuinely have no idea where that 'certain picture' comes from. I do know where the fans get it, and it's because they see him turn Brundle away on grid walks, and an otherwise private man who shunned the spotlight as much as his fame would let him. Brundle understands this situation is contractually driven and has said so on many occasions, but of course many will see that as arrogance.

Second point is that none of the numbers you've seen from Michael bode anything. They just tell us that on a track at any given time he can be consistent with those tyres in last years car. I'd even say that Q3 isn't quite such a big deal either because DRS will allow a car in fast race trim get past someone who qualifies well BUT does add risk, as we saw last year.

Thank you. Some people(me) are pointing this whole last year.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:10

I have seen many posters saying that, with EBD going , Schumacher would benefit because of his old driving style and etc.

IIRC, only Red Bull had EBD in 2010 and the difference between Nico and Schumi was much greater in 2010 than in 2011, which would indicate that it was not related to EBD whatsoever.

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Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:20

I have seen many posters saying that, with EBD going , Schumacher would benefit because of his old driving style and etc.

IIRC, only Red Bull had EBD in 2010 and the difference between Nico and Schumi was much greater in 2010 than in 2011, which would indicate that it was not related to EBD whatsoever.


People are just hoping...and when your favourite driver is behind then change is usually a good thing.

I admire MSC for what he achieved in his career, but for me this career ended in 2006.

E.g. Imagine Lauda still racing in the early 90s and people yet expecting the same things he achieved in the 70s.

Edited by LiJu914, 09 February 2012 - 20:20.


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Posted 09 February 2012 - 20:45

I have seen many posters saying that, with EBD going , Schumacher would benefit because of his old driving style and etc.

IIRC, only Red Bull had EBD in 2010 and the difference between Nico and Schumi was much greater in 2010 than in 2011, which would indicate that it was not related to EBD whatsoever.

I guess we will see in 2012. For 2010, understeery car, first year, weak front tyres. And it was not so EBD related as it was off throttle blowing(OTB) related. So MS couldn't play any more with gas pedal in corners(balancing the car). This was against engine program. Theory is that now without OTB he can use his own old driving style. And we will see this year if theory is right.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 07:11

I have seen many posters saying that, with EBD going , Schumacher would benefit because of his old driving style and etc.


Never me, it is the dropping of EBD that I expect to be one of the areas for MS to gain this year allowing more genuine driving skills and setups to the fore - not to say other driver's don't have those skills too of course but I expect some big surprises throughout the field from this singular major change, some will go forward and some will go backwards due to bravado over skill (relative) and tyre management over a race distance.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 08:21

Mercedes boss wants Schumacher beyond 2012
http://www.yallaf1.c...er-beyond-2012/
Deja view moment.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:17

Last year of the contract, in 2011 Brawn & Co already stated they wanted him badly for 'apres 2012'. I can imagine that, IF he keeps his speed up and IF Mercedes builds a regular podium challenger. On commitment alone I think Schumacher is still mixing it up with the best. On fightability ditto. Qualifying must improve and then he'll take it from there.

Well, I won't take any chance and will visit either the Germany or the Belgium GP on Sunday!

And agreed with cheapracer, it's getting awkward in here with people only trying to stir up the pot. There's a line to be drawn and I'll hope that happens very soon.

Edited by Jejking, 10 February 2012 - 09:18.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 09:49

I'm also seeing a GP this year, had to be this year for the same reason - it wouldn't be the same without him going round. However i know what will happen, and so i will predict a first corner shunt at Silverstone.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:24

I'm also seeing a GP this year, had to be this year for the same reason - it wouldn't be the same without him going round.


Benz (and Bernie) would have him if he was the slowest guy out there, the publicity he has bought to Benz over the last 2 years is amazing.

However i know what will happen, and so i will predict a first corner shunt at Silverstone.


Just as long as he doesn't pass the Pole sitter on the warm up lap ..... :lol:


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 11:58

More good news for MS as I see it, Senna has just run off 25 laps in day 4 of testing without much time variance as have some other drivers the last few days which points towards the tyres lasting better this year(?), one of MS's advantages as a driver was his ability to pound out fast laps one after the other for long stints something I believe he suffered for with the 2011 tyres.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:10

More good news for MS as I see it, Senna has just run off 25 laps in day 4 of testing without much time variance as have some other drivers the last few days which points towards the tyres lasting better this year(?), one of MS's advantages as a driver was his ability to pound out fast laps one after the other for long stints something I believe he suffered for with the 2011 tyres.

Yes and no.

My opinion: his strength was always to be consistent(ly fast) and going really fast at the end of a stint. Inlaps and outlaps have always been blazing. That was in the age of maximum attack, no worries about the tyres. But his maximum speed actually decreased a bit over the years. Racing at reduced speed to live with those tyres, would mean that he would have had a less hard time to keep up. As we've seen in many races this year his pace according to race buildup is equal to or slightly above Rosberg. Bahrein 2010 ended in 3s lead for Rosberg over a race in identical conditions, Korea 2011 meant a couple of seconds of win for Schumacher.

I think Schumacher just got smarter on the tyres and learned to live with tyre management. With a bias more towards speed than endurance but his decreased speed, his loss would be as great as his gains. Inlaps and outlaps are still very good. Thus in the end of the day: netto 0. What do you think about my theory?

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:30

More good news for MS as I see it, Senna has just run off 25 laps in day 4 of testing without much time variance as have some other drivers the last few days which points towards the tyres lasting better this year(?), one of MS's advantages as a driver was his ability to pound out fast laps one after the other for long stints something I believe he suffered for with the 2011 tyres.


The new Pirellis seem to point that way, yes. They seem to last longer, and drop off is not as dramatic as last year, bar, I would assume the SS tyres, which I read will be carried on to 2012.(I don't understand this though, hasn't the construction itself been modified this year too? maybe they meant only the compound?) Saying that, IMHO, pounding out the consistent 'qualy laps' is not necessarily a question of the tyres, it requires a clear track in front to do it, implementing a meaningful strategy, and he seldom had that since his comeback. If the car has reasonable potential, we just may see more of it, I hope.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:35

For the most part, Murray Walker and Martin Brundle ARE the British F1 media for all but hard core followers of the sport so if they say he's a nice bloke to chat with, nobody will doubt that. After that, you'll find a mix of views from journalists about him and very few will have unpleasant things to say about Michael the man so I genuinely have no idea where that 'certain picture' comes from. I do know where the fans get it, and it's because they see him turn Brundle away on grid walks, and an otherwise private man who shunned the spotlight as much as his fame would let him. Brundle understands this situation is contractually driven and has said so on many occasions, but of course many will see that as arrogance.

Second point is that none of the numbers you've seen from Michael bode anything. They just tell us that on a track at any given time he can be consistent with those tyres in last years car. I'd even say that Q3 isn't quite such a big deal either because DRS will allow a car in fast race trim get past someone who qualifies well BUT does add risk, as we saw last year.


I actually see the media thing as working the other way round in the UK - most of the people I know that I talk to about F1 aren't really fans of the sport, but they have an awareness of it and will sometimes watch some if it is on - much the same as my approach to football. They certainly wouldn't take the time to watch Murray Walker talking about his favourite drivers/

It seems to me that much of what they know comes from the written press - generally tabloids. I'm sure you're aware of the way papers like The Sun, The Mirror, The Mail etc have represented Michael over the years - I have no problem with them being critical of him when he has behaved badly, but then that has spilt over into a generally negative view of him as a person and that stuck. This was especially the case in the '90s. I generally attribute that to the fact he is German, and beat the Brit. The UK tabloid press know their market and wrote about him accordingly. And before anyone mentions it, I know at times he did himself no favours, but at times the personal criticism I saw levelled at him by the sports writers of those papers was pretty cheap.

An example of something I saw in The Mirror a few years back - this isn't verbatim, but you get the gist...

SCHU IDIOT!!!!

Ralf Schumacher has BLASTED his brother Michael for trying to KILL HIM after the older Schumacher overtook him on the last lap of the Monaco Grand Prix...

Readers comments - Cheating German ****, Scummy Schumi, Cheating B*stard at it again... etc...

Yeah he's been a bit cheaty once or twice in his career, but he's actually quite a nice chap. The tabloid press where most people form their view of sports don't separate the two.

Regards testing - you are right. I was looking for some optimism from Peter Windsors quotes amongst my general view that next year will be much the same as the past 2 years but yes, you are quite right, it signifies nothing at all.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 12:38

Michael is driving like Michael again.

Let's hope for the best this year.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 15:42

Michael is driving like Michael again.

Let's hope for the best this year.


Nothing could be more fantastic than that, im also set to watch singapore gp this year. My first time watching schumi and f1 live in person. I just hope W03 is competetive.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:07

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 19:12

http://smibs.tv/live
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thank you, I nearly missed that.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 20:16

Good words from Peter Windsor. He expect a lot from MS this year.

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Posted 10 February 2012 - 20:47

Michael is driving like Michael again.

Let's hope for the best this year.


ever since his comeback folks have been searching for "the real Schumacher".

to use the analogy of de Montezemolo: its not Michael in the car, it's Ralf!

Edited by glorius&victorius, 10 February 2012 - 20:47.


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Posted 10 February 2012 - 21:08

ever since his comeback folks have been searching for "the real Schumacher".

to use the analogy of de Montezemolo: its not Michael in the car, it's Ralf!

Then Montezemolo have to check his eyesight.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 00:32

I guess we will see in 2012. For 2010, understeery car, first year, weak front tyres. And it was not so EBD related as it was off throttle blowing(OTB) related. So MS couldn't play any more with gas pedal in corners(balancing the car). This was against engine program. Theory is that now without OTB he can use his own old driving style. And we will see this year if theory is right.

IIRC, OTB was not available at Mercedes in 2010.
1996's Ferrari was a horribly understeery car and Schumi coped great with it

The new Pirellis seem to point that way, yes. They seem to last longer, and drop off is not as dramatic as last year, bar, I would assume the SS tyres, which I read will be carried on to 2012.(I don't understand this though, hasn't the construction itself been modified this year too? maybe they meant only the compound?) Saying that, IMHO, pounding out the consistent 'qualy laps' is not necessarily a question of the tyres, it requires a clear track in front to do it, implementing a meaningful strategy, and he seldom had that since his comeback. If the car has reasonable potential, we just may see more of it, I hope.

Here's the full explanation for it:
http://www.f1zone.ne...f1-tyres/11693/

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 05:13

IIRC, OTB was not available at Mercedes in 2010.
1996's Ferrari was a horribly understeery car and Schumi coped great with it


Here's the full explanation for it:
http://www.f1zone.ne...f1-tyres/11693/



That was vintage Schu. The 1996 Schumacher would do fine today.

#17026 ivand911

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 07:47

IIRC, OTB was not available at Mercedes in 2010.
1996's Ferrari was a horribly understeery car and Schumi coped great with it
Here's the full explanation for it:
http://www.f1zone.ne...f1-tyres/11693/

This was second best car that year? W01 was 4-5 best car. This is the difference.
I hope W03 will be good car, and MS to be in the mix. I don't want other guys to fight for top5 places and MGP guys to watch outside. Lotus and FI appear to have good cars. I hope 2012 is our year. MS in top5 in WDC will be great.

Edited by ivand911, 11 February 2012 - 08:28.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:29

This was second best car that year? W01 was 4-5 best car. This is the difference.

maybe 3rd/4th in the begining of 96. The main thing is that Schumi was much faster than his team mate with that understeery car, so the problem is not that but a 27 years old Schumi versus a 41 yeard old one in 2010.

Giving that the compound of the tires will remain the same(in case of supersoft, at least), I don't know how can these new tires be that much better. Schumi said it's more consistent and that I can understand because the construction of the tire is better now by Pirelli but that will only make a change in long race stints and not in single banzai qualifying laps.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 08:40

maybe 3rd/4th in the begining of 96. The main thing is that Schumi was much faster than his team mate with that understeery car, so the problem is not that but a 27 years old Schumi versus a 41 yeard old one in 2010.

Giving that the compound of the tires will remain the same(in case of supersoft, at least), I don't know how can these new tires be that much better. Schumi said it's more consistent and that I can understand because the construction of the tire is better now by Pirelli but that will only make a change in long race stints and not in single banzai qualifying laps.

They changed I think rear tyre construction. Bigger contact surface. So this will be bigger in the race and in the Q. If it helps,it will help all the time. Tyres are softer generally. Maybe only SS will stay the same. This year hard is like last year medium I think ,and compound differences is not so big. Time wise.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:18

Saw this tweet, Michael is Skydiving in Dubai today.

A good day to be @ SkyDive Dubai. Michael Schumacher jumping out of a plane today http://twitpic.com/8iclj2

https://twitter.com/#!/farahdaoud/statu...236747774361600


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#17030 ivand911

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:28

Saw this tweet, Michael is Skydiving in Dubai today.

I think he has home there? I guess it is better than Geneva right now.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 09:56

I think he has home there? I guess it is better than Geneva right now.


Don't know about home but in 2006 Dubai's Prince Sheikh gifted him an island and yeah according to Google weather it's -6°C in Switzerland & 29°C in Dubai! :)

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:10

Don't know about home but in 2006 Dubai's Prince Sheikh gifted him an island and yeah according to Google weather it's -6°C in Switzerland & 29°C in Dubai! :)

I think it was only rumour in the end. It is about this islands:
http://www.dailymail...ling-apart.html
http://www.privateis...sland-in-duabi/
But, he can afford hotel I guess. Or he has something in the city because he stay there a lot I think. Skydiving.



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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:34

ever since his comeback folks have been searching for "the real Schumacher".

to use the analogy of de Montezemolo: its not Michael in the car, it's Ralf!


All this staff are bullshit. His the same guy. And no his age doesn't make him much slower ether. It doesn't matter how old you are in F1. All that matters is if you are able to keep your condition while racing so your performance won't drop because of exhaustion. It doesn't seem like his half-dead when he gets out of the car to me. He seems quite fine actually.
It's simply that people had this crazy ideas(especially his fans) that Schumacher could win championships even with a Minardi simply because he has 7 titles.
He ain't a miracle man and Rosberg could very well fight him even if he was 10 years younger, lets not forget the guy never really drove against a good teammate or a team mate that even got the same attention.
His biggest power wasn't his amazing speed(am not saying the guy is slow, his a good driver but no he never was particularly faster than other good drivers) but the ability to make a whole team focus around him. Combine that with the luck of having the best cars and rules that fitted him perfectly and he was doing wonderfully.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 11:57

All this staff are bullshit. His the same guy. And no his age doesn't make him much slower ether. It doesn't matter how old you are in F1. All that matters is if you are able to keep your condition while racing so your performance won't drop because of exhaustion. It doesn't seem like his half-dead when he gets out of the car to me. He seems quite fine actually.
It's simply that people had this crazy ideas(especially his fans) that Schumacher could win championships even with a Minardi simply because he has 7 titles.
He ain't a miracle man and Rosberg could very well fight him even if he was 10 years younger, lets not forget the guy never really drove against a good teammate or a team mate that even got the same attention.
His biggest power wasn't his amazing speed(am not saying the guy is slow, his a good driver but no he never was particularly faster than other good drivers) but the ability to make a whole team focus around him. Combine that with the luck of having the best cars and rules that fitted him perfectly and he was doing wonderfully.


Sorry, but this is bullshit

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:13

It doesn't matter how old you are in F1.


Of course it does. In every sport it does.
And it´s not just fitness in F1 that´s linked with the "problem" of age. Racing requires a wide area of cognitive demands.
In simple terms: Many of these are way more related to your brain than to your body, and some of these brain functions just slightly degrade with age.
In another 25 years MSC might not be able to park his road car safely and that would´ve nothing to do with fitness.  ;)


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:39

Of course it does. In every sport it does.
And it´s not just fitness in F1 that´s linked with the "problem" of age. Racing requires a wide area of cognitive demands.
In simple terms: Many of these are way more related to your brain than to your body, and some of these brain functions just slightly degrade with age.
In another 25 years MSC might not be able to park his road car safely and that would´ve nothing to do with fitness. ;)


Look at the age Schumacher is any degradation from the brain is completely irrelevant. Brain functions hardly lose much until you get really really old. In most sports the reason age matters is because of the body. Do you really think all the sportsmen that retire couldn't keep up if you gave them the body of a 20 year old but left the brain the same? In F1 is the same, it's the body that affects you first and it mostly has to do with your stamina and how strong you feel after driving for many laps. Schumacher seems to still be good so it doesn't really affect him that much.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 12:43

Look at the age Schumacher is any degradation from the brain is completely irrelevant. Brain functions hardly lose much until you get really really old. In most sports the reason age matters is because of the body. Do you really think all the sportsmen that retire couldn't keep up if you gave them the body of a 20 year old but left the brain the same? In F1 is the same, it's the body that affects you first and it mostly has to do with your stamina and how strong you feel after driving for many laps. Schumacher seems to still be good so it doesn't really affect him that much.


1. No it isn´t. Just one example: Your reaction times already slow down in your 30s compared to your 20s.
2. Let´s take chess for example: In the history of this "sport", there are only very few great players (about two or three...), which were still close to their "peak" once they were in their 40s....And that´s a discipline, in which you just sit on a chair and think.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 13:03

Fangio won his 5th WDC at the age of 46.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 13:09

Fangio won his 5th WDC at the age of 46.


Yeah and Emil Zatopek won the 5000m, 10000m, and the Marathon (which he never ran in his whole life before) at the olympics in 1952.

I guess that means somebody could also do that today, right? :rolleyes:


Comparing these "pioneering days" with todays world of professional sports leads to nothing.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 13:13

Saw this tweet, Michael is Skydiving in Dubai today.

Cool the perks of a 7 * WDC with a private plane, test in Jerez with your team and be home in Switzerland in time for dinner, while jetting off the next day to go Skydiving in Dubai. :cool:

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:22

Yeah and Emil Zatopek won the 5000m, 10000m, and the Marathon (which he never ran in his whole life before) at the olympics in 1952.

I guess that means somebody could also do that today, right? :rolleyes:


Comparing these "pioneering days" with todays world of professional sports leads to nothing.


I'm not comparing a thing, Fangio at age 46 was competing against drivers half his age and still was able to put in stellar performances, witness the 1957 German GP.
I'm saying that it is well within the realm of possbility for Schumacher, given the tools, to do the same. Clear enough?

#17042 Richardc

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:26

F1 was slightly different then, i think you may be the only person i have to 'ignore'.

#17043 ivand911

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:31

I am not sure Fangio compete against many 23 year old drivers when he was 46? I also think that,if MS was driving RBR he can put a stellar performance. I don't think that in Canada he was the reason why he lost two places in the end. Last year MS actually put a stellar performance. To match NR is not easy thing I think.

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:34

I'm not comparing a thing, Fangio at age 46 was competing against drivers half his age and still was able to put in stellar performances, witness the 1957 German GP.
I'm saying that it is well within the realm of possbility for Schumacher, given the tools, to do the same. Clear enough?


Yes you´re comparing the GP-Circus of the 50s with todays F1. Otherwise you couldn´t deduct from Fangio´s success to MS potential future success nowadays.

However even if i would agree with a direct comparison, it would still say nothing about Fangio´s (potential) abilities in his 20s or 30s and about the question whether MS was better ~15years ago than at the moment.
"Success" is a result of competing against other individuals...not your (former) self.

Edited by LiJu914, 11 February 2012 - 16:06.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:47

I am not sure Fangio compete against many 23 year old drivers when he was 46?



Not exactly half his age, but nonetheless:
In 1957
Moss 28
Collins 26
Hawthorn 28
Musso 32
Castellotti 27
Von Trips 29
Jack Brabham 31
Tony Brooks 25
Jo Bonnier 27
Stuart Lewis-Evans 27

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:51

F1 was slightly different then, i think you may be the only person i have to 'ignore'.


Yes I know F1 was 'slightly different' then. I am curious though, why would you put me on your ignore list if all I am saying is that if Fangio could do it at 46, then I think that at age 43 Schumacher is more than capable of doing it. Do you think that the cars of the 50s were so easy to drive that anyone could win races and championships?

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:56

Yes you´re comparing the GP-Circus of the 50s with todays of F1. Otherwise you couldn´t deduct from Fangios success to MS potential future success nowadays.

However even if i would would agree with a direct comparison, it would still say nothing about Fangio´s (potential) abilities in his 20s or 30s and about the question whether MS was better ~15years ago than at the moment.
"Success" is a result of competing against other individuals...not your (former) self.


That make no sense whatsoever unless you are saying that Schumacher at age 43 no longer has the capabilities to be successfull in F1. Is that it? I am of the opinion that if Fangio a 5 x WDC could do it, then I think that Schumacher, given the tools, is more than capable of the same. I make no reference anywhere to how either man drove when they were younger.
I think many of you think that driving an F1 car in the 50s was more akin to a leisurely Sunday drive in the countryside.....

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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:56

Do you think that the cars of the 50s were so easy to drive that anyone could win races and championships?


What does that have to do with the drivers and their respective age and abilities?

The olympic long-run distances (5k, 10k, Marathon) stayed exactly the same and are always exhausting, yet i don´t expect nobody to achieve the "Hattrick" like Zatopek did...

Edited by LiJu914, 11 February 2012 - 15:59.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 15:59

That make no sense whatsoever unless you are saying that Schumacher at age 43 no longer has the capabilities to be successfull in F1. Is that it? I am of the opinion that if Fangio a 5 x WDC could do it, then I think that Schumacher, given the tools, is more than capable of the same. I make no reference anywhere to how either man drove when they were younger.
I think many of you think that driving an F1 car in the 50s was more akin to a leisurely Sunday drive in the countryside.....


Of course my words made sense.
I can say "MS was better 15 years ago" and still say that he can be successful nowadays given the right "tools" (=car).
It can happen. Prost didn´t look as good in 93 as he did in the 80s, but he won the championship due to a superb car.

Edited by LiJu914, 11 February 2012 - 16:01.


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Posted 11 February 2012 - 16:00

What jj is saying is right, given the best car, like Fangio, why is there no chance of Schumacher winning an 8th WDC?

He's better than Rosberg and the car advantage would negate the performance deficit to Alonso, Vettel & Button.