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#17151 spacekid

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 16:23

I'm all up for a funny piece of satire - Schumi's sekret diary used to be funny - but whats going on with those articles on F1 banter? Are those professional journalists? Seriously unfunny stuff.

OT I'm inclined to agree with Kubbiccia - podiums will be very tough for the Merc drivers this year. Looking forward to tomorrows test though! Don't know why, I know it doesn't mean anything.

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#17152 Sakae

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 18:17

I don't think there is a chance for another Brawn GP surprise here. They hand all Honda money back then and no rule restricting development. So they could run like 2-3 windtunnels 24-7-365(24 hours a day, 7 days a week, all year), more people on the engineering department and etc. Plus, Brawn GP had a cheating device, the infamous DDD.

I don't think we'll have such big things as DDD, EBD this year, from any team.

Considering that legality of DDD was challenged and case was lost, then I think the language of "cheating" is not entirely correct one, isn't so?

Edited by Sakae, 20 February 2012 - 18:18.


#17153 LiJu914

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Posted 20 February 2012 - 18:26

Considering that legality of DDD was challenged and case was lost, then I think the language of "cheating" is not entirely correct one, isn't so?


Such vocabulary is just tied to a schumacher-thread.  ;)

#17154 cheapracer

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 07:07



I don't think there is a chance for another Brawn GP surprise here.


Wasn't my meaning but you still have no idea of the car's performance good or bad to make such statements.



Plus, Brawn GP had a cheating device,


MS wasn't driving for him then so you can just use the term "device".


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Posted 21 February 2012 - 14:20

I'm all up for a funny piece of satire - Schumi's sekret diary used to be funny - but whats going on with those articles on F1 banter? Are those professional journalists? Seriously unfunny stuff.


The fact that many of you find it unfunny makes the whole thing even more hilarious....

#17156 Jejking

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 14:46

It's unfunny in general. Lewis Hamilton, Michael Schumacher, all the others. Not hilarious at all, not a single **** was given. My cousin writes better jokes already at the age of six.

Edited by Jejking, 21 February 2012 - 14:46.


#17157 jj2728

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 14:50

My cousin writes better jokes already at the age of six.




Prove it, let's see one then....

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 15:02

The fact that many of you find it unfunny makes the whole thing even more hilarious....

A few of them were amusing, but the only one that I actually laughed out loud at was the one about Massa's all-nighter on Call of Duty. If you've ever played a Call of Duty game online, you would realise that the second paragraph in that article is probably the most accurate summation of the CoD online experience that has ever been put into words. :rotfl:

But we're getting off-topic here--how does everyone feel about MS's chances in the W03 this year? I know it's largely dependent on the car, but I get a positive vibe from what's been said so far. Hopefully we'll see a podium or two this year, and I daresay a win if either MS or Nico find themselves in the right place at the right time.

#17159 spacekid

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 15:28

The fact that many of you find it unfunny makes the whole thing even more hilarious....


Its got nothing at all to do with the pieces being about Schumi, or critical of Schumi. I've read plenty of very funny pieces in the past that took a dig at Michael.

These are just crap.

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#17160 spacekid

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 15:36

how does everyone feel about MS's chances in the W03 this year? I know it's largely dependent on the car, but I get a positive vibe from what's been said so far. Hopefully we'll see a podium or two this year, and I daresay a win if either MS or Nico find themselves in the right place at the right time.


Well for me the problem is that Red Bull and McLaren were so far ahead of Mercedes last year I'm not sure how Merc can close the gap, unless both RB and ML both have the most enormous fundamental design SNAFUs this year. Given that the technical regs aren't that much different to 2011 I don't really see the space for that to happen.

Given that, I think the best Merc can hope for is to no longer be racing Force India and instead be racing Ferrari. So far Ferrari don't look to have moved forward too much, but I think Force India may have done, so its still going to be a close fight for 3rd/4th. If Mercs car turns out to be a bit rubbish again once we start racing they could even be facing 5th.

As for Michael himself, well it will be interesting to see if a longer wheelbase and rebalanced car will swing the pendulum towards him and away from Nico. I don't really see why it should, I don't think Nico has been especially benefitting from a difficult car. So really I am hoping for better reliability from Merc so we see both drivers safely through to Q3 in each race, Nico to generally qualify 1-2 spots ahead of Michael, and for the 2 of them to be racing each other for positions 4-7 or thereabouts.

So to answer your question the very definition of upper mid field averageness! Possible podiums in safety car or rain affected races, but then those podiums will also be available to the Ferraris and Force Indias, so there'll be a bit of luck needed there too.

#17161 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 15:39

Well for me the problem is that Red Bull and McLaren were so far ahead of Mercedes last year I'm not sure how Merc can close the gap, unless both RB and ML both have the most enormous fundamental design SNAFUs this year. Given that the technical regs aren't that much different to 2011 I don't really see the space for that to happen.

the gap thing goes both ways. if the gap last year was because a major design flaw from Mercedes and they fixed that...shouldn't they be in the game?

#17162 spacekid

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 15:51

the gap thing goes both ways. if the gap last year was because a major design flaw from Mercedes and they fixed that...shouldn't they be in the game?


Yes, except that Red Bull and McLaren can both be expected to have moved forward what was already a very strong package, while Merc have hopefully fixed a flawed one. If they have achieved that, and how much they have been able to move forward from that, waits to be seen.

Honestly I don't know, I'm just giving my opinion. It really won't be until the first few races are done that we'll have a clear picture, but for me moving up to be the 3rd best team would represent a strong effort from Merc. There is every chance they could slide back to 5th.

#17163 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 18:37

I agree with RB and McL moving forward a bit. taking a huge step though it's difficult for them also.
I am not saying suddenly Merc will overtake them....it's just that closing the gap doesn't look that impossible if they managed to cure the mistakes done on W02.

of course everything can just go wrong with w03 :D

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 18:49

I agree with RB and McL moving forward a bit. taking a huge step though it's difficult for them also.
I am not saying suddenly Merc will overtake them....it's just that closing the gap doesn't look that impossible if they managed to cure the mistakes done on W02.

of course everything can just go wrong with w03 :D


I don't. They could not possibly find more DF than what they lost with an EBD and extreme mapping, which was btw the most effective on those two cars. The rest I agree with, don't think the W03 will kick ass big time, but it could be in the mix sometimes.


#17165 Tarzaan

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 21:51

Michael Schumacher pleased with new Mercedes F1 car potential

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97615

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 21:55

Given that, I think the best Merc can hope for is to no longer be racing Force India and instead be racing Ferrari. So far Ferrari don't look to have moved forward too much, but I think Force India may have done, so its still going to be a close fight for 3rd/4th.

Based on..?

#17167 spacekid

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 22:24

Based on..?


Honestly I don't know, I'm just giving my opinion.


But mostly based on my observations of how teams tend to move relative to one another in years when the rules changes are fairly minor - which they are this year compared to say 2005 or 2009. I very much doubt Red Bull or McLaren are going to move backwards relative to any other teams. And also based on the very limited and fairly meaningless testing we've had so far this year - Red Bull and McLaren still look like the 2 best teams, Ferrari may be struggling, and I think Force India could be strong. I think Merc will do very well to be the third best team this year.

But please, don't try to make me pin concrete facts and figures on this because none of us can at this stage - we haven't even seen any sensible testing out of the Merc yet because of the hydarulics problems. We'll know in a few months time for sure where the pace of the cars are. My opinions are just based on past observations and what seems most likely.

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Posted 21 February 2012 - 22:57

But mostly based on my observations of how teams tend to move relative to one another in years when the rules changes are fairly minor - which they are this year compared to say 2005 or 2009. I very much doubt Red Bull or McLaren are going to move backwards relative to any other teams. And also based on the very limited and fairly meaningless testing we've had so far this year - Red Bull and McLaren still look like the 2 best teams, Ferrari may be struggling, and I think Force India could be strong. I think Merc will do very well to be the third best team this year.

But please, don't try to make me pin concrete facts and figures on this because none of us can at this stage - we haven't even seen any sensible testing out of the Merc yet because of the hydraulics problems. We'll know in a few months time for sure where the pace of the cars are. My opinions are just based on past observations and what seems most likely.

My thoughts as well (that they'll be fighting for 3rd/4th at best) but I do think with Ferrari rather than Force India, I'd quite like Nico Hulkenburg to do well, could be the next driver I support after Schumi retires for good if he's exciting.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 00:55

Fighting with the Force Indias? Arn´t you guys having a little too low expectations now?
They have Brawn, Rob Bell, Geoff Willis, Aldo Costa, the best engine and the almighty Schumacher pointing
in which direction the car should develope to?!

#17170 Kubiccia

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 02:44

Indeed. I think Force India will disapoint many people who think they'll be fast.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 04:03

Michael Schumacher pleased with new Mercedes F1 car potential

http://www.autosport...rt.php/id/97615



That man sounds very confident. :up:

#17172 Tarzaan

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 09:49

MICHAEL SCHUMACHER LOOKS AHEAD TO F1 2012 (video)

http://www.crash.net...to_f1_2012.html


NORBERT HAUG ON MERCEDES LATEST F1 CHALLENGE (video)

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#17173 cheapracer

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:31

Indeed. I think Force India will disapoint many people who think they'll be fast.


I'll put a dollar against that, I reckon you'll see Force India mixing it at the front.

As for Michael himself, well it will be interesting to see if a longer wheelbase and rebalanced car will swing the pendulum towards him and away from Nico.


The team can not afford to be selfish in anyway towards either driver at this time. I believe their likes are very similar anyway.

Edited by cheapracer, 22 February 2012 - 11:34.


#17174 Sakae

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:37

I'll put a dollar against that, I reckon you'll see Force India mixing it at the front.



The team can not afford to be selfish in anyway towards either driver at this time. I believe their likes are very similar anyway.


Just wait what will happen on this BB regarding this change, should Michael get better of Nico by November.

#17175 spacekid

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:41

The team can not afford to be selfish in anyway towards either driver at this time. I believe their likes are very similar anyway.


Oh don't get me wrong, I'mn not suggesting for a moment that I think Mercedes would change anything to suit Michael over Nico, and I'm aware that they both prefer a slightly more over-steery car (so I've read). But every combination of car and tyres will tend to suit one driver a little more than the other, I'm just saying it will be interesting to see if this year there is a difference in pace differential between them. If age has given Michael problems adapting his driving style as well as he used to when he was young then a car that plays to his strengths more should bring him closer to Nico in pace, even if Nico likes the car too.

Of course this car could end up suiting Nico even more. Probably they'll be about the same, we'll see.

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:44

Just wait what will happen on this BB regarding this change, should Michael get better of Nico by November.


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#17177 cheapracer

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 11:58

Of course this car could end up suiting Nico even more. Probably they'll be about the same, we'll see.


Firstly Benz are about selling cars, thats why they are there - so if it comes to the crunch and "Schumacher wins!!" can find it's way to every major newspaper's front or back page around the world then that's what they will do before he retires ie; using up every bit of PR value they can for their money.

Like it or not that is simply better PR value than "Rosberg Wins!"

Of course there are those around who can not appreciate the simplest of business practices.

#17178 spacekid

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Posted 22 February 2012 - 12:04

Firstly Benz are about selling cars, thats why they are there - so if it comes to the crunch and "Schumacher wins!!" can find it's way to every major newspaper's front or back page around the world then that's what they will do before he retires ie; using up every bit of PR value they can for their money.

Like it or not that is simply better PR value than "Rosberg Wins!"

Of course there are those around who can not appreciate the simplest of business practices.


I'm not sure that I agree. Mercedes are a race team, I'd be very dissapointed if they actively sought to make a car that favoured one driver so heavily against the other. I also don't think thats a very good strategy for winning.

In fact I've found your post to be strangely at odds with you above comment that Mercedes cannot afford to be selfish and favour either driver - a statement I completely agree with.

I would expect Mercedes to produce the best race car they can. I am simply saying it will be interesting to see if one driver finds it more to his liking than the other, which is a natural possibility with a new design.

Edited by spacekid, 22 February 2012 - 12:06.


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Posted 22 February 2012 - 14:49

I'm not sure that I agree. Mercedes are a race team, I'd be very dissapointed if they actively sought to make a car that favoured one driver so heavily against the other. I also don't think thats a very good strategy for winning.

In fact I've found your post to be strangely at odds with you above comment that Mercedes cannot afford to be selfish and favour either driver - a statement I completely agree with.

I would expect Mercedes to produce the best race car they can. I am simply saying it will be interesting to see if one driver finds it more to his liking than the other, which is a natural possibility with a new design.

I don't think he's saying they would, he's saying they would rather Schumacher win over Rosberg as it would make them more money, they're a business after all, money's what they're here for.

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 15:43

Ironman!

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 17:53

Pretty typical isn't it; Today MS reels off an impressive double GP+ 120 odd laps and laps a second quicker than Rosberg's best yesterday but no response at all ..... :lol:



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Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:39

Pretty typical isn't it; Today MS reels off an impressive double GP+ 120 odd laps and laps a second quicker than Rosberg's best yesterday but no response at all ..... :lol:

To be fair, it is all about conditions, we don't know fuel loads etc etc.

However it's noticeable that (so far) Schumi-fans have understood that and kept the grandstanding to a minimum.

Unlike the trolls who wouldn't waste this opportunity if it had been NR doing the driving today.

Says more about the trolls than they ever could.

#17183 spacekid

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:45

Yeah I'm trying to keep it on the W03 thread at the moment. I've said above that I'm curious about the drivers relative pace in this new car, and I also really want to see some onboard from Schumi to see if he is looking more settled than he did in the W02 but those things will have to wait.

I'm not interested in relative pace between test days, it means diddly.

As I'm here, anybody got any thoughts on the post that was made in the W03 thread about Schumi being offered another 2 years on his contract?

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:47

Well (except in extraordinary situations) testing is, for those outside the team, a chance to look at the cars and get some general idea if things are going okay, but without specifics. The idea that driver form can be assessed from them (as a couple of pillocks did with the jerez test) is a farce.

#17185 Tarzaan

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:56

The Master seems happy:)

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#17186 Szoelloe

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 19:57

Yeah I'm trying to keep it on the W03 thread at the moment. I've said above that I'm curious about the drivers relative pace in this new car, and I also really want to see some onboard from Schumi to see if he is looking more settled than he did in the W02 but those things will have to wait.

I'm not interested in relative pace between test days, it means diddly.

As I'm here, anybody got any thoughts on the post that was made in the W03 thread about Schumi being offered another 2 years on his contract?


+1

They are both intent on putting the new car through the drill, as is a normal, so it is far too early to make comments on driver performance, especially related to each other. I for one would be mighty interested to see any serious footage of the W03 running, let alone an onboard. As to the contract thingy, I would say it's just journo hype. Even if it happened to be true, it is very subjective to his own performance this year, I doubt he would even like to comment on such a thing, but naturally he is always bugged with these questions. :)


#17187 DutchCruijff

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 20:23

Seriously, gotta be the most handsome F1 driver. Someone for the love of Christ pull out the L'Oreal advert... :love: :love: :love:

#17188 Kubiccia

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 20:43

Somebody posted already that Ross Brawn said to Bild that the qualifying difference is likely to remain the same, so in this area is better not to expect much

#17189 Jejking

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 23:44

Curious where Brawn said that. If that's the case, it looks like he is (unwillingly) throwing in the towel for Schumachers chances on the saturdays.

#17190 Sakae

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Posted 23 February 2012 - 23:47

The Master seems happy:)

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Hmmm, I know something, and you donnnnnnnnnnn't  ;)

#17191 MCh000

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:52

In race simulation Michael was obviously slower yesterday than Nico today... :well:

#17192 Pits

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 11:58

This doesn't tell us anything do....
It's only testing, you can't really compare driving abbility.

#17193 Diablobb81

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:02

In race simulation Michael was obviously slower yesterday than Nico today... :well:



Like everyone else.

Edited by Diablobb81, 24 February 2012 - 12:02.


#17194 MCh000

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:03

Yeah I know, but after two years I became kinda paranoic :D

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Posted 24 February 2012 - 12:08

Yeah I know, but after two years I became kinda paranoic :D


Don't worry, Michael will do a great job this year. :cool:

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Posted 27 February 2012 - 16:42

Brawn about extending Schumacher contract:

Ross Brawn denies claims Michael Schumacher is about to be offered a contract extension.

“We’ll see what happens this year then talk about it. I hope it goes well because that means we’ll be having good results and I think we’d both be happy to continue.”


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#17197 Sakae

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 00:02

Brawn about extending Schumacher contract:



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There has to be a car to work with, for Schumacher to sign any offers; he made that clear several months ago. Leverage over this matter is in balance.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 13:23

Curious where Brawn said that. If that's the case, it looks like he is (unwillingly) throwing in the towel for Schumachers chances on the saturdays.



Brawn clearly said; "MS needs to lift his game in qualy" (but that wasn't a secret) and that Nico is actually faster in qualy than Nico realises - based on that Brawn thinks Nico is currently one of the fastest drivers in F1.

The question is how much effect the removal of the EBD will bring it back to older style drivers such as MS, Massa and Button. I hope it works out that way because I would certainly like to see more raw car control come back and testing showed some promise for this.

All conjecture, bring on Melbourne.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 13:57

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Michael stay in F1 for another few years, but whether it will be with Merc or not, is yet to be seen. I get the impression that he's not going to wait around and see if the current Mercedes crew can develop a competitive car. I think unless they deliver this year, or actively bring in the right people to compete, he may open his options up to a potential driver move alongside Vettel at Redbull with the idea to work as a stop gap until the Redbull youngsters are properly seasoned. He also adds great scope for future development and gets on well with Vettel.


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 14:58

It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Michael stay in F1 for another few years, but whether it will be with Merc or not, is yet to be seen. I get the impression that he's not going to wait around and see if the current Mercedes crew can develop a competitive car. I think unless they deliver this year, or actively bring in the right people to compete, he may open his options up to a potential driver move alongside Vettel at Redbull with the idea to work as a stop gap until the Redbull youngsters are properly seasoned. He also adds great scope for future development and gets on well with Vettel.


No, I'm pretty sure this is his last team to race for. I'm also pretty sure he's under no pressure to leave. The dissision will be mostly his and will depend of his chance to be a winner again. (car and driver)
During the wintertime one sentence from an interview is being blown out of proportion and created into an new juicy story.
It's just gossip press looking for attention... ;)