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#17201 cheapracer

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 17:29

I think unless they deliver this year .... he may open his options up to a potential driver move


I happen to agree, unlike a young bloke he has nothing at all to gain staying with a slow car.

If the car's a dog this year and not progressing he will either be out for good or an "absolute surety of wins" team - RBR or back to the Red.


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#17202 SeanValen

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 18:15

I happen to agree, unlike a young bloke he has nothing at all to gain staying with a slow car.

If the car's a dog this year and not progressing he will either be out for good or an "absolute surety of wins" team - RBR or back to the Red.



It wouldn't surprise me at all to see Michael stay in F1 for another few years, but whether it will be with Merc or not, is yet to be seen. I get the impression that he's not going to wait around and see if the current Mercedes crew can develop a competitive car. I think unless they deliver this year, or actively bring in the right people to compete, he may open his options up to a potential driver move alongside Vettel at Redbull with the idea to work as a stop gap until the Redbull youngsters are properly seasoned. He also adds great scope for future development and gets on well with Vettel.


marchi-91 legend and expensive racer legend I think to have the Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche always singing positive tunes about having Schumacher around is clear sign of support, and while redbull could be a choice-bernie eccellstone's opinon of what he may like to see as well-it wouldn't be ideal and or as unique as winning with Mercedes-a historic car manufactuer,, which happened to help Schumahcer into f1, but never raced with them as a team in f1, it's unfinished business, and Brawn is in the game as well, the ingredients are there, when ferrari hadn't won in like 20 years before MS won, it was a unique title, and the Merdeces as a name-forgetting mclaren hasn't been touched for 50 years, the brand would mean more for MS-.

You say he's not going to wait around, but he's been patient for 2 seasons-one of his strengths, despite risking his comeback with them, it would be a dissapointment for all concerned if mercedes can't pull it off, at the same time, what driver has won 7 titles across 2 teams, and when did Schumacher win titles with Benetton and Ferrari in the 1st 2 years?

Things seem to happen for MS in the 3rd year:

Benetton 1992-1993-then 1994 title, I know Benetton won races in 92-93, current competition in 2012 looks strong
Ferrari 1996-1997-I think Jacques and Williams should of won the title earlier, Schumacher and Ferrari didn't look settled as a force until 1999-broken leg-bringed it home in 2000, great driving in 97/98 masked a progressing team.

Schumacher's style would wanna make him see out this mercedes challenge, only if it's not looking good, do I see a last minute swap about to another team, but it's all risky man, Senna moved to Williams in 94-and that team had problems early on-expected to win. You don't wanna leave as well at the wrong times-Kimi moved to ferrari in 2007, Mclaren maybe cheated-but they fielded winning cars in 20072008, or you could say bascially ferrari vs ferrari cars, if they hadn't had cheated, Kimi I think would of battled with Massa.
But there are a number of drivers
Hamilton
Button
Alonso
Kimi

Who have been in f1 for various years and have gotten 1 title to their name, or in case of Alonso-he's not had a title since 2006, that's 6 years man, he hasn't won since his michelin days, that drought is alot more serious-because he's now in ferrari in his 3rd year, they missed out in his 1st year 2010, Kimi in 2001 to 2006, nothing, close calls, had to move team-inherit Schumacher's seat ferrari-1 title to his name, nothing after, and coming back for a 2nd title with his 3rd team.

Buttom from year 2000-nothing until 2009, 1 title, brawn advantage year, nothing since, no pressure, no expectations, but a solid mclaren drive-winning races title or not

Hamilton one title in 2007, now going into his 5th year without a 2nd title, missed out in his 1st year 2007 kinda like Jacques in 1997, 2010 opportunities-2011-waste of a year and putting on pressure on his rivals.

Schumacher's been back for 2 years, his situation maybe different, but age is not a problem yet, but it's not ideal to wait too long and he's patient , at the same time he's not the only one who's waiting, but he's looking for some race wins at least, like mclaren/ferrari have enjoyed, and that's gotta be a target ASAP for mercedes.

Edited by SeanValen, 28 February 2012 - 18:20.


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Posted 28 February 2012 - 19:12

I may be biased, but I have no problem with MS staying on for a couple of years. A lot of the excitement last year was due to MS.

One thing for certain is that he is not embarrassing himself in the car.

#17204 ivand911

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 20:16

I don't think MS will drive for another team any more. I see him as NH replacement. Vice-President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport. Or even President. If there is President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport?

#17205 spacekid

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 20:48

As long as Michael can drive like he did in Italy last year I hope he stays.

(Assuming the rules aren't neutered to the point where defensive driving is completely banned, but thats for another thread).

Or as well as he drove in Canada or Spa. He may have lost ultimate speed, but I still put him easily in the top 10, and he is still a very entertaining driver to watch. And the sport needs that, I think.

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Posted 28 February 2012 - 23:29

I don't think MS will drive for another team any more. I see him as NH replacement. Vice-President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport. Or even President. If there is President Mercedes-Benz Motorsport?


(a) What's wrong wih Norbert, (b) Since when seven WDC crowns is correlated to being a good manager (like JT, for example), and lastly, you known he likes (to spend time with) his childern, don't you?

Edited by Sakae, 28 February 2012 - 23:30.


#17207 marchi-91

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:36

marchi-91 legend and expensive racer legend I think to have the Daimler chairman Dieter Zetsche always singing positive tunes about having Schumacher around is clear sign of support, and while redbull could be a choice-bernie eccellstone's opinon of what he may like to see as well-it wouldn't be ideal and or as unique as winning with Mercedes-a historic car manufactuer,, which happened to help Schumahcer into f1, but never raced with them as a team in f1, it's unfinished business, and Brawn is in the game as well, the ingredients are there, when ferrari hadn't won in like 20 years before MS won, it was a unique title, and the Merdeces as a name-forgetting mclaren hasn't been touched for 50 years, the brand would mean more for MS-.

You say he's not going to wait around, but he's been patient for 2 seasons-one of his strengths, despite risking his comeback with them, it would be a dissapointment for all concerned if mercedes can't pull it off, at the same time, what driver has won 7 titles across 2 teams, and when did Schumacher win titles with Benetton and Ferrari in the 1st 2 years?

Things seem to happen for MS in the 3rd year:

Benetton 1992-1993-then 1994 title, I know Benetton won races in 92-93, current competition in 2012 looks strong
Ferrari 1996-1997-I think Jacques and Williams should of won the title earlier, Schumacher and Ferrari didn't look settled as a force until 1999-broken leg-bringed it home in 2000, great driving in 97/98 masked a progressing team.

Schumacher's style would wanna make him see out this mercedes challenge, only if it's not looking good, do I see a last minute swap about to another team, but it's all risky man, Senna moved to Williams in 94-and that team had problems early on-expected to win. You don't wanna leave as well at the wrong times-Kimi moved to ferrari in 2007, Mclaren maybe cheated-but they fielded winning cars in 20072008, or you could say bascially ferrari vs ferrari cars, if they hadn't had cheated, Kimi I think would of battled with Massa.
But there are a number of drivers
Hamilton
Button
Alonso
Kimi

Who have been in f1 for various years and have gotten 1 title to their name, or in case of Alonso-he's not had a title since 2006, that's 6 years man, he hasn't won since his michelin days, that drought is alot more serious-because he's now in ferrari in his 3rd year, they missed out in his 1st year 2010, Kimi in 2001 to 2006, nothing, close calls, had to move team-inherit Schumacher's seat ferrari-1 title to his name, nothing after, and coming back for a 2nd title with his 3rd team.

Buttom from year 2000-nothing until 2009, 1 title, brawn advantage year, nothing since, no pressure, no expectations, but a solid mclaren drive-winning races title or not

Hamilton one title in 2007, now going into his 5th year without a 2nd title, missed out in his 1st year 2007 kinda like Jacques in 1997, 2010 opportunities-2011-waste of a year and putting on pressure on his rivals.

Schumacher's been back for 2 years, his situation maybe different, but age is not a problem yet, but it's not ideal to wait too long and he's patient , at the same time he's not the only one who's waiting, but he's looking for some race wins at least, like mclaren/ferrari have enjoyed, and that's gotta be a target ASAP for mercedes.


Thing is Sean, Michael isn't exactly at a point in his career where he can wait around building a team. It was different when he was young, but now he's got nothing left to prove. He has the right to be selfish in picking and choosing his team based on success. Senna was the same when he left McLaren at the age of 32. Part of me thinks Michael has done the hard yards, now enjoy racing with the massive pressure of trying to turn a team with one fluke season of success, into a champion team that will go on for a decade.



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Posted 29 February 2012 - 01:47

The Master seems happy:)

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The big boss dogg!! Nice picture! :up:

#17209 ivand911

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 06:50

(a) What's wrong wih Norbert, (b) Since when seven WDC crowns is correlated to being a good manager (like JT, for example), and lastly, you known he likes (to spend time with) his childern, don't you?

a) He will retire some day. What was wrong with BMW guy(Thiesen)? This is not job position for life.
b)Kids will grow up soon. MS know stuff about motorsport.
Mercedes will like 7time WDC to continue working for them. The best driver in F1 history you know.

Edited by ivand911, 29 February 2012 - 06:53.


#17210 Raelene

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:02

he has said he doesn't want to be a manager....he may be a great driver, doesn't mean he'd be great in managerial..

#17211 merschu

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 08:54

Saw this video on YouTube from Petronas Motorsports. Schumi pays a visit to the Imperial College London and also to the MercAMG Brackley factory to meet some students who are doing there internship.



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Posted 29 February 2012 - 09:03

he has said he doesn't want to be a manager....he may be a great driver, doesn't mean he'd be great in managerial..


Don't know about his managing skills but Schumi also said from the time he retired in 2006 to 2009 that he was not interested to drive in Formula One anymore, that he was done with it and all... but he came back in 2010. He might change his mind about not wanting to be a manager as well.

One day he will stop driving in F1 but I think he will still be involved with it always in some way.

Edited by merschu, 29 February 2012 - 09:10.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 10:54

Patrese on Michael :

http://www.planetf1....ent-Driver-Now-

And Johansson :

http://www.motorspor...o_12022903.html

Edited by Diablobb81, 29 February 2012 - 11:00.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 11:38

a) He will retire some day. What was wrong with BMW guy(Thiesen)? This is not job position for life.
b)Kids will grow up soon. MS know stuff about motorsport.
Mercedes will like 7time WDC to continue working for them. The best driver in F1 history you know.

Whilst I am not in know of true causes why he had problems, but there is a precedent with another famous driver from pre-Schumacher era, Mr. A. Prost. I love Alain, I do love Michael, but I am doubtful that this is a straight forward transitional path from a driver to a director's chair. JT with Ferrari was an excellent manager, and he knew when to delegate and when to take his own action. Character of work that Michael is performing is a detail oriented activity, and he might tend to micromanage whole organization he knows nothing about at the moment. You need him to stay next to Norbert for two or three years before he could step into his shoes comfortably. Besides, Nobi is still vital young man, nothing wrong with him (yet). :)

Edited by Sakae, 29 February 2012 - 11:41.


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Posted 29 February 2012 - 13:34

Patrese on Michael :


I got a lot of respect for Patrese but like all comments on MS I think that this year should be kept in hand and see what difference no EBD actually makes.

Having watched a lot of years of F1 I can only say that these years I see drivers jump (literally) out of their cars and stride to the weigh in with a spring in there step like they had just driven 5 laps, not 50 - I can remember an awful lot of drivers back in the 80's I can't say the same for .. you can argue all day if drivers are faster now or not but there is no question, not a doubt that they are fitter which at least means they can drive faster and concentrate harder for longer into a race - something that MS actually set the standard for.


#17216 spacekid

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 16:07

Opinions are only opinions, but Patreses opinions on Michael pretty much exactly reflect my own.

Still, not long now until we have some idea how this season will play out.

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Posted 29 February 2012 - 23:40

I got a lot of respect for Patrese but like all comments on MS I think that this year should be kept in hand and see what difference no EBD actually makes.

Having watched a lot of years of F1 I can only say that these years I see drivers jump (literally) out of their cars and stride to the weigh in with a spring in there step like they had just driven 5 laps, not 50 - I can remember an awful lot of drivers back in the 80's I can't say the same for .. you can argue all day if drivers are faster now or not but there is no question, not a doubt that they are fitter which at least means they can drive faster and concentrate harder for longer into a race - something that MS actually set the standard for.

I do remember 500 milles Indy race, after which they pulled Mansell out of the cockpit half unconcious; he, lacking any strength, was unable to extract himself out of it. (I do suspect that excessive heat had something to do with it as well, notwithstanding his dubious physical fitness).

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:19

Schumacher still gives Rosberg something think about. Imagine if this was Shcumacher 10 years younger.

I bet Michael will win the opening race in Melbourne. Him or Vettel.



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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:46

Schumacher still gives Rosberg something think about. Imagine if this was Shcumacher 10 years younger.

I bet Michael will win the opening race in Melbourne. Him or Vettel.

Haha, it's going to take either a lot of luck, a lot of rain, or both for Schumi to win Melbourne this year. :p

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:53

Haha, go ahead and laugh. See what happens race day at melbourne.;)

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 01:58

Haha, go ahead and laugh. See what happens race day at melbourne.;)

I'd love to see it happen, too, but unfortunately I don't think Merc is going to roll out a car that will allow their drivers to regularly challenge for wins this season. Hopefully we'll see another race like Canada 2011, though. :D

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 02:19

As long as Michael can drive like he did in Italy last year I hope he stays.

(Assuming the rules aren't neutered to the point where defensive driving is completely banned, but thats for another thread).

Or as well as he drove in Canada or Spa. He may have lost ultimate speed, but I still put him easily in the top 10, and he is still a very entertaining driver to watch. And the sport needs that, I think.

I think he drives like he did in Monza he will get penalised now they've tightened up the one move rule

#17223 ivand911

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 06:57

I think he drives like he did in Monza he will get penalised now they've tightened up the one move rule

I hope he will not need to drive like in Monza, this year. I hope for more attack than defending. Poor FW. :p

Edited by ivand911, 01 March 2012 - 06:57.


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Posted 01 March 2012 - 07:34

I think he drives like he did in Monza he will get penalised now they've tightened up the one move rule


That was one helluva drive. As long as they hand out a penalty with the same outcome as when Hamilton overtook that safetycar or danced in front of Petrov a year before hell be fine. :up:

#17225 Maldwyn

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 08:40

Patrese on Michael :
http://www.planetf1....ent-Driver-Now-

Just in case that article gives the impression those are recent comments from Riccardo, they are not. He was responding to a question put to him via his website early in the 2011 season and so his view then was based largely on MS's peformances during 2010.

It seems a number of websites & journalists 'discovered' those Q&A's after Jonathan Noble had picked up on his response to a question about there being no Italian drivers in F1 this year, which certainly is recent. I know because I speak with Riccardo for the website Q&A feature.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:01

Schumacher still gives Rosberg something think about. Imagine if this was Shcumacher 10 years younger.

I bet Michael will win the opening race in Melbourne. Him or Vettel.


I got to say that without rain and a some unusual things happening around him, the odds are pretty long and the recent mapping issue is a step back. Then they'll ban the mercury :lol:

The Lotus is interesting, they say the have a new chassis building technique which makes the tub lighter yet stiffer and they can get their ballast/CoG lower - the times you see in testing might be genuine, ie; faster than Benz if they are onto something new.

Again just conjecture, 2 weeks and "the bullshit stops when the flag drops"


#17227 cheapracer

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:05

Just in case that article gives the impression those are recent comments from Riccardo, they are not.


So they stuck this "there will be no Italian drivers on the 2012 grid ....something Patrese finds quite incredible" in to make it seem current? Not nice if they did.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:13

I got to say that without rain and a some unusual things happening around him, the odds are pretty long and the recent mapping issue is a step back.

It was mercedes who told the FIA about the mapping issue, not them who got dinged over it.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:43

So they stuck this "there will be no Italian drivers on the 2012 grid ....something Patrese finds quite incredible" in to make it seem current? Not nice if they did.

Essentially yes. It's been an interesting exercise to see how the Autosport story has triggered a number of different versions and interpretations on various websites. PlanetF1 appear to have "discovered" the Q&As via the Autosport piece to "expand" on the story.

The fact is he made the comments about Michael almost a year ago.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:49

I got to say that without rain and a some unusual things happening around him, the odds are pretty long and the recent mapping issue is a step back. Then they'll ban the mercury :lol:

The Lotus is interesting, they say the have a new chassis building technique which makes the tub lighter yet stiffer and they can get their ballast/CoG lower - the times you see in testing might be genuine, ie; faster than Benz if they are onto something new.

Again just conjecture, 2 weeks and "the bullshit stops when the flag drops"


Youre right, the Lotus is very interesting indeed.

#17231 ivand911

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 12:49

The Lotus is interesting, they say the have a new chassis building technique which makes the tub lighter yet stiffer and they can get their ballast/CoG lower - the times you see in testing might be genuine, ie; faster than Benz if they are onto something new.

Which give them the troubles and they missed second test. Now they repair the chassis and it cost them 1 kg more weight. What do you know about MGP chassis building technique?

Edited by ivand911, 01 March 2012 - 12:51.


#17232 LiJu914

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 13:17

Somehow i guess MSC won´t overcome his recent weakness in Qualifying and i also expect the field to be closer together in 2012.
As a result his disadavantage regarding starting postions might even grow. Hence i think the gap between him and Rosberg will grow again.


Ps. I know it´s completly speculative, but that´s my general feeling right now.




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Posted 01 March 2012 - 18:43

I got a lot of respect for Patrese but like all comments on MS I think that this year should be kept in hand and see what difference no EBD actually makes.

Having watched a lot of years of F1 I can only say that these years I see drivers jump (literally) out of their cars and stride to the weigh in with a spring in there step like they had just driven 5 laps, not 50 - I can remember an awful lot of drivers back in the 80's I can't say the same for .. you can argue all day if drivers are faster now or not but there is no question, not a doubt that they are fitter which at least means they can drive faster and concentrate harder for longer into a race - something that MS actually set the standard for.

These cars are physically easier to drive than the ones from the 90's and 2000's. This was confirmed by MS himself (something which suprised him and which he found dissapointing). That's the reason why drivers come out of the car more fresh.
Secondly, remember Button, Hamilton, Massa, Alonso, Webber (and even Vettel) coming out of their 2007/2008 cars after a race? They didn't look that fresh as compared to now.

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 18:45

Somehow i guess MSC won´t overcome his recent weakness in Qualifying and i also expect the field to be closer together in 2012.
As a result his disadavantage regarding starting postions might even grow. Hence i think the gap between him and Rosberg will grow again.


Ps. I know it´s completly speculative, but that´s my general feeling right now.

I'm with you on that one. I just don't see how he can regain speed. The EBD thing for me accounts for very litte. In 2010 it was the same story in qualifyings and no engine mapping was involved with Mercedes' car.

I expect the same thing to happen this year, Schumi will be slightly faster or within a tenth behind in some sessions but will equally be like a second slower on some ocasions. I've made a list of qualifyings in which he was close/faster :
Australia 2010: 0,043s slower
Barcelona 2010: 0,114s faster
Monaco 2010: 0,043s slower in relation Nico's Q3 but 0,215s in relation to Nico's Q2 time
Turkey 2010: 0,095s faster
Germany 2010: 0,008s slower
Belgium 2010 : 0,011s faster
Brazil 2010: 0,564s faster on damp conditions

So 7 out 19 times, Schumacher was competitive in qualifyings regarding 2010 season.

Barcelona 2011: 0,102s slower
Monaco 2011: 0,059s faster
Canada 2011: 0,050s slower
Valencia 2011: 0,009s slower
Singapore 2011: 0,362s faster in Q2 when both set times and 0,030s slower than Nico's Q3 time
Japan 2011: Nico didn't participate but Schumacher's Q2 time was already very competitive compared to other cars in front and behind

So 6 out of 18(didn't include Spa because Schumacher couldn't participate), he was competitive in 2011.

The rate is roughly the same and could have been exactly the same if Schumi's wheel didn't fall of in Spa and he proved competitive there. For the 2012 season, I expect the same rate for him being competitive, qualifying-wise.

Edited by Kubiccia, 01 March 2012 - 18:48.


#17235 ivand911

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Posted 01 March 2012 - 19:23

Tomorrow Mr. Michael Schumacher will drive in the test. If this is not luck, I don't know what is. I think this year MS will be much closer to Nico and he can finish the year ahead. If he stop crashing people.

Edited by ivand911, 01 March 2012 - 19:24.


#17236 Sakae

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 02:55

What are you up to, Ivan?

#17237 ivand911

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Posted 02 March 2012 - 07:08

What are you up to, Ivan?

We are lucky that MS is around. :p So, I plan to enjoy it. Not wondering will he beat Nico or not.


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Posted 04 March 2012 - 16:10

Pretty good testing day, 100 laps, hope he managed to do everything he wanted.

#17239 Jejking

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Posted 04 March 2012 - 16:13

We are lucky that MS is around. :p So, I plan to enjoy it. Not wondering will he beat Nico or not.

Well a challenge is always good to watch :p

Greatest challenge of his whole carreer imho. By the way, I know testing doesn't say everything but this is remarkable.


Edited by Jejking, 04 March 2012 - 16:20.


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Posted 05 March 2012 - 13:41

Today F1 is to find the limit of the tyres, that limit which tyres will have the best pace for the stint. If you go over this limit you kill tyres quickly. You can have 3-4 quick laps and after that lap time drops. Driver need to pace himself. And Michael does this well. Last year MS did great stint in India. Long and somehow fast. Nobody believed that softs can last so long. I think this is playing well for MS. Young drivers want to push more. MS is self disciplined, we saw it last year. Drivers ahead(Nico) pushed more and left him behind, but he didn't push to maintain the gap. But latter his pace quickens and he catch them when their tyres were finished. Young drivers tend to pursuit guys ahead and also killing their tyres. This is why his race pace is good. I don't say he is slow, but modern F1 is not for the fastest guy. Because you need to save tyres. Maybe Nico is 0,3-0,5 sec faster than him, or maybe he pushes more in Q. Don't know. I still think that when you push more in Q3 you take life from this tyres and their pace will start to drop quicker in the race.
Q will be interesting in Australia.

Edited by ivand911, 05 March 2012 - 13:43.


#17241 Jejking

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 18:58

Schumacher did a good job last year but Rosberg wasn't bad either, he proved he was able to handle them quite well too and better than Schumacher at certain races. Still interesting though.

#17242 Richardc

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Posted 05 March 2012 - 19:04

Q will be interesting in Australia.


I think it will probably be nearly as painful as most of last years (though i hope i'm proven wrong!), however the w03 should have MS more comfortably into the top 10. :smoking:


#17243 ivand911

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 13:21

Some MS pictures:
http://imageshack.us...0207pd5598.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...0207pd5595.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...0207pd5596.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...0207pd5597.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...0223pd3611.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...0223pd3522.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...32/0379581.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...34/eq71935.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...10302mel10.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...10302mel08.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...8986809325.jpg/
http://imageshack.us...4986806794.jpg/

http://ru-f1.livejou...677.html#cutid1

Edited by ivand911, 06 March 2012 - 13:34.


#17244 Sakae

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 16:41

It's going to be difficult to get into Q3, because this year we have more candidates for P6 - P14. (Just plain bone feeling).

#17245 Richardc

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 16:47

But if we have the 3rd fastest car on pure pace, it shouldnt be hard to make the top 10 hopefully. The first Q3 is likely to answer all our questions about the relative pace of the cars and Schu and Rsberg.

#17246 Tardis40

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 16:50

This time last year some people were predicting that Renault, Sauber, Williams, even Toro Rosso were going to whip MGP. Same thing this year. Raikkonnen isn't going to work any magic at Renault and those other teams are still going to be chasing the same top four. There may be a little change in the pecking order among the top four however.

#17247 Sakae

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 16:57

One answer is lacking, namely, is Mercedes going to have tyre good enough to finish a race. I do not believe necessarily everything what I read, but quite a lot of people around F1 seems to hold an opinion that Merc has greater degradation, than rest of them. We need a few races to get to the bottom of this.

Edited by Sakae, 06 March 2012 - 16:58.


#17248 ivand911

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 17:38

One answer is lacking, namely, is Mercedes going to have tyre good enough to finish a race. I do not believe necessarily everything what I read, but quite a lot of people around F1 seems to hold an opinion that Merc has greater degradation, than rest of them. We need a few races to get to the bottom of this.

Last year they have massive degradation in Australia. I think first race will answer the question if MGP have bigger than other team degradation. Or not.

#17249 cheapracer

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 18:14

Raikkonnen isn't going to work any magic at Renault and those other teams are still going to be chasing the same top four.


I think you're wrong and I don't mean Kimi, I mean the Lotus (not Renault fyi), both of them look to be a serious threat and I'm still saying Force India are right in there and now Williams have Renault powe ...

RBR and Mclaren will still be the ones to beat but theres going to be a real bun fight between 4 or 5 teams for the 3rd ranking.


#17250 DutchCruijff

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Posted 06 March 2012 - 18:23



Epic. The only thing that will taint his career is his fashion sense.