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#17301 Schumacher7

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 18:11

look


What do they know in Ecuador?

They know he's in the last year of a three year contract...

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#17302 Octavian

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Posted 10 March 2012 - 18:38

What is it about in short? I'd like to know what I'm about to buy.


Just look in the magazine next time you see it in the shop :)

#17303 Timstr11

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:11

Some good food for thought for Schumacher's fans and critics:
http://www.guardian....cedes-interview

Edited by Timstr11, 11 March 2012 - 12:16.


#17304 jj2728

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:36

Some good food for thought for Schumacher's fans and critics:
http://www.guardian....cedes-interview


A good read. Thanks.

#17305 Sakae

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:47

At this stage I think RB is also fighting for his legacy, and I do not mean it in a bad way, but it would be probably unprecedented to have on his Resume rise of SF, rise of ex-Honda under his banner, and now Mercedes. Not bad at all.



#17306 Jejking

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 12:48

Just look in the magazine next time you see it in the shop :)

Yes, well, I'm not going to buy unknown stuff. So I will probably do that :)

#17307 F1Champion

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 15:10

Any idea if any interviewer has asked Michael if he feels like he can now drive a little more like he used to, balancing the car on throttle and brakes with the EBD ban?

#17308 ivand911

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 15:14

Any idea if any interviewer has asked Michael if he feels like he can now drive a little more like he used to, balancing the car on throttle and brakes with the EBD ban?

I don't think he will get straight answer.


#17309 Pits

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 15:23

I hope so, I would like Schumacher to do well this year! :clap:

#17310 Kubiccia

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 16:47

Any idea if any interviewer has asked Michael if he feels like he can now drive a little more like he used to, balancing the car on throttle and brakes with the EBD ban?

won't this EBD thing never end? I already said here many times that in 2010 they didn't have it and the situation was even worse.

#17311 Szoelloe

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 17:07

won't this EBD thing never end? I already said here many times that in 2010 they didn't have it and the situation was even worse.


That's a giant heap of BS. Until the the blow-mapping started, mid-season 2010, Valencia, I think) the difference was not significant between them. You said it many times, and you were wrong many times. How was it worse? MS crumbled in qualy's from then on. Problem with you is that you forget what you read within ten seconds, and start the same BS all over. Take some pills, your memory is short, and you pull facts for your axx.


#17312 Richardc

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 18:18

Also the 2010 car was heavily leaning towards understeer? Which could potentially ruin the difference.

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 18:27

That's a giant heap of BS. Until the the blow-mapping started, mid-season 2010, Valencia, I think) the difference was not significant between them. You said it many times, and you were wrong many times. How was it worse? MS crumbled in qualy's from then on. Problem with you is that you forget what you read within ten seconds, and start the same BS all over. Take some pills, your memory is short, and you pull facts for your axx.


Why not just wait if the lack of EBD will make a difference and then judge? If MS is constantly within 2 tenths of Rosberg (or even matches or beats him) in qualifying for the first few 2012 races, then you will have a strong case for your "EBD was MS' kryptonite" theory. If not, then not.

#17314 Szoelloe

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 18:38

Why not just wait if the lack of EBD will make a difference and then judge? If MS is constantly within 2 tenths of Rosberg (or even matches or beats him) in qualifying for the first few 2012 races, then you will have a strong case for your "EBD was MS' kryptonite" theory. If not, then not.


Yep. I'd say that Rosberg is the kryptonite though. No doubt he is exceptional.


#17315 Kubiccia

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 20:26

That's a giant heap of BS. Until the the blow-mapping started, mid-season 2010, Valencia, I think) the difference was not significant between them. You said it many times, and you were wrong many times. How was it worse? MS crumbled in qualy's from then on. Problem with you is that you forget what you read within ten seconds, and start the same BS all over. Take some pills, your memory is short, and you pull facts for your axx.

I remember somebody, don't know if you, claiming they already had it in mid 2010 but where is the source for that? I think I already read somewhere that only Red Bull had it for 2010 and other teams only introduced theirs in 2011. My memory is not that short, I just wanna see something more concrete to really prove that EBD was already introduced in the Mercedes for mid 2010. For instance, I remember asking for source of that before?



EDIT: You are RIGHT!!! I found here on a Scarbs article:

Since Mid season both Williams and Mercedes have created open fronted diffusers. In Mercedes case the 800c heat from the exhaust created problems with the diffuser rigidity. Detail design heat shields and improved materials, such as ceramic composites (i.e. Pyrosil) have allowed the exhaust flow to pass directly over the diffuser surface without thermal problems.


So the EBD thing might not be necessarily wrong. However, In China and Malaysia(this one in the wet), Schumi was slower by quite a big gap even without EBD but there might be some truth in what you claim because he was faster or closer to Nico everywhere else before Valencia. My bad, sorry!

Edited by Kubiccia, 12 March 2012 - 01:15.


#17316 emburmak

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 22:54

I hope so, I would like Schumacher to do well this year! :clap:



+1 Have to agree and hope! :cool:

#17317 Fondmetal

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Posted 11 March 2012 - 23:37

Using exhaust gases to generate downforce is nothing new.. they used this with the flat bottom cars in the early 90's Schumachers Benetton B192, B193 and also the B194 had the ability. I remember a documentory of how he was taking the maggots beckets sequence with his foot flat on the throttle while using left foot braking, he was using the exhaust gasses to create more downforce.

Edited by Fondmetal, 11 March 2012 - 23:38.


#17318 Kubiccia

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:03

Szoelloe
Thinking about it again. I don't have time now to search for it but, thinking again, I don't know if the EBD, itself, would jeopardize Schumacher driving style. Actually, wouldn't he benefit from it? I mean because he "plays" more with the throttle, he benefits from downforce he get's from staying longer with right pedal pressed. Isn't the engine mapping which would jeopardize Schumacher driving style? a device which would unable him to play with the throttle during cornering. Later. I'll try to find when Mercedes introduced their engine mapping.

PS:This was a genuine question, I'm not trying to prove a point with this post.

#17319 chrisaix

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 03:21

Szoelloe
Thinking about it again. I don't have time now to search for it but, thinking again, I don't know if the EBD, itself, would jeopardize Schumacher driving style. Actually, wouldn't he benefit from it? I mean because he "plays" more with the throttle, he benefits from downforce he get's from staying longer with right pedal pressed. Isn't the engine mapping which would jeopardize Schumacher driving style? a device which would unable him to play with the throttle during cornering. Later. I'll try to find when Mercedes introduced their engine mapping.

PS:This was a genuine question, I'm not trying to prove a point with this post.


I think you are spot on mate. Beacuse of the engine mapping michael can no longer play with the throttle and brakes, i think its just like driving a manual and automatic gearing.

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 04:15

Szoelloe
Thinking about it again. I don't have time now to search for it but, thinking again, I don't know if the EBD, itself, would jeopardize Schumacher driving style. Actually, wouldn't he benefit from it? I mean because he "plays" more with the throttle, he benefits from downforce he get's from staying longer with right pedal pressed. Isn't the engine mapping which would jeopardize Schumacher driving style? a device which would unable him to play with the throttle during cornering. Later. I'll try to find when Mercedes introduced their engine mapping.

PS:This was a genuine question, I'm not trying to prove a point with this post.

Sort of yes. The suggestion is that a system which automatically blows the diffuser when the throttle is released disadvantages a driver who based part of their technique on using the throttle under braking/through the corner as he is simply not allowed to do so (This much we know, having actually heard Michael being told not to use the throttle under braking). While it is plausible that an EBD might be used without an automated system, it is hard to imagine variable downforce in a corner in response to throttle action being anything but a disaster.. but maybe it could work.

#17321 SchuOz

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:05

One of my mates works in Quarantine at Sydney Int. Airport.
Told me he seen Schuey & Lewis last night coming through off an Emirates flight.

#17322 Sof1

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:18

One of my mates works in Quarantine at Sydney Int. Airport.
Told me he seen Schuey & Lewis last night coming through off an Emirates flight.


Schuey travels on his private jet, i doubt he would be using Emirates (not that its not good).

#17323 baddog

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 05:56

Schuey travels on his private jet, i doubt he would be using Emirates (not that its not good).

Are you sure he private jets to Oz? its a very long way..

#17324 Raelene

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:00

he has in the past used his private jet to get to Melbourne
btw Shaun - did you manage to spot NR in NZ..he landed there last week

Edited by Raelene, 12 March 2012 - 06:00.


#17325 black magic

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:12

I thought they all came commercial to oz due to costs

#17326 baddog

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:19

he has in the past used his private jet to get to Melbourne
btw Shaun - did you manage to spot NR in NZ..he landed there last week

No, I thought I did but it was just a couple of teenage girls on a night out..

Seriously didn't even know he was here though.

#17327 Raelene

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:19

a number of years ago I know RS came private as he stopped in Auckland on his way..

#17328 SchuOz

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:30

Ralf, Michael & Willi flew with Qantas several years ago..i know that for a fact.
Anyway, my mate seen Schuey last night...

#17329 DanardiF1

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 06:49

Ralf, Michael & Willi flew with Qantas several years ago..i know that for a fact.
Anyway, my mate seen Schuey last night...


Perhaps it's more cost effective to fly commercial to Australia, he would have to pay a lot more to fuel up his jet...

#17330 Schumacher7

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 16:15

Perhaps it's more cost effective to fly commercial to Australia, he would have to pay a lot more to fuel up his jet...

I doubt any decision made on air transport is down to cost, he's not exactly strapped for cash is he?;)

Edited by Schumacher7, 12 March 2012 - 16:33.


#17331 ivand911

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 16:21

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#17332 George Costanza

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 16:28

Who is all ready for the FP1 and the season?? It should be a great weekend. I hope Schu can show some magic...

#17333 Johnrambo

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 16:40

I doubt any decision made on air transport is down to cost, he's not exactly strapped for cash is he?;)


I'd much rather fly first class on A380 to Oz from Europe rather than small and noisy private jet.

#17334 Sof1

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 16:42

I can't wait for Friday. I really hope this year Schumi will give us something special.

Edited by Sof1, 12 March 2012 - 16:42.


#17335 Szoelloe

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:07

I'd much rather fly first class on A380 to Oz from Europe rather than small and noisy private jet.



The Dassault he owns is hardly small and noisy. I think he travels with the team between the fly-away races.

#17336 merschu

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:18

I have posted the picture of Schumi's private jet before but here it is again. ;)

It's pretty big compared to the other private jets in this picture.
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Edited by merschu, 12 March 2012 - 17:25.


#17337 Tardis40

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:26

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#17338 Tardis40

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:27

There should be an F1 car parked under it for comparison!


#17339 cheapracer

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:30

One of my mates works in Quarantine at Sydney Int. Airport.
Told me he seen Schuey & Lewis last night coming through off an Emirates flight.


Hope he de-liced them.

Did you all notice the registration on MS's jet? - M-IKEL (Michael)!

Edited by cheapracer, 12 March 2012 - 17:32.


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#17340 DutchCruijff

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 17:49

Jesus, not posting his private jet again...

#17341 Sakae

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 18:08

Sounds like his wife is not joining him on this trip then?

#17342 zyphro

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Posted 12 March 2012 - 19:24

Hope he de-liced them.

Did you all notice the registration on MS's jet? - M-IKEL (Michael)!


Don't lie :rotfl: :)

#17343 Kubiccia

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:10

Going back a bit to the engine mapping discussion:

Here's a comment taken from a Scarb's article(not from Scarb's himself):

Kyle R on July 12, 2010 at 10:54 pm said:

The Mercedes of Schumacher in particular, was heard to have a rather raspy sound on corner entry when they started running the system in Valencia. It was even noticed by a fan in the stands, and texted to the practice commentators – they mentioned it on air. Obviously every team will have slightly different results, but this is indicative of the retarded ignition on over-run. He (Schumacher) was also warned during practice at Silverstone, that the SECU may pull the anti stall if you maintain too much throttle and brake at the same time (which is what would be required to keep the throttle plate open, and allow the airflow required for this system to work on corner entry.

source:http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/red-bull-map-q-the-secret-to-the-teams-q3-pace/

If this engine mapping really affected Schumacher's pace in a considerable way, then I guess we might be able to see it this year. Or not, as the EBD is still used by everybody, eventhough limited, and I guess engine mapping would still be used to keep exhaust airflow constant.

In Silvestone 2001, IIRC, the engine mapping was heavily restricted and Schumacher qualified almost 4 tenths slower than Nico, so I shall stay carefull on this

Edited by Kubiccia, 13 March 2012 - 01:13.


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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:25

Going back a bit to the engine mapping discussion:

Here's a comment taken from a Scarb's article(not from Scarb's himself):

source:http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/red-bull-map-q-the-secret-to-the-teams-q3-pace/

If this engine mapping really affected Schumacher's pace in a considerable way, then I guess we might be able to see it this year. Or not, as the EBD is still used by everybody, eventhough limited, and I guess engine mapping would still be used to keep exhaust airflow constant.

In Silvestone 2001, IIRC, the engine mapping was heavily restricted and Schumacher qualified almost 4 tenths slower than Nico, so I shall stay carefull on this


Hmm I don't where I stand on this.

I just think Michael is having a tough time adjusting to the new formula: but I'm sure he will adapt this year fully.

We saw signs of it last yr.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 01:29

Going back a bit to the engine mapping discussion:

Here's a comment taken from a Scarb's article(not from Scarb's himself):

source:http://scarbsf1.wordpress.com/2010/07/10/red-bull-map-q-the-secret-to-the-teams-q3-pace/

If this engine mapping really affected Schumacher's pace in a considerable way, then I guess we might be able to see it this year. Or not, as the EBD is still used by everybody, eventhough limited, and I guess engine mapping would still be used to keep exhaust airflow constant.

In Silvestone 2001, IIRC, the engine mapping was heavily restricted and Schumacher qualified almost 4 tenths slower than Nico, so I shall stay carefull on this

Here is a comment i found in JAonF1 website provided by a user:
"Michael's pace at Silverstone, where he set numerous fastest laps and finished just 15s behind Nico despite doing a whole lap with a broken wing, an extra pit stop AND a 10s stop/go penalty suggest we could see him improve his performance with the EBD ban"

#17346 Kubiccia

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:10

I just read somewhere else that hot blowing is banned, so that may help him

#17347 cheapracer

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:29

Here's a comment taken from a Scarb's article(not from Scarb's himself):

The Mercedes of Schumacher in particular, was heard to have a rather raspy sound on corner entry when they started running the system in Valencia. It was even noticed by a fan in the stands,......... .


Now seriously this is what I refer to about 1994 and the bullshit about traction control - apparently out of millions of fans, thousands of experienced Journo's and hundreds of F1 engineers trackside no one but one man, ie; Senna, can distinguish that the Benetton had TC! :rotfl:

#17348 zyphro

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 02:42

I just read somewhere else that hot blowing is banned, so that may help him


True :up: .

#17349 repeatoffender

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 04:06

I just read somewhere else that hot blowing is banned, so that may help him



If it will help him, the haters will cry that FIA banned it to help MS.

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Posted 13 March 2012 - 09:00

If you wonder what is the view from Schumacher grandstand:
http://t.co/sua4rSWM
To turn 16:
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To turn 15:
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Edited by ivand911, 13 March 2012 - 09:05.