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#17401 Paco

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:17

As nice as a result as it is, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt for now. It was a mixed bag day with damp conditions etc. which tends to even out the grid a bit more. Good 1st day mind you but I think people will need to be conservative for now and not get ahead of themselves.

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#17402 Raelene

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:18

As nice as a result as it is, it needs to be taken with a grain of salt for now. It was a mixed bag day with damp conditions etc. which tends to even out the grid a bit more. Good 1st day mind you but I think people will need to be conservative for now and not get ahead of themselves.


you've said it so much more nicely than my blunt Aussie way ;)

#17403 Tarzaan

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:27

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#17404 DutchCruijff

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:30

Why are people solely concentrating on times rather than comments from the team itself, onboard footage and expert views? Timing isn't all.

#17405 Raelene

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:38

cause the team/driver are both saying - different programs etc....

it's a good start - but they've had good starts before and then it all went downhill

#17406 george1981

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:49

cause the team/driver are both saying - different programs etc....

it's a good start - but they've had good starts before and then it all went downhill


I don't think they've started this well after doing well in preseason testing. The drivers seem happy in the car, Ross Brawn has said that they don't have to work on fixing major faults they can just concentrate on making the car faster. So I think Mercedes can be quietly confident, I expect the RedBulls and the McLarens still to be quicker when it matters but hopefully the Mercedes drivers have a fighting chance.
Last year Mercedes didn't look to be all that special until the last few days of testing when they put in some fast times in what looked like quali sims. This year they did a lot of high fuel running and lots of people doing independent analysis adjusting for fuel think they're quick.

#17407 kar

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 08:57

And here he is, he's back.

Finally.

Long may it continue :D

#17408 Raelene

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:05

I don't think they've started this well after doing well in preseason testing. The drivers seem happy in the car, Ross Brawn has said that they don't have to work on fixing major faults they can just concentrate on making the car faster. So I think Mercedes can be quietly confident, I expect the RedBulls and the McLarens still to be quicker when it matters but hopefully the Mercedes drivers have a fighting chance.
Last year Mercedes didn't look to be all that special until the last few days of testing when they put in some fast times in what looked like quali sims. This year they did a lot of high fuel running and lots of people doing independent analysis adjusting for fuel think they're quick.


oh I do think they are better than previous years...i'm just replying to the post about why are people concentrating on times. I don't look at times in FP as it means nothing. FP3 means a little more, but qualy will really show who has the real speed

#17409 Sakae

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:06

Fantastic (that I can let air out of my blue face).

#17410 Massa_f1

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:13

cause the team/driver are both saying - different programs etc....

it's a good start - but they've had good starts before and then it all went downhill


Yes by no means i am getting overly happy with todays result. Schumacher was doing ok on many Fridays last year only to qualify outside the top 10 when it mattered.

However i will take how the car looked as a positive the on boards with Schumacher were the best i have seen him at the wheel of an f1 car since 2006.

If thats how it performs for him in the dry tomrrow... We shall see.

#17411 Hacklerf

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:40

This is fantastic, ok Michael P1, great stuff, but more importantly it seems the car has promise and this is what we need

#17412 IceSkyrim

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:42

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#17413 Math89

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:47

I'm very happy to see him on top but come on... Didn't it happen quite often in the last two seasons that Schumacher would get us all exited with good free practice results and then shatter are hopes on saturday and perhaps even more on sunday?

I'm hoping for a good qualifying. And then I'll start hoping for more.

#17414 Disgrace

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 09:50

Quali is the big weak link; if Michael does better on the Saturday rather than the Sunday it could be more telling for his season's form.

#17415 valachus

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:00

http://www.motorspor...cke-besser.html

He says the handling of the car is a LOT better than with the W02


Sure looks like it :up: Google translate has exclusive AI-assisted technical insight over the real reason for improved handling, too:

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I hope MGP mechanics have the common sense to just let the thing right where it is now, I know I absolutely hate it when my steering wheel or seat adjustments are changed by service guys or at the carwash :lol:






#17416 Hacklerf

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:07

I suspect this year that the qualy is not important, this will help Schumi, ok maybe you have to still be top 10 but i think honestly, it is not important as like last few years due to this new rubber

#17417 merschu

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:44

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#17418 zyphro

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:46

The main thing to take is not that he finished p1, more that he looked a whole lot more comfortable in the car, the steering inputs seem smoother from the onboard we have seem - but its very early days.


This.

:up:

I knew immediately he looked comfortable from the onboard shots.

#17419 zyphro

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:47

Quite clear Mercedes won;t be fighting with Williams/Sauber/FI. Could Cheapracer clean up the aisle of humility, thank you.

:rotfl: :rotfl:

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#17420 zyphro

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 10:48

Ok, I didn't watch either FP1 or FP2. From you who were watching it, how did he look? If we try to ignore the times, was there any noticeable difference from last year?

He looked sharp that's for sure.

#17421 fieraku

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:11

I will go as far as say if Schu was driving the RB7W03 with Webber Nico as a teammate not only he'd win races but the WDC as well.He still got it.


Fixed :wave:

#17422 MikeTekRacing

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 11:20

is there any video of an oboard lap?

#17423 Jejking

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:06

Not yet. Times don't mean crap but for now it seems he is comfortable in the car. Let's see if that trend continues in FP3 and Q1/2/3 when it matters.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 12:17

Having missed both FP sessions and not being able to find a scrap of them on the internet, I too am hungry for some onboard footage.

I agree the times are completely meaningless, but it is encouraging to hear people who did see the FPs talking about Michael looking smoother and more settled in his driving. And top 3 in both sessions is a nice way to start the season... cautiously optimistic.

#17425 ali.unal

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 13:27

Having missed both FP sessions and not being able to find a scrap of them on the internet, I too am hungry for some onboard footage.

I agree the times are completely meaningless, but it is encouraging to hear people who did see the FPs talking about Michael looking smoother and more settled in his driving. And top 3 in both sessions is a nice way to start the season... cautiously optimistic.

Yes, definitely.

The most encouraging point for me, spacekid, is not the timesheets or less frantic steering inputs or handling. It's that Michael was fast straight out of the box, just as before. He was setting purple sections starting his very first lap. That only means he is comfortable and confident. That means he confides in the car, that is crucial to get a lap time in. I think it's the most tangible thing to say, really. It was a feat I haven't seen from him lately.

Schumacher: "The car feels positive, we have an excellent machine. We all anticipate a dry weekend from here on, so we weren't too bothered by the rain."

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#17426 Polle

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 13:31

I've always found his driving style to be very erratic but it did seem today that he was in more control of the car than he ever been with the previous 2 years which is encouraging.

#17427 Rikhart

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 13:36

For schumacher to say they have "an excellent machine", that sure means something...

#17428 fieraku

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 13:36

Having missed both FP sessions and not being able to find a scrap of them on the internet, I too am hungry for some onboard footage.

I agree the times are completely meaningless, but it is encouraging to hear people who did see the FPs talking about Michael looking smoother and more settled in his driving. And top 3 in both sessions is a nice way to start the season... cautiously optimistic.

Schu looked great,he was on it no mistakes and at ease.It seems he likes this car and it fits him well.

I don't know if anyone else caught it but there was a shot of Schu in the garage standing besides the car and he looked eager to get in and get on with it,and I mean eager.
Things look better than last season the least.

#17429 Octavian

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 13:57

I saw that Fieraku! He was itching to get in it :D

I love how he's throwing the car around - this is the first time I've seen him do that since his return, whether he feels confident in the car or something inside of him has just reignited I don't know but he seems to have got that confidence back to really push the limits of the car :D

#17430 Tardis40

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 14:12

Having missed both FP sessions and not being able to find a scrap of them on the internet, I too am hungry for some onboard footage.

I agree the times are completely meaningless, but it is encouraging to hear people who did see the FPs talking about Michael looking smoother and more settled in his driving. And top 3 in both sessions is a nice way to start the season... cautiously optimistic.


He could have led the first session if he wanted to. The track was improving significantly with every lap and Michael's times were set well before the sessiion ended.

Like they say, Friday testing times are meaningless however I still prefer to see my driver's meaningless times at the top of the sheet :)


#17431 Hacklerf

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:18

If Schumi is on the podium, im opening champagne no matter how early it is:D

#17432 ali.unal

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:27

Here is an interesting bit of information from a forum I follow.

In 1992 & 1993, Nigel Mansell and Alain Prost became champions in Adrian Newey designed Williams-Renault. But in 1994, Michael Schumacher stopped them, winning the title with Benneton-Ford with Ross Brawn besides him.

In 1998 & 1999, Mika Hakkinen became champion in a McLaren-Mercedes, and Newey was there again. Guess who stopped them in 2000? It was Michael Shumacher again in a Ferrari and Ross Brawn was besides him, too.

In 2010 & 2011, young Sebastian Vettel won the title in a car designed by who? It's Mr.Newey again!
Incidentally in 2012, Michael Schmacher and Ross Brawn are together this time at Mercedes AMG Petronas.

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#17433 DutchCruijff

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:32

Where it fails, '96 & '97.

#17434 Jomyboy

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:33

I think in 97 Newey was already on his way to Mclaren??
also failed was 2005-2006 but then he retired. Im pretty sure he would have won 2007 hands down

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#17435 ali.unal

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:36

Come on, it's just a fan fact (F-Fact), nothing more.

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#17436 Sof1

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 16:48

It would be nice if it would come true! Heck if Schumi get a win it would be amazing. Damn I never thought my expectations of schuminwould be so low lol.

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 17:04

I had a dream last night that he won the Australian GP and woke up to him being fastest in FP2. Tempted to put some money down...


#17438 merschu

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 17:19

is there any video of an oboard lap?


Here is a small 49sec long Onboard lap of Schumi


Edit: Another video of Sky Sports interview with Schumi

Edited by merschu, 16 March 2012 - 17:21.


#17439 Ruf

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 17:53

Where it fails, '96 & '97.



I think in 97 Newey was already on his way to Mclaren??
also failed was 2005-2006 but then he retired. Im pretty sure he would have won 2007 hands down

Well, in 97 Newey was on 'gardening leave' but the car was still pretty much designed so you can safely count it as Newey's as well. 2005-2006 is correct though, but he had the entire FIA against them with their daily regulation changes (and they still beat them in 2003 and 2004;))

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#17440 Sakae

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 19:32

Here is a small 49sec long Onboard lap of Schumi


Edit: Another video of Sky Sports interview with Schumi



Both - nice!

#17441 Octavian

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 19:41

The thought of Schumacher winning is actually making me giddy! It would be a dream come true (for a lot of people too!). Guess we'll see the prospects of that happening tomorrow but the car looks good and it's so good to see Schumacher being able to throw a car around how he likes again :)

#17442 Tardis40

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 19:47

Thanks for the pics and videos.

Come on, Michael. You can do it !!!


#17443 Urawa

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Posted 16 March 2012 - 23:15

Hopefully a saturday without a setback and good progress in all sessions.
At the moment I guess P5-7 in qualifying, still behind Nico tbh.

#17444 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:17

Not good start in FP3. Flatspoting the tyre. :rolleyes:

#17445 Sof1

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:23

Ros 3 tenth faster on same tires, here we go again!

#17446 GoRacing

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:28

Ros 3 tenth faster on same tires, here we go again!


I had the same feeling, it seemed to be a proper qualy simulation and still 3/10s slower :-( But one good thing is he set a competitive time on his first hot lap which he rarely did in 2011.

#17447 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 03:32

Track goes faster all the time. MS 5 laps , Nico 9 laps. Lets wait and see.
Now he lost time in S1,overtaking the car.

Edited by ivand911, 17 March 2012 - 03:35.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:10

Guys, Do you think Michael will be ahead of Nico in this qualy? As much as i want him to be ahead, somehow not confident about it. How about you guys?

Track goes faster all the time. MS 5 laps , Nico 9 laps. Lets wait and see.
Now he lost time in S1,overtaking the car.



#17449 Diablobb81

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:42

All i hope is that the cat is really good at that it's close between Nico and Michael.

#17450 vlado

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 05:42

From winter testing I think Roseberg is still faster.. smaller margin, but still ahead.