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#17501 Lelouch

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:32

Finally, a day to smile as a Schumi fan. :-)
I think he will have a good year ( i don't expect miracles ofc ) but tbh the most important thing for me is whether this season convinces him to stay for 2013. F1 without him makes me feel like a stray dog.
OT: I think Ferrari may want to get Ross and Michael back :p

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#17502 Ruf

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:35

OT: I think Ferrari may want to get Ross and Michael back :p

Luca di is slapping himself each morning ever since 2007 but he's too a stubborn ass to admit it.


#17503 LiJu914

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:38

Magic 8-ball:
Don´t ask me why, but somehow i expect his front-wing to fall off in the 1st corner tomorrow...







#17504 Lelouch

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:41

Luca di is slapping himself each morning ever since 2007 but he's too a stubborn ass to admit it.


:rotfl:

Magic 8-ball:
Don´t ask me why, but somehow i expect his front-wing to fall off in the 1st corner tomorrow...

:rotfl:

#17505 F1Champion

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:41

Luca di is slapping himself each morning ever since 2007 but he's too a stubborn ass to admit it.


QFT. :up:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:43

Luca di is slapping himself each morning ever since 2007 but he's too a stubborn ass to admit it.


To be honest, without Montezemolo, Schumacher would probably still be retired.

#17507 F1Champion

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:45

Nice to see schumi with his best quali in a merc. He will be starting on the dirty side. Hope he can maintain 4th into turn 1 and then take on grosjean.


Yeah I was hoping for P3, because of the dirty side of the track, but the margins are so tight. I think there is a straight line advantage so Michael will have to stay close.

#17508 F1Champion

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:47

To be honest, without Montezemolo, Schumacher would probably still be retired.


I was thinking more about Ross. He could of kept him but wanted an Italian team manager. It didn't make sense at the time given RB was technical director and probably closest to JT and it would have been a natural progression.

#17509 Ruf

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:48

To be honest, without Montezemolo, Schumacher would probably still be retired.

Without Montezemolo Michael would be probably retired today (not at all sure though), but Ferrari would have packed 3-4 more WDC's and WCC's with Michael, Ross, Jean and co.

#17510 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 11:51

Who else thinks that 4th position is better than 3rd? Obviously he's on the racing line and can be positioned for much better corner entry for T1 than Grosjean. Hopefulyl he will get past him immediately so he can chase up the Mclarens.

You mean 4th place is on the left side? If this is the case it is good.

#17511 mani1

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:00

OT: I think Ferrari may want to get Ross and Michael back :p


I can only wish MSC somehow goes back to Ferrari for 2013 and then retires. Schumacher and MGP never made sense and never will

#17512 LiJu914

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:00

You mean 4th place is on the left side? If this is the case it is good.


No it isn´t.

#17513 Crazy Ninja

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:01

Great to see the old master back at the front where he belongs :up: :up: Hope he has a clean race to a podium finish!

#17514 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:03

No it isn´t.

So, then it is not on the racing line.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:03

"I already felt it during the first laps (at Silverstone). The nature of the car fits me better. I can feel it better, can place it how I want to.
You can see it with the steering movement. It´s about half as much as with last years car! The window where the balance switches is very small, that´s a good sign.
Finally I´m sitting in a real race car. You can trust its reactions. It gives you confidence."

http://www.auto-moto...to-4575482.html

Edited by Urawa, 17 March 2012 - 12:04.


#17516 F1Champion

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:05

Finally, a day to smile as a Schumi fan. :-)
F1 without him makes me feel like a stray dog.


Totally agree, I thought I could support another driver after 2006, but couldn't. Kimi and Vettel come close but Michael produced some magical and awe inspiring drives and I just don't get that from others on the grid.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:08

So, then it is not on the racing line.


Inside line is more important into T1.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:09

Michael is on a dirty side, as I understand it, and P4 is mixed blessing, I think. If he had P3, McLaren would plan a strategy to block him. Now they have to worry about each other and an unknown element in P3. With little bit of luck Michael can take an advantage of potential chaos, unless P3 will strive to stay third instead racing for P2, and take him out in the first corner because of some excessive defense of his position. Michael cannot also forget boys behind him, altghou last year he has proved, that he can start well. It's an interesting situation.

#17519 LiJu914

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:09

So, then it is not on the racing line.


Not according to my definition of the term at least. To be clear: MSC starts from the right side.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:11

"I already felt it during the first laps (at Silverstone). The nature of the car fits me better. I can feel it better, can place it how I want to.
You can see it with the steering movement. It´s about half as much as with last years car! The window where the balance switches is very small, that´s a good sign.
Finally I´m sitting in a real race car. You can trust its reactions. It gives you confidence."

http://www.auto-moto...to-4575482.html

:up:

#17521 zyphro

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:12

Michael is on a dirty side, as I understand it, and P4 is mixed blessing, I think. If he had P3, McLaren would plan a strategy to block him. Now they have to worry about each other and an unknown element in P3. With little bit of luck Michael can take an advantage of potential chaos, unless P3 will strive to stay third instead racing for P2, and take him out in the first corner because of some excessive defense of his position. Michael cannot also forget boys behind him, altghou last year he has proved, that he can start well. It's an interesting situation.


If he gets an excellent start then he can have a punt into the inside line, at which logically grosjean would have to yield (if he hasn't passed him by then already).

#17522 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:17

Lets hope for points tomorrow and double digits if he can.  ;)

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:18

Lets hope for points tomorrow and double digits if he can. ;)


Agreed, let's just hope he has a great start where he doesn't lose a front wing >.>.

#17524 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:20

"I already felt it during the first laps (at Silverstone). The nature of the car fits me better. I can feel it better, can place it how I want to.
You can see it with the steering movement. It´s about half as much as with last years car! The window where the balance switches is very small, that´s a good sign.
Finally I´m sitting in a real race car. You can trust its reactions. It gives you confidence."

http://www.auto-moto...to-4575482.html

Bob Bell :up: :up: :up: Now other two guys need to make sure it will stay that way.


#17525 zyphro

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:20

Bob Bell :up: :up: :up: Now other two guys need to make sure it will stay that way.

Yep, in-season development will be very interesting indeed.

With the season being as long as it is, one can only hope things will get better from this solid foundation.

#17526 Longtimefan

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:21

Very happy at the moment although I worry about having grosjean alongside him.

I hope Schumi does one of his lightning starts and gets past quickly.

Go Schumi!

#17527 Ruf

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:24

Michael is on a dirty side, as I understand it, and P4 is mixed blessing, I think. If he had P3, McLaren would plan a strategy to block him. Now they have to worry about each other and an unknown element in P3. With little bit of luck Michael can take an advantage of potential chaos, unless P3 will strive to stay third instead racing for P2, and take him out in the first corner because of some excessive defense of his position. Michael cannot also forget boys behind him, altghou last year he has proved, that he can start well. It's an interesting situation.

Thing is that he's starting on the dirty line. I'm not worried about Grosjean or the boys behind him, they're veterans (well, most of them anyway) and I also believe that Grosjean won't be too enthusiastic or overdramatic. Louis and Jenson won't clash with eachother, not yet anyway. First 4 cars will get away cleanly through the first corner, in whatever order.

I'm actually more curious what will happen between Vettel and Weber in corner 1....

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:24

Michael is on a dirty side, as I understand it, and P4 is mixed blessing, I think. If he had P3, McLaren would plan a strategy to block him. Now they have to worry about each other and an unknown element in P3. With little bit of luck Michael can take an advantage of potential chaos, unless P3 will strive to stay third instead racing for P2, and take him out in the first corner because of some excessive defense of his position. Michael cannot also forget boys behind him, altghou last year he has proved, that he can start well. It's an interesting situation.


It's especially interesting to watch out how his starts look so far up the grid.

Given the average of places he made up starting around P10 starts last year, he should lead after the first lap - but we know it doesn't quite work like that. Or does it?

Whatever, I think with Hamilton and MS so close to eachother, there will always be a bit of excitement, one way or the other. :clap:

#17529 LiJu914

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:27

It's especially interesting to watch out how his starts look so far up the grid.

Given the average of places he made up starting around P10 starts last year, he should lead after the first lap - but we know it doesn't quite work like that. Or does it?

Whatever, I think with Hamilton and MS so close to eachother, there will always be a bit of excitement, one way or the other. :clap:


So, you hope they collide?  ;)


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:34

Based on his position of the grid, and knowing squat about long runs, I have Michael for P3 to P5 at the end of tommorrow's race.

Edited by Sakae, 17 March 2012 - 12:36.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:34

Im extremely happy and I just wanted to say: Hello, Mark Hughes!!! and your 80%!!!

Michael Schumacher :up: :up: :up: :up: :up:


Schumi (and not Schuey as Hughes always uses) at 80% with a decent car is better than 99% of the rest of the field.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:41

Schumi's performance was the only reason for me to smile today.And even if rosberg does a clean lap,I think the gap in quali wont be as big as last year anymore.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 12:47

Schumi's performance was the only reason for me to smile today.And even if rosberg does a clean lap,I think the gap in quali wont be as big as last year anymore.


Hopefully, but it´s a long way to go.
MSC looked also relatively good compared to Rosberg at Melbourne in the last two years. In 2010 the gap was 0,05sec and 0,3sec in 2011 (with a malfunctioning DRS).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 13:12

Schumi (and not Schuey as Hughes always uses) at 80% with a decent car is better than 99% of the rest of the field.


+1 :up:



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 14:29

@ confusion above:

Pole = P1 = advantage = racing line = left side of the grid.
P4 = disadvantage = not racing line = right side of the grid.

You're welcome :p

So, you hope they collide? ;)

To be fair, I have to say I can't recall a race where MSC and HAM really literally tripped over each other :)

Good stuff today and enjoying reading the comments about the feel in the car, let's wait and see what tomorrow brings. I hope for a bit of rain (unlikely) + a good start without wings going all over the place as a nice start of the season. Curious to say the least!

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 14:32

This season looks promising.
Although Rosberg is expected to beat Schumacher on Saturdays but grandpa will chase podiums on Sundays.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 14:36

Well playing advocates devil: Schumacher is always back in the rhythm quite quickly. That's one of his strong suits.

2010: right behind Rosberg after 305km in Bahrein.
2011: tackled before he had a chance to show it but quite close earlier that weekend, in Australia.
2012: going well.

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#17538 DutchCruijff

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:19

He's going to make a lot of people feel stupid this year.

#17539 Richardc

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:21

I hope so - but these are all very big assumptions based on one qualifying session. I just hope he puts in some good performances and isn't beaten by Rosberg.

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#17540 DutchCruijff

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:22

I hope so - but these are all very big assumptions based on one qualifying session. I just hope he puts in some good performances and isn't beaten by Rosberg.

Can you see him regressing? He feels v.comfortable with the car, the car is fast and he is on par with Rosberg in terms of race pace.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:25

I have to admit i'm optimistic, especially after reading what he had said about being more comfortable - confirming our observations.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:31

I'm sure Schumacher's performance has created more talk then the top 3 guys.

Schumacher was close enough for P3, and we might of seen him on tv for the qualifying top 3, which hasn't happened yet.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Schumacher was taken out in 2010, and didn't finish 2011 albert park either, so finishing the race in the points would be a improvement.
Schumacher showed good pace during the weekend of labert park in 2010, so the track itself even when he came back, he was more immediately on hhe ball then say Kimi was yestterday.

THese albert park first corners are not easy for all of them.

Edited by SeanValen, 17 March 2012 - 15:33.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:34

Can you see him regressing? He feels v.comfortable with the car, the car is fast and he is on par with Rosberg in terms of race pace.

:up:

Yep as I said after MSC's 1st run in FP1, he immediately felt what car was going to do. Unlike last yr where the car was so nervous.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:35

I'm sure Schumacher's performance has created more talk then the top 3 guys.

Schumacher was close enough for P3, and we might of seen him on tv for the qualifying top 3, which hasn't happened yet.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Schumacher was taken out in 2010, and didn't finish 2011 albert park either, so finishing the race in the points would be a improvement.
Schumacher showed good pace during the weekend of labert park in 2010, so the track itself even when he came back, he was more immediately on hhe ball then say Kimi was yestterday.

THese albert park first corners are not easy for all of them.


He could've had a shot at pole, but they lost a significant amount of time in the final sector (both mercs).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:35

I'm sure Schumacher's performance has created more talk then the top 3 guys.

Schumacher was close enough for P3, and we might of seen him on tv for the qualifying top 3, which hasn't happened yet.


Correct me if I'm wrong, but Schumacher was taken out in 2010, and didn't finish 2011 albert park either, so finishing the race in the points would be a improvement.
Schumacher showed good pace during the weekend of labert park in 2010, so the track itself even when he came back, he was more immediately on hhe ball then say Kimi was yestterday.

THese albert park first corners are not easy for all of them.


He could've had a shot at pole, but they lost a significant amount of time in the final sector (both mercs).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:38

He could've had a shot at pole, but they lost a significant amount of time in the final sector (both mercs).



Maybe they are setting up the car differently in the race. Sector 3 is high downforce, but sector 1 with rear wing straight line max out, is maybe the area they want to work. Guessing :smoking:
I don't think it's easy to compare Q1/Q2 TO Q3. You just look at Mclaren's P3, race set up qualifying on tyres is a different animal, one area where redbull looked so strong last 2 year,s, maybe they've lost it redbull and or, maybe it's just a bad weekend in optimising the car, little running, we'll see, early days.

Edited by SeanValen, 17 March 2012 - 15:40.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:41

He could've had a shot at pole, but they lost a significant amount of time in the final sector (both mercs).


So he couldn´t have a shot at pole.  ;)
S3 is always the crucial sector in Melbourne: Longest sector, highest amount of corners, more "technical" corners.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:41

Maybe they are setting up the car differently in the race. Sector 3 is high downforce, but sector 1 with rear wing straight line max out, is maybe the area they want to work. Guessing :smoking:
I don't think it's easy to compare Q1/Q2 TO Q3. You just look at Mclaren's P3, race set up qualifying on tyres is a different animal, one area where redbull looked so strong last 2 year,s, maybe they've lost it redbull and or, maybe it's just a bad weekend in optimising the car, little running, we'll see, early days.

Go back to 2001, 2002 and 2003. Ferrari smashed everyone in the last sector, the key was that point and still is.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:42

I am hoping, Michael will finish the race without any touching or colliding with others. At least he finishes at P4 or reaches the podium. That will be very good. :)



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:44

Maybe they are setting up the car differently in the race. Sector 3 is high downforce, but sector 1 with rear wing straight line max out, is maybe the area they want to work. Guessing :smoking:
I don't think it's easy to compare Q1/Q2 TO Q3. You just look at Mclaren's P3, race set up qualifying on tyres is a different animal, one area where redbull looked so strong last 2 year,s, maybe they've lost it redbull and or, maybe it's just a bad weekend in optimising the car, little running, we'll see, early days.


True.