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#17551 zyphro

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:46

So he couldn´t have a shot at pole. ;)
S3 is always the crucial sector in Melbourne: Longest sector, highest amount of corners, more "technical" corners.


Err technically he did have a chance.

But more importantly why are they losing 2tenths+ in that final sector? The Renault under Growjon was mighty there.

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#17552 zyphro

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:49

Go back to 2001, 2002 and 2003. Ferrari smashed everyone in the last sector, the key was that point and still is.


Agreed

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:53

From what I´ve seen he was very careful in S3 on the final run.
maybe 1-2 tenth were to get their but that´s just a guess.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:55

Err technically he did have a chance.

But more importantly why are they losing 2tenths+ in that final sector? The Renault under Growjon was mighty there.



True.



Also remember, the cars race performance may or maynot reflect the qualifying times, lets see, the sector 3 times on high fuel set up on a long strint is what we'll find out. Unknown.


Redbull could have a strong and long race car peroformance and end up fighting for the win. These tyres on this track in the race we have no idea.

Mercedes have gone a different route with their car wing wise, other then mclaren so far, lets see how it pans out.


And Growjon might be a trulli like tyre eater, and qualifies high and falls back, lets see.




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Posted 17 March 2012 - 15:58

Also remember, the cars race performance may or maynot reflect the qualifying times, lets see, the sector 3 times on high fuel set up on a long strint is what we'll find out. Unknown.


Redbull could have a strong and long race car peroformance and end up fighting for the win. These tyres on this track in the race we have no idea.

Mercedes have gone a different route with their car wing wise, other then mclaren so far, lets see how it pans out.


And Growjon might be a trulli like tyre eater, and qualifies high and falls back, lets see.


Fair play.

Guess we just gotta see how it pans out. :up:

#17556 SeanValen

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:01

Go back to 2001, 2002 and 2003. Ferrari smashed everyone in the last sector, the key was that point and still is.




In the the era of spending money and some t cars before 2003, , qualifying was different as well, I don't think everyone is doing their best work in qualifying, because the better job sometimes is doing a solid job and keeping the car unbroken, a bit of caution is needed with these rules and maybe at the start of the season more so, because these are flyaway races, there is no testing for a while, learning now, getting the car to do a race performance very important, get that data, more important then saturday, , but living in the margins, if you go off in Q3 like many cars have done in the weekend, or if you make a minor mistake which ends up being more positions, you lose out, the car may not be the same, there is no race warm up time on race day, you lose the work you've done on saturday.

Does Schumacher weigh up the odds? Did Rosberg just wanna get pole and leave race to the gods, who knows. The hardwork of the team, chasing extra time and risk going off, his off in practice like many, could of ended up worse with damage to the car, damage to the car with these rules is costly for race day


It's different era, being 2 tenths down in one sector, could mean 2 tenths up in another sector during a longer 15 lap strint, it's all relative.


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Edited by SeanValen, 17 March 2012 - 16:07.


#17557 D.M.N.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:04

While 4th is good, and I was on the edge of the seat and am hoping for a podium tomorrow, anything can happen tomorrow. First objective has to be getting around lap 1 in the top 6 as a minimum. Schumi's had some good starts, and it would be great to see him mix it with the McLaren's in stint 1, but wouldn't want his race compromised in the process.

Should be interesting. :up:

#17558 Octavian

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:14

I wouldn't be surprised to see him up in to P2 by the end of the first few corners. I think Grosjean is going to creating a distraction for the McLaren drivers which should allow Schumacher to split the McLarens.
He's brilliant at starting so I think the number one aim is at least clearing Grosjean and then seeing what the race pace and tyre management is like. I'm sure Ross Brawn has it covered for strategy :)

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:16

While 4th is good, and I was on the edge of the seat and am hoping for a podium tomorrow, anything can happen tomorrow. First objective has to be getting around lap 1 in the top 6 as a minimum. Schumi's had some good starts, and it would be great to see him mix it with the McLaren's in stint 1, but wouldn't want his race compromised in the process.

Should be interesting. :up:


I wouldn't be surprised to see him up in to P2 by the end of the first few corners. I think Grosjean is going to creating a distraction for the McLaren drivers which should allow Schumacher to split the McLarens.
He's brilliant at starting so I think the number one aim is at least clearing Grosjean and then seeing what the race pace and tyre management is like. I'm sure Ross Brawn has it covered for strategy :)



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Schumacher's starts in 2011 very impressive, , I wonder if he can continue that, I wonder if it's something he's exploited with these mercedes cars, and tyres, if the car can race well and start well, great, but if he's back to his ferrari performances, then maybe ok starts and hunt for the podium, I dunno about how long he can keep these starts up, because his career before 2010, didn't suggest he was super quick on the starts, and I don't think anyone was to the degree he showed in 2011, so I'm wondering if it had to do with those specific tyres/rules/set up for 2011, it could be a one off season those starts, I think that reputation of good starts may be the only great thing he achieved with the difficult mercedes cars of 2011/2010,

If you remember in 2000, the ferrari wasn't great on starts, and Schumacher had to do his Schumi chop,, because in a way, he knew mclaren and others had a start advantage, or traction edge on starts, so it could be something car/set up/tyre specific. :smoking:



He's been in the sport 3 decades, and in his 3rd decade his starts are better, but if the starts are linked with his best results, then he's clearly found something, I don't think this pattern is going to continue, I might be wrong, I think he'll be strong, but those starts might be season/car/tyre set up specific, I hope not, they are great to see, but unless it's podiums or wiins, it's not something I'm expecting to see continued.

Edited by SeanValen, 17 March 2012 - 16:22.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:19

Even though the car has had good pace all weekend. I am still keeping my expectations lowish. Mainly to avoid any disappointment. Top 6 finish will do. Anything better i will still class as a bonus. So nervous for that first corner. Have not been this nervous for a start of a GP in a long time.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:27

So the reflexes came back it seems :drunk:

I always said he still got it,and what's great about it is that he's proof that we can see these younger guys for a loooong time.I was very happy by his performance.
'Ol man still got it'

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:27

Even though the car has had good pace all weekend. I am still keeping my expectations lowish. Mainly to avoid any disappointment. Top 6 finish will do. Anything better i will still class as a bonus. So nervous for that first corner. Have not been this nervous for a start of a GP in a long time.

:up:

Me neither, haven't been as nervous since Canada where Schumacher was second.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:28

So the reflexes came back it seems :drunk:

I always said he still got it,and what's great about it is that he's proof that we can see these younger guys for a loooong time.I was very happy by his performance.
'Ol man still got it'


You and me both :).

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:32

Even though the car has had good pace all weekend. I am still keeping my expectations lowish. Mainly to avoid any disappointment. Top 6 finish will do. Anything better i will still class as a bonus. So nervous for that first corner. Have not been this nervous for a start of a GP in a long time.


Same!

I might watch the first lap from behind a cushion. :D

Go Schumi!


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:33

"I already felt it during the first laps (at Silverstone). The nature of the car fits me better. I can feel it better, can place it how I want to.
You can see it with the steering movement. It´s about half as much as with last years car! The window where the balance switches is very small, that´s a good sign.
Finally I´m sitting in a real race car. You can trust its reactions. It gives you confidence."

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Although I'm quite satisfied with Michael's performans today, I am a little disappointed to read this statement. Driving the car which is not driveable has always been Michael's strong suit, hasn't he? In 1996, 1997, he drove those awful machines and won races. So, Michael was able to drive "a car that is not a real car", so it's a bit sad not to find that Michael.

Anyway, I'm hopeful about tomorrow. For the last two years, Michael lost out in Turn 1 as he chose to place his car on the outside. Now with 4th, he should stay inside, which hasn't been historically that problematic.

Fingers crossed :up:

Edited by ali.unal, 17 March 2012 - 16:35.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:33

If his Mercedes has a good race speed then I think a third place is possible.



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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:38

Great to see Schumi qualifying so well. :up:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:45

Although I'm quite satisfied with Michael's performans today, I am a little disappointed to read this statement. Driving the car which is not driveable has always been Michael's strong suit, hasn't he? In 1996, 1997, he drove those awful machines and won races. So, Michael was able to drive "a car that is not a real car", so it's a bit sad not to find that Michael.

Anyway, I'm hopeful about tomorrow. For the last two years, Michael lost out in Turn 1 as he chose to place his car on the outside. Now with 4th, he should stay inside, which hasn't been historically that problematic.

Fingers crossed :up:


Circumstances are different now. So I don't think we can really do comparisons like that.

E.g. now the cars has too much aerodynamic influence.

Edited by zyphro, 17 March 2012 - 16:46.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 16:57

Michael was a great through the first lap in 2011 because he was great with instant decisions going through the chaos. But there is not so much chaos at the front. I will be happy if Michael is still in the race after the first corner because you never know.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 17:43

If he continues to start like last season I expect to see him on the podium which would be nice.

#17571 SeanValen

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 17:58

Although I'm quite satisfied with Michael's performans today, I am a little disappointed to read this statement. Driving the car which is not driveable has always been Michael's strong suit, hasn't he? In 1996, 1997, he drove those awful machines and won races. So, Michael was able to drive "a car that is not a real car", so it's a bit sad not to find that Michael.

Anyway, I'm hopeful about tomorrow. For the last two years, Michael lost out in Turn 1 as he chose to place his car on the outside. Now with 4th, he should stay inside, which hasn't been historically that problematic.

Fingers crossed :up:



Michael has driven alot of cars, but the rules have changed so much, that mercedes interpretation of them in 2011 and 2010 was not only wrong/wrong route, it wasn't a ideal car to return too to relearn the sport and get competitive again, he retired and came back, that's no easy task.

He wasn't going to challenge for any wins in 2011, 2010, with the competition of 3 bigger teams, and the most competitive field of an era for sometime, the mercedes car was dissapointing, it was not like 1998, at least he just had 1 strong car to fight with-the mclaren with Mika mainely, now you got Alonso, Hamilton, Vettel etc and your older, and your car isn't anywhere near a win, of cource this years car is a step up, even if the mclaren was faster, or 1997, the driver input was more, on some tracks he could have the advantage, and the budget cap with limited testing meant mercedes could really go nowhere in 2010 and 2011, you have to start off strong, at least at ferrari, they could test, spend, and improve as the season went along, but now you must have a good car to start off with, or you pay the price.

it's very difficult to catch up, I wonder if Kimi will take time to get back into the game, it's hardwork.

Remember back in 2006, Schumacher said about retiring, "once your out, your out for good." Now he's back, it's his challenge. It's difficult catching up, but he's one of the few people who can make you think it's possible, but currently the only one until someone else does it in the future. The book is out for Kimi, and he's been away for 2 seasons, and is 10 years younger then Schumi, lets see how he goes.


Circumstances are different now. So I don't think we can really do comparisons like that.

E.g. now the cars has too much aerodynamic influence.


Budget/testing, playing catch up takes resources away from finding speed and helping drivers sort out/iron out issues. It helps to be in a team that is already structured well, but mercedes wasn't, and it was down on personnel, infact Schumacher menstioned we are small team back in 2010, ferrari did everything on Schumacher's arrival, listen, spend and do and try and try again. Mercedes late 2011 began to look like a team thinking about improvements, 2010 was a wasted year. Merc has been 1 year behind at least and just caught up a year.
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Edited by SeanValen, 17 March 2012 - 18:08.


#17572 ivand911

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:00

Although I'm quite satisfied with Michael's performans today, I am a little disappointed to read this statement. Driving the car which is not driveable has always been Michael's strong suit, hasn't he? In 1996, 1997, he drove those awful machines and won races. So, Michael was able to drive "a car that is not a real car", so it's a bit sad not to find that Michael.

Anyway, I'm hopeful about tomorrow. For the last two years, Michael lost out in Turn 1 as he chose to place his car on the outside. Now with 4th, he should stay inside, which hasn't been historically that problematic.

Fingers crossed :up:

1997 car was 1st or 2nd best car. 1996 car was 2nd or 3rd best car.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:03

Any onboards of Schumachers Quali or videos post quali interviews?
I can't seem to find any... :confused:

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:16

So the reflexes came back it seems :drunk:

I always said he still got it


There was never any doubt about it. He was extracting all the car had to offer. Now he has a car which offers significantly more.

I'm only praying that Grosjean doesn't get in his way at the start of the race.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:17

http://www.v8superca...56/default.aspx

Michael Schumacher Launches Scholarship


I can see it now, a future female GP winner driving for Ferrari or Mercedes, dedicates her win to the now very fit 51 year old Schumacher who presents the trophy, after returing from the brazilain karting event.

It'll be cool if one if the girls who do the scholarship end up competitive in the future.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:23

There was never any doubt about it. He was extracting all the car had to offer. Now he has a car which offers significantly more.

I'm only praying that Grosjean doesn't get in his way at the start of the race.




You know in 2010 he was quick in the fast corners on many tracks, but llosing odd time in slow corners, I think then I knew it would take 1 or 2 seasons, that with a work in progress mercedes team, it wasn't going to happen, but the expectations were strong then, still now, everyone has been waiting and waiting, because they know he's unique and box office when it comes good.


Whatever happens in the race, it's long season, and no driver I think is going to get it right every gp with the competition packed up.




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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:25

Any onboards of Schumachers Quali or videos post quali interviews?
I can't seem to find any... :confused:

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded


#17578 Pits

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 18:30

http://www.youtube.c...player_embedded


Thanks Ivan, but isn't this yesterday's FP?


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 19:06

Thanks Ivan, but isn't this yesterday's FP?

Yes ,it is from yesterday. I don't think there was on board video from today.


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Posted 17 March 2012 - 19:23

Yes ,it is from yesterday. I don't think there was on board video from today.

this http://bit.ly/FOupcT ? Looks clean only small understeer in the last corner.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 20:00

I said that because I think if they/he is so good here imagine what ha can do in tracks which suits him more;)

But I1m worried about Herbert.


Herbert talks a lot of rubbish, of course he has an axe to grinde for how he was destroyed at Benetton.

#17582 Pits

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 20:01

this http://bit.ly/FOupcT ? Looks clean only small understeer in the last corner.


TY, de car looks nice and stable!!
It's gonna be a great year for us merc fans! :cool:

#17583 PoliFanAthic

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 21:17

MSC said in his interview at RTL that while his starts last year were great, this is a different car and there is no reason to be certain that it will be the case again this year.

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 22:03

That onboard lap was very reminiscent of the old Mike :D.

#17585 Lelouch

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Posted 17 March 2012 - 22:28

That onboard lap was very reminiscent of the old Mike :D.

At last a lap in which the car doesn't need a thousand corrections.. Looked nice and clean apart from the last two corners imo, so there was room for improvement. As for tomorrow, i just want Michael to finish tbh. If the car has the potential we will celebrate sooner or later anyway. If it's tomorrow then even better.

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:36

In Las Vegas now, just put $90 on Schumacher winning ( $90 is all I had lol).

#17587 zyphro

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 01:55

In Las Vegas now, just put $90 on Schumacher winning ( $90 is all I had lol).

:D

#17588 ClubmanGT

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:26

My local betting agency doesn't offer options on F1 anymore. I would have had $20 on Schumi for sure.

#17589 cutchemist42

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:37

Schumi could easily have 1st within the first 4 corners.

#17590 Powersteer

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 02:53

In Las Vegas now, just put $90 on Schumacher winning ( $90 is all I had lol).

$100 on you having a baby with your avatar.

:cool:

#17591 SparkPlug

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:00

Although I am happy beyond measure that Schumacher is right up there, I fully expect the Red Bulls to storm through during the race.
Remember, the DRS advantage Mercedes have in qualifying for the length of the full lap, will not be present during the race.

I dont know, I would like to keep my expectations low and then get surprised !

#17592 ClubmanGT

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 03:56

I now have $20 on Schumacher at odds of 11:1. Rosberg looks like a good option at 25:1 if you're adventurous, but the smart money would go on Vettel at the moment, he's paying 10:1 and Webber is at 17:1!

#17593 Kubiccia

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 04:28

Good stuff today.We all know Rosberg would have been close or possibly ahead on a better lap, but for the first time in a while i think Schumacher had more in reserve aswell - so at the moment at least, the fears of him slipping further back due to a tighter field are gone.

haha. Schumacher beaten him by 3 and half tenths and you come here with this wonderland assumption?! Nico just had a little lock up into T3 and that's it, but Schumacher lap was far from perfect either. Schumi was very cautious on S3 and not using all track. Maybe he just wanted a secured good lap rather than go for the risk of a more aggressive one.

It was just the first qualifying so let's see if this becomes a trend but to low the expectations over Schumi a bit, he didn't have a great driving on Turns 11-12.

Schumi's performance was the only reason for me to smile today.And even if rosberg does a clean lap,I think the gap in quali wont be as big as last year anymore.

Don't delude yourself thinking that Schumacher started ahead because Nico had problems. Considering both could have done better times, I don't see how Nico would have outqualified Schumi yesterday.

He could've had a shot at pole, but they lost a significant amount of time in the final sector (both mercs).

I noticed that too. Schumi had a big oversteer in final corner
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From what I´ve seen he was very careful in S3 on the final run.
maybe 1-2 tenth were to get their but that´s just a guess.

:up:

So the reflexes came back it seems :drunk:

I always said he still got it,and what's great about it is that he's proof that we can see these younger guys for a loooong time.I was very happy by his performance.
'Ol man still got it'

The fact he beaten Nico doesn't mean he is the same again

#17594 DutchCruijff

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:18

Going easy on the tyres?

#17595 Diablobb81

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:21

Speechless. 3rd gear gone.

#17596 Richardc

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:21

Race ruined.

#17597 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:26

Game over :(

Hope for better next weekend.

#17598 ivand911

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 06:50

Michael has habit not to finish Australian GP.

#17599 SeanValen

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:06

3 dnfs in thel 3 last years at albert park.

20 race seasibm 19, long season.




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Posted 18 March 2012 - 07:14

The McLarens and RBRs are in a class of their own this year. Although MSC's pace issues might have been his gearbox issues developing over time.