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#17651 zelpre

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:40

I didn't 'answer you' for the simple reason that I can't. No-one can.


Since the dawn of time. Are you serious? Formula One-cars are not designed to run off-road, and when they do, they break down. All the time.



Everyone.


So you are saying when there's a problem on the car, it is because they run off-road? So an issue happens after the car goes off the road...Genius you are.

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#17652 Hacklerf

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:45

OK disappointing that DNF, but very encouraging for the rest of the season, finally a platform to build from rather than chasing the tails like the last two years, dont forget this time last year they were still trying to fix massive cooling issues, and the year before they had gone wrong with the wheelbase of the W01, now its about chasing performance, its a totally different world

Also, Malaysia, Michael is fast there, worth a bet for pole position for sure, the big straight will allow the W03 to stretch its legs.

Edited by Hacklerf, 18 March 2012 - 11:47.


#17653 Sakae

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 11:48

Life goes on. Next.

#17654 VresiBerba

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:04

You have no idea, but still you accuse MS that he lie. :rotfl: How smart.

Quote me saying that Shumi lie. Please. Do.

#17655 VresiBerba

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:11

So you are saying when there's a problem on the car, it is because they run off-road?

No, I'm saying (I'm actually reiterating, but I guess you can spell that) that when someone goes off, the car can take damage.

Genius you are.

If you saysing.

#17656 Massa_f1

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:14

If i take one positive away from this weekend. It is the fact that if Schumacher were in a McLaren or Red Bull i know he has what it takes to challenge for race wins. It will never be the case with Mercedes though, and anyone who thinks so is just wishful thinking.

#17657 z2z

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:14

The only good thing from the weekend, he seems to be comfortable and in control with the package.

Edited by z2z, 18 March 2012 - 12:15.


#17658 Sakae

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:16

I read the first sign of the problem begins (maybe a lap) earlier than he run-off from the track.

In post race interview Michael said that he his problems with gearbox began on the first lap (lost drive going into T1).

http://www.formula1....12/3/13123.html

Edited by Sakae, 18 March 2012 - 12:18.


#17659 i.am.cloned

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:18

The only good thing from the weekend, he seems to be comfortable and in control with the package.

Was really pleased to see how upbeat he was on pitlane after DNF. Hope it means this gearbox problem was one-off and he'll do better in coming races.

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#17660 Schumacher7

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:21

In post race interview Michael said that he his problems with gearbox began on the first lap (lost drive going into T1).

http://www.formula1....12/3/13123.html

I'm pretty sure he meant turn 1 on the lap he went off.

Edited by Schumacher7, 18 March 2012 - 12:24.


#17661 Sakae

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:23

I'm pretty sure he meant turn 1 on the lap he went of.

Could be, I am not sure.

#17662 BRK

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:23

This is what he said:

"MELBOURNE, SUNDAY – MICHAEL: “WE CAN NOW BUILD ON AND START IMPROVING FURTHER”
For Michael, losing drive going into turn one was an unfortunate end to his race: “I was trying different gears and occasionally the drive came back, but in the end, I had to go onto the grass to avoid the risk of the car being forced into a spin.

It was especially unfortunate as we have not had this problem during the winter tests and were very reliable.

This is why I am not concerned, as I know things like this happen in racing, and our reliability is not in question. I believe I could have had a good race this afternoon, and I can still take some positives out of the weekend as we have seen our car was confirming our feelings, and is definitely a clear step forward.

We can now build on that and start improving further.”

Not sure how many laps he had been doing that, juggling through the gears? Assuming that's a repost and has been clarified already, all I can see is a long series of 'you have chosen to ignore' message in bold so guess there's some hot trolling action going on.



#17663 Ruf

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:24

I'm pretty sure he meant turn 1 on the lap he went of.

Didn't he retire in turn 1?

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:25

This is what he said:

"MELBOURNE, SUNDAY – MICHAEL: “WE CAN NOW BUILD ON AND START IMPROVING FURTHER”
For Michael, losing drive going into turn one was an unfortunate end to his race: “I was trying different gears and occasionally the drive came back, but in the end, I had to go onto the grass to avoid the risk of the car being forced into a spin.

It was especially unfortunate as we have not had this problem during the winter tests and were very reliable.

This is why I am not concerned, as I know things like this happen in racing, and our reliability is not in question. I believe I could have had a good race this afternoon, and I can still take some positives out of the weekend as we have seen our car was confirming our feelings, and is definitely a clear step forward.

We can now build on that and start improving further.”

Not sure how many laps he had been doing that, juggling through the gears? Assuming that's a repost and has been clarified already, all I can see is a long series of 'you have chosen to ignore' message in bold so guess there's some hot trolling action going on.



Yeah sounds like the initial problem occured in T1, and he carried on juggling till he was forced to retire.

#17665 Schumacher7

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:26

Didn't he retire in turn 1?

Yeah, I assumed he meant he lost drive in turn 1 and that's why he retired there. I could be wrong of course, if it really was on the first lap then the car might be alright after all (Rosberg had an off day perhaps?)

#17666 Paa

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:27

This is what he said:
“I was trying different gears and occasionally the drive came back,


I think he means after he went off the track. He cruised slowly for a while before stopping and I assume this is when he tried different gears etc.


#17667 Ruf

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 12:30

Yeah, I assumed he meant he lost drive in turn 1 and that's why he retired there. I could be wrong of course, if it really was on the first lap then the car might be alright after all (Rosberg had an off day perhaps?)

I mean "but in the end, I had to go onto the grass to avoid the risk of the car being forced into a spin, which he did in lap 10, T1. He managed to nurse the car to the pit-lane afterall...

#17668 cheapracer

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 14:54

Since the dawn of time. Are you serious? Formula One-cars are not designed to run off-road, and when they do, they break down. All the time.



Wow, Vettle deserves drive of the year already then, 2nd place with an obviously broken gearbox after his off in T1

Hows the licence test going by the way, does your mum or dad go with you?

Anyway, shame today for MS, don't think the failure cost him a lot and hope Benz can get some feedback and cure the tyre wear issues.

Wasn't it fantastic to see them all sliding around and actually driving on the throttle again (powersliding the car) controlling the cars - and I mean all of them, this should be right up MS's alley which is hopeful for a better year.

#17669 zyphro

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 14:56

Wasn't it fantastic to see them all sliding around and actually driving on the throttle again (powersliding the car) controlling the cars - and I mean all of them, this should be right up MS's alley which is hopeful for a better year.

Amen to that :up: .

#17670 Jejking

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 15:19

okay slowly was probably a bit over the top, but if you can't recognise a difference between someone outbraking themselves and someone losing drive and aborting in mid corner when you see it (even though everyone else could recognise it) then you are going to, and do, look a bit daft.

Actually that Berbesa guy or whatever his name is, raised a reasonably good point. Doesn't this incident remind you of something else with cause and effect alongside each other? Hungary 2011, where MSC spun off and retired because the gearbox went up into smoke as well. That was one of the most vague retirements I've seen in this modern era, actually. What do you think, about the same story here? I suspect it might be.

#17671 zelpre

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 19:19

Michael in an Interview with German Sky: It is a pitty that we had the Gearbox problem, cause i would have loved to get my first podium for Mercedes today. Still the weekend has been very positive. Who would have thought last year that we would be up figthing with the Red Bulls.



#17672 zyphro

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 19:30

:up:

#17673 exmayol

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 19:39

While DNF is not fun overall pace / comfort is encouraging! Anywhere from 4th to 6th would have been very realistic today. So cool that Malaysia is just one week away! I am however concerned about RB comments about tires going off faster than they expected meaning in Sepang things might get even worse.

#17674 Ruf

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 19:47

Not necessarily, Albert Park is a street circuit, Sepang is not. I'm more worried about Montreal and Monaco, but I trust that by then they'll fix it!

#17675 Claudius

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 20:33


I wonder if VB will accept that explanation from MS or if he'll come up with other bright ideas.


#17676 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 21:04

MS suffered from a gearboxproblem today, of the Mercedes drivers he gets my vote today.

#17677 spacekid

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 22:01

Not sure what to make of this weekend. The quali was solid, and Michaels race was going pretty well until the problem. We don't know how well his tyres were holding up compared to Rosbergs, or how his race pace would have been. He was around a second a lap faster until the retirement.

Then again Nico is a strong driver and the Mercedes made him look slow. Or did he just have an off weekend? Then again Albert park is a street circuit, the car might have better race pace on other tracks. Then again then again...

Edited by spacekid, 18 March 2012 - 22:01.


#17678 VresiBerba

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 23:22

Wow, Vettle deserves drive of the year already then, 2nd place with an obviously broken gearbox after his off in T1

I thought you had me on ignore. Oy vey.


I mean "but in the end, I had to go onto the grass to avoid the risk of the car being forced into a spin, which he did in lap 10, T1. He managed to nurse the car to the pit-lane afterall...

I think* that Shumi meant after the fact.


*I'm pretty sure

#17679 VresiBerba

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Posted 18 March 2012 - 23:27

I wonder if VB will accept that explanation from MS or if he'll come up with other bright ideas.

I already said that I'm pretty much open minded about Shumi's retirement.
Do I take everything Shumi says as gospel? No, I don't.
Do I automatically think Shumi is lying? No, I don't.

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#17680 Igorr

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:42

Alguesuari said as well that Michael didnt try to turn in and didnt brake at all before thhe turn in and said why would he ran off intentionally off track unless he has a problem lol this was before the gearbox problem was reported which explains pretty much everything.

#17681 Igorr

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 00:49

haha it doesnt even matter anymore. If people feel better if Michael damaged the gears by himself with running off then let them believe. Nothing's gonna change in reality.

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:14

Obviously when you expect engine braking from a downshift and you don't get it the car is going to run wide in that situation.

#17683 RSNS

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 01:52

An interesting analysis of Schumacher's style, by one of the members (I could not find his name).
http://abulafiaf1.wo...ael-schumacher/


#17684 Jejking

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:33

Do I take everything Shumi says as gospel? No, I don't.
Do I automatically think Shumi is lying? No, I don't.

Well with several guys from the field stating stuff which isn't close to your explanation, I do think you automatically think Schumacher is lying.

Obviously when you expect engine braking from a downshift and you don't get it the car is going to run wide in that situation.

Engine braking was mentioned on Dutch TV yesterday as well. But wasn't F1 the case where the cars did not have EB at all and the driver is just only looking to select the perfect gear for acceleration out of the corner later on? I heard that one several times, hope to see one definitive answer.

@ above: was posted already before, the poster came to the boards too ;)

Edited by Jejking, 19 March 2012 - 08:34.


#17685 MCh000

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:42

...Engine braking was mentioned on Dutch TV yesterday as well. But wasn't F1 the case where the cars did not have EB at all and the driver is just only looking to select the perfect gear for acceleration out of the corner later on?...


Engine braking is something that simply exists when a driver lifts his foot off accelerator on gear. I think this also how drivers charge their KERS systems.

#17686 Jejking

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 08:59

Engine braking is something that simply exists when a driver lifts his foot off accelerator on gear. I think this also how drivers charge their KERS systems.

First thing is possible, aight. Anyone else?

Second statement can't be because KERS exists completely off brake energy :p

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:16

First thing is possible, aight. Anyone else?

Second statement can't be because KERS exists completely off brake energy :p


Both statements are correct. Lifting off the throttle will charge the KERS.

#17688 Hacklerf

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 09:44

Im putting a bet on Schumi pole in Malaysia

#17689 merschu

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 12:27

Interesting video of Schumi after the FP3 crash in Melbourne, he never leaves his car alone after a crash and goes straight back into the pitlane.


Edited by merschu, 19 March 2012 - 12:27.


#17690 holiday

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 19:13

Interesting video of Schumi after the FP3 crash in Melbourne, he never leaves his car alone after a crash and goes straight back into the pitlane.


5:56 is priceless! :lol:


#17691 Pits

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Posted 19 March 2012 - 20:12

Well It's clear that he didn't want them to take a picture of the buttom of the front wing.
Like rats, they await there chance to snap a picture. It's ashame he spinned because it confirmed the way the air-duct works and how it blows.

#17692 Tarzaan

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 08:56

Michael Schumacher Qualifyng 2012 Melbourne



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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:49

Found this on twitter: https://twitter.com/#!/ElenaSchu/status...0610432/photo/1

Michael had some fun after the Australian GP!

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Edited by merschu, 20 March 2012 - 09:50.


#17694 libano

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 09:52

Michael Schumacher Qualifyng 2012 Melbourne


i'm not an expert to tell whether that was good or not but it looked like it wasn't a perfect lap...

#17695 MCh000

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:19

Even if the car looked like easy and smooth to drive, but somehow the car was a bit floating in this video. The lack of downforce?

#17696 slideways

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 10:22

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Nice :up:

#17697 Sakae

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:13

In another thread a poster accused Schumacher of damaging his gearbox by going off track. In contrast, there is MS's explanation. What do we believe? I am with Michael on this issue. Is there any other independent judgement (or Merc confirmation) available about the incident?

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:24

You can see that when he went off, he didn't even try to recover. Obviously he knew something was wrong immediately.



#17699 sharo

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:32

In another thread a poster accused Schumacher of damaging his gearbox by going off track. In contrast, there is MS's explanation. What do we believe? I am with Michael on this issue. Is there any other independent judgement (or Merc confirmation) available about the incident?

I don't care about the opinion of armchair experts who most probably have no idea how a gearbox works.

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#17700 Sakae

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Posted 20 March 2012 - 13:38

You can see that when he went off, he didn't even try to recover. Obviously he knew something was wrong immediately.

In my understanding, based on post-race interviews, that he knew about his problems for some time. I am not sure on which lap it started, and it could go back all the way to lap 1. It sounded to me that anomaly was intermittent, yet at the end he feared car will go into a spin. I wish someone could explain this as vector diagrams step by step, because it's an interesting case, and as a fan I would like to understand technical aspects of it. Why would car want to go into a spin? Perhaps he could not downshift, and had too much torque and speed for that turn...