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#17851 Dan333SP

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:47

I still remember being amazed by Fisi missing his grid spot at that race... Every time I watch a highlight video from that era, the only thing I can think is how much I miss the sounds of V10s :(

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#17852 zyphro

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 15:54

Reminds me of a rather fun race at Sepang... (for a Ferrari/Schumi fan) :))

:up: :up:


#17853 Dan333SP

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:00

One thing I've been wondering after these last 2 qualifying sessions... Even us die hard MSC fans admit that he's lost a bit of absolute speed from his prime in '97-'04, although the exact difference is impossible to quantify. That said, he's now qualified 4th and 3rd, at .4 and .2 seconds away from pole, respectively, in the first 2 races. Would "prime" Michael have taken pole in each of these events? I'm thinking that he surely would have today because he excelled at Sepang (and had input into its design, if I recall), maybe not so much in Melbourne. Silly hypothetical exercise, no doubt, but I'd have to bet that he is at least 2 or 3 tenths off his best ever sort of performance, which interestingly is still good enough for the top 3! Amazing, and it goes to show what absolute dedication and training can do for human performance, even in the face of the inevitability of aging.

#17854 zyphro

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:02

One thing I've been wondering after these last 2 qualifying sessions... Even us die hard MSC fans admit that he's lost a bit of absolute speed from his prime in '97-'04, although the exact difference is impossible to quantify. That said, he's now qualified 4th and 3rd, at .4 and .2 seconds away from pole, respectively, in the first 2 races. Would "prime" Michael have taken pole in each of these events? I'm thinking that he surely would have today because he excelled at Sepang (and had input into its design, if I recall), maybe not so much in Melbourne. Silly hypothetical exercise, no doubt, but I'd have to bet that he is at least 2 or 3 tenths off his best ever sort of performance, which interestingly is still good enough for the top 3! Amazing, and it goes to show what absolute dedication and training can do for human performance, even in the face of the inevitability of aging.



He could've taken pole if he wanted to.

But as you know; he has to take care of his tyres, rather than punishing them and facing the consequences in the race.

Edited by zyphro, 24 March 2012 - 16:02.


#17855 SeanValen

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:03

Reminds me of a rather fun race at Sepang... (for a Ferrari/Schumi fan) :))


:up:

Amazing it's been like 10 years since then, and after Schumi won the 2000 title, some people thought he might retire. Over 10 years later, he retired and came back.
Amazing stuff. :smoking:

I still remember being amazed by Fisi missing his grid spot at that race... Every time I watch a highlight video from that era, the only thing I can think is how much I miss the sounds of V10s :(


F1 will forever change and remind us of different eras. 100 years from now, maybe racing on Mars with tracks filtered for oxygen airways for open cockpit racing. :smoking:



Old ancient chinese proverb "may you live in interesting times"








Anyhow regarding today, you can tell Schumi is glad to put the car up there in 3rd, but his mindset wasn't expecting it, once he's got a few results in the races behind his back, it's stilll early days, and he knows that and redbulls and ferrari's could easily be up there strong in the race, so the harder task is coming up.


#17856 Longtimefan

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:04

Over half a day to the race and already I'm nervous and jittery.

I don't expect Schumi to hold on to a podium slot through the race, RBR have the race pace on us, maybe even lotus, but I'm just hoping for reliability and no incidents for him, bring it home and pocket the points.

although that said, if he did get on the podium I would be thrilled to bits and probably grin like an idiot for the next two weeks.

Go Schumi!


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:12

One thing I've been wondering after these last 2 qualifying sessions... Even us die hard MSC fans admit that he's lost a bit of absolute speed from his prime in '97-'04, although the exact difference is impossible to quantify. That said, he's now qualified 4th and 3rd, at .4 and .2 seconds away from pole, respectively, in the first 2 races. Would "prime" Michael have taken pole in each of these events? I'm thinking that he surely would have today because he excelled at Sepang (and had input into its design, if I recall), maybe not so much in Melbourne. Silly hypothetical exercise, no doubt, but I'd have to bet that he is at least 2 or 3 tenths off his best ever sort of performance, which interestingly is still good enough for the top 3! Amazing, and it goes to show what absolute dedication and training can do for human performance, even in the face of the inevitability of aging.

I said much more than 2-3 tenths last year, but now he's got a car that suits him a bit better I might guess at nearer half a second. It stands to reason; the man is 43 years old, peaked (speedwise) 12-15 years ago, has been out of it for 3 years, had the bad neck injury, etc, so the idea of him losing much less than 4/5 tenths since those blistering laps of 94-2000 just doesn't hold water for me.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:30

AMuS says they discussed whether they might go out with prime tyres in Q3 but decided it´s better to use the options.
They are 0,4 sec faster on the Merc.

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:34

AMuS says they discussed whether they might go out with prime tyres in Q3 but decided it´s better to use the options.
They are 0,4 sec faster on the Merc.

Is this reliable? if so: :) :up:

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#17860 cheapracer

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:36

Terrific the genuine happiness/support between MS and Button.

Anyhow regarding today, you can tell Schumi is glad to put the car up there in 3rd, but his mindset wasn't expecting it,


I saw his face, 3rd wasn't good enough - I wonder if he knew he fluffed it somewhere and was kicking himself for it.

If it rains tomorrow... Might have a vintage performance from MSC :up: :up:


I wouldn't get too excited, a chassis that's hard on tyres and set-up is probably going to be a pig in the wet.


is Frans still here to tell us that Ross Brawn is holding Keke hostage in a shed near the North Pole in order to make Nico drive poorly in his sabotaged car?


Frans made a big mistake, he came in dribbling on about Joss the Loss's rant about Schumacher and half the forum let him have the last 10 years of his Schumacher bleating right back at him :lol:

#17861 BuzzingHornet

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 16:38

I'm hoping Button wins but if Schumacher wins instead i'll cheer just as loudly :)

Go and roll back the years MS.

#17862 lewymp4

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 17:17

Great too see Michael in the post qualifying interview, as one of the top 3 quailfiers, and maybe has taken out some of the starch in Rosberg's collar?

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 17:59

Eddie Irvine

But Michael Schumacher shouldn't be there in my opnion. End of. What's he doing there? I'm embarrassed for him. After the first year when he hadn't got up to speed it was obvious he had lost it. He's one of the greatest drivers there's ever been and he can't beat Rosberg! Don't get me wrong, Rosberg is a bloody good driver, but you can't say he's as good as Schumacher in his prime. Michael has to say he is selling an inferior product.

http://plus.autospor...beating-vettel/

Good old Eddie.

#17864 Ruf

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 18:02

Reminds me of a rather fun race at Sepang... (for a Ferrari/Schumi fan) :))

:up:
That's one of my favorites races ever!

PS: Bloody hell, those cars really were beautiful...

#17865 tommyhjortasen

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 18:08

If MS wins tomorrow I will be very glad. Years means nothing, almost.

#17866 KavB

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 18:18

Wow. I have to be honest, I thought Schumi's poor qualifying would hurt him if the Mercedes turned out to be a good car, but I'm glad I've been proven wrong! Two consecutive row 2 starts. I'm pretty surprised Rosberg hasn't got anywhere near him.

Here's hoping for a podium, or even better that 92nd win!

#17867 Ghostrider

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:02

Eddie Jordan, Niki Lauda and all the other bullshitters who have said that Schumi has nothing to do in F1 anymore have proved once again what idiots they are.

Schumi has never been a personal favourite of mine, but you have to give the guy credit. He had basically everything to lose coming back, but he did it out of passion and look at him drive now. Great stuff. :up: :up: :up:

Edited by Ghostrider, 24 March 2012 - 19:03.


#17868 TheBunk

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:09

Eddie Jordan, Niki Lauda and all the other bullshitters who have said that Schumi has nothing to do in F1 anymore have proved once again what idiots they are.

Schumi has never been a personal favourite of mine, but you have to give the guy credit. He had basically everything to lose coming back, but he did it out of passion and look at him drive now. Great stuff. :up: :up: :up:



It just shows how guys like EJ, Irvine, Mark Hughes, award winning F1 writer blablabla, are clueless idiots. In your face, gents.

#17869 carbonfibre

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:12

Things are looking very bright so far, im really happy Michael is showing that he still has the speed and proving people wrong in already writing him off saying he is too old etc etc. Let's hope he has a good race tomorrow and maybe even a podium with a bit of luck. :)

#17870 Lelouch

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:38

People shouldn't get ahead of themselves and remember that whatever you say or do may strike back at you one day. The situation may change in a few races, but who cares MS can still do his job better than most and i still get shivers when he is driving that's all i care about. We are mere fans anyway we can say all we want like "Schumi is on his way to 7 more titles" our opinions bear little to no credit especially outisde this forum. But many people were too harsh when criticizing MS and it rarely was constructive criticism. As for F1 journalists the nature of the sport and its fanbase allows them to write whatever they like about drivers, teams, cars etc without knowing anything cuz in fact nobody cares that much compared to other sports. Still apart from the excitement for MS' performance in these 2 qualifying session i have to say that it feels great to know that people like EJ have their mouths full of s**t lately. :-)

#17871 Kubiccia

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 19:56

It's why i like him, he is always professionnal.


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yep. Schumi is looking into Mclaren exhaust because he knows there is where Mercedes is lacking

Vettel did a very good time on hards to prove how strong RBR are. Lotus have excelent tire management, so a top 6 will be already a great result for the race because the car is not close to what it is in qualifying.

Edited by Kubiccia, 24 March 2012 - 19:57.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:02

As for F1 journalists the nature of the sport and its fanbase allows them to write whatever they like about drivers, teams, cars etc without knowing anything cuz in fact nobody cares that much compared to other sports.


Not really. Schumacher always was the whipping boy for the pompous part of the (british) motorsport press. They must have writen thousands of times he was past it, he would retire, hed never win anything beyond his Beneton days, that he has only 80% of his speed left.

Days like these taste all the more sweeter. :)

Seems this season he has a car that can mix it with the big boys and no doubt well see some epic racing from the 7 times world champion again. And exactly why he is the most succesful ever F1 driver.

Edited by TheBunk, 24 March 2012 - 20:09.


#17873 zyphro

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:06

yep. Schumi is looking into Mclaren exhaust because he knows there is where Mercedes is lacking

Vettel did a very good time on hards to prove how strong RBR are. Lotus have excelent tire management, so a top 6 will be already a great result for the race because the car is not close to what it is in qualifying.


Weren't you one of the people who totally wrote Schumacher off regarding quali?

Bet today felt like a nice slap in the face.

#17874 BRK

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:08

Let's wait until the race is done, though. :p

If it's run in mixed conditions, Michael will make the difference. :up:

Edited by BRK, 24 March 2012 - 20:09.


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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:12

Eddie Irvine

http://plus.autospor...beating-vettel/

Good old Eddie.

The guy is just a complete waste of time, the more you talk the less you think. He's just a wind up merchant that's all he strives for.

#17876 zyphro

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:14

The guy is just a complete waste of time, the more you talk the less you think. He's just a wind up merchant that's all he strives for.

I think we all lost a few braincells reading that bull crap.

#17877 Racing Dutchman

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 20:51

Can't help but wonder how he would have done in his prime, or could I? http://www.youtube.c...feature=related
 ;)

#17878 black magic

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 23:32

Not yet crystallised though is the almost certainty that a start lioke this will have him racing next year.

you can sense the hunger he still has and watching him no longer having to fight the car is just wonderful nostalgia. changing brake balances mid corner etc etc.life in the old dog yet

#17879 Sakae

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Posted 24 March 2012 - 23:37

There is a fight brewing on CA side. After today, sadly, I am not 100% sure that Mercedes will continue. I want them to stay, I want Michael to continue (I am selfish sod), but I would understand if they give a mid finger salute to FOM.

Edited by Sakae, 24 March 2012 - 23:49.


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#17880 zyphro

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 00:46

There is a fight brewing on CA side. After today, sadly, I am not 100% sure that Mercedes will continue. I want them to stay, I want Michael to continue (I am selfish sod), but I would understand if they give a mid finger salute to FOM.


I agree. Tis a disgrace!

#17881 Kubiccia

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:14

Weren't you one of the people who totally wrote Schumacher off regarding quali?

Bet today felt like a nice slap in the face.

yes. I think everybody thought Nico would keep upperhand in quali. I'm a huge Schumi fan, though, and therefore very very happy Schumi found a bit of his speed back ;)



#17882 404KF2

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:32

Good, I hope he finishes on the podium too.

#17883 gillesthegenius

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 03:47

Its good to see the old man doing well. All the best to him for today's race.

#17884 cheapracer

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:15

There is a fight brewing on CA side.


Ok, I confess to being an ignorant sod, what is "CA"?


#17885 exmayol

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 06:17

Ok, I confess to being an ignorant sod, what is "CA"?


O would think it is Concorde Agreement.

#17886 cheapracer

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:20

O would think it is Concorde Agreement.


Thanks :)


#17887 Wade

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:26

It's raining.

How do yall like Schumi's chances today with rain?

#17888 Richardc

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:47

Depends on how their set-up is for wet weather - surely they've thought it will rain at some point.

#17889 zyphro

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:52

Depends on how their set-up is for wet weather - surely they've thought it will rain at some point.


This is another myth.... there is very little difference nowadays.

#17890 zelpre

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:55

Let's do it! 5 minutes left

#17891 walkindude

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:55

How wonderful would it be to see the victory leap today

#17892 DutchCruijff

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 07:58

Mercedes will be in better shape for cooling & tyres and Schumi will be in better shape in rain.

#17893 Richardc

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:02

Ok, myth taken and noted. LETS GO THEN.

#17894 Massa_f1

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:06

Game over. I am fed up.

#17895 Ferrari_F1_fan_2001

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:07

damn!!!

#17896 Richardc

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:08

Let down.

#17897 DutchCruijff

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:09

That was bound to end in tears after his start

#17898 Tarzaan

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:09

*** Grosjean..

#17899 Richardc

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:10

I would have been slightly happier if it was a mistake by him, another ****ing tag puts him in a shit position.

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#17900 zyphro

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Posted 25 March 2012 - 08:11

Grosjean, you ****!